Who Does GT3 Best ? │ Assetto Corsa Competizione + LFM or iRacing

[@RonaldRegain]

LFM needs to bring back multiclass GT3+GT4. Was such a blast during off season. Drove every race GT4s Iwas able to. Please bring back Multiclass, LFM

[@jujojija24]

They said reports would skyrocket as people don't know how to drive multiclass. Would love for them to bring it back with like a 7 or something SR, it being the ultimate experience on LFM, there'd still be crashes but I think it's not the worst solution.

[@rickthomas9894]

Maybe you could test into it? At least then possibly, ignorant behaviors could minimized.

[@FilingAccount]

Flawed review! Clearly is better because and since due to .

[@arccrenshaw8391]

I AGREE (or not)

[@rjdelaney2316]

I think we’re all disappointed RF2 didn’t make the cut for best sim…

[@Pobsworth]

@@rjdelaney2316 ... nah

[@DomGTR_]

Can't wait to see you doing more LFM over the next 28 days

[@ojoj8238]

Evil ahbahahahahahaha

[@AndreMiguelLopes69]

That will be complicated. He was been temporary banned of LFM ! :)

[@DomGTR_]

@@AndreMiguelLopes69 thats the joke :D

[@zeekot4064]

@@AndreMiguelLopes69 lol for what?

[@AndreMiguelLopes69]

@@zeekot4064 You must see his video, but he was kidding, and was temp banned for that. Rules are rules ;)

[@Robin_S78]

I agree. I’ve driven GT3 cars (BMW / Audi) 😊in real life for 2 years in Europe. ACC feels more natural than iRacing in every aspect.

[@kevykevTPA]

@@user-lf7du3ci4c How many actual GT3 cars have you driven in race events?

[@uspnightfire115]

I agree, ACC just feels more natural for GT3 cars. IRacing feels good with formula cars and prototypes, but I never feel at home in their GT3 cars. IRacing's GT3 cars feel floaty and not planted. To me they feel the best in AMS2

[@Illestrapper]

Floaty, not planted, they get odd slides and when they slide they crash out with very little realism when it comes to catching a slide.

[@michal.w.2159]

I prefer ACC myself having played both, i will admit rookie oval in iRacing is one of most hilarious and fun racing i have done in a sim but on the other hand paying 10$ a month to get constantly punted off the track is not for my short temper and lack of patience.

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

I feel weird... I like ACC FFB, it almost feels like that it does not only communicate the wheels but the weight of the car too. Makes me feel that line where the car is still gripping before the horrific silence and slam into the wall xd

[@MylesHimself]

I completely agree but hope on Feb 21st, it will actually be Rfactor 2 + LFM. On the 21st (if they don’t move the update back) Studio 397 is bringing the New Tyre Model to the GT3s. As well as allowing racers to race against content they don’t own 😮. Meaning you won’t have to buy every GT3 car to race (much like Iracing). Rfactor 2 has the best ffb and online with LFM is fantastic we just need more people. Cheers and great video!

[@steelin666]

My biggest problem with ACC is that at this point it feels like a scheme to sell custom setups. People got so good at exploiting its physics that you feel at disadvantage without using such exploit setup and using real life knowledge and common sense instead. This removes any kind of believability from the experience for me.

[@jeeezus]

this

[@jeremyjames8678]

That's nonsense. I can be as fast with stock setups as ones that you pay for. You can learn how to do it yourself, or there are free setups that work well. Setups don't make you faster, if you know how to drive then you can adapt to almost any setup. There are no exploits that make you magically faster, it's a myth.

[@steelin666]

@@jeremyjames8678 If that was true, nobody would bother. And yet people bother a lot. You mention yourself that one can learn to make setups on their own. What's the point if they don't make you faster? You contradict yourself.

[@jeremyjames8678]

@@steelin666 LOL learning how to drive makes you faster. My point is there is no exploit in the set ups. Set-ups make the car easier to drive for your style of driving, it is not going to suddenly take you from last to first. I mentioned doing your own setups because you can, you do not have to buy set-ups, so how is it an exploit? People buy set-ups because they're too lazy or inexperienced to learn how to do it and like you think it will make them winners. Yes I did the same thing, so I know from my own experience buying setups is not an exploit.

[@steelin666]

@@jeremyjames8678 There are physics exploits in ACC, as well as in any other sim. It's a well-established fact. Whether you're good enough to take advantage of them is a different matter, but out of two equal drivers, the one with better setup will be quicker, and the best setups use physics exploits. That's why people buy setups - to gain every competitive advantage they can.

