iRacing vs. ACC | Who does GT3 Racing better? w/

[@federicolinos8853]

1:17 "why is it such a big thing to have a car drive like in real life?" You answered that question with the previous 2: Most people never drove a GT3 car, and most importantly most of us never will. Therefore, having having a simulation that will make people experience racing as closely as possible is an important factor for a sim. There's plenty of fun and "non-realistic" games out there; it would be nice to have at least one that resembles a real life racing car.

[@dazentrieb4237]

I totally agree. I think because I probably won’t ever drive a real GT3, it’s great to have a sim which simulates the behaviour and feeling a real car would give you. That’s why it’s called a simulation, because it’s supposed to simulate the real world.

[@zethyuen8859]

Well said. Although both arguments are valid, I probably would lean towards your argument and in this regard ACC definitely wins over iRacing. Feels so much more detailed because of the higher refresh rate (nearly 7 times faster now)

[@tannerbrewer6685]

100% the most important aspect.. we all want to know that our sim racing experience counts for something in the real world

[@keepsgoing4evr1]

When I first started playing ACC. It was on my series X. Pretty limited with FFB settings. It just didn't feel right. Too loose. So once I got it on PC, my 10 year old son had a pretty good idea. Him and I got in my car and drove around the block. I mean I drive obviously lol. But then came right back to my rig and made some little adjustments. Then repeated this a few more times. I gotta say, my sim wheel feels about as close to the steering in my Mazda 3 now. When I've spent hours in the rig and then jump off to run to the store, it actually feels familiar and seem less. I have upgraded stiffer suspension. My wheel base is a TH TS-XW with a Sparco 310. This may sound dumb or pointless to some people but I swear it has helped me get the rig setup perfectly for me. I adjusted the pedal and my seating position to mirror my real car. So, maybe someone else will give the same thing a try. I think outside of the G forces felt in your butt and body while in a real vehicle, that if you get all of your FFB settings figured out. It's about as close as one can get. I hoped on a friend's rig with iRacing (he has the exact same wheel base and similar setup) and iRacing felt kinda of hollow. Not nearly as connected where the digital rubber hits the road. It's a great sim, just feels dated. Anyway, yeah maybe tune your rig to feel like your real car. May help y'all get an even better feel. Enjoy your laps folks! 👍😎

[@Ulver27]

True, but how would you know?

[@jetspalt9550]

Being realistic is the number one thing because when a game is this deep and requires this amount of commitment you want the skills to be transferable to other games of that type, so the easiest way to get the sims to be a shared discipline is to have them all strive to be as close to reality as possible. It also has the benefit of having solid metrics for the developers to measure against. So yes being close to reality is the entire point regardless of wether the players will ever experience the real thing or care about it

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

I seem to be able to go back and forth from ACC and rF2 easily. Can't say the same about going from either of those and GT7 back and forth. So I agree with you.

[@leroyrodriguez3004]

@@jetspalt9550 the only reason why I’m even watching this video is so I can see which one’s more realistic. I need something that’ll transfer to real life physics

[@billwiley7216]

If you want to call it a SIMULATION then having it drive, handle and behave like its real life counterparts is a very important part of the equation. There have been several actual real world drivers of Blancain GT3 series cars has stated that after a few adjustments ACC had the cars where they drove like their real life counterparts. To me that is about as good of an endorsement that a PC game could hope to obtain where it refers to realism. iRacing on the other hand in my opinion the cars in particular on cold tires remind me of almost trying to drive on icy roads. Yes grip levels are down as compared to full temp tires with the lower tire pressures and cold rubber but not to the degree of what it feels like in iRacing. Even ACC has is more correct there if you have ever driven on a race track on race rubber. iRacing may be the only game in town when it comes to oval racing or some classes of road racing but when it comes to gt3/gt4 racing ACC does the actual simulation of the cars better in my opinion which comes from watching the racing and the statements of some real world race drivers. As far as the online aspect and public races iRacing is better but it does also offer that at a premium cost for both purchasing the cars and track content and paying a monthly subscription fee to keep those purchases usable. With iRacing you never really own the content you only rent it as you must have an active subscription to use it even for offline use. That is my biggest gripe against iRacing, either sell the content for unlimited use on or offline OR require a subscription to play the game but requiring both is too far over the top and to much.

[@willdarling1]

just out of curiosity, when was the last time you drove in iRacing ?

[@iseeq72]

@@willdarling1 hehe, I asked myself the same question -> the icy character is an issue of lack of advancement regarding the tyre model/parameters. Not that I personally like or drive the GT3 class (I find it f*-*-*-*- boring), with newer models that issue is +/- solved.

[@MrKusoyaro]

I don't think iRacing is too pricey. I don't think people realise how much it costs to run so many servers and the staff to maintain them. Think about it. For 13$ per month you have daily races. Sometimes every other hour. And you only need to purchase the car you want to drive and the tracks needed for the series. Ofc if you want to drive absolutly everything, iRacing is expensive. But it is a multiplayer first sim. It's your choice how much you want to spend on it. No other sim delivers an online experience like iRacing. And btw. I only paid for like 3 months or so. It's not worth it for me. But i won't say it is too pricey.

[@Todestelzer]

Yeah after hearing he’s not comparing it I stopped the video. A simulation should be as realistic as possible.

[@DanSuzuki]

@Da-zed wouldn't I be an idiot if I talk about realism when I have never driven a GT3 car in real life 😜? there are sooo many simracers who talk about realism when they have never driven a race car in their life ... I think that's a bit hypocritical :)

[@bernardoberner4]

ACC is the most realistic, according to drivers themselves, James Baldwin I think is the best example, he always says on his videos that ACC is the most realistic GT3 sim, and he drove a 720s GT3 IRL, so he knows what he's talking about, and also Nicky Thiim said that it is the most realistic

[@OverTake_gg]

Yeah, Laurin Heinrich as well 😉

[@cesco1990]

Done both iRacing and ACC. The thing where iRacing hits a homerun is indeed the online system. Currently there are 2 full time series where GT3-drivers can compete. One is a sprint series with races lasting around 40 minutes and IMSA where races take around 45 and sometimes 60, depending on the 12 week based season. Race starts are every 2 hours. So if 'Race A' starts at 13.45 , 'Race 2' starts at 15.45. Where ACC hits it out of the ball park is the sheer experience of racing these cars. "Feel, sound, visuals" are on a powerlevel over 9000. And now for the blunders, where unfortunately for iRacers, iRacing just has a tad too many of. Pricing is awful! From subscription to buying a car, all tracks to race, prices for setups from providers to be SOMEWHAT competitive are skyrocketing as well and the baseline setup iRacing offers, will not get you anywhere I'm afraid. Building your own setup might take you so much time practicing you will barely make to get a race in before the week is over to get that rating that was praised in this video. The backslides in iRacing are awful as well. iRacing isn't dubbed 'iCeRacing' affectionately/mockingly without a reason. ACC has blunders too, just not as prevalent to the racing itself, but more to the stuff around it. Licensing is one of them and while making/downloading favorite custom liveries is possible, your options are limited and not as streamlined as anyone would like. Blunder 2 is the online service, it feels hollow and useless. Sure, you can join a league through obscure and hidden away forums and that's all fine and dandy but when I want to race 12 to 28 random strangers on a certain point of the day, I want it to mean something, I want competitive rankings, rankings based on safety, stats, records, personal bests, all-time best laptimes. These are just not present in ACC in any meaningful way. So these were the biggest hits and misses from both ACC and iRacing. I hope you are better informed after having read this and if you have any questions, I will look forward to some of the replies down below. Cheers!

