Moving on to the short prequel to the Iliad, today we discuss why Agamemnon is a terrible father. Infanticide isn't the ONLY reason, but it IS kind of a big one.
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@kradeiz5 жыл бұрын
"She proceeds to get murdered by Agamemnon. But hey, at least he looked sad while doing it." Thanos and Gamora, anyone?
@vanguardbreaker88264 жыл бұрын
kradeiz *he is speaking the language of the gods*
@tommyscott85114 жыл бұрын
Thanos really yeeted his daughter off a cliff to ice out his wrist lmao
@Silverwind874 жыл бұрын
@@tommyscott8511 Gotta respect the drip.
@tommyscott85114 жыл бұрын
@@Silverwind87 Oh mad respect the man/grape/nutsack hybrid.
@kradeiz4 жыл бұрын
Nichol Kola Him too.
@ryebread30397 жыл бұрын
So THAT'S why Agamemnon was killed by his wife and her boyfriend. Like he thought everything would just be cool after getting back home. lol
@alesinnocent7587 жыл бұрын
Rye dude probably should've saw that coming 😂
@nocturne20297 жыл бұрын
he was also a royal douche upon returning XD
@sabrinamcclain1627 жыл бұрын
In the play, Clytemnestra actually said something like, 'don't make me a bad woman' and when I read that I was like, "Well, she warned you."
@midnightsunflower34736 жыл бұрын
I thought it was his son that killed him... Or I might be confusing the myths..nevermind
@imdone4396 жыл бұрын
Persico Solangelo nah he killed his mother for revenge....don't see why, but whatever
@miamafalda11185 жыл бұрын
"I can't get married! What will I tell my hetero-life-mate Patroclus?" Literally Achilles summed up in one sentence.
@sugarcultist49324 жыл бұрын
One of the best bromances in ancient literature
@dylantennant65944 жыл бұрын
Yeah especially after the whole pretending to be a woman, getting a princess pregnant, only to be bailed by his boyfriend and Oddeyseus, Achilles probably would be tired of this crap if Iphigenia approached him. Also, fun fact, that kid grows up to be a fucking psychopath.
@a-rue-nima3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@fictional-girl_05 Жыл бұрын
Except he actually had a wife and then there was the whole Briseis situation... regardless of whether he and Patroclus were lovers, he liked women too.
@miamafalda1118 Жыл бұрын
@@fictional-girl_05 I know that lmao I was just making a joke about the video
@wrenmccreadie57767 жыл бұрын
Achilles, when confronted with a wife: "I can't get married, what will I tell my hetro-life-mate Patroclus??"
@Mayday4684 жыл бұрын
heh he doesn't even stop to question how he got sacked with marriage just that he can't go through with it
@lex-i82944 жыл бұрын
Hetero-life-mate. Totally..
@sugarcultist49324 жыл бұрын
Bromance at its finest
@krankarvolund77714 жыл бұрын
@@sugarcultist4932 The b is too much :p
@sugarcultist49324 жыл бұрын
Krankar Volund wdym?
@SandsBuisle7 жыл бұрын
In the version I'm familiar with, the reason they need to sacrifice her is because Agamemnon was in charge of making sacrifices to all the gods, but he forgot Artemis, who (being the goddess of virgins) demands his virgin daughter as a sacrifice (apparently the gods have ridiculous late fees). She is then super impressed by Iphigenia's courage and willingness to die for the, er, 'greater good' and snatches her up just before they kill her and tells them she'll let them just sacrifice a deer if Iphigenia becomes her priestess.
@MonkeyJedi995 жыл бұрын
I rather like the modern interpretation of sacrificing virgins. We called it dating. With benefits.
@jdatlas46683 жыл бұрын
“apparently the gods have ridiculous late fees“ - I‘m stealing that.
@camramaster2 жыл бұрын
@@jdatlas4668 same.
@Karak-_- Жыл бұрын
In version I read, the story continues when Orestes has to get a golden statue of Artemis, when he gets captures and is about to be sacrificed, but pristess's sword slips and she proclaims it as bad sign and postpone the sacrifice. After which she helps Orestess escape.
@puffedrice46246 жыл бұрын
"Hold on, hold on. Dying actually sounds super rad!" -Iphegenia
@handsoap33462 жыл бұрын
-me for no reason in the middle of 7th grade
@sterrearum64418 жыл бұрын
There is a version where Artemis regrets her demand of killing Iphigenia. Before Iphigenia is killed by the fire, Artemis puts a deer in her place and makes Iphigenia a priestess. Later on, her brother Orestes finds her somewhere on a mountain. I don't really know if that last thing is true, but I thought that that was the alternative ending.
@carlacolumna20467 жыл бұрын
It is. It's also the story that Goethe picked up and based "Iphigenie auf Tauris" on.
@GamesCourier7 жыл бұрын
yeah I needed to read that one in school. Would have helped to have read this story first
@akechijubeimitsuhide7 жыл бұрын
Oh right, Goethe... I only knew the opera version.
@piperhays86986 жыл бұрын
I remember reading a book like this but I can’t remember the name and it’s driving me crazy
@aliesterus1.0236 жыл бұрын
Greek gods, regretting things to have to do with mortals? Pretty sure if you look up the word "impossible", the entire Greek pantheon would be right there.
@SirConto6 жыл бұрын
In case you're wondering why Achilles is concerned about being beaten up: that's because his invlulnerability wasn't made up yet in the times of Homer and Euripides. The first one we know mentioning it is Statius in the first century AD. In any earlier works, Achilles should just be considered a really good soldier, but not 99% undestructable.
@corabranch2665 жыл бұрын
And by the time he is mostly invulnerable, Achilles probably has the most random weak spot ever. Is there even a reason why it is his heel?
@twistedtachyon58775 жыл бұрын
@@corabranch266 gotta be somewhere since his mom basically squished all his human frailty into one spot by dunking him in a magic river. So, he ends up weak in the spot she hung on to him by when dipping. Better an ankle than a wrist. Presumably, he couldn't be dunked 100% without falling apart putting on socks or whatever.
@zap4th3684 жыл бұрын
@@twistedtachyon5877 why not, idk, the armpit. or the inner elbow.
@darondax3 жыл бұрын
@@corabranch266 From what I remember in the myth surrounding Achilles’ indestructability (is that even a word? Is now..) is that when he was a baby his mother wanted him to be safe from all harm and was told that if she dipped him a special river (forgot the name) it would make him protected, or something like that. The river was very swift so she had to hold onto him or he’d be swept away and drown. So she grabbed him by the heel and dipped him in, so every part of him but the heel was magically protected because his mom wasn’t able to get that part of him in the river. That’s why his heel is his weak spot, and that’s why the tendon on the back of the leg stemming from the heel into the calf is called the Achilles tendon. Because if it gets damaged you’re screwed.
@alekssavic11543 жыл бұрын
@@corabranch266 It's because his mother (a nymph) didn't want him to die so dipped him in the River Styx, but had to hold him somewhere so the ankle she held him by was the only way he could be killed.
@floffy26954 жыл бұрын
"I can't get married! What will happen to my hetero life-mate Patroclus?!" is an actual sentence said by Achilles in the Illiad.
@Xman34washere2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@fictional-girl_05 Жыл бұрын
Except he actually had a wife and then there was the whole Briseis situation... regardless of whether he and Patroclus were lovers, he liked women too.
@michaelpatterson97257 жыл бұрын
The gods weren't allowing winds to blow because Agamemnon forgot to make the harvest sacrifice to Artemis. Which makes it really odd that the required sacrifice was a young maiden.
@z.b.64475 жыл бұрын
Actually, Agamemnon had killed Artemis' sacred deer, thus causing her wrath. That's why Artemis stopped the winds and that's why the sacrifice needed to be something dear to Agamemnon. According to another version of the story, Artemis saves Iphigenia at the last second, putting a deer in her place and making her priestess in one of her sacred temples.
@Lanoira134 жыл бұрын
Look, the gods didn't have tinder back in the day, Artemis was probably desperate.
@CJCruz-rf9vz4 жыл бұрын
@@Lanoira13 What do you mean?
@Lanoira134 жыл бұрын
@@CJCruz-rf9vz I'm making a joke that she wanted a girlfriend, so she demanded a "sacrifice".
@CJCruz-rf9vz4 жыл бұрын
@@Lanoira13 Oh okay. I suspected it but I wanted to make sure.
@DonPatrono5 жыл бұрын
"There's no wind so all of Greece's army is landlocked" Oarsmen on the greek ships: Am I a joke to you?
@samrevlej93314 жыл бұрын
Yeah, good luck rowing all the way across the Aegean Sea. They'd all be dead on their feet or literally dead by the time they got to Troy's shores.
@krankarvolund77714 жыл бұрын
@@samrevlej9331 I'm pretty sure that oarsmen on galleys and triremes are not there for fun :p Like according to modern reconstructions, the most likely way of propulsion of the triremes were with sails and oars in the same time, just oars would be just slower ^^ And also, they don't have to row all the way across, just to catch up the wind to... help them to go faster as they would continue rowing ^^'
@samrevlej93314 жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 I fail to see your point. Not being there for fun doesn't mean they were worked to death. These guys were citizens, not slaves. And even if the fastest way was rowing *and* sails, that's just in close combat, when you have to ram your ship into another one. Rowers couldn't manage the entire trip, sails had to be used at some point. And here, the idea with "no wind" is that there isn't a single breeze close enough that they can get to it just by rowing. It's a myth, not a weather-accurate historical account.