[@jordansomeone2555]

I honestly wish ACC/Kunos got the license to Super GT and the GT500/Class One cars. Would be the one thing that would make me come back to ACC, not saying it isn’t great as it is, but it would really spice things up once again since GT3 is just, well, everywhere these days

[@jj72rg]

seeing how the Super GT calender consist of almost all of the SRO Asia tracks, this is something really really sweet

[@mrmidnight32]

Same!! Super GT would be amazing. Especially the cars of the 90’s! I’ve been begging for that class in a sim. They’re literally what got me into racing games

[@DannyRhym3z]

I think both games are pretty meh for gt3. Iracing will always be my favourite for it's online model Which is unbeaten. Ultimately I find gt3 simply boring af in SIM and IRL unless is involved in multiclass. The gt3s just seem so safe to drive compared to other series, ultimately making it a bit of a snorefest. I kinda hate how it's become the "go-to" racing series when you have far more interesting cars to race. I honestly don't believe that either SIMs physics are accurate, iracing is unfairly uncontrollable at times and ACC is like being on rails where a 2 year old could compete, but looking at onboards and watching irl, ACC does seem more like reality

[@Demps151]

You know what the best one is and this is 100% fact. The one you enjoy the most simple as that, the one where you have fun, and that is different for everyone

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

How that LFM ban totally changed you 😂. Bash ACC like hell now and love iRacing. Trusty reviewer and youtuber 😁👌

[@hooliganracing5110]

Bowling, space station, mainframe and Kray computers.........it's all in there GM style lol. Enjoyed your thoughts on the 2 sims. iRacing is too expensive so I opt out. I don't mind paying a little but I feel like It's a little over the top. Enjoyed seeing you at the ESL event. You're a natural and kept that GM sense of humor rolling. Hope to see you doing more commentary or interviews.

[@XCougar85X]

Nice video and good points. Both have their pro's and cons but as long as iRacing stays with their monetization model i am n0t going back to it, even though i would love to do some multiclassracing again and i love the US tracks more then european ones, bar a few. I am just not going to pay for content + a sub on top. I'll do either, but not both.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

Would prefer either too, evenif slightly more expensive

[@raraserge]

I agree on many, many points of this video BUT I'm using iracing for 1 week now and I learned so much out of it right away. ACC is so fun and really immersive, but in iracing you get that extra of learning trail breaking on an other level. I have a good simrig for 3 weeks now instead of driving on a cheap one on ps4. A different world has opened up and right now, I am hooked on Iracing because it's a lot more complex but hey, that's just my opinion. Cheers!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Thanks for watching ! - I just found out that LFM also has a much stricter rules system than iracing so if you like milsim levels of punishment then its also much more realistic than iracing Well worth getting on LFM if you play ACC or RF2 hopefully they bring the service to AC one day !

[@gasixteenb11]

Yes AC2

[@cavemanindustries5102]

That would be insane if lfm came to AC. “RaceU” was trying to offer a multiplayer service but they kept running into bugs.

[@royjones4871]

The Apollo mission computers you mention is phony bullshit....

[@unotoli]

Why rF2 with upcoming tyre model update is not in comparison?

[@schiedinator8074]

@@unotoli you answered that question yourself. its not released yet.

[@catsdad2662]

You need to pop out and watch a real GT3 race with highly paid professional drivers. You'll be surprised at how entertaining it is.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I did and it was awsome ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gn7Nm5mslMqWp8k&ab_channel=GamerMuscleVideos

[@fingers68]

Only using VR for driving, it's the only way for my enjoyment. These are my go to's for various reasons. I like how all these feel for various cars, classic, historic and modern. But they all run great in VR. ACC is no longer installed, let's see what AC2 is going to be like. No VR support for Rennsport apparently so that will be side swiped sadly. IRacing rF2 Richard Burns Rally AC Dirt2 AMS2

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Solution to acc in VR problem is the 4090. Unfortunate but it really works. Looks very good

[@CharlesK441]

@@L_Emir_de_Passy sadly can't afford one of these cards 😢

[@valentiniliev3261]

Nice video! I would love to see such a comparison between ACC and rF2 as well.

[@A-man-yf6pr]

I feel like the videos that I see of sim racing on KZbin are of a much better quality than what I am actually seeing on my screen when I am playing. Do you find this to be true in your case as well?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Video encoding kinda smooths driving footage out and makes it look more filmic , I also race at 4k and this video is then like 2560 so its like if you played the game with 2xssaa or something lol. I should do a video on this topic I think its quite interesting

[@A-man-yf6pr]

@@GamerMuscleVideos You should and thank you for the response. I’ve always wondered why I can’t get the quality of what I watch on KZbin in my actual gaming. I come closest in GT7 with a PS5 hooked to a 42” LG CS2 OLED but ACC on the same still kinda sucks.

[@konwershp89]

as i agree for the most part i wont agree with iracing winning in fps because its game from 2001 and it looks like 2001 game and if you play race 07 you will play this in 4k at apollo ship but it shouldnt be a thing. acc is on another level visualy, i could agree that ams2 looks better and have better optimalisation but iracing doesnt get close to even be a competition.