[@cbrdealer]

100% agree. I wish ACC had an online system similar to iracing, I know it would be a massive money investment for kunos, but iracing has shown that sim racers are willing to pay a subscription for the online racing for the company to maintain online severs and upkeep. If ACC was able to do that without charging for each car and track like iracing it would be a homerun. I don't know what's holding them back from doing it?

[@pancake5830]

all i want is beamng with licensed gt3 cars and a slightly more polished multiplayer

[@ChrisJones-dc3pm]

Would just like to point out Low Fuel Motorsport. Its light years ahead of the included system but it's a pain to register before a race for me bc my time to race is sporadic.

[@jns08d]

New sim racer here - literally the subscription model is what kept me away from Iracing, maybe in the future but for now I love paying once buying once with DLCs

[@BaxterGT3]

Thanks for taking the time to write that, do you find this is still the case a year later?

[@zethyuen8859]

I have never tried iRacing and I probably never will due to the hefty price tag. I've been playing ACC for a few months and honestly, it's the only game I need. Edit: I actually bought iRacing because of how good my friends said the online system is. Whilst that is true, the FFB of cars isn't as good as in ACC and I am yet to purchase any extra cars/tracks apart from what I have from the base-game content.

[@jcsquared1111]

You need to install irfbb, and vjoy. Will totally fix tbe weird and weak ffb in iracing.akes it day and night

[@eduardofreitas8336]

@@jcsquared1111 This is true! Irfbb is a small program wich will change the game. I am also trying out Iracing for now, I played acc in the past but never got into LFM wich may hold a candle to Iracing`s online system so I will also try that. Both are expensive imo, but Iracing definetely is too expensive lol. I think of it more as if it was a premium costly league I am part of, with leagues inside it. I love that part. But it kind of doesnt matter tha amount of content Iracing offers when its so expensive, I also am only using the free content for now. To be fair, the free content is actually quite vast, the problem is you will always be racing rookies. Do people race GT4 in LFM? Its actually the series im most interested in. Also porsche cup.

[@David-nb2bc]

@@eduardofreitas8336 Even with irfbb for iracing, it is still I think 360hz compare acc to 400 hz natively where irfbb is not natively which means there is a lag. People do race in GT4 I. Lfm. It is very competitive and people are good.

[@TTSClips]

I just want to add iracing on steam is 15 dollars and acc is about 70 dollars

[@gigas27]

@@TTSClips for a system that charges you a service fee a year, the game should come free! It’s like buying a Netflix app only to pay their service to stream content…

[@christiandoninger5951]

One important Point is missing. VR. Iracing Looks so much sharper and better in VR than ACC with much better Performance. I only Drive in VR so this is a dealbraker for me in ACC. The only thing i really miss in Iracing is the insane sound of acc.

[@townnet]

Have you try this mod? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDHpZWfgZ2Fgrs&ab_channel=JaytonaVirtualRacing

[@MikeDieringer635]

I feel like another point that should be made is weather. ACC has rain implemented which can make the racing itself more dynamic as you would have to readjust your electronic settings (ECU map, TC, ABS) and also determine if Wet or slicks are the best option too during your stint. iRacing doesn't have rain, which could make it seem like a hotlap simulator compared to ACC.

[@Cagefighter]

Rain us coming in iracing

[@eduardofreitas8336]

True, thats a plus for Acc for sure. Rain is coming to iracing tho. I like to think of Iracing as more of a huge league to be part of with a custom simulator, rather than a simulator by itself, thats the main thing about it.

[@David-nb2bc]

@@Cagefighter I heard that for the past 10 years and every year, it is coming. ACC has dynamic weather and I did few endurance races on it and the changing weather from dry to rain to dry and back to rain was a real challenge on switching the right tires. I mean even AC modders has rain and you can get it for free.

[@laughintrollface]

Rain is coming to iracing but also when is the last time you have had a full lobby of people in the rain. Never. Also pro leagues don't race in rain and 90% of ACC leagues advertise they don't have rain races.

[@MrModicum]

I always wanted to start playing iracing, but the cost factor is absolutely crazy. I would pay monthly but with all content available. To pay for almost every car and track is just …

[@andkirby7]

You must not pay for it. It must die :D Just to save money for Kunos sake. =)

[@bra1235]

i thought the same but only own 4 5 cars and only use two

[@AjitSidhu360]

I used to drive ACC, but switched to Iracing, Why? The online services are better at any time of day I can find a full race with people around my Skill Level.

[@packzy4549]

Yeah ACC servers are usually dead and most of them that do have people in them are 200+ ping no matter what time of day, that’s one thing that really got me into iracing there’s a race every 5 minutes

[@Scientist-exe]

Hmm I see lots of filled servers almost all the time in ACC. Never tried iRacing, cant afford it.

[@AjitSidhu360]

@@Scientist-exe They maybe filled but half that Grid is aliens, in iRacing I get put in a split with people close to my Rating.

[@Fezz711]

Great video - one aspect that's important for me (you touched on it re tracks) is the pricing models. Everyone will be different, but it's a huge factor for me in preferring ACC for GT3 over iRacing.

[@Jeckaa84]

ACC for leagues. iRacing for public lobbies.

[@Jeckaa84]

@@swgou Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha

[@Tombstone2211]

The pricing is also a pretty big plus for ACC imo

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Yeah it's a huge PLUS, I really appreciate ACC's pricing. There is regional pricing and I feel that leagues and simracing.gp somewhat make up for the online

[@BrianHSC]

Realism is not that important? You're missing the whole point of playing simulation. Of course we never driven GT3 or fly F18. But we want the ones who did drive GT3 and F18 to confirm they're as realistic as possible so we can "experience" it as close as possible. THAT is what simulation is.

[@gtxforza]

To be fair, iRacing is more for online multiplayer while Assetto Corsa Competizione is more for single-player mode.

[@backmarkerbob]

Yep, ACC does ONE thing really really well.

[@TooBizarreJulian]

iracing is for ranked multiplayer and acc is for league racing

[@backmarkerbob]

@@TooBizarreJulian iRacing is mega for leagues, everything from IMSA to SRO to WEC to NASCAR to Indycar and even Global MX5.

[@TooBizarreJulian]

@@backmarkerbob aren't those just official series? which basically means ranked multiplayer

[@backmarkerbob]

@@TooBizarreJulian No, iRacing has an extremely solid league system! The only "official" races I do are endurance special events, everything else is league racing.

[@scotthiland5521]

Personally I think ACC takes the cake for me. Especially when you get in on Low Fuel Motorsports eco system (similar in how iRacing goes about things). I did iRacing for a year and couldn't stomach the costs associated with it. Its too darn expensive especially when I can only get in 4 hrs a week on a sim. The other issue I have when it comes to "sim racing" is that there is this notion that the cars have to be hard to drive. When going at a "comfortable" pace (lets say 90%) in a lot of sims (iRacing included) the car just feels on edge already. From personal experience in karting and formula cars that is just a weird thing and just isn't right. Generally, these cars feel on rails when running at 90% as it should but that 100% is when things feel on edge and your pushing the boundaries of what the vehicle can handle. ACC does a great job IMO where its easy to drive at 90% but things get much harder when maxing out. Also, ACC does a good job with curb usage as well. ACC doesn't let you get away with clobbering curbs but you can properly use your inside front tire on it to get that right rotation and weight transfer to get around fast. Other sims like iRacing you get one of two things when properly executing curb usage.... 1) the curb tosses the car outward essentially kicking you wide and likely in the grass on exit or 2) you get over come with oversteer and you get spun around almost immediately.

[@SimRacerP1]

Iracing was on scheduled downtime so I tried ACC. I literally felt I was at the kids table. My 4 corner system, and pedal feedback system were a complete mess, my simucube pro felt like a Logitech wheel and the ACC VR graphics were so bad in comparison to iRacing VR. It made my 4080 card look like a 3080 card. Iracing does not have amazing graphics but they are smooth and stable. Mirror graphics are so good in iracing VR. I won’t delete ACC because I would like to have something to do in case I want to race during an iRacing scheduled downtime. Even if it is something as bad as ACC. Makes me appreciate a proper sim

[@OverTake_gg]

Thank you for your Super Chat!!

[@youngyingyang]

"1 hour of ACC is like 3 hours of Iracing" That is so true... the constant feel of accidentally hitting a patch of ice is awful in Iracing, it's like walking on egg shells all the time. I've driven dozens of super/hyper cars and I can tell you, iRacing doesn't feel as natural and real life as ACC in that regards.

[@Matt18880]

He was saying ACC is more physically tiring

[@XBOW83]

And its right. In GT3/GT4 and especially on Porsche cup. Iracing have too much grip and give a strange feeling when you slide... ACC Ask more concentration, you have way more corrections on the wheel to do. Its more natural to me

[@pancake5830]

i agree with everything in this video, except for the last one iracing seriously doesnt hold a candle to acc in the visuals/sound department, not even for a little bit.

[@ZoltanF1LH]

I love the sounds of ACC and love fighting the car 😀 Also on iRacing you have to pay monthly to be able to play while ACC only has a one off cost!

[@DrProfSlugger]

You're paying for the racing platform in iRacing. If you don't want a curated racing series where the intentional wreckers are banned from the platform, then don't pay the fee for iRacing. ACC is good but there are definitely reasons to shell out the money for iRacing.

[@zethyuen8859]

@@DrProfSlugger Yeah I agree. I love ACC but the online is so sheit in my region. Only 5 people on average do the CP races lol

[@hazmatcinemaxxx]

@@DrProfSlugger In ACC you have a safety rating and can join a server with high safety requirements if you are that paranoid about being rammed. I usually just race in SA 50-70 servers. Some of the cleanest online racing I have ever taken part in. I also have very few servers in my area but I've found that even a 200 ping game is somehow playable. I usually try to stick to under 200 and there's plenty of those.

[@finck9226]

this right here is the kicker not only that but the fact id have to buy every track and car and go all the way threw the road class licensees. i already pay for 2 iracing accounts as it is so thats not the issue. buying 4 cars and 10 tracks all at 15 bucks is.. makes me rather just pick up acc while its onsale for road racing. oval will always be my jam but turning right and shifting can be fun too lmao. i just rather it be with competent drivers and not arcade racing.

[@gregg2k]

"Will you ever drive a GT3 car? Maybe, but unlikely as well" * Dreams Crushed * thanks for that.

[@ThomasSWK]

Vr feels better in iracing so can’t really play acc :p But yeah VR optimization should be a factor aswell

[@David-nb2bc]

I'm able to get very good graphics with some epic and high settings + 80fps locked using my Rift S full field now so I'm very happy. However, I have a 3090 and i7 10700K OC so that helps plus it did took me very long time to get to where I'm now.

[@ThomasSWK]

@@David-nb2bc yeah ofc if you have the best graphics card you can get a decent result, but you could get a even better result in iracing :p

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Yeah that's great about iracing, it runs on more machines than ACC

[@twistedstrap]

@@ThomasSWK I only run 3070 and with a 5600x and never had any issue with ACC in vr even with 80 grid race's. Never played ir probably never will, tried raceroom but seems too game like (visually), but all personal opinion.

[@ThomasSWK]

@@twistedstrap well then you wouldn’t know how much better iracing is in vr and how much better optimized it is 😂

[@TONAH]

iRacing is good if you are serious about sim racing and want to compete against legit competitors. ACC is good if you want a more polished Forza GT3 experience and want a less serious experience.

[@EmanuelNilsson-t7j]

@1:17 isn't that the whole point of a sim? 🤔

[@theinkedcyclist1683]

I have both but iRacing wins handsdown......i dont care about graphics etc...i want intense online battles which you can only find on iRacing.

[@David-nb2bc]

That's not true. There are many online battles in ACC too.

[@Tombstone2211]

Remember when "iRacing vs ACC" was resulting in a chatban? Kappa

[@Eriksonmagno]

Not related to the racing itself but one thing I didn't like about iRacing when I tried it, was that the UI looked pretty outdated and confusing.

[@derekbancarz4530]

Great Vid! I do think realism should be a category personally. Since I will never be fortunate enough to be able to drive an actual GT3 car, I want the closest to life possible version of that in a sim. If that means less/more FFB, easier or harder to drive, or a bit less fun, thats ok if I have comfort knowing thats as close to possible as real life (especially as a VR driver). For the thrill of the drive I still hop on RF2 to hotlap from time to time, but iRacing is so dang convenient to online race at any time it's worth the extra to me. Not to mention it runs incredibly in VR while ACC is uh... ya know in VR.

[@DanSuzuki]

It probably should be - but then you just need a real GT3 driver to give a verdict on that. I'm definitely not able to tell you which one is more realistic - but then again, ask 2 drivers and get 7 opinions 😂

[@fan2hd277]

For VR racer. I have tested all games and in terms of visual quality and performance: 1) AMS2 2) iRacing 3) RaceRoom 4) RF2 100) ACC... because Kunos didn't give a flying shit about VR with the unreal engine (I run an RTX 3090) In terms of fun an engaging racing experience I'll take RaceRoom (especially for the FFB) and AMS2 anyday.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

@@fan2hd277 tbh VR shouldn’t be the main aspect of racing games all the time for my opinion. but it could be better correct

[@fan2hd277]

@@GoatedAtNFS of course you‘re right. But as I only race in VR its pretty much the most important aspect after FFB.

[@fan2hd277]

@Vux it’s because i race only in VR

[@Harahsarper8008]

You lost me when you said realism isn't important, in a sim game. The idea is to give people as close to a comparable experience to the real thing, it's supposed to be a literal simulation of the real physics, handling and performance of these cars.

[@eduardofreitas8336]

Yeah but he never drove a GT3 car in real life, how useful really could he be? We might want to think he could give solid answers, but there are better people to talk to us about that.

[@teambearpope]

Given the choice, if I were just picking "what will I pick to race right now?" and nothing else considered I'd be picking ACC, but I think the way things are ACC is best for the dedicated esports racer who has access to well organised leagues, but falls down for casual daily racing. I do think if there were a dedicated push by Kunos to support a system similar to iRacing it would immediately become everyone's first choice. Also, as someone who has doen work on the scheduling for the GT3 series in iRacing a lot over the years I have to disagree on the "same 10 tracks" point. The selection process is tuned specifically to avoid this, and tracks can't appear in the schedule more than twice every calendar year.

[@Vizual_Racing]

Interesting that somebody would pick ACC over iRacing for anything really. You said you iRaced in the past, not sure if you still do not not, but your comment strikes me as somebody who sits right around the 1.5 to 1.7k irating range, not bad, but not good enough as a sim racer to appreciate how good the car really is. So to you ACC is better because it holds your hand a bit more with the car and training wheel physics.

[@BodieMoto]

@@Vizual_Racing your comment is another reason why people chose ACC, the community of iracing is stain on simracing. Iracing simply existing is bad for sim racing, as it gobbles up so many players and all the US market its essentially the walmart of sim racing, everything is alot more shallow in iracing than ACC. It's like comparing call of duty to airsoft lol neither are real but one is WAY closer to real life and the other is WAY more accessible and easy to find "matches"

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@BodieMoto I'll be 100% I'm right though. That's the thing with you basemen brand sim racers. You pick a title because with your VERY limited skill you can be competitive at it. Like I said previously in another reply to you. I can 100% tell you're a sub 1200 iRating driver, who has tried maybe 10-15 races, can't get a handle on it, off pace by 5 or 6 seconds per lap on short tracks and significantly more on larger ones and thus you dislike the sim. So in turn you gravitate towards the easy to drive stuff like ACC, Project Cars, and other titles that holds your hand so you don't feel bad. Tell me I'm wrong.

[@daviddanser8011]

@@Vizual_Racing ACC is more realistic, iracing is harder to get used to. Project Cars is simcade totally not comparable to acc. Just because a game is harder to drive doesn't make it better.

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@daviddanser8011 You say ACC is more realistic.... but it's not. It's far too forgiving. That does not make it realistic. I'm guessing much like Bodie and the others saying it's unrealistic, you run on the sim, you're horrible at it 1500-1700 iRating at best, and because you're not as "good" at iRacing as you are at ACC "because ACC is sim racing with training wheels", you think ACC is more realistic.

[@stayynfresh]

How do we get kunos to give us a more structured, goal orientated online system?

[@brotakul]

Historically, Kunos relied on community and modders to develop specific areas of their game's experience. And while with ACC and it's licensing this meant modders could not add any additional in-game content such as cars or tracks, solutions like The Sim Grid, Low Fuel Motorsport and simracing.gp stepped up to offer a more comprehensive experience of the open online racing, in addition to the more standard league racing. Given the amount of effort already put into these services, just like SRS did with AC1 and now RaceU continues to do at some extent, I don't think Kunos will try to compete in this area. And it's been 3 years since the game was launched and the development seems to slow down constantly as ACC reached a decent maturity level, so it's really too late for them to do anything about it that they didn't account for in the original project plan. At this point Kunos probably starts shifting the focus on the development of AC2 behind closed doors as the new game is announced to be released in 2024, which makes it even less probable that Kunos would make any major changes or new feature implementations in ACC in the future. For what is worth, ACC as it stands right now, is the final product that may only receive minor patches and bug fixes in the near future, until AC2 hits the shelves. That's at least my take on the matter.

[@twistedstrap]

Can't believe the realism part. Not even sure I'll watch the rest of the video. I'd say in most people's mind the exact reason you said most people we'll never experience driving a GT3 car, IS the EXACT reason why it's important because we want to experience the closest possible thing.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Yes but then at the same time. Dan hasn't driven a real life gt3 car so how is he supposed to know and when it comes to irl drivers they have mixed opinions. Most gravitate towards acc but some prefer iracing too so there is no objective way to tell but both of them are close enough to the real life gt3s that it shouldn't matter which one is more realistic cause at the end of the day they both do a good enough job

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I feel like most real world drivers who are not avid sim racers gravitate towards ACC because its far more forgiving. And they are pro drivers after all, so they should be amazing at sim racing too right? When they jump into iRacing, and they have problems with what you hear everybody bitch about. "The death slide", they are taking the car far over the limits and just dont realize it because they are used to feeling the car under them. In sim, you don't get that. ACC in that regard is FAR FAR more forgiving to a point that it's unrealistic. That's why their track times are sooooo far lower than their real life counterparts. Then you have the real world drivers who are also avid sim racers, and most of them prefer iRacing to other sims. And even the ones that bitch about iRacing, still race on that as their primary sim.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

@@Vizual_Racing that's true but hasn't the recent iracing update made it closer to acc? So is that a realism update or a gameplay update. Also what about the setups in iracing, they all follow the minimum pressure philosophy, is that realistic?

[@Vizual_Racing]

​​ @Utkarsh Chaurasia I don't feel that the most recent update made it closer to ACC at all. In what way do you feel that it has? If we are talking tire model then they are not even close as iRacing fully simulates the entire tire. In regards to tyre pressure, it depends on how you drive. I want my tyre pressure to end up around 27.5 to 28.5 after the tires warm up. After running the Audi R8 LMS at Mid Ohio my tire temps and pressures were very close to what they were in real life when I ran there. Grant it i was a bit more abusive on them in iRacing. No fear of destroying a car or getting hurt in the sim and all, but I was close enough to race pace. There are some things I think iRacing needs to work on in regards to their tire model, and one of them is the starting pressures. But the end pressure and temps are about the same in both sims and IRL.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

@@Vizual_Racing after the latest update it's much easier to catch the cars and attack

[@Bob-huisbaas]

Im just playing both games. But i find myself to just have much better racing in every car on Iracing because people mostly dont want to crash because it has massive implications for them in the end. While in ACC its just a lil bit of SA rating. ACC has good racing in the Ranked races every 3 hours tho.

[@XfarglesX]

ok now do Raceroom. It may be small, but damn it's good.

[@fan2hd277]

much better anyway

[@keepsgoing4evr1]

I looked at my time playing different racing games and I have put a lot more time into Race Room. The new features are great. I do have quite a tough time getting good servers. I'm hoping things pick up as time goes on. On the other hand, some of the best races I've had, have been in iRacing servers. Yes the price sucks. Yes there are idiots from time to time. For the most part though, I have found quite a few people take it more seriously and want to make it to the end of the race. If you can qualify well, you'll be with a group of other drivers that probably have practiced and have some sense. Speaking of practice, if you join practice lobbies you'll start seeing the same people almost every day. You sort of build up a group of drivers and it keeps getting better. If race room keeps growing, they may give iRacing some good competition 🤞

[@BigMeanyVids]

Do you really still feel that way about iRacing handling? That seems like something that was true a year ago vs now as I feel I’m as likely to slide out in ACC as in iRacing with all the recent tire model changes. I do like FFB better on ACC but it’s horrible online system keeps it relegated to just offline for me. Great sim but just missing all the online fun and variety that iRacing brings.

[@eathinnz8925]

ACC definitely needs a completely different online system but it is incredibly good for league racing

[@gregellis444]

have you tried league racing in ACC though?

[@XfarglesX]

RaceRoom might be the best for you then 👀

[@Gino_567]

It just means you've picked up some bad habits and haven't adjusted your driving style.

[@horsefly1020]

For me I have to change my driving style completely from one to the other. I find it hard to go back and forth between the two.

[@Magnazan]

Forgot to mention VR support/performance - ACC is utter trash in that area compared to iRacing. It's a pity they didn't learn from the original AC.

[@FRFM00]

Yes I'm 35 just got a serious rig but with CV1. AC has been incredible. 3070 Giga vision build. Crazy ram etc... Amazing real experience. After 2 month I bought ACC... Ive played it maybe 5 times... It's trash, confusing in VR, framerate choppy... Weird FFB... Feel easier to drive.

[@jimgeroul]

iRacing get 5 points alone from the online racing experience.. there is nothing like it. It's just a matter of what are you looking for.. and thats why everyone drives on iracing 8out10 simracers. i think they just focus on twhat matters the most.

[@daviddanser8011]

That is true, but there are so many leagues and even an entire 'iracing' eco system for acc you can find online. Iracing is more convenient in that, but you can all find it for acc as well.

[@StevePhoenix]

ACC has the LFM league which has ELO and SR and they have races every hour for most of the day. I get it, it's a 3rd party system, but it works as well as iRacing without the extortionate price of admission. The iRacing pricing alone should disqualify it.

[@Hendrycks]

I think iRacing is a clear winner. ACC will get old quickly without updates but a benefit of the sub model of iRacing is that the cars and tracks will get updated over time. Not to mention it incentivizes ppl to commit to iRacing, so the population is always strong. Ppl talk about cost but getting a deal every 2 Black Fridays and buying 2 years at a time makes it cost $7/month. If that is prohibitive, idk how you'd ever budget to afford a wheel, let alone a sim rig. In the end, I consider population and experience in MP above all else, and with iRacings license and skill system alone wins me over.

[@kelvinator5088]

For pure GT3 ACC is the best and this is coming from an iRacer. If I only I could run ACC in VR..

[@andy242headhunter]

IRacing annoys the hell out of me because you buy all the content you need and because of the price paid you feel the need to spend more time playing to get your money's worth. It's at this point it stops being fun, then next season starts you need more content plus subscription fee. I own lots of content but decided I was just throwing more money all the time to the point where you have to keep up subscriptions or lose content I've already paid for, in the end I just cut my losses and was elated when LFM started up.

[@DanSuzuki]

This was a spicy one ... I probably get the question "which one is better" like at least 5 times per stream 😅

[@docx118]

Hey dan, do you like iRacing or ACC more? Comparing iRacing vs ACC which is best? Why do you hate ACC? Why do you hate iRacing

[@f1o7x9]

I’m little confused you say ACC is better but I think you play Iracing more 😂🤣

[@zeekot4064]

Don’t you play iracing more though ?

[@DanSuzuki]

@@f1o7x9 Watch again, especially the part about multiplayer and playing ACC early in the day ... :P Also keep in mind that iRacing is not GT3 only :)

[@Jeckaa84]

That’s because people can’t decide themselves which title they prefer which is imo pretty sad. ACC physics wise. All the rest iRacing for me.

[@backmarkerbob]

iRacing's lack of audio reflections is a place I would love to see them improve. Kudos to them with the new GT3 changes, the incoming graphics change, and how good their rain model looks so far - but adding audio reflections should be the next priority.

[@layingblacklines]

It's meant to be on the agenda. Though it didn't get released in the latest build for the final season of the year. Hopefully as a patch later on. Otherwise it'll be next year or later. The audio guy is pretty adamant that iRacing sounds the best though, which is great for confidence but not so great for hunger to improve. I remember the physics being the same way until it was made painfully obvious that they were talking out of their arse. That said, when they did address the tyres I think they did a great job.

[@backmarkerbob]

@@layingblacklines Yes, I'm thankful for SRO moving to ACC and WEC moving to another platform: it forced iRacing to improve rather than stubbornly insist they were great when they weren't. It's not that iRacing sounds "bad" but missing environmental reflections even negatively affects their NASCAR series, because the sheer thunder those cars create at a plate race is not there - nor is the amazing sound of a field of 911 GT3 Cup cars at a small track like Barber.

[@Gino_567]

@@backmarkerbob It's not just the reflections though. You can hear the engine note sounds almost synthesized in iRacing - where gear changes sound overly sharp and unnatural. The engine note has almost zero low frequencies emanating from it, which gives the car this nasally, thin tone. They sound like a vacuum cleaner. Honestly, i'd expect something that sounds like that from a game that came out a decade ago, Not in 2021. If the audio guy in iRacing is adamant they have the best sound out of the two, then they need to look at getting someone else. That kind of arrogance is what's holding them back IMO. Cars shouldn't sound static and artificial. They should make the hairs on your arms stand up. ACC audio is better, but even that isn't perfect.

[@tehgusbus2716]

What graphics change?

[@bartonez123]

I do both. Honestly both are very close in terms of feel. ACC is fun to veg out with some single player action. I do spend more time in multiplayer, and ACC unfortunately is poor in this respect (both in quality of racing and the level of competition) so iRacing kind of wins it by default, but I think there is value in having both.

[@CineGoodog]

I disagree on the part you tell realism is not important. It is exactly because most people doesn't have the chance to drive a GT3 car in real life that is important to have a close experience, me for example I want to feel like driving a Ferrari without even touching one in real life.

[@MrTwangstaable]

I succumbed and tried iRacing, I'm blown away. I thought ACC was great but I think iRacing was a hell of a lot more fun, it's going to eat my wallet. Worth every penny 🤣

[@eduardofreitas8336]

Its the convenience, man. I dont want to jump through hoops to get good racing =/

[@kareemalmond]

“realism isn’t that important” tf is the point of a simulator if it’s not realistic

[@pdresh5009]

You nailed it here. I would add that when it comes to oval racing which is what iRacing was built from, no one does it better. Each sim does their main focus best IMO.

[@th3orist]

i agree, however it seems to me that oval racing is more of a "US thing" than it is in europe or basically the rest of the world. racing on ovals has a long tradition in the united states but is basically absent in europe or asia. so no one does oval racing better because all other serious simracing competitors are not US based. kunos is an italian company, reiza is from brasil, rf2 studio is from the netherlands etc. It would be interesting to know how many people are racing on ovals that are not living in the US or are not US citizens.

[@Vizual_Racing]

​@@th3orist I can give you those numbers actually. iRacing keeps track of things like that. ARCA Series: USA: 95,311 World: 24,119 Advanced Legends Series USA: 61,184 World: 21,099 Indy Car Oval Series: USA 23,114 World: 18,275 Late Model Series Open Setup: USA: 12,265 World: 3,220 Late Model Series Fixed Setup: USA: 16,037 World: 4,818 NASCAR Class A Fixed: USA: 49,390 World: 12,004 Rookie Street Stock: USA: 63,012 World: 31,110 C Class Street Stock: USA: 20,631 World: 3096 Super Late Model Fixed: USA: 11,328 World 1,200 If you want to know any of the road results or numbers just let me know.

[@th3orist]

@@Vizual_Racing thank you for these numbers, so basically they back up the general direction of my post in terms of oval racing in general, good to see.

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@th3orist Shockingly the US has a very strong representation in most road stuff too.

[@Vizual_Racing]

On the road side in every single series USA has the most representation. With the exception of V8 Supercars. Aussies take that hands down.

[@1PHXTHUG]

Way to walk a fine line - Uh, their both good. I default to iRacing because I pay for it yearly - I MUST play it often to get my monies worth. Also, everyone in iRacing is racing from the cockpit view, which I feel is more fair when racing real people online. ACC players can switch to a chase cam at the start and avoid turn one crashes, because they can see farther ahead. Thanks Dan - you are always entertaining to listen to!!! It's gotta be your accent.

[@gautamkrishna7421]

That’s true, but I’ve also never seen anyone use chase cam ever as it’s not dynamic and almost impossible to drive with. Anyways the proximity HUD is way more useful :)

[@Koopid]

Hardly anyone uses chase view. There are people using hood cam tho which gives a great advantage in rain because of visibility. In multiplayer there should be an option as server administrator to lock to cockpit views only.

[@1PHXTHUG]

@@gautamkrishna7421 No one would post a video of them using chase cam for fear of being labeled a cheater. In every other game except iRacing - you can quickly switch the cam on the straight to see potential hazzards, then switch back in time to drive the corner. At least with iRacing I KNOW no one can use the chase cam.

[@1PHXTHUG]

@@Koopid I agree - all online races should be locked to cockpit cam, but it's really up to the person that set-up the lobby to be sure.

[@srxshadow]

hmm... realism should be top in the ranks! strive to provide an accurate representation of racing GT3 by using the most "correct" physics approach.

[@David-nb2bc]

Have you ever driven a real GT3 car? How can you and what are you compare it with if you have never driven a real GT3 car?

[@leem0401]

Which one is more realistic is literally what people look for in a sim. If you don't consider that, how can you compare sims? Regardless of if people will ever drive GT3 in real life, consumers want the most authentic experience.

[@SoCartoMusic]

This is a misleading comparison because of the fact that limiting the content to GT3 captures 100% of ACC and like 12% of iracing. For that reason alone the comparison is null. Additionally, VR is a major part of the fun and experience of sim racing. The omission of VR and various car classes makes it seem like the video is trying to give ACC a chance to compete. I have both. I don't play ACC because I don't like the way the cars are animated (i.e. the cars skate because the wheels rotate at like 1/10 speed), the replays are limited/boring and the VR performance is crap even on my RTX3080. I really wish we had iracing race experience with ACC presentation. That would be something.

[@daviddanser8011]

He clearly states, 'which is better for GT3 racing'

[@MarkRuijgrok]

So if ACC had iRacings online experience, there wouldn't even be a doubt which is better, but ACC would have to switch to subscription model also. However, I like to race in VR, ACC is too resource heavy for that so for me ACC is not even a consideration...

[@vx220ukct]

Also, for online you need a solid netcode and while iracing does have it’s share of “netcode” incidents acc is far worse, cars bounce around, float off track, go all meh when you hit someone.. And talking of hitting someone, damage in iracing is far far superior to anything out there! Especially with the new damage model for the looks, the more realistic time it takes to repair things in iracing is excellent!

[@BodieMoto]

you absolutely do not need to switch to a subscription model to do iracing, ACC LITERALLY has iracings systems to a smaller extent built in with its RANKED racing. If they just expanded that it would be fine. Renting maybe 50 servers straight up doesnt not cost alot of money lol iracing has completely brainwashed the sim community as if server costs ARENT public lol sorry, but I hate that people say this soo much. Iracing just takes advantage of you not realizing that servers dont cost that much money, and your next argument will be "the money goes to developing the simulation" and thats just straight up bs as Kunos was able to far outpace them in development while making their games cost as much as a single car and track in iracing this is simply no argument for the pricing besides just loving capitalism, the funny part is iracing would make MORE money if they went free to play today because everyone who is every gonna spent thousands on that already has and anyone who doesn't like to get fucked by the walmart of simracing wouldn't try it unless it had a fair pricing model.

[@GokuTheHusky]

I always say should a gt3 Porsche one of the best handling cars in the world should be hard to handle? That's why I play ACC.

[@TooBizarreJulian]

i find it way easier in iracing than acc, but it also depends on the setup

[@jeremyleemartens801]

Every GT3 broadcast chat: "is this real or ACC?" "It's real..." This dude: "on graphics, both get a point" Lol. If you have a problem with the sharpness, you can change it. There is a specific setting for that, even explaining how to do it

[@Dylan-180]

the fact i can race so many different things in iracing is what does it for me

[@David-nb2bc]

Well, AC blows iracing away in regards to variety of cars and tracks with mods. The best thing is, they are all FREE.

[@Dylan-180]

@@David-nb2bc yeah the original ac is my favourite car game, acc not so much

[@maciejt8958]

iRacing high price + irating and sr system makes one difference- nobody is racing for fun, there are no kids or idiots ramming everyone, nobody is malicious due to risk of ban after report. Every single race is full of tryhards- no casual players. It gives a nice feeling that you race in some league in real life (I am racing in real life also). This game is far more competitive than any other sim on the market. You do not sit into car for 1h per week to win anything in real life- the same in iRacing. You train for a few days for 3-4h per day to even start first race of the week to drive on the edge of the seat for 1h or 45minutes race for 110% of your comfort zone. After that you are all sweat, hearth is pumping blood as creazy during every start of the race. In ACC you race for nothing. In comparision I would play ACC if simracign would be just a relax after work. When you sank into it and you are racing for points, for results, not for fun- iRacing is the only option. ACC- great game and sim, great car feeling- cheap option. iRacing- great racing simulator and very expensive option for someone that is lacking money- for me in comparision to real trackday costs its nothing. I have almost all the sims on the market- and I always return to iRacing. It makes you frustrated, makes you scared about your evening. Makes you want to rip off you steering wheel of the rig and destroy screens. I already destroyed my Oculus after being collided in the end of very important 24h race. Only iRacing gives such an emotions- this is why this game even which crap visuals wins.

[@Sparx63]

I am not looking on video about 2 simulators comparing where you dont talk about realism... It is meant to be as realistic as possible and it is the main thing of the word simulator.... If you want a fun GT3 racing game you can go play GTA V mod some car to look a like GT3 and you will have fun destroying other cars with explosives.... Simulators are meant to be real not fun.You have fun in simulator if you like the game and thats absolutely a personal view so from me this is a no to this video

[@ludocattin2788]

Regarding the setup, iRacing is clearly the winner, because it provides very good setups to the users.

[@ChristianSachaNovak]

I’m interested why you would dismiss realism. If you put it into a scale of Doom 3 being the most unrealistic racing sim to iRacing being the most realistic you can see there’s an advantage of being close to real. In the context of sims, it’s not really a matter of if you have or ever will drive a GT3 car, it’s the psychics of driving that are the important part with closer to real being the advantage, because we are all pretending we are real world race drivers. If this wasn’t the case, we could just put a skin on outrun and be done with it.

[@BodieMoto]

because it's not even close ACC is by far more realistic lol it's a pointless conversation I would say the same about online play too, as iracing absolutely crushes ACC in online play

[@DanSuzuki]

It's very simple ... I have never ever driven a GT3 car in real life, so how should I know. Always find it kinda hilarious when simracers try to compare realism of different sims when all they did was maybe take a corner a bit quicker in their Opel Corsa 😅

[@ChristianSachaNovak]

@@DanSuzuki Depends on what you mean by realism. I would never argue that a sim can replicate what its like to drive a real GT3 car. However the closer it gets to real physics the more I feel like I am learning skills that can be used in the real world. I guarantee when I go to Brands Hatch that I will be able to drive it 100 times better than if I had never been in the sim. Thats when it translates to a sim rather than a video game. I mean it is a video game, but every single effort made is to bring it as close to real world physics and graphics as can be.

[@ChristianSachaNovak]

@@BodieMoto I would have agreed until the recent update in iRacing. Not that the sort of realism you are talking about is what I am talking about, but comparing them now in GT3 I prefer iRacing my a large amount.

[@ChristianSachaNovak]

@@DanSuzuki why don't you play GTsport then?

[@Curratum]

It's never a contest when one game requires you to buy each track separately and has a monthly subscription ontop of that...

[@AubryMadgin]

For use in VR, who gets the point?

[@Koopid]

iRacing, ACC is very heavy on resources for VR. If you have a really good setup and tweak your settings both in the VR kit and the game you can get it working

[@socialsolo2073]

99% of people in the comments have not driven a GT3 Car. I am brand new to both games. iRacing online setup is MASSIVE, I am someone who is highly interested in playing in a professional environment regardless of cost, with good online competition, rankings, etc. I have a controller right now, so I cannot vouch for anything to do with the vehicles handling but I will say that iracing is appearing to be more promising for the racing experience, online experience, and actually taking events and such. As far as ACC goes, it seems like a more forgiving potentially "less realistic" rear-end sliding, however, I have never driven the cars in real life so I really can't say anything but the "forgiveness" of ACC vehicles, as I have never driven a GT3 car I can't actually comment about it. In-case you guys missed it, the point behind this is if you haven't driven a GT3 car in real life on a track you should just shut the fuck up and play the game you enjoy most

[@mateuszzdyb3547]

very helpful. thank you!

[@HH-xf9il]

iRacing's cost + also a subscription model on top ! (WTF) grants another point for ACC imo... iRacing has the ring though

[@yutellan]

If you have an entry level steering wheel, you should definitely try ACC. That game makes you feel your T150 like a Fanatec.

[@vx220ukct]

I drive a lot on track in real life and i’ve always thought that acc was just easy mode, far too forgiving at the limit, on the flip side iracing was artificially more difficult.. i think that boils down to the tyre model, for example when the gt3 cup porsche span, that was an obvious flaw in the tyre model at a specific point (slow corners) i wish they would get it right.. also on the grass and sand in iracing is like driving on ice, another huge irritation. I think if iracing could address those inconsistencies and make it a bit more forgiving (S4 gt3 tyres have done a good job here) then i think iRacing would (for me at least) be the leader in realism.. i like how in iracing you need to spend time with the cars and learn how they work before you are competitive. In acc you can just jump in anything and be quick straight away which i dont find that rewarding.

[@th3orist]

i get where you come from but to me ACC has this good old "easy to learn, hard to master" vibe going for itself. Yes its 'easy' to jump in and be reasonably fast, but with GT3 cars its all about the last 5% that you either can squeeze out of them or not, and thats where the learning curve gets very steep.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Yeah I don't agree, I don't think you can be quick right away. Like you can be okay but if you wanna be quick you have to put in some time with the car and track combos, the setups, the different track conditions, etc

[@gameurai5701]

@@th3orist ACC is anything but easy to learn, hard to master. It's one of the most difficult sims out there.

[@eduardofreitas8336]

@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I also play Iracing but I agree with you, the cars in ACC are very rewarding to master, haldle differently to one another. Same in Iracing tho, to be fair. But first they need your 11 dollars

[@Lexxo777]

Is it true the latest update for iRacing has a new tyre model for GT3's?

[@Bobbarker23455]

Its true

[@niteowl360android]

Great comparison and video. Thank you

[@LemtemPoktui]

1:08 I'm sorry but that is a fundamentally flawed argument. The reason why us "sim racers" care about realism is because WE WILL NEVER get to drive these cars in real life. That's why having an uber realistic sim racing title like ACC/iRacing/AMS2/rFactor2 combined with high end sim rigs gives us a glimpse into what it feels to be driving these race cars. If you just want to have fun without immersion, a G29+Forza is gonna do just fine. Anyone who's spending over 10k on a sim rig wants to experience realism. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

[@dextermorgan4093]

From what I am getting from this video is AAC is closer to an arcade Sim. Multiple people have said AAC cars easier to handle. But is the car that easy to handle in real life? I mean he pretty much opened up with “you don’t know what’s real so who cares.”

[@shorty808100]

I can’t wait for Jan 21st for my computer to get here so I can finally try ACC and IRacing

[@OverTake_gg]

Enjoy it when the time comes! 🙏

[@danielharris3827]

I am a modest man and the subscription cost of iRacing has been and will be a barrier to even playing it. I do have fun playing ACC!

[@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames]

It’s really not that bad and for me, it’s miles ahead of other sims. It’s been out for over a decade and it shows.

[@danielharris3827]

@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames not that bad... a basic is $120 a year I got ACC and ALL the DLC on sale and, OWN it for $90

[@Scireforall]

You should mention the price for Iracing that you need to buy the cars? And monthly subscription fees too

[@cbrdealer]

ACC is the better sim imo. The problem is as someone in the US finding competitive online racing is next to impossible. Unless you find a 3rd party site and even then the balance of skill is typically massive. ACC is a single player title in my eyes and iracing is actual online racing. I wish ACC had iracings online system, that would be the dream.

[@eduardofreitas8336]

Have you tried low fuel motorsport? Im also with iracing for the same reasons but might try lfm out. Wonder if its good for americans tho (south american here, almost same time zone). I would be completely satisfied with raceroom ranked if it wasnt populated only at european times.

[@vibrationNC]

Im 100% iracing for the community and racing availability. ANYTIME, Ovals or road.. In my eyes ACC is still more of a casual video game.. were iracing tends to be more of a sim. I DO see the differences and WISH iracing WOULD ADAPT them... but still.. I'd go with iracing.

[@BodieMoto]

ACC is far more of a simulation lol iracing has more players BECAUSE its a game lol

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@BodieMoto Says the guy with a sub 1000 iRating. I found ya on iRacing now and I was right about you. Typical "I tried iRacing, sucked at it, so the sim sucks" type of noob.

[@BodieMoto]

@@Vizual_Racing what? I'm c class and I barely play, you found the wrong guy

[@Vizual_Racing]

@@BodieMoto being C class has nothing to do with your iRating. Bodie N. Wont put your full last name :) from NE - C class with a 900 iRating. Last played 9/18/2021. Don't front and pretend its not you lol.

[@ThePurpleGoose023]

@@Vizual_Racing Why does it matter if someone's good or not? Real drivers have tried ACC and testify to how realistic it's simulation is. IRacing is great, the best online lobbies in sim racing, best ranking system, best oval racing, ect. ACC does one thing and does it great, GT3s in ACC are more realistic, just finding a way to race online is the tough part.

[@BelgianSimRacing]

ACC in combination with LFM is a great addition like Iracing his iRating.

[@robcampbell6099]

Dan you sell out. ;) I like both games... really wish ACC would develop a proper online multi-player system. I would use it so much more. Racing AI gets tiring.

[@ed3192]

very right about iRacing and the porsche gt3... You have to drive it as though you were driving on ice or else the car spins out of nowhere.

[@MatthewRSimpson]

Dan how is your score affected now that Low Fuel Motorsport is getting more popular for ACC?

[@olavafargamer757]

iRacing or ACC, I chose Raceroom... From the comparison above I would probably go for iRacing though as I will value accessibility of races to enter quite high once I think I'm ready for real races (Raceroom is not great in this departement either). I do already own ACC though... In ACC I have never been able to enter a race, partly because I ruined my safety rating in the campaign mode (I'm not sure I understood this part fully but I switched to Raceroom and have yet to come back to ACC). iRacing, however, has a horrible payment model so I have not tried that game at all and I do not think I will unless I'm 'forced' by some competition only available at that platform.

[@vibrationNC]

So Dan.. can we get a follow up video on, WHAT you would change.. and the feasibility of iracing actually making those changes? IF said changes were made.. then reevaluate your scores..?

[@joshuajohnson6534]

WOW. You made some very good points! I think Asseto takes the cake here. The only real downside is queue times probably.

[@marijn17s]

In my opinion the tire pressures being SO important in ACC kills the fun quite a bit. Also the force feedback on iracing is objectively better (yes the 60hz is worse than the ACC 400hz) iRacing doesn't have all those added in effects like ACC and many other games. That is because you don't feel it in real life! These extra effects are added in to make it a bit easier but therefore are unrealistic. Also i agree with Dan's argument about the graphics. iRacing is way more natural and especially the movement of the cars is amazing. In replays you can see every tiny move the car makes while in most other sims the cars look a bit floaty and not so lively

[@thatsimracer666]

See i have been playing acc since the day it came to console and I just been playing iracing for about 7 months so far prefer acc but it's just based my feel of the tire models acc to me feels more realistic

[@Coconut_seb]

ACC for GT3/GT4, iracing for GTE ( But don't forget about Rf2 it's a good games too but nobody there :( )

[@Rubensteezy]

This mans entire shelf costs more than my motorcycle

[@th3orist]

i do prefer the colors and the replay looks of iracing over ACC but everything else i like more in ACC. its just me and these are my positives in ACC over iracing 1) graphics 2) sounds 3) ffb+physics 4) value, bang for buck i am well aware that other people feel different about these points and its totally fine we are all simracers after all so as long as we play our sims i really dont care for either game to be THE absolute king. its cool to have a choice to fit for all tastes.

[@armo4594]

ACC all the way, no other sim comes second close period.

[@Vizual_Racing]

How much seat time do you have in iRacing? I run both quite a bit and have no clue how you can say no other sim comes close.

[@Bobbarker23455]

@@Vizual_Racing he's a fanboy not a true sim racer that's why.

[@therealpanahabob]

Realism is Key...We are trying to simulate.

[@phillusderpimmelpilz871]

Dont know why, but i am so much better in iracing, need to improve in acc too, but the ranking system and how people race is so annoying

[@jarek3573]

If we put realism out, I think old AC wins with both above games xD

[@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne]

Answer this question with a question. As not all suits fit all people the same? Ask yourself, "Which sim do I enjoy the most"?

[@eddyrc7]

Feedback fix your mic bass it won't let some people understand you sometimes.

[@lukuxider2000]

Yea - the point here is with ACC you got only GT3 and GT4 cars - iRacing can give you so many different options and GT3/GT4 - driving alone ACC is looking better IMO but iRacing is getting there ! Racing online is on iRacing 100% but this comes with higher cost of using. I was skeptical at first but then I joined and its 9 years of constant racing - swapping series, taking a brakes to come back with stronger participation. Now I bought ACC but I guess it will be just offline racing for me - fun only, almost arcade like.

[@masterarass639]

Good comparison but I think you should put weight on each category, for example online should have more than 1 point at least 2 or 3. Audio like 1 or less, physics 3 to 4. In this scenario the out come will be practical

[@brianjackson1833]

I guess there is not way around this. The elephant in the room in this debate is cost. I think sp1878 has a point as if one is willing to pony up the cash for iRacing it only makes sense they have a wheel and pedals. TBH my biggest problem with iRacing is at the cost you think they would be keeping this game on the cutting edge. Think they are starting to realize this and hopefully we will see continued updates the to the game. For me if I want to run GT3's or GT4's it is ACC all the way and iRacing if I want to run ovals or MX5's.

[@dkb2080]

ACC is awesome

[@rubberonasphalt]

why do i want a sim car to feel like the real thing? Same reason i bought Fanatec gear and cockpit, instead of sitting on my couch with PS4 controller, i want to SIMulate the real experience

[@vjollila96]

one thing going for iracing on online is that track changes weekly so every race wont be on monza or spa atleast that my experience with open lobby racing but ACC is better for GT3 since it was made to be GT3 sim iracing has been built on engine that was used for oval racing

[@GoatedAtNFS]

They haven’t even given ACC an update in 2 months and iRacing updates every week; a game that came out in 2008. I know Kunos is much smaller compared to iRacing devs but their online structure makes it busy online every single day where events rotate periodically, as where ACC you have to setup most of the leagues and lobbies such as CPs you race in.

[@f1game912]

Half of kunos their development team is working on ac2 already. Tbh very understanding considering acc is a one pay game and not a monthly subscription.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

@@f1game912 half of every developer is working on their next game always so to me that’s a dumb excuse because there are smaller companies who still produce more work then the Kudos has made.

[@f1game912]

@@GoatedAtNFS they literally heavily supported it for over 3 years and are still supporting it. It's only logical to move on...