@krankarvolund77714 жыл бұрын
@@samrevlej9331 You know you can take pauses during your trip, right? ^^' Like you make them work 4 or 6 hours per day, you will still be closer from your goal ^^ As for full speed, from what I've found, Xenophon tell us that triremes could make 20km per day. And this speed can't be reached by sail only, judging by the trireme, nor by rowing only, so they probably used both at the time ^^ And yes, historians knew that oarsmens probably didn't worked all day and considered it in the calculations ^^
@samrevlej93314 жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 I think you're missing the point. This isn't a historical account, it's a myth. The damn point is, they can't take to the sea.
@jacobbarefoot84574 жыл бұрын
"Odysseus, the only smart guy in the greek army" This is Diomedes erasure and I will not stand for it
@HistoriaEtAl5 ай бұрын
"There are two braincells in the greek army, shared by odysseus and Diomedes"
@yujingyue26927 жыл бұрын
Hey it's not a two woman race! There's the woman Agamemnon abducted from her priest of Apollo father, the one Agamemnon stole from Archilles, the princess/prophetess Agamemnon brought home ....wait.... I'm sensing a trend here...
@albertschoise80914 жыл бұрын
Yujing Yue yeah he isn’t the best guy.... not like... Sisyphus levels of bad but.... yeah
@ilana37834 жыл бұрын
Alberts Choise Sisyphus isn’t that bad. Yeah he locked Thanatos in a trunk but it’s human nature to want to escape death. He was a bit of a dick as opposed to Agamemnon who’s a monster.
@tanyanikolaevagizdova65714 жыл бұрын
@@ilana3783 He also murdered all his guests.
@CJCroen13933 жыл бұрын
@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 And stole from them. Plus, even without that, we could always make the argument the reason he got punished so badly was because he _personally_ offended the three deities who were in control of his afterlife by trying to con them.
@randompatchofgrass50342 жыл бұрын
@@ilana3783 I honestly can’t remember if it was Sisyphus or not but I think there was one version of the myth where he tried to impress the gods by killing and cooking his son? I’m not sure if it was about Sisyphus or another person though
@MegaFafnir7 жыл бұрын
"Achilles gets RIGHTEOUSLY pissed" XD
@clydemarshall80958 жыл бұрын
When reading the Odyssey I didn't know about any of this. I have gone from despising Agamemnon's wife to cheering her on.
@nocturne20297 жыл бұрын
you'd love the Oresteia
@nocturne20297 жыл бұрын
you'd love the Oresteia
@QueenBoadicea7 жыл бұрын
This is one of those convoluted tales with a lot of backstory required to put it into perspective. When Helen was being put up for sale--I mean, offered in marriage--a lot of men showed up to win her hand. In order to avoid the inevitable bickering, rioting and bloodshed that would happen with a lot of armed men fighting for one girl, Odysseus the Clever proposed this solution: 1) The girl would choose her husband and right away (so there would be no suspicion of her father conferring with her beforehand in order to make the best choice, i.e., one suitable to him [rich, of royal or noble blood, e.g.]) and 2) that all the men pledge beforehand to come to the aid of the winner should he ever require it. Since every man thought he would be the lucky sod, they all readily agreed to these conditions. So when Menelaus lost Helen to Paris of Troy, he immediately called in his marker and demanded that all the losers--including his own brother--rally to aid him in retrieving his adulterous wife. That meant that Agamemnon had to help Menelaus, even to the extent of sacrificing his own daughter.
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht19577 жыл бұрын
Well, hang on to your όπλον, because Clytemnestra's story is far from over.
@ToonedMinecraft6 жыл бұрын
Sophia De Tricht I see you putting that Greek education to good use.
@bellsaretolling80978 жыл бұрын
An oracle telling the commander of an army he must kill his daughter so the gods will let him advance? Wow now I know where Game of Thrones got their inspiration from.
@l.tc.50327 жыл бұрын
It could have also come from the story of Jephtha's daughter.
@Areanyusernamesleft6 жыл бұрын
Except of course in Song of Fire and Ice/Game of Thrones, it's all for naught.
@DIEGhostfish6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but that's because the people running the show are hacks and needed SOMETHING to rip off once they ran out of book to copy.
@DIEGhostfish6 жыл бұрын
+Areanyusernamesleft It didn't HAPPEN in the books. The showwriters just REALLY hate Stannis.
@AmazingAutist6 жыл бұрын
L. T C. Yeah but this one came first
@inkypink7 жыл бұрын
When you've read The Song of Achilles
@fernettr3 жыл бұрын
If you’ve read Song Of Achilles, I definitely recommend “The Silence Of The Girls”
@NapaCat3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, Song of Achilles and Circe aren't accurate to greek mythology at ALL.
@thegalacticgalaxy20783 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t that just written like less than a decade ago?
@hpalmer28973 жыл бұрын
@@NapaCat To be fair, I don't think that mythological accuracy was the main aim of those books. Though, a little more of it would have been nice.
@Miles_Phantasmagoria3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it?
@rozhelleyu7 жыл бұрын
immediately liked this video right after you said "fuck this guy(Agamemnon)"
@Elizabeththegreatest7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, fuck Agamemnon!
@kaybruhhh31537 жыл бұрын
iAteYour Cupcakes ........RWBY..............
@TomSistermans7 жыл бұрын
Red gives Agamemnon a hard time though, sure, he's not the greatest Greek hero and he can be quite a dick, but he absolutely not the worst either. This whole war with Troy was eventually caused by an oath proposed by Odysseus, Agamemnon was in that way simply a man of his word, in the Illiad you see countless moments in which he shows to be an honourable person: he agrees for Menelaos and Paris to fight and would've ended the war right there and then if it wasn't for Aphrodite, he admits his wrongs to Achilles and does all he can to get him back...
@littlegoblinman96686 жыл бұрын
"Wait, what? I can't be getting married! What will I tell my hetero life mate Patroclus!" THIS IS WHY PATROCHILLES IS MY OTP!!!
@mollycampbell16566 жыл бұрын
DiamondCat64 ikr.
@katherineplumber60725 жыл бұрын
DiamondCat64 You would love The Song of Achilles. It's essentially a fanfic based on the Illiad and other myths about Patroclus and Achilles told from the perspective where Achilles and Patroclus were in a relationship. It's very sad, but sooooooo good.
@merrittanimation77215 жыл бұрын
Patrochilles: A ship so good even Plato supported it.
@1224chrisng4 жыл бұрын
@@merrittanimation7721 but Achilles is obviously bottom and Plato said he's top so really Alexander The Kinda Ok got it right
@inkchip73514 жыл бұрын
I've always called it patchilles
@tsukiraaquarius87467 жыл бұрын
"Sailing for adventure in the wine-dark, wet thing."
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht19577 жыл бұрын
Imagine my surprise when I learned that that whole "wine dark" thing is literally, *LITERALLY* because the Greek language didn't come with a word for the color blue which is on their flag. What an awesome language. Like, I'm not being sarcastic, I really love the Greek language. Generally a pain in the ass to learn from English, but there's a lot of overlap with the vocabulary, considering how most of our technical words, words for basically anything that grows, shits, and/or dies; and words for anything that moves over time have their roots in Greek. Not the most complicated language I've ever learned, though. That distinction is split between Tibetan and Mohawk. MAN, they're complicated...
@j.r.miller18736 жыл бұрын
YES!
@ExtraOni5 жыл бұрын
"Nothing could convince a father to murder his daughter...." Nothing but the infinity stones.
@gozerthegozarian95003 жыл бұрын
* points finger * I understood that reference!
@suebursztynski2530 Жыл бұрын
I saw that film many years ago. It was sooo sad, someone behind me in the cinema burst into tears during Iphigenia’s speech and had to leave the cinema. Achilles, moved, says he wishes it was real because he would love to make such a brave girl his wife.
@levongevorgyan67897 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but Agammenon swore two vows. One to his brother, to defend his marriage with Helen. And another with the Artemis, to give her his most precious possession for dishonoring her. The Greeks were BIG on the whole vows thing. So he pretty much HAD to kill his daughter. Like you say, you can't piss off the gods.
@williamcollum47487 жыл бұрын
Levon Gevorgyan also I don't know if this helps but my college professor had us read the Odyssey in one class and in the other he gave a summary of this while we read Agamemnon. He explained the importance of hospitality between guest and host. The suitors violated this through out the Odyssey. Paris kidnapped Helen as a guest of Agamemnon. This was a slap to the face for Agamemnon and he had to rectify that. Not going would be an insult to Zeus, and you don't want Zeus mad at you. So I don't see Agamemnon as jerk in this case but as someone stuck between two bad choices. Can't really judge off the Iliad cause I haven't read it.
@StergiosMekras4 жыл бұрын
@@williamcollum4748 Agamnenon was a jerk later on, but not in this instance.
@horseenthusiast12506 жыл бұрын
One time I got to play Iphigenia in a middle school play (where I was one of three actors who actually liked being there), and I got a really beautiful and comfy costume. I got to be the Priestess version of Iphigenia, and I was also holding an antler and a small jug of grape juice (it was supposed to be blood) the whole time. Anyway I dropped the jug during one of my rehearsals and while the jug was fine I stained some guy’s white Jordans and I felt bad but it was incredibly funny bc he played Orestes and he had supposedly just climbed a mountain and once he reached the peak there was a girl holding an antler who threw blood at him
@BJGvideos2 жыл бұрын
I know this is a super old post but wouldn't cranberry juice have made for better fake blood than grape juice?
@thepoorsquire92943 жыл бұрын
Per the epic cycle: Agamemnon murdered a pretty deer in a sacred grove watched over personally by Artemis. So now Artemis demands the king to sacrifice his own daughter. The fake wedding thing is supported by multiple sources and utilized by Euripedes for the play. Apparently, according to some other sources, Achilles didn't know the wedding was happening until the last minute. Some say Achilles burst in to save her, some say Artemis swapped her out with an animal. There's plenty of versions of this story. Personally I prefer the one where she is saved by Artemis, since her supposed death is what triggers the whole "kill Agamemnon" plot by the dude's entire family.
@nicoslvt67684 жыл бұрын
Bruh my teacher told us Patroclus was a hollies cousin because “there’s only two things Achilles loves, his cousin and himself” but it makes so much more sense that they were homie sexual
@BJGvideos2 жыл бұрын
To be fair that wouldn't exactly rule anything else out with these stories.
@TheITinFIT8 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your choice of song for the ending, bravo! XD
@TheITinFIT8 жыл бұрын
And yes it was a part of my childhood too
@zeitgeistindustries17928 жыл бұрын
What was it called?
@TheITinFIT8 жыл бұрын
"Sailing for Adventure" from Muppet Treasure Island.
@B2WM3 жыл бұрын
I can't say how much it makes me giggle to hear it as "BUT THIS AIN'T NO DISNEY" comes up in the end text.
@jfw0913 жыл бұрын
I still hold Muppet Treasure Island as one of my favorite movies. ""Take a cruise," you said. "See the world," you said. Now here we are, stuck on the front of this stupid ship" "Well, it could be worse. We could be stuck in the audience." --Statler and Waldorf My first fourth wall break and a joke I have never forgotten
@craxnor5 жыл бұрын
Achilles: what are you guys doing? Soldiers: if you won’t let us kill Agamemnons daughter then we’re going to beat you up! Achilles: yeah let’s see how well that goes.
@teamcybr83756 жыл бұрын
It's so trippy watching the videos from before Red started sketching everything.
@SSVCloud5 жыл бұрын
I got the BIGGEST grin on my face as soon as I heard "Sailing for Adventure." I love this channel.
@blindedink41087 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, I love the thought of a bunch of guys singing that song on the way to the fustercluck that is troy.
@BlackEpyon4 жыл бұрын
It fits so well with the absurdity of it all!
@sofialozano246015 жыл бұрын
I know this came out like four years ago but the Muppet Treasure Island song at the end still makes me happy
@TJForceIX5 жыл бұрын
Achilles being invulnerable is a much later story than the Homeric works, so it's super inconsistent how much damage he can take in different stories.
@colorjojo57 жыл бұрын
We read a part of Iphigeneia in Greek some weeks ago, her monologue to try and convince her father NOT to kill her namely, pulling her mother and youngest brother into the monologue right before resigning to her fate. Quite moving and beautiful I must say. Awesome video :D
@60sSam5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, sailing for Trojan adventures on the "big blue wet thing."
@aufishsd14453 жыл бұрын
Achilles: *shows up* Me: "Oh look, it's your sexually ambiguous angry little friend..."
@nepenthe95005 жыл бұрын
Over three years late to this party, but I've just recently subscribed and have been going back and watching all the videos. One thing I absolutely adore about this channel is Red's selections for outro music, especially her covers, but holy crap this one is special. So much nostalgia. Great video. Great song. Kudos.
@madness88974 жыл бұрын
Okay, that ending got me to burst out in laughing. Now imagining the greek hero's as their muppet counterparts. I wonder who would be ajax mayor and who the lesser
@jean-paulaudette92463 жыл бұрын
Major: I forget his name, the big brown giant monster. Lesser: Rizzo. Menelaus: Link Hogthrob
@carthienesdevilsadvocatenr28062 жыл бұрын
"Sailing for adventure on the big blue wet thing" was the perfect ending to this! Now I want to see a cinematic version that actually ends with the Greeks sailing off into the sunset singing that song!
@alienz86415 жыл бұрын
2:36 CALVIN AND HOBBES!!! edit: great choice! the comic is very philosophical.
@drakan47693 жыл бұрын
"there's an alternate ending where he kills a deer instead" wait a minute, a deity demands you sacrifice your child but then it's enough to sacrifice an animal? where have I heard that story before?
@chrisobrien58898 жыл бұрын
I was hoping the Orestia would have been summarized by now. :( Although I might be biased due to my upcoming exam on it. Anyway, love your work on the Iliad, it was a lovely useful study break and quite helpful. Keep up the amazing work.
@matt8291A14 жыл бұрын
The song choice at the end made me spit my tea clear across the room, so thanks for that Red.
@MunchKING3 жыл бұрын
3:45 Just because he can't DIE from it doesn't mean it's not REALLY ANNOYING to get constantly beat up by a bunch of big strong dudes. :p
@jean-paulaudette92463 жыл бұрын
OW! Quit it. OW! Quit it. OW! Quit it.
@fanta38536 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that the whole Helen thing was started by one goddess getting three other goddesses to fight, so she really takes home, like, fifth place at best.
@Loremastrful6 жыл бұрын
I think of Aggie as a mob boss like Tony Soprano. The Troy business was never about helping his brother but commanding all these Greek city-states as close to a high king as you can get.
@marshal89277 жыл бұрын
Hearing "invade Troy" makes me laugh bc my name is Troy
@ArcanineEspeon5 жыл бұрын
A LIKELY story, MAX. *visible suspicion*
@ignacejespers82015 жыл бұрын
better prepare yo anus, boy
@saltyjade85805 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha
@rawovunlapin82014 жыл бұрын
Sure it is, *_Mars..._*
@bexxrec25556 жыл бұрын
0:05 Omg, my thoughts on Agamemnon exactly!
@NarfoOnTheNet7 жыл бұрын
Just imagine: The Muppets Iliad
@Darkrunn7 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, Muppet Treasure Island? Woooooow, what a blast from the past that is. Definitely one of my favorite versions of that classic story. Hey ho, we'll go, anywhere the wind is blowing....
@jennisangel45376 жыл бұрын
I love listening to your videos while I draw. They’re so interesting and make stories that I’m too lazy to read sound more interesting to me
@reverendmothercheryl22766 жыл бұрын
Now I can’t get that song out of my head! Damn you Agamemnon!!
@dragatus7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this inspired the whole Stannis burning Shireen thing from GoT.
@l.tc.50327 жыл бұрын
or earlier The biblical story of Jephthah's daughter, not a carbon copy but a similar story resulting in a father killing a daughter.
@luckiller0197 жыл бұрын
yeah, kind of shame that D(um)nD(umer) left out the part from the book where Stannis left Shireen with his crazy ass wife and Red woman in the Black castle. But hey, Goth reached (bad) fanfic level of ASOIAF long before 5th season and because GRUMM will never finished the books Jon Sue still lays cold dead in snow, Kelly C is stuck in the middle of Dothraki see with cholera and Stannis is on way to pull a tactical genious that would make CREEED proud
yay, now I can watch a story where a person with my name exists.
@durnsidh64835 жыл бұрын
Right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5zTeJufq81ja80
@StergiosMekras4 жыл бұрын
The alternative ending is far from a Disney one. Hint: she is part of Orestes' story following the murder of their mother. Also, as the leader of the army, Agamemnon had no choice but to make the sacrifice. As for why he was there in the first place (aside from the loot), all rulers in Greece had taken an oath to aid each other if the need arose ...and with Paris eloping with Helen, it did. Oaths were serious business in ancient Greece.
@arcanelore37912 жыл бұрын
Red: "This ain't a Disney movie!" Also Red: * plays Muppets music *
@Klishar1225 жыл бұрын
Can't like this video enough for the song chic at the end. Now I have something new to listen to during my break.
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht19576 жыл бұрын
I feel like the whole "the wind won't blow until you kill Iphegenia" thing was supposed to be something that doesn't happen. Like a last ditch attempt to prevent a war that would *for sure* drag most of Olympus into it, when they have other self-absorbed things to do, like rape humans and be an eternal tormentor to the offspring of said rape and cheat on each other (Aphrodite). I can see Zeus with furrowed brow buried in hand grumbling "You people are insane. You're making *ME* act like an adult. Fine! The winds won't blow until you kill your own daughter. ... sigh. You guys are just... SET on doing this, aren't you? Okay, whatever."
@citrinedragonfly3 жыл бұрын
Seeing all the clips from the Iphegenia movie made me remember how much I love it. Gotta track down a copy now!
@vulquinnxix57602 жыл бұрын
Why do I find it charming that I can hear Red hit their mic, also that the quality has extremely bumped over like 7-8 years
@kadinuzzell81475 жыл бұрын
For a project I did in my second year of my acting degree (currently in third year) we actually used Iphigenia with a few other stories to devise a story about parents and children. I played the messenger whilst my fellow actor was Iphigenia. I really loved learning all about the story and I wish I found this video and your other videos sooner, it would have helped so much! Regardless I love your content! Also fuck Agamemnon, what a dick
@anastasiarivera30633 жыл бұрын
Whenever Agammemnon is mentioned, I hear Jean Ralphio's voice going, "He's the 🎶 wooOOOooorst 🎶"
@MGDrzyzga4 жыл бұрын
You're not alone in that Muppets' song being a key part of your childhood.
@blanketsquares76072 жыл бұрын
I read about this in a horrible histories book when I was like 8. It was a diary from the mother's perspective, it was mildly traumatizing
@bluebini2793 жыл бұрын
I just have to say even tho your old videos don’t have your drawings it’s still good and fun to watch
@SensaiRyu5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent production I love this song as well and the fact that you play a Muppets song at the end of this is so delicious. I want to be your best friend.
@martalis74527 жыл бұрын
I love your soundtracks and thank you for being so awsome
@maddie96027 жыл бұрын
So, to summarize the whole saga of these characters, Paris made the mistake of getting involved in a spat between gods (apparently having never read ANY Greek mythology, which demonstrates again and again that this is a TERRIBLE idea), kidnaps (or woos) Helen, who was married to Menelaus, so he gets his brother Agammenon to round up a bunch of Greeks to murder the entire city of Troy. But the gods won't let them go murder Troy until Agammenon murders his daughter, which he does. So they go off to Troy, where they all behave like a bunch of divas, a bunch of dramatic stuff happens, a lot of people end up dying for stupid reasons, and then, Troy being sufficiently murdered, everyone goes home. Agammenon gets murdered by his wife for murdering their daughter, then their son murders his mother for murdering his father, thus continuing the cycle of violence until there's no one left to murder. Meanwhile, Odysseus pissed off the gods, gets a lot of his crew murdered (and does a fair bit of murdering himself), until he gets to murder all the people who were being dicks to his wife, and lives happily ever after. Meanwhile meanwhile, Aeneas has his own murder-filled adventures, murders his own city's worth of people, founds the Latin states, and lives happily ever after. The whole saga is just full of people making bad decisions and getting killed. At least its better than Jason, who got randomly murdered by his own ship years after his adventures ended, for no apparent reason -- seriously, what was the point of including that last tidbit? Why couldn't they just leave it at "he lived happily ever after?"
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht19577 жыл бұрын
"Kidnaps (or woos)..." The distinction is blurry in that time... :D
@corabranch2665 жыл бұрын
Greek Mythology in a nutshell.
@bayleaf24214 жыл бұрын
Jason just sleeping under his boat: Prow: Aight Imma head out now-
@lucarerystargaryen80377 жыл бұрын
" well you take the silver medal in second race so yeah" I honestly laughed really hard
@alainadunaway89547 жыл бұрын
*Muppets begins playing* me: WHEN THE COURSE IS LAID AND ANCHOR'S WEIGHED A SAILORS BLOOD BEGINS RACING!
@CJCroen13933 жыл бұрын
I just love Red's undying hatred of Agamemnon so much you guys.
@laurenlydick73684 ай бұрын
The muppet treasure island song as the outro fkn killed me, y'all are the best ☠️
@johnfoelster5076 жыл бұрын
The fact that "Muppet Treasure Island" was your childhood (and not "The Muppets Take Manhattan") makes me feel very, very old. I think I'm going to go out on the porch and yell at some kids to get off my lawn now...
@marygrace36656 жыл бұрын
I GOT SO HYPE AS SOON AS THE END SONG STARTED PLAYING GOD I LOVE YOU
@riannelynn1107 жыл бұрын
This was always my favorite myth for some reason as a kid... I put it on a poster for a school project I'm so glad that this lesser known myth got a video~!
@JamieBliss5 жыл бұрын
Now I want muppet treassure island with a cast of ancient greek heroes and warriors. Thanks for that.
@tobigrantlbart Жыл бұрын
We read the Euripides' Ipheginia in my german class so to have context for Goethe's "Iphigenia in Tauris" (and something to compare it too) because a lot of german writers of that time period were inspired by greek epics going against the pre-existing styles of german literature and all. And honest I was aw struck by both texts. It was this one special time I had to read something for class and loved it. Honestly to be true. My german teacher got me to read a lot of cool books and texts that I am glad to have experienced.
@tvccreator_elysius5 жыл бұрын
The song at the end made me want to go watch Muppet Treasure Island again just for Tim Curry and the Muppets.
@janebrinley4574 жыл бұрын
legitimately the best choice of a closing song I cannot even tell you.
@oliverwakelin35677 жыл бұрын
Hi - I just wanted to say thank you for these videos! They are amazing!
@thoughtsofanobody8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Just one correction though. The winds where actually blowing too hard for them to sail. But since the movie was filmed more or less on the actual meeting place of the Greek forces the director just went with the idea of no wind because the wind wasn't blowing at the time. Just think about it, those boats have oars. If there is no wind why not row??
@TigerheartFire8 жыл бұрын
I have a small question. About the ending with Iphigenia getting sacrificed, I've actually heard the orginal myths as Artemis saving her right before she was stabbed and replacing her with a deer. The only reason I actually believe the sort of happy ending version is because of another one of Euripides' plays, "Iphigenia at Tauris." She is shown to be a priestess of Artemis there and helps Orestes escape from the island.
@AwayCassius8 жыл бұрын
Euripides version of events (her survival at the end of Iphigenia at Aulis and her rescue in Iphigenia at Tauris) are based on a variation of the myth, however the most popular version is that she was sacrificed in Aulis. I do like Euripides' variation, though - it adds that sweet, sweet tragic irony to the fact that Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon for her murder.
@lilly-b8746 жыл бұрын
a smart person...
@paulwagner6886 жыл бұрын
Euripides, I sew-a-dese
@corabranch2665 жыл бұрын
It could have been that the winds were blowing too hard, or the people there were just idiots.
@iamkocka64575 жыл бұрын
"But at least he looked sad while doing it."
@StephenRansom477 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE BRILLIANT. ... continue making the world a better place. (still wiping tears of laughter) thx.
@AnaxErik4ever7 жыл бұрын
Yay for Sailing for Adventure at the end. Got to love Muppet Treasure Island. Gods, haven't had this much drama since Antigone and the Oedipus Cycle, which I see you covered the second play from.
@camramaster2 жыл бұрын
*clip of entire audience facepalming at Agamemnon. Also, best opening ever.
@jaydarichmond88784 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how she opens the video🤣
@hades25969 жыл бұрын
The song at the end was perfect.
@petermendez76546 жыл бұрын
OSP Blue BLUE SENPAI
@Carrionangel89114 жыл бұрын
Omg..🤣🤣 Love the nod to Muppets Treasure Island there!!! The friggin’ best!! 😂😂😂🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@WraythSkitzofrenik4 жыл бұрын
Yes, a priestess of Artemis, who Agamemnon offended in the first place by killing one of her deer.
@roy117007 жыл бұрын
i just found your guys is videos and i love them. but this one takes the cake the muppets at the end i have been laughing for 10 mins now. great work guys!
@PurrloinQueen6 жыл бұрын
“FXXK THIS GUY!” I love this dude
@kimiphillips80345 жыл бұрын
Ah, "Muppets' Treasure Island". Red and Blue have nice tastes in movies.
@xxxnatxcutexxx9 жыл бұрын
I thought that the reason he killed his daughter was because the Greek Goddess Artemis overheard him bragging about a deer he killed and how he did better that she would have done, and so she stopped the winds in revenge, and he was told sacrificing her would be the only way to make the wind blow again? I saw Electra a few months ago, and I think that's what they said? Love your videos BTW (especially Shakespeare! You gonna do Henry V or the Taming of the Shrew anytime soon?)
@shawnjavery7 жыл бұрын
It differs depending on the version of the story. In the original, she is sacrificed, but as the times progressed in Greece the idea that a goddess would request a human sacrifice, specifically Artemis, became repugnant so instead of her dying it become her magically transported away. This was the case in the classical age, that is to say, Athena's golden age, which was when the plays were written. Keep in mind that at the time Agamemnon was supposed to be a sympathetic character, so far as the play went, so this change would have justified his greatly, also would be more suited for a play as her being alive could serve as a great climax in the Orestia.
@ArcanineEspeon5 жыл бұрын
xxxnatxcutexxx Actually I'm pretty sure that's exactly why it happened.
@SingingSealRiana4 жыл бұрын
He killed a white dear that belonged to her.
@bps725547 жыл бұрын
I know it's been a long time but maybe we'll get to see Oresteia? :)
@ArgieGrit7 жыл бұрын
"long time"
@JimBob42333 жыл бұрын
First time I read this story it ended with Artemis saving Iphigenia and taking her off to become a huntress and all the gods who'd been blocked the wind decided that Agamemnon passed on method marks.
@cinebst7 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel yesterday and I've been making way up from the beginning. I just _had_ to mention how great it was that you used that song from Muppet Treasure Island. God, I haven't seen that movie in a decade.
@Ordog-pc6nw3 жыл бұрын
And someone has to make an animation of all the Greek hero’s singing this on there boats
@pdxcorgidad4 жыл бұрын
This. Is. Amazing. Thank you. It's also the first real example of martyrdom.
@slotcarpalace4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful summation of Oedipus, I bought the Tom lehrer "An Evening wasted with ... back in high school 1972.