[@mac119ify]

I would love to main ACC but sadly in canada there are simply not enough races on LFM in my time zone. A real bummer :(

[@heyzuze5649]

as always Happy Christmas 🎄

[@deansheasby7547]

I would be interested in a comparison video from acc to rf2 now the update in rf2 has dropped

[@firacingast]

Entirely undeniable that ACC is better than iRacing in terms of the simulation in this regard and LFM fills the active community issue many games fall prey to. AC3 is what I have my eyes set on. I trust Kunos and am hopeful AC3 will support the modding scene that made the original so great, while bringing the physics and UI improvements expected of a modern sim. I do race GT3 occasionally but am more of a prototype and open wheel driver. I do get a lot of joy from ACC, but iRacing is still my main sim due to the variety. I can race Vee this week, or the W13, or the iR-04, or the Bathurst 12H. That diversity is what I love. And AC3 can potentially match that.

[@bradmccombs3925]

I always hear you talk about the iracing handling. Wierd because I feel it's way more lifelike then a.c.c. in many ways. I can race extremely close with other cars in vr to were we are almost touching and no net code. It was some time last year when I really saw a bad net code experience. There have been so many updates to improve that. The snap oversteer is real when your moving at i0 mph through a corner too. Just watch some of those nords videos of open track day. Lol. Admittedly it was also worse last year too. That has even been improved. I can catch slides consistently now since almost half a year ago. The payment model does really suck. It is rediculus. We also should be able to play offline. With that amount of investment. Why can't I run around a track with ai or alone with no internet. But yea. A.c.c physics feel really off to me acctually. I honestly think raceroom feels better. And for vr there is no match to iracing. Hands down. It's way easier on your pc. Triple screens on a gtx 970 ..... no problem getting 120hz.

[@EmanHowells]

It's ok we are here for you about a year of therapy we can get you off the iracing arm needle

[@bradmccombs3925]

@@EmanHowells I just can't. Lol. I have so many connections and such great racing in iracing. I've tried to run a.c.c. many times just isn't immersive to me. I did however sign up for the new rennsport beta. I'm hoping it turns out to be a good alternative.

[@EmanHowells]

@@bradmccombs3925 I signed up for rensport as well hopefully we get picked. I sighed up for a year of iracing even though I can afford content I can't find myself into buying more just out of principal. I own all of race room and acc. Acc was only good after I upgraded from the CSL elite to the r9/fsr wheel now I'm loving acc. But the only thing is now that I've been on acc where is feels raw raceroom feels to gummy.. I don't think I will be renewing iracing

[@w0rthy390]

Sorry to hear

[@rjexe1713]

@@bradmccombs3925acc is mainly gt3 and james baldwin gt3 driver said acc gives best feeling

[@cavemanindustries5102]

Acc even runs on my potato. Amd black something (30% slower than i5) + 1050 TI. A lot of the newer tracks don’t run very well but most are good enough to have fun on. And when it lags you just accept that as part of the challenge!

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

It runs but looks horrible.

[@jamesbryant8133]

I can run at 4k with max settings on a i5, 16g ram, and a 3060ti (8g) with zero lag. I do cap at 60fps though but happy with that (ex console player) It's only ams2 that gets the fans running

[@layingblacklines]

You should try the rF2 GT3s again after the release on 21st of Feb. Also, though iRacing tyre model is a pile of steaming shit right now, they have Terrence who used to work on rFactor on the team. Hopefully he can sort them out. Would be interesting to play iRacing when it's driving experience is a little more natural.

[@gavracing]

Please don't let my channel name give you an aneurysm 😂 I quite like the fact that small mistakes can lead to big crashes but that's mainly because I find it funny. But I mainly play iRacing because I find making videos on it to be very satisfying due to its replay system and I don't really care much for GT racing. If I was a GT racer though, I'd be all over ACC.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah iracing replay and voice chat and other structure is so much better than most sims

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

I'd love to see something different than GT3 become "the main thing" in simracing. ACC arguably offers best GT3 experience out there BUT driving GT4 is much more fun. Sadly noone cars about GT4. And then I still prefer driving those cars in original AC. Despite much worse tire collisions (e.g. on kerbs) and "makeshift" physics of GT4 mods, wider variety of cars, tracks and much, much better FFB is just more fun.

[@brett22bt]

I know it's been used many times, but I love the "Stockholm syndrome" analogy for iRacing. It's a perfect fit.

[@gupiwa]

Sunk-cost fallacy is the term for the psychological phenomenon where one gets "financial Stockholm Syndrome". It's only natural to want to justify our own actions and when those actions include spending extortion amounts of money then the justifications start to sound a bit syndrome-y.

[@brett22bt]

​@@gupiwa Well put. I sunk a couple of hundred into it about 10 years ago, but I didn't renew when they tried to charge me twice for my subscription. Several emails back and forth confirm my suspicions about their extortionist behaviour. I cut my losses, and have been a vocal critic ever since.

[@atlantic_love]

Everyone seems to be attacking iRacing, and while it's an ugly game, it has the best competition and ranking system out there. Why do we not focus on why iRacing hasn't improved its graphic and animations systems?

[@brett22bt]

@@atlantic_love That's not what we're complaining about. We're saying it's a rip-off.

[@atlantic_love]

@@brett22bt So, you're just ocmplaining to be complaining? Gotcha. The thing is, you look silly when you don't have any suggestions as to how IRacing can do things so that you won't think it's a "ripoff". I think you're just looking to fit in with the rest of the whiners, but you don't really know what you're talking about.

[@ateamm]

If only I was fast enough to qualify for it. As an iRacing main I have a hard time adapting to ACC

[@mad-b264]

I have read that from a lot of people, I still not bought iRacing, And I got a PC not only for iRacing, But console sim racing not for me, Too many arcadie types who don't take it serious when I do, For me sim racing have helped me escape a world that would of ended up killing me, Also helps anxiety some times, Still tho for me sim racing is more than just a game you stick on, Its achieving purple lap times on the Nordsliefe, Still My fav track, lol after months of practice as well self satisfaction, When you getting same lap times as the pro sim racers gives you a little mental boost... Plus Sim racing is a great way of exercising your brain lol......

[@ImLehwz]

@@mad-b264 so what sim do you play?

[@mad-b264]

@@ImLehwz AMS 2 is my go to Sim at the moment, I am now on a PC, An i5 12600k with a 12gb 3060, Not high end but still enough to get mid to high settings, I also just got a Quest 2, gutted I never got the Quest 3 now though, Because after trying VR this time round as last time VR wasn't that good in my eyes, Until now, VR is going to take over, I would imagine now a fair few people are using VR in iRacing, I hear iRacing is pretty bad ass in VR, I am thinking of seeing if it is possible to stash back enough to get the Pimax 6k VR, I seen it for 600 pounds, But the Quest 3 being 450 pounds is amazing value, Even better bang for your VR buck is the Quest 2, I think the Quest 2 have out sold any other VR headset, Oh and now I am in VR with Sim Racing, I cannot go back to my TV for Sim Racing when VR is like stepping into my TV screen, lol, But yeah Dirt Rally is fantastic, Amazing, And it shows if Dirt Rally 2 can be so good in VR then most other Sim titles should be good as well, I will say that AMS 2 is pretty bad ass in VR, Being able to still race online in VR even with people who is not in VR, Racing online blows my skull open, lol, Not really but damn Sim Racing is great fun using the Quest, I would love to see what the Quest Pro or the Rift is like, If the Quest 2 is bottom of the line so to speak, But yeah I only bother with AMS 2, And Beam NG, But racing Sims it is AMS 2 for me, The multiplayer isn't that bad, I do want to try iRacing though, I think with the competition on iracing I could learn a lot, Just my pocket won't let me pay for everything you needs in iRcaing, Gettin just one car and track would wind me up because I couldn't afford a list of cars, lol, It is what it is I guess, lol....

[@ruslanbulan8805]

@@mad-b264 ye i was in an abusive relationship and it gave me a universe to dedicate myself to that gave me the balls to leave and deal with the mental breakdowns I had during the relationship. I'm healthy and happy now and I have the mental capacity to get back into living in my car and surfing, having good connections with people, etc... because of sim racing. So many hundreds of hours while I was completely seperated from reality. it's a very safe and relativley, very very cheap alternative to surfing/sports or go karting, real drifting/racing that is damn near impossible to dedicate yourself to when you're all fucked up physically or mentally. It's a beutiful thing I'm very happy people are so passionate about it. There's not a lot of places in life where you can be very fragile, insecure, depressed, whatever and be safe and vulnerable in your house to build your strength back up. You can really get fucked up trying to maintain a normal life when you're sick and simracing gives you a very safe and great way to be social, get invested in cars, physics, gear, meditate and calm down, have something interesting to share with your friends, whatever,. It's great just by itself not just cause you can do it at home but that's a very unique amazing thing that not a lot gives you.

[@GSSimRacing]

It's tough to take on and beat ACC in the GT3 genre. I'm surprised you find the ffb really bad in ACC. I think ACC and AMS2 have similar and brilliant ffb. The information it feeds you is very, very similar through the wheel. I'd say your settings may be off a bit.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I have 4 DD wheels a G25 , T300 , CSLE and have played ACC on tons of different rigs and even played on the SRO rigs. In all cases FFB has no dynamic range for the limit the game literally doesn't put out the information in the FFB. So no it's not "my settings"

[@GSSimRacing]

@@GamerMuscleVideos well I can feel the limit just fine in acc. Your prob running Nat dampers or something. What you explain is not normal for acc... strange.

[@bhendrikabel]

ACC ffb is just fine.

[@mustangroadracer]

As an iracer that started in 2008. I recently quit due to all the empty promises and out right lies about claimed future development and switched to ACC for all the reasons mentioned here. Great video

[@jamiemb17]

Could you detail those for me? I'm just starting out myself (and enjoying it a lot 😆)

[@mustangroadracer]

@@jamiemb17 Put it like this, everything they have been saying they will have done/fixed in future updates, is the same thing they have been saying since around 2011

[@Xzibitfreek]

One thing I dont like about ACC is the damage model. To me it just seems way too forgiving. A crash that would end your race in iRacing and real life would be a few minutes complete repair in ACC. I do love endurance racing and multiclass to me is an essential part of endurance racing because most endurance races are multiclass races irl as well and ACC does have the ingredients for that with the GT4 cars, PCUP, Trofeo and so on but the problem of course is that these classes are completely dead. And to me personally, the Nordschleife is kinda missing where these cars would almost naturally find a decent playerbase. So until AC2 and maybe Rennsport come out, iRacing will be my go-to sim.

[@yanushkowalsky1402]

Doesn't iRacing have quick repairs though? ACC has definitely different approach to damage than iRacing but that makes the game more easy for our nerves which James mentions.

[@w1ldwesty]

Pretty much nailed it for me. I'm only an occasional racer now, maybe 5-6 races a week max, and gave up my iRacing subscription last year after about 5 years and god knows how many £££'s in cars and tracks and moved to ACC and LFM. I just got fed up of the costs, spikey handling ruining races. Given the low number of races I'll probably get 3-4 decent enjoyable races in a week with ACC\LFM whereas with iRacing I might have got 1 or 2. And kangarooing cars does my head in !! But I do miss the occasional oval race for shits and giggles. I'll stick with ACC for now I think.

[@thenonadventure]

rFactor 2 has the best GT3 cars. The physics and FFB is unrivaled. The graphics and UI still leave a lot to be desired but you won't find a more accurate grid.

[@nuztuz903]

nah. the rear tyres break grip before the front tyres do and it is faster not running tc and abs than with. currently they feel nice to drive but don't really act like gt3 cars. we'll have to see what the update brings

[@sausagedodgersracing]

Each to there own, personally I think iracing GT3 is far better than ACC

[@Aleksandar-r4b]

I do not have a PC yet, so I have never tried iRacing, AMS2, RR or RF2, which brings me to this video, to decide should I get iRacing and a $3000 PC with triple 32” 1440p screens / …that immersion everyone is talking about / or just stay on ACC and spent only $800 for a super ultra wide 49”? I haven’t tried LFM yet, because I am still building a SR. From what I’ve seen every racer or ex racer is on iRacing and from what I’ve heard- racing schools as well, that alone should speak for itself which one is better and more realistic. And is probably a lot of fun to race against famous racers if you get to that level as well. With all this knowledge they have, I can imagine the satisfaction of winning or even passing some of them. I like ACC and I am having fun, but I am chasing the Ultimate experience. FFB feels decent on ACC to me, but I am with a Fanatec GT DD Pro 8nm, so entry level DD / another reason to upgrade to PC /. By the way best driving experience I have is from Dirt Rally 2.0 , I can feel the gravel under the tires or on which wheel I am landing after huge jump in Finland and when I lose control for a tenth of a second, when I don’t land perfectly, but regain control by a miracle, the grip on a hot tarmac in Spain or the frozen roads of Monte Carlo, the sense of speed, ACC doesn’t come close. I can slide when half the car is on grass, drift thru the turn with a handbrake and use an H- Patern shifter , the car is a lot more dynamic and moves up and down too. And these Group B rally cars from the 80’s are nuts and blast to drive!!!!! In DR 2.0 is more about fast reaction than precision in trail braking. But I love competition between people, not just some leaderboards of lap times. I like the existence of other cars on the track and trying to avoid a crash or pass while chasing the perfect racing line. But to speak purely for driving experience DR 2.0 is almost perfect considering the fact is 5 years old already and it has a really good FFB. So really I don’t see the point to go PC if iRacing is not good. And Fanatec just came out with the new ClubSport DD+ which has 15nm of holding torque. If braking is not so precise in ACC as in iRacing and for rally you don’t really need a Heusinkveld Ultimates I can save a $4000 from not going to high end PC, triple 1440p monitor setup and high end pedals. I can just spend the $1000 for the new Fanatec wheel base and $800 for the super ultra wide 49” monitor and save myself a lots of money!

[@GMCRaptor]

Spot on review 👍🇦🇺

[@Hatredy11]

The Ui in ACC needs work, IMO. It isn't intuitive. I shouldn't need Google to find and change the FOV setting.

[@AndrewPeddie]

the answer is neither because all GT3 racing is bad

[@xRockee]

i love that this just turned into a giant IRacing rant, screw IRacing i just want literally anyone else to creative a comparative competition system

[@rickervine]

I believe iracing is based on circle track physics which explains the slides.

[@lloydc94]

I’ve always thought this too. In iRacing it’s like a cliff when it comes to slip angle, after you go over that, it’s ice. Whereas in acc the car still feels like it’s a car. If iRacing would work on their tire model a little more and add a little grip after the slip limit, it would be great

[@jeremysumpter8939]

And speaking of netcode, I was racing taladega last week and my car exploded from a car that was 5 cars away from me and oposite side of the track, was the CRAZiest netcode i had ever seen

[@mikelshwede]

Nail on the head. Did a fair bit of LFM and ACC over December. Came back to iRacing this week for Bathurst 12. IRacing just feels crap, the tyres still feel like they are made of marshmallows, the audio is average at best and it just looks so unbelievably dated. ACC is just such an overall better GT3 package it’s not even close and that’s coming from someone who has spent a lot of money on iRacing.

[@jeremysumpter8939]

IRacing just said they have the most advanced tire model in the industry...I think they race to many different cars on the same tire model. Nascar feels ok, gt3/most road cars feel terrible. The smallest grass touch, curb check, lock up, small slide out of the corner and it feels like it turned to an icetrack. Drifting a corner is a normal thing for racing and its just damned impossible to do in iracing.

[@mad-b264]

But its not got the Nordsliefe, I can only imagine how many people will buy a Nordsleife and Le-Mans as a little bonus DLC.. I find Race Room is more addictive for me, Now I have not tried multiplayer in Race Room which I should, But the AI is absolutely fantastic, I can actually say Race Room can improve your driving by using the AI as a coach lol..... Plus the cars are not 11 quid, Tho Race Room Nor jokes aside, I find Race Room probably the best for me at the moment, I will say that with a few new sims due this year, I am wondering if Renn sports will outclass any other sim title?? When is Renn sport release date?? But yeah myself I have spent more time on Race Room and AMS2 than any other Sim title, I will be focusing on entering some races this year, Now I feel confident enough and I am getting purple lap times, Especially the Nordsliefe, My fav track of course, I got some really good times going now, In most cars, Just learning in the V8 beasts the back end is a swinger, lol.. But yeah I actually think I can win some Nordsliefe Races, Plus I just been diagnosed with LBB, A heart disease thats scary, So its a complete lifestyle change for me, Got do a certain earth foods diet Great and a long term heart plan, But the great thing about Sim racing is I can compete at something I enjoy without risking my heart levels to go crazy high, Looks like I will have to get a pacemaker put in like my sister and mom.... But yeah for me Race Room got something really addictive about it, Might be the sound they got almost perfect, Or the tire model, Either way I am getting huge enjoyment when I get the purples on the Nordsliefe.... Next is entering races after I been to a scrap yard and buy a proper car seat, an Audi or BMW seat, Will fit to my rig, Any seat will fit to my Rig..... I can't do long races in the seat I got now, And I not got the money for a next level or anything high end.... Still my basic logitech rig does the job, Just you needs to be comfy to stay sat in the seat for a long time, So it's the scrap yard soon as I can get down there.... Still I recommend Race Room even tho you never mentioned it, Race Room is a great sim title.... Great in sight into iRacing, Prob the same reason I still not bought iRacing, lol....

[@jamesbryant8133]

Race room for me. Iracing is for whales and acc looks pretty but feels flat. Raceroom feels chunky in a good way. Cars/tracks are cheap. Looks OK. Multiplayer is fun but no one wants to get out rookie league. Ah well

[@TleafarafaelT]

how much i paid for playing acc+lfm in the last year: $0 easy win

[@blinkybillski]

I thought the iRacing new tyre model is better now since end of last year update. I don’t know for sure I haven’t played it since I ran out of my subscription lol.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

ITs improved a bit but its still nowhere near other sims

[@ryomaprime3130]

@@GamerMuscleVideos recently this year later, iracing said that they’ve achieved a milestone progress in tyre model and other physics, looking forward to it

[@chrisc3825]

I joined LFM, qualified, went to race, and the servers were empty. I’d love to play ACC, but the servers were empty after 8 or 9 PM in the US. That’s useless for me unfortunately.

[@mikecroshaw9233]

Ah, you are on US time, yeah, that is unfortunate and iRacing is probably your best option sadly, in the UK/Europe the 10pm rookie GT3 race last night had 111 people in it. 11pm race had 48 people in it. The 8pm race had 194 people in it. That was just the rookie only GT3 race. The main GT3 race series has far more. It is very UK/europe centric.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I played from 10pm - 9am UK time and there were races. It will probably keep getting more popular.

[@chrisc3825]

@@GamerMuscleVideos may be worth a look again. last time I tried was about 6 months ago. I'll report back

[@brendanmcvicar2024]

I love acc but living in Australia make it hard to play online using lfm with 300 ping sucks so forced to play iracing

[@OhItsThat]

Good old GT3. The Fartnite of sim racing.

[@test868]

Is iRacing still available on punched cards?

[@oskarmihalovic3903]

is it worth the struggling with Logitech G923 and ACC, even if you are so bad that cant win (maybe first 2-3 race in campagine) the easiest difficulty

[@josephdimbylow7769]

What's your I rating mate?

[@kevykevTPA]

My performance in ACC is MUCH better than in iRacing, and that's with all the visual goodies turned up as high as they go on ACC, and NOT in iRacing. Of course, if I'm hankering for a Nascar race, ACC can't help me, but I am starting to think that ACC has a definitive edge in GT3 (which makes sense), so that's where I will be running that series and not (usually, anyway) on iracing, especially if LFM is as good as everyone says. I literally just signed up today and haven't figured a thing out yet, but will. Oh, in addition to being faster, ACC feels like a sim/game that is of recent vintage, whereas iRacing looks about a decade old, so... And the ice-grass thing is inexcusable, as is their inability to park dangerous and obnoxious drivers. Of course, if they did that, it would eat into their revenues, so...

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

As usual. Great video

[@Eric_W]

I didn't hear you mention that iRacing was released in 2008 and ACC was released in 2019... so comparing them without mentioning the 11 years difference isn't very fair. Game engines have come a long ways from 2008 to 2019! (edit: typo correction)

[@abeidiot]

I find a major joy from simracing comes with ffb. wrestling the car in real time. Due to how the ffb feels a bit flat in both these games, mastering them feels a bit more like memorizing what to do than reacting with feeling You had mentioned how GT3 in simracing feels too tame, I guess that's because these 2 are the best gt3 sims

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

exactly my view as well

[@mikecroshaw9233]

Try the RF2 ones after the tyre upgrade this week. Or try the current GTEs, they provide exactly what you describe is missing IMO, just needs more online options to race them. Once the new packaging system comes in we might see more options on LFM for RF2.

[@GSSimRacing]

ACC has quite lively ffb. Perhaps wheel settings?

[@danielkral3046]

​@@GSSimRacingACC's FFB was disappointing for me as well. Despite spending around 10 hours trying different settings, cars, and setups, the feedback wasn't good at all. Perhaps if you get used to it, it won't bother you anymore, but when compared to rFactor2, I don't even want to try it any more.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

ACC is awesome. But honestly I wish Assetto Corsa was in the competitive mainstream. Well, a man can dream. ACC vs iRacing ACC all day everyday. But in terms of feel, AC just has that... that thing. That same thing the original rFactor had that GTR2 didn't. For me, another sim that has this is Raceroom. But the tracks and features kind of age it at this point for GT3 racing. The cars just respond so well to your inputs. ACC is a little bit like wrestling in the dark. Not to mention the potential AC has. There are leagues running huge multiclass grids of GT2&GTE/GT3/GT4. You can simulate GT3 grids that aren't part of the SRO as well, which is something ACC does in an ambulatory way only (I know for a fact I'm using the wrong word there). Don't get me wrong, ACC is great, but I wish there was an iRacing like service for AC. I think with the car and tracklist that's available. If you could get enough people onboard, and actually have the daily races that hit off on the hour or so, it would rival iRacing. LFM is a different beast. They have the sim to backup the system. But the issue is the extremely limited scope. It stops being fun when hop into a race and realize you didn't grind raw pace hard enough. Like, idk, laptime grinding isn't really my cup of tea. A realistic amount of practice is about what I put in. Which can get you half decent results, but it can feel really disheartening knowing that the thing standing between you and a podium is practice time, especially if you're busy, or like me, have severe health limitations and a travel job. None of this to try and say that one is better than the other. I just wish that the original AC was getting more than just one-off coverage and late night wangan sad hours videos. The sim is imo, the most versatile, and definitely the only sim that can provide the quantity AND the quality in many respects, if we ignore the GT3's in ACC, as they are a few generations ahead of their time tbh. AC is the only one I come back to consistently. ACC is fun, but doesn't give me the fizz, and I walk away craving the same cars in AC, and iRacing just pisses me off when you trailbrake into a corner and over rotate, and instead of making a correction naturally like you would in every other sim except maybe Gran Turismo, you just flail at the controls hoping the tires aren't on fire and melting into hot ice cubes. So, tldr, ACC w/ LFM is what I'd have over iRacing, but honestly I'm going to end up back in Assetto Corsa after a few days of either of them.

[@jarnosalmela4901]

Exactly, AC does this better. In ACC feeling or lack of it feel's like tire's are made out of wood or chewing gum. Otherwise it's pretty ok, or not if you think also a lack of sense of speed which feels like riding a restricted e-bike =D !? Waiting for AC2 to fix this all and have a proper online +hopefully just plug and play because I'm not into modding and stuff on my self?

[@philrob4468]

For me more a fan of iracing just for the tracks alone… I’m not a fan of how easy braking is in acc and don’t find it fun… I like how iracing is just harder for braking and corner exits… that’s how I feel I don’t care what’s more realistic too much

[@d0cspeed]

After 2 years of racing on iracing I think ACC is much more real and natural or realistic.

[@ALLENRACING15]

ACC/LFM ftw! also Multiclass was 🔥

[@SackyX]

I have to warn you Gamer Muscle... I'm in possession of a certain set of skills. 😆

[@Nockspielt]

In terms of FFB AMS 2 does it much better with the GT3's. In ACC the FFB feels a bit "flat"

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Just about anything has more detailed FFB for where the tires are at than both ACC and iRacing - but oh well

[@TEFilms]

@@GamerMuscleVideos any chance they'll make it feel better?

[@EmanHowells]

@@TEFilms it shouldn't but it matters on acc what base you have I went from CSL elite base to the r9 and it was night and day difference in Acc

[@adrianstealth340]

I prefer AMS2’s but it could do with being used in LFM

[@daviddanser8011]

They tried, but the way servers are working in AMS2 it is not possible LFM to host sessions.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

I live Ams2 but let's be frank. It's more of a beta at this point... Horrible buggy MP mode which makes it empty most of ten time. And no single player mode. It will be amazing in a year or so hopefully

[@jk_46]

You were praising ACC so much I thought you were ill for a moment.. Just wish I could choose to get a different ffb feel and I'd play ACC a lot more! Its not a bad sim I just don't like the feel..

[@TopSim]

More rants please!

[@sparey4431]

I’ve only come to the comments to read what people have to say about the Apollo thing 😂

[@MuntyScruntFundle]

Thank you for a sensible and truthful description of ACC. I have nothing against iRacing, it’s a hugely popular online game, but it isn’t and never has been a realistic driving experience. Kunos set out to make a game as realistic as possible, yes limited to GT, but I think it’s all the better for that.

[@rickervine]

That's hitting the nail on the head.

[@jorgmethfessel5774]

acc has better tire model, better weather model, better graphics, better sound, cheap dlc and no subscription - iracing was on top for many years for a reason, but this times comes to an end now

[@jorgmethfessel5774]

and yes, acc is by far not perfect

[@mrmidnight32]

If anyone says Iracing they need their head examined lol

[@ruslanbulan8805]

so everyone has a preference and both do different things in a more real way. Daniel Morad is a real gt3 driver and a very good one and he cannot deal with ACC but James Baldwin only plays ACC. both are very competent GT drivers . The braking in Iracing is way more real and fun even if the ABS is wrong and the tire model in ACC is way more real than Iracing. I way prefer Iracing even though ACC feels better. The common consensus though is that Iracing is unrealistically punishing of every mistake. You have to be way too precise just because the tires aren't as good I think

[@RacingAnt]

I'd hope ACC is better for GT3 cars than iRacing, as GT3 cars is ALL ACC does. If a specialist sim can't beat a general one, then it's pretty pointless. If you want variety in your on-line, open lobby races, then ACC loses.

[@edfutfisher]

I'm too far down the Iracing rabbit hole to change now. Not dismissing your comments or opinions, but I do love my Iracing. Also, even on a decent rig with a 3080Ti, ACC runs like a big bobbing turd!

[@edfutfisher]

Also, I use IRFFB, which improves the FFB for me no end.

[@mclane78]

I think rf2 has best driving physics, in gt3 class too! Tomorrow (7.2.23) rf2 gets a huge update with new tyre model for gt3 class. Iracing/acc? - no chance....

[@XBOW83]

Physics ACC > Iracing Multi LFM equal Iracing But better report system on LFM So Big thx to LFM 👍

[@gustavogc82]

ACC needs more content. More tracks. Iracing has more than 80 road tracks to random in GT3 series.

[@AbizW97]

Physics in ACC are so sketchy and with weird FFB.

[@XBOW83]

Unexperiment driver usually says ACC physics was Bad but its not You could dont trust me but dont ignore Pro driver who Plays ACC

[@Pobsworth]

@@XBOW83 i think these ppl are just upset they spent so much on iracing 🤣

[@XBOW83]

@@Pobsworth i play 8 years on Iracing and i loose so much 🤣

[@ryerye3147]

The Oracle has spoken

[@8Tarkus8]

In iRacing, even tho there's no wet weather, it's like you're driving on ice, every, single, time. And with each new season, which lasts around 3 months, the handling model of a car might dramatically change with a new update, forcing you to basically relearn how to drive a specific car. Adding the enormous costs you have to pay to stay in the service, other than the online infrastructure around it, there's no real reason to actually playing it. And iRacing fanboys will downvote you to hell when you point out that the developers are so incredibly greedy. Paying a subscription would be understandable, but paying for every single car and track on top of it is absolutely not. You either go with a subscription model, or with the content one. Making the base game free and buy the extra content with the current prices would be understandable. Or let us pay the subscription BUT give access to all content would be understandable as well. Instead you have to pay both ways. It's like paying for the same product twice. Like going to a shoe store and to get a new pair of shoes you have to pay them twice Oh well. As long as people keep buying stuff from them they won't change their monetization policy, even tho, as you pointed out yourself, is totally ridiculous. You can get a more realistic experience on ACC or any other simulator with a fraction of the cost you would get with iRacing

[@plorwax]

Im a casual gamer so maