Overrated bands/albums worth complaining about!

[@123slowdown]

I hope this comment goes unnoticed for the better part, I don't want too many people to take this to heart, but it's nice to see people talking about the music, not just showing their collection. People work hard for it right? I like the fact more that you're actually saying what you think, cheers fella.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks for watching Huw. Where have you been? But I agree.... this is a different way to show off a collection, while offering up a pint of discussion. Going to try to do more of this in the future, though collection update vids are cheap and easy! Take care mate!

[@brainsmasher666]

I think a lot of what I love about Death Shall Rise is how much it doesnt try to charm you. Its just straight forward late thrash / proto death. No frills, but I love the shout along choruses and the mid paced headbangs it has to offer. I know I'm not going to change your mind about it, but it kind of appeals to me the way Time does Not Heal does.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I've tried every year since it was released to find something redeemable about it. "doesnt try to charm you"? Mission accomplished! Haha. That band always struck me as the awkward interloper between the thrash and death worlds as you mentioned, but their laid back and typical songwriting style left little to be desired. To me anyway!!

[@giantproof]

Glad to see Massacre. I've been saying that for years, and getting a lot of crap for it, but you're absolutely correct. Would love to see what your thoughts are regarding underrated albums and bands, especially from the 80s and 90s. Either because they got buried (e.g. Sorcery from Sweden) or people just like to bash it because it's kewl (e.g. Covenant - Nexus Polaris). Or maybe a thought piece about certain trends within metal, specifically bm, since there are so many and you run a label geared towards a very specific taste. Love these thoughts and opinions/perspectives.

[@relinquishh]

Actually surprised about Clandestine, everything else I either agree with or understand why you think the way you do. Clandestine reminds me a lot of Carnage - Dark Recollections, and that's why I like it.

[@BadBlueBoysBorovje]

right? I could understand every choice (even Scar Sighted), but Clandestine...wow

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Can agree with a lot that you said, I love Kreator's Coma of Souls, maybe it's not on par with previous albums but not bad at all, still a very strong album. Cheers!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I still "like" the album, but it's following up a monster release in their career and honestly, Coma just sounds a bit burnt out. Thanks for watching!

[@Opetheric]

coma of souls is great! listen to it on vinyl!!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I don't "hate" the album, but after Extreme Aggression, it is a total snoozefest.

[@mazeoftorment805]

in your opinion

[@who0icu812]

Vinyl? Why would I want vinyl

[@wolfstar675]

Kim Linton Because people buy vinyls maybe?

[@wilfordgrimley4339]

Kurt Walsh the depth of sound isn't needed to appreciate the album. The vinyl should be reserved for those who appreciated what kreator was doing in the early 90s

[@claytonbjork5687]

Good work Worm,I don't agree with all of them,but that's the idea with opinions-the world would be a boring place if we all agreed...still an interesting video though,keep it up

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Exactly! Everyone hears the same piece of music differently. However, this video has shown me in the comments section just how passionate folks can be over others opinions. It’s all good though! Thanks for watching.

[@samd1569]

i agree Marty. Especially what you said about Coma of Souls. Cheers from Australia

[@shellacSOUP58]

I was really nervous to watch this (I'm a little late for a reason, haha), but I found myself screaming "YES!" at many of your picks. Watain, "Coma of Souls", "Clandestine" - completely agree. It's like I'm not hearing the same things folks are talking about. But I really love "Heartwork" and Jef's catalogue, so to each their own!

[@ColdLights]

Thank fuck someone said it about Leviathan. I respect the creativity and passion that goes into the music, but I just don’t understand the hype behind it. May I add Anthrax as being one of the most overrated bands in metal as well.

[@abark]

I was wondering what you thought of the 2nd time you heard Coma Of Souls(Carcass-- Heartwork) and then you answered!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I always wondered if that was intentional, or a subconscious “borrowing” of that riff. Always bugged me. Thanks for watching!

[@abark]

@@HeavyMetallurgy there is an interview where Michael Amott claims he had no idea why people were singing People of the Lie when they would play Heartwork. Yeah yeah!

[@BillHansenTheMetalEvangelist]

Barney Greenway didn't sing on Transcend the Rubicon, Dave Ingram did. =)

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Bill Hansen absolutely. I meant to say that I never fully liked That band other than transcend the Rubicon and that Barney came from that band and was one of the reasons why they never fully clicked on the early output with him on it. Dave Ingrahm is the singer for Transcend. I mashed everything together.

[@death0023]

Unbelievable! you're messing with many albums that I consider top notch. Fuck! I need to subscribe to your channel right now.

[@gonk4509]

death0023 Oh No, I different opinion, I need to unsubscribe!

[@sugardaddydavid7749]

I'm Interest Learning New Bands I Love Your Video!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks for watching!

[@stormsa-coming4315]

DAMN! Emperor's E IX is a fucking amazing album! I get this whole dystopian empire ruled by a tyrannical leader type vibe that I find kind of scary and fascinating! You give that album a good home you SOB! Love your videos mate, keep it up!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Haha. Thanks for watching! There’s no accounting for taste! ;)

[@lifeeternal9823]

And also, I think they hype behind Leviathan, for me being a fan, is the experimentation. Jeff is an extremely experimental song writer, and that's what keeps it interesting for me. It's hard to predict what is gunna happen next in the album or even the song. He also creates one of the most menacing atmosphere I've ever heard out of any band. He just makes such a sadistic sounding album! But that in itself would be enough to keep people away

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I cant deny the Jef's talent and obvious skill for creating Leviathan music, and I get why he has earned so many fans, but I just find his songwriting to be more experimentally charged and less memorable because of it. Again.... it is a matter of personal taste! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Ghoulstille]

Agree with you on Watain Marty HUGELY overrated.

[@NecropsY1]

Cory Horrors watain riffs are the worst

[@nour7light]

I agree so much for the two first ones Massacre and Cancer XD !!! And absolutely dont agree about Carcass !!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

That Carcass album is damn good. It just sounds musically more like At The Gates, than a Carcass album. To me anyway. Thanks for watching.

[@nour7light]

@@HeavyMetallurgy Keep it up man your vids are great !

[@benng4376]

I mostly disagree but respect and enjoy your opinion.

[@MasaM-c2c]

Ben NG disagree is sometimes normal, its honestly and that metalheads only accept!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks man. I knew a lot of folks would disagree, but wanted to offer a point for debate and communication. Thanks again for watching!

[@vinylghoul5236]

@@MasaM-c2c I find you everywhere on the internet

[@myrkrefr]

great video Marty. yeah i agree with the final frontier criticism. space was a cool theme for the album so i was expecting it to be more "cosmic" and explosive. but after just a few listens, you instantly realize it's just a background music album compared to their top records. not their worst album but definitely a huge letdown. i just met amorphis in athens, ga last thursday. really cool dudes. they put on a great show and i got a bunch of signed shit and some drumsticks. what is your most overrated/or disappointing amorphis record? what is your favorite? got the orders you shipped to me the other week too. great stuff and very thankful to have a record shop like yours to explore. more orders coming soon! support Bindrune!!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks for your comments and support!! Regarding Amorphis, their 1st 2 full -length albums remain amazing in my world and among my favorite albums ever. I recall getting Elegy as a promo and laughing my ass off at their band's obvious desire to enter the commercial market. I eventually got over this and ended up liking the album due to how catchy the songs are, but I remain disappointed at how they moved away from such deep and challenging death metal with feeling. That Maiden album though... other than the track, Coming Home, it's a really boring outing. They sound tired and dare I say.... old!

[@MrThekuykuykuykuy]

What's the name of the band he's playing in the background??? Sounds amazing, damn! But I can't understand what they're called!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Darkenhold - Castellum

[@MrThekuykuykuykuy]

@@HeavyMetallurgy thanks brother

[@ObsidianBlaze9]

I like Watains music but I saw them open for Behemoth and it was one of the best and darkest atmosphere shows Ive seen live it was so visceral that may be a contributing factor but I just enjoy listening to their music but I digress. Also the new Coldfells album is absolutely majestic and monumental, I hope it gets pressed on more formats soon because I need that masterpiece.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Not sure on the fate of multiple Coldfells formats, but it has been released digitally. Keep your eyes peeled! Watain is ok. Decent band with a great live show. I still prefer Dissection, PRE REINKAOS!

[@ObsidianBlaze9]

I saw the Cold fells lp already sold out before I knew about it and Reinkaos is a great album as well.

[@Lyrici17]

While it's pretty hard to gauge "-ratedness" of anything, I can't necessarily disagree with the general premise presented here, as these are all certainly not my favorite releases by these artists (outside of maybe "IX Equilibrium"). I will say that I like a lot them quite a bit though: "Heartwork", "Scar Sighted", "The Final Frontier" particularly (Iron Maiden and Leviathan are probably my top 2 favorite bands, so certainly fandom bias is a potential possibility here). Again, these aren't nearly my favorite releases by any of these bands, but I still think they're good albums. Then again, we aren't necessarily talking about good vs bad, but proper "-ratedness", so yeah it's a tough one to figure.... Thanks!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Exactly... other than the Cancer and Massacre albums, I don't "hate" anything that I displayed. What does get old to me is how widely regarded as amazing a lot of the albums I showed are. Again... everyones taste is different. I'm just trying to point out that they hype machine has been rolling for decades.

[@sudisarkaya7501]

Hey Marty, I love your channel. This is a great video. A metal fan can't get tired of discussing metal... :) Although I disagree with some, I can see where you're coming from for each album. I really love From Beyond. It was released at a time when I was discovering death metal bands, especially American ones. I was hooked on Death, Deicide, Malevolent, Morbid Angel etc. And From Beyond contains songs that are easier to grasp, get used to and like for a novice death metal fan because the songs are simple and catchy. But for a death metal veteran who had been following the bands since the genre's introduction, it is a simple album with nothing new on the table. I totally agree with you on Heartwork. It has some very good songs but overall the album does not do much. However it certainly paved way for a lot of European bands in melodic death metal genre and it helped it grow. I also agree with you on Harmony Corruption. It is not that they have gone soft or started writing longer songs. After all Utopia Banished is a masterpiece. But Harmony lacks good songwriting and sound. Agree with you on Clandestine as well... Just, boring... I like IX Equilibrium though but it might be a flop for fans who don't like polished, clean sounds in extreme bands. My biggest disagreement is Coma of Souls :) I am an Extreme Agression junkie as well. But what I like about Coma Of Souls is it presents a better Kreator in terms of musicianship and finally some lead playing that makes sense :)))) Maybe this is stretching too far but I think that Coma of Souls, although there has been some experimentation in between, laid the foundation of what Kreator has been doing for the last 15 years in albums like Violent Revolution, Enemy Of God etc... I agree with you on The Final Frontier to a certain point. Overall a weak album in Maiden standards but after several turns, I really liked a few songs on the album. I just can't take The Book Of Souls. They made long songs for the sake of making long epics and it definitely did not work. Such a boring album. I think Souls is Maiden's worst. Yes even worse than Blaze albums in my opinion :))))) Respect and hail from Istanbul, Turkey...

[@JoeSamsonMedArt]

For what its worth, the drumming on Clandestine is AMAZING! The best rock influenced drumming on a death metal album hands down, none so groovy! Totally agree with you on Massacre, Cancer and the offensively boring Watain.

[@mr.davidian631]

Personally I love the albums from Massacre, Kreator, Napalm Death and Carcass. I understand why someone may. Plus the fact that I wasn't a fan "back in the day" might have something to do with it. Also agreed with your thoughts on Maiden even if I did like the album.

[@offbeathat5219]

personally i love the hell out of clandestine and sinner's bleed is one of my favourite metal songs but your criticisms are valid and i respect the time you spent trying to understand the record. what do you think of entombed a.d.?

[@brainsmasher666]

I kind of agree with you on Leviathan, I think his best one is Massive Conspiracy Against All Life.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I think my fave from him is Tenth Sublevel of Suicide. I like it, but dont love it.

[@813lynch]

Silhouette in Splinters & 10th Sub Level of Suicide are my favorite albums by Leviathan. But Lurker of Chalice is even more intense and I love that 1 best

[@GreendayversusU2]

Great video, made me reconsider how I felt about some of these albums to be honest. When you got to Kreator's Coma of Souls, my response was honestly "what the fuck is he talking about?!"...but then I actually put the album on and holy shit man, you have a point lol. Cheers.

[@wolfstar675]

Walty Ramone Lol stop lying.

[@DarthPizza777]

I like the Carcas album, the only thing i Hate about it is the cover. Looks like it could be a pop album cover.😅

[@Sirmeatwad]

Metal and beer festival??! Man that sounds amazing. Wish I could go to one of those. Especially if you were gonna be there too. They do anything like that in Florida?

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

It happened this past weekend and was Decibel's inaugural event. Looks like it was a success! Professionally run and there were a ton of people there. I would expect more in the future!

[@therham]

I'm definitely with you on all of those. Especially with Clandestine.

[@brainsmasher666]

I love the shit out of Heartwork, but its definitely evident that they were grasping at anything that would relieve them of their prior death grind genre. For anyone that was a fan before Heartwork I cant imagine how much it would have been hard to love. You could kind of say that for me At the Hearth of Winter is my Heartwork.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

And for that, I completely understand! But unlike your thoughts on At the Heart of Winter, I like and can appreciate the talent behind Heartwork. At the time though, it was a culture shock so to speak. With Immortal, ATHOW was the result of a stylistic development that was evident on the albums leading up to its release. I think anyway. Their riffs started to become more catchy and complex as far back as Battles in the North.

[@Tujefa1981]

Heartwork criticism always makes me smile because it's always the same thing. Its melodic its not a bunch of gurgling blood splattered gore grind. The narrator of this video says it himself it had good songs and great guitar work and that's why I live the album. All the superficial stuff doesn't mean ac thing to me.

[@Tujefa1981]

@J Stillwell ok let me get this straight they should change the name of the band because they no longer sounded like the band they were when they were teenagers? I don't know about you but nothing i did as a teenager was ever as good things i did as an adult🤷‍♂️

[@saltpeter7429]

I have to laugh, what's wrong with melodic?. Heartwork was a monster album. At least in my opinion. But then again I love SWANSONG...

[@pawelnowak5013]

Good point on Watain. I wouldn't try to compare them to Dissection thou. Vinterland, Sacrilege maybe. Maiden it's like what 25th album, bands tend to slack of like that. Leviathan kicked my ass due to diversity of that album, Carcass definitely stands out for me, Napalm D agree, Kreator agree but I wouldn't write off Coma thou. Mostly interesting point on your approach, I like when people have their opinions on shit instead of following like mass produced cyborgs. Agree or disagree, my opinion isn't yours, we all entitled to our own. Fuck anyone that gives you shit for anything you said. At least you are honest with yourself brother. Good video, sub. Hail

[@ryanklaassen2124]

I havent been listening to metal for that long( except if you count alter bridge have been listening to those guys for 3 years which still isnt that long) around 8 months(probably because like how most people got into metal because my angsty teen hormones kicked in :/) now i think and i was wondering what your opinion is on kreator's newest album i like myself just wondering what your opinion as someone with a bit more knowledge about music and some more life experience is :)

[@petrirantanen]

Hi! I'm new to your channel. I found this kind of discussion entertaining and important. I do love Heartwork but I don't expect everybody to share my opinion. I like Coma of Souls too but on that I have to agree. It gets bit boring. In fact few days ago I was listening it and thought to myself, why I used to love this album so much. Anyway, nice to see people talking about albums in this way too. Greetings from Finland, Petri

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

See you this weekend! I LOVE MASSACRE!!! lol and the Celtic Frost breakdown on Suffer The Children by Napalm Death is so good!!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

It's true, Coma of Souls was the first Kreator full length that I bought, and it is one of my favorites. I'm sure nostalgia has quite a bit to do with that.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

You know what.... had I not heard Extreme Aggression and their older material first, I too think I would have loved Coma of Souls. It isnt a horrible album, it just was a side step of the greatness that came before it. thanks for watching man!

[@GroundZeroSalem]

Full disclosure: I kinda like Renewal too. That's definitely looking into the past with Rose colored glasses.

[@GroundZeroSalem]

oh yeah LHP > Wolverine Blues > Clandestine for sure.

[@thearchivist7824]

What do you think about more recent Kreator output?

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

+The Abyssal Archivist I just picked up the new one, God's of Violence. This is the first Kreator I have heard since Endorama, and though I was pretty shocked at how much they have changed/refined their sound, it's a good album. Very melodic Swedish death/metal slanting. Like Massive Killing Capacity era Dismember meets At The Gates with Mille singing.

[@thearchivist7824]

Their last 5 albums have been quite similar but Gods of Violence is their most melodic. Phantom Antichrist is pretty sick, I highly recommend it.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

will check it out! thanks!

[@mattw4461]

Slaughter of the Soul and Seven Churches come to mind for me.

[@xCynder]

Also, I don’t understand the hype for Watain. However, I did give them a try but it’s just not for me

[@xCynder]

I haven’t listened to Watain to even give that much of an opinion. Though what you brought up about them trying to emulate a similar sound to Dissection? I wouldn’t know. Dissection is easily my top 5 favorite BM bands of all time

[@ruslanvic1]

Sorry, can't agree about "Heartwork". Such a great, great album!

[@CarnivorousMower]

It was such a disappointing after Necroticism. And melodic death metal is dull as fuck.

[@usualdosage7287]

Ruslan Shcherbyna roots is overrated

[@ruslanvic1]

And at the same time - most hated by hardcore Sepultura fans. But i think Roots is a unique release combining thrash-groove, nu and tribal metal.

[@CarnivorousMower]

Roots is a load of arse. Hate the fucking thing. Unique is not synonymous with good.

[@ruslanvic1]

Well, for me it was very synonymous back in the day. Now i'm listening to Roots too but not very often... Still think Ross Robinson did a great job on producing that modern groove sound combined with tribal elements.

[@yuriyanov3217]

Have the same view on most (except for Clandestine). I suppose it's really important on when you get on to liking the band and which album one jumps the bandwagon. So, quite some of your examples were with bands changing their style after you've already acknowledged them and accepted. Same with me. Except for the Entombed's album. I suppose it's 'cause I've heard this one before I've got my hands on the Left Hand Path. So, I like it very much, and would rather call it an "outstanding" one (on the other hand, it does stands out compared to their other works). Overall - thumbs up.

[@THRASHORBETHRASHED851]

nice 2 see tapes all what you showed are great albums i do understand that ppl have the right to disagree but i accept your point of view stay heavy and show love too the audio tape

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I’m sorry man. Having grown up with tapes and have endured many failures over the years, I find it hard to love them. There is certainly a nostalgia around them though and I think this is why they are making a comeback

[@THRASHORBETHRASHED851]

@@HeavyMetallurgy agree and tapes have become popular now we need is the comeback for a quality tape deck i still love tapes got over 600 i think in my collection thanks for repling bro

[@dmitriblaskowitz2051]

I found out about Kreator through the Pleasure to Kill. I still think Coma of Souls is my favorite. But I do respect your opinion and I can understand where you're coming from. Extreme Aggression is definitely my second favorite. Rock on \m/

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Man Coma of Souls is such a departure from Pleasure to kill. I guess I need to state that I don't hate Coma.... It just sounds tired to me. Thanks a lot for watching.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Overrated? It's just personal taste man. I've heard of everyone from Rush to Green Day being called overrated.

[@timwigby8966]

Agree with a lot of what you are saying here , gave up being a completest years ago to be honest - all of my favorite bands have made records that I have not enjoyed or failed to get into so in many cases I do not own them anymore or have in the case of many simply own the ones I love (usually the early ones) I enjoy Xasthur way more than Leviathan , only really enjoy Kreator prior to Coma Of Souls , Massacre no offence to any one were/are just another tread mill Death Metal band from the early nineties that were rolled out of Morris sound like a conveyor belt but had none of the original vitality and Maiden records have become increasingly more filler than killer since about 1986!! - got that off my chest , good video - part 2?

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

There will be multiple parts to this as sitting back quiet while others endlessly praise albums that I think are overrated is a thing of the past. I'm mainly doing this to act as devil's advocate and offer an alternative way of thinking when it comes to the classics. Thanks a bunch for watching!!

[@ZKnight456]

I think you make some solid arguments for the albums that get a little bit too much hype. I think Massacre gets all the hype because of the name recognition and because of the time the record was put out for being some of the first death metal out there to my knowledge. Some albums do not stand the test of time. As far as Leviathan goes I genuinely like his creativity and experimentation he puts in his music. Scar sighted was very very different from what he had previously put out. Would you be willing to trade or sell some of the leviathan demos you mentioned? If so I'll shoot you an email to work out something!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Sorry for the delay. I have CDrs of the Leviathan demos. Back in the day, I was friend of a friend of a guy who knew Jef and he had all the demo material before it hit the streets. he'd send me copies of them early on. So in saying I "have the demos", I should have mentioned that they werent original copies.

[@sinirablackmetal]

Casus Luciferi is my favorite Watain album if not one of my top 5 black metal albums. It was my introduction to the band and I really wanted the rest of their material to meet the expectations Casus set for me but sadly nothing they have made since has even touched that album. They are amazing performers, however. I just wish they would ditch the squeaky clean production and tired song formulas they’ve picked up since Sworn to the Dark

[@wearemanyyouareone7596]

I really don't ever hear anybody talk about massacre but for 91 it was fucking heavy and is still top 5 of my favorite death metal albums

[@MynameSlinky]

PLEASE tell me what songs you were playing in the background

[@DamnableReverend]

Enjoyed the video and agree with some of your takes (Heartwork, Coma)... Couldn't disagree more about Clandestine though. Left Hand Path is absolutelyg reat. Clandestine, for me, is even better. What you call wandering I calle xcitement. Love all the performances on that album too -- except the vocals. yeah, LHP has better vocals. But it's death metal, and I have realised in teh last bunch of years that it's easy for me not to care that much about vocals in death metal -- so long as he's not making too much noise all over the album at every possible moment to fill space, I'm not too bothered.

[@wordvert7374]

Yes!!! All the joints i don't own yet!! This is education and fuck that "classic" tag.. Thanks for the lesson's Marty you Grandmaster of Metal.. \m/💀🎨

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thank you for watching!!

[@wordvert7374]

Thanks for teaching..

[@hellboundclic]

Hands down, "Pleasure to Kill" was Kreator's masterpiece with "Terrible Certainty" a close second.

[@wearemanyyouareone7596]

J.D Valladares I think pleasure to kill is really overrated the solos are so sloppy you can tell they're not that good of musicians which makes listening to it worse in my opinion

[@dane6367]

Pandaweed Xl people love pleasure because it had a lot of influence on the black, death, and thrash metal scene, not because it was a masterpiece

[@abscessedcadaver8221]

@@dane6367 Same happens with Reign In Blood.

[@owelofminerva]

Koma was Kreator after they lost all inspiration, Heartwork and Harmony were grind legends dipping their toes into boring death metal, Cancer though, Cancer is actually peak death metal for me.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I’ve tried hard over the years to embrace that Cancer material, but it always just falls flat for me. Not terrible, just always struck me as pretty predictable stuff. Thanks a lot for watching.

[@MasaM-c2c]

extreme aggression is my favorite album too from kreator, since old school and kreator best album is coma of souls! napalm death : harmony corruption is best album and i hunting that on vinyl but i order that on cd, tapes are bad thing, tapes go bad condition.

[@SwampJabba]

im 47 years old and me and you are on the same page with alot of these albums...... your very right.....jared

[@pietrayday9915]

I think that's a fair list, even if I do rather like most of "Heartwork" and "Clandestine". However, I mostly kind of feel bad seeing poor Iron Maiden on that list: I feel like the band could probably have gone into semi-retirement any time they wanted through the 2000s, especially during and after the years that Bruce was out of the band, but Steve Harris and the other remaining members kept going and writing new albums under the motivation of not letting the Iron Maiden fans down, to keep going in a "show must go on!" kind of spirit. In fact, I really get the impression that Steve Harris was heavily depressed and rather suicidal for a while, with keeping busy with the band being the only thing keeping him going. That a lot of the later albums just didn't seem to "gel" with fans in spite of the band's best efforts and good will seems kind of tragic - I think there was some great stuff on those albums, but of course nothing like their best albums (an almost unfair standard to hold over the band), and it has really been a dark, dark period for Iron Maiden and their fans. I guess a lot of folks were ready for any sign that the classic Iron Maiden they remember were back, and thus the seemingly out-of-place hype some of those later albums would get. Still, being over-rated doesn't mean the album is bad, even a good album with a flaw or two can be over-hyped as "the best thing ever" out of proportion to its above-average but not THAT great status. I think most - and maybe all - the albums you listed were good, but not THAT great, compared to the sometimes inexplicable hype they were getting in their day, and perhaps still get now!

[@nour7light]

totally agree for Massacre , but Carcass ?? ... they didnt force themselve to have the same sound again and again just like you reproached it to Kreator and they did an amazing song writing on it they took time to make something really solid and original not like entombeds Clandestine as you mentionned it which is boring .

[@nour7light]

@old gooseberry no !!

[@robertphelps3895]

Finally! Coma Of Souls is overrated. I've been saying this for years. It doesn't touch the greatness of Extreme Aggression.

[@BIGRGreenEyes]

Totally agree about Cancer. They are the epitome of boring. Every release is boring. Midpaced, old school Florida style thrashing death metal. No frills, no melody, very few memorable guitar solos, interchangeable & non-interesting/generic riffs. Kinda the way I describe a lot of Monstrosity, although those guys have sprinkled some dark melodies here & there. Cancer just has no reason to exist.

[@UBERGEEKZILLA]

Dude....From Beyond and Death Shall Rise are some of the heaviest albums in Death Metal history!!!

[@johnnycreepo]

Extreme Aggression is the best Kreator album

[@macabre19]

No

[@grayblow66]

Totally agree on heartwork .have tried over the years to get into it again and again. Terrible boring album. Necroticism is a masterpiece.

[@HS-xo4vj]

Respect for doing this video. I can agree with your opinion in all cases ... except Massacre and Cancer :-)

[@infernusrex796]

I agree with you on most of these, especially Watain, but I feel the same way about Dissection, just do not get it??

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Oh man... Dissection.... feel thos riffs on the first 2 albums. AMAZING!

[@Chemicalwarfare84]

I agree a 100% about the Maiden album.

[@spacecadet8843]

Completely agree! The ones here I never really thought of as overrated were Massacre and Napalm Death's releases. Then again, I never really found myself returning to them. Massacre will always be decent gym music, but aside from that when I sit down to listen it doesn't really have captivating songs. For me though, Carcass' descent started EVEN BEFORE that album. After that first album, they started declining and fast too. In my opinion though, Watain is terrible. The band they try to emulate, Dissection, is way overrated. Unanimated was leagues better if they had actually come up with more ideas. A couple of bands you missed -Death (decent band, but the later releases had the same issues more or less as Entombed) -Mgla (terrible band with boring repetitive songs)

[@YPO6]

I wish they used different drum sound in Napalm Death's Harmony Corruption. Nice songs overall but that drum sound gets on my nerves. Mentally Murdered was much better.

[@metalneanderthal]

As much as I'm a huge fan of some of these albums. You aren't being pretentious about it. I agree on a couple of your choices. The Massacre and Cancer hurt! I love those albums. But it's all good. But my favorite type of death metal is the early thrash/death metal and Cancer and Massacre I almost consider extreme thrash not death. I love Clandestine too but thanks for giving some love to wolverine blues. I love that record too.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks for watching and contributing to the conversation. That was my intention, to inspire discussion with these videos. Some folks were taking these opinions pretty personally. Anyway.... some of these albums I don’t “hate”, just found them boring, or some just don’t hold up over the years very well. We all hear the same tunes and feel their impact differently. That’s what keeps it interesting.

[@wenndingofoster5680]

For the most part I agree . On Coma of Souls though Terror Zone is a fantastic song , for the most part the album is filled with melodic lead guitar passages that sound in complete . I would like Watson if it wasn't for ll the dead animal roadkill bullshit . Seems that kind of crap would belong at a Cannibal Corpse show Obviously someone should label black metal Deth Metal since those type of bands always want to reak of putrefaction , and Death Metal bands only sing about it . Leave those poor possoms , cats etc. on the side of the road let ODOT deal with the roadkill . Yes I find the punk vocals on Clandestine very irritating . Glad someone out there agrees with me

[@zeushgoatc7004]

it was as samoth wrote some songs inspired by his other band Zyklon and isaahn the others. doesnt have cohesive feel. also i move track 3 icarus sometimes highlight of album to second last

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Yeah man. I was not a fan of how the Norwegian scene developed. Classic BM bands adopting more of a DM feel, just wasnt the same, nor did it have the same impact or level of quality.

[@redshaftedflicker]

I agree with you on many levels! I'm a picky bastard especially with metal. Dissection was fucking great! Left Hand Path is the one, I traded Clandestine years ago--it's a wanderer, haha.

[@lifeeternal9823]

I love this video haha even though I disagree with a little of it, I like the idea and respect your opinions fursure. Keep em comin!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Thanks man. THis vid was meant to inspire discussion.

[@wyattxhim]

wow never realized how much we agree on these bands hahaha Watain has always made me cringe and laugh. Their beliefs are so insanely cartoony and the music has always been meh to ok at best for me Leviathan was interesting for me at first but i realized that his music for me has always been a one and then done kind of listen that never left me wanting more great/interesting video like always Marty

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

THanks man for watching. Glad you liked the vid! More to come.

[@scottwilcox2440]

Good topic! I agree with​ Harmony Corruption, sounds like garbage. I can see your point on Heartwork, but it was my first Carcass album so I don't have the long-time fan's perspective on it. My #1 overrated band is Destruction. For me they were sloppy thrash that didn't do anything that anyone else hadn't done better. I will throw in Possessed too: take away the logo and a song called Death Metal and you have third tier thrash. Keep this topic up, it is fun!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

It was meant to be fun and get people thinking, and or pissed off. haha. Regarding Destruction.... I get what you're saying, but I really love their first 3 full-length albums. Especially Total Death. So dark and different from anything else coming out of Germany at the time. I will agree that their sound is really thin and strange! Thanks for watching!

[@Grim_reviews]

Coma of souls I feel is yes an overrated album but I think it's mostly for artwork

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

By saying it was overrated DOESNT mean I dislike it. I know and can sing along with this whole album. For me, it was a step back in intensity and passion coming off of the AMAZING Extreme Aggression. That's a hard album to follow-up. An absolute gem in their catalog. Thanks for watching!

[@Grim_reviews]

@@HeavyMetallurgy ofc!! I just bought it as a big Kreator fan myself and I'm a collector so I thought I'd get it! I think the Gods of violence album has cooler artwork but ro each their own

[@Visionofgodrecords]

Hey bro its Duke ;) So agree with all this lol Good to see your alive and well!!!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

You too man. What’s been going on??

[@RichardWolfe79]

I agree about Watain. There are some legendary bands that were innovators and deserve the praise, that I've never been a huge fan of though. Never was big on Death, Pestilence, Black Sabbath, Enslaved, to name a few. Sorry I know it's off topic. A couple overrated bands off the top of my head are Gorgoroth and Infernal Majesty.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Shoot your own vid!! Let's broaden this topics range! It makes people think!

[@millenniumfantasy6503]

Ironically enough, I think the most overrated Metal band of all time is Celtic Frost! That kinda made me giggle.

[@butchvito]

How the hell are Celtic Frost overrated? Just because you don't like them? They were never big commercially by no means and never got any praise from critics. Their influence alone can't be denied though. They're one of the pioneers of extreme metal. It's hard to find many death metal bands that were not influenced by CF. Not to mention a big influence on the New Orleans "Sludge" scene as well.

[@I.P1976]

Although I'd have to disagree with some of your choices here (apart from Watain), I love your channel and have huge respect for your knowledge and passion for metal.

[@raygetard1896]

Hard disagree on Heartwork and Death Shall Rise, but I agree with everything else and was surprised I didn't see The Sound of Perseverance on here.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Would you say that Sound of Perseverance was overrated? Huh. Seems like when that came out, the fans were pretty evenly divided. It has been only recently that I have revisited that album and can find some enjoyment in it. I really disliked it when it launched. Thanks for watching

[@metalcrushingmadness3020]

Pleasure To Kill was my gateway to Kreator while Extreme Aggression solidified my fandom. Coma Of Souls is great because to me I can listen to Gods Of Violence and see direct lineage. To me it seems COS is where Kreator really found their stride. Now with Renewal, they completely departed from their true sound.. great video though!

[@sugardaddydavid7749]

Your Welcome Bro I Basicly Listen Both Genre Rap And Heavy Metal Death Metal And Black Metal.

[@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth]

That album playing in the background sounds great, is it a band on your label?

[@allenellsworth5799]

Dark Hyms From The Cold North www.metal-archives.com/bands/Darkenh%C3%B6ld/3540293061

[@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth]

Thanks Allen! I was probably being a bit lazy haha. But I liked what I heard.

[@allenellsworth5799]

Oh it's no problem. I wanted to look at their review scores anyway.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

No sir, although that would rule!

[@TheTrueKailash]

good clip. yes massacre, i waited so long for that to be released, massively hyped back in the day. i did love it but like you say it's aged poorly. was bored with it when i listened to it last. don't care for that carcass or emperor album either. watain, same haha

[@allenellsworth5799]

Darkenhold are amazing. Can't wait for their new album.

[@KimPham525]

Clandestine rules.

[@mattw4461]

I agree with some of the things but naturally not everything. I heard Massacre back in the day and thought it was mediocre. The only Cancer album I like is Sins of Mankind. Not my fav Kreator but I still love Coma of Souls. Heartwork is the only Carcass album I got into. Anthems and Wrath are the only albums I like from Emperor. I can't get into the production of Nightside. Brave New World is the last Maiden album I liked. I totally agree about Clandestine. Hate the vocals.

[@PawelSorinsky]

Agree with Massacre.

[@813lynch]

If you wanna sell the Leviathan album & the Maiden album I'd buy em from you.I can't help but get the Maiden...im a completist

[@bogdanescu86]

most overrated = reign in blood. yeah yeah influenced a million bands, whatever. two good songs, 2 or 3 other songs are pretty good as well but hella short, the others just blend together. funny enough, i listened to that album more than others which i adore, just because it's so short and it's easier to get through

[@lucasbeer353]

Coma of Souls is my favourite Kreator album. Songs and solos are much better than on Extreme Aggression. Harmony Corruption also my favourite Napalm Death album. Heartwork, maybe not the best Carcass album but definitely not overrated.

[@kikoglocksakaghostdrummer4958]

What band is playing in the background

[@terrorinc4850]

Love the shirt dude

[@ChipmunkAsylum]

If you think the albums are overrated why do you own them?

[@Count_Deangeli]

I like you but I was ready to let u have it, lol... I couldn't find in your list, though, anything I really like - especially Watain and Leviathan do almost nothing for me.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I put those opinions out there to inspire discussion knowing fully well that people were likely going to "let me have it". hahaha. So far, I think most get the fact I wasnt trying to come off as malicious, just sharing long considered opinions and thoughts. Take care.

[@METALBENSCHRONICLES]

Great video concept and yeah I agree with wotain I find their music to have way too clean of production for black metal and oh yeah I remember when the final frontier came out I was very disappointed in it and thought it sounded very tired and boring. By far the worse maiden album.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

The only song on Final Frontier that I liked was that ballad-y track about flight. Was it called Welcome Home? Can’t remember. Some good lyrics and feeling on that one. The rest is a snooze fest. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@martinrosendahl9134]

Finally someone who agree with me about Harmony Corruption being a bit overrated... ND was the first extreme music I heard and I've always liked their material.. all eras - EXCEPT Harmony corruption. Straight death metal - and especially the production - doesnt suit ND at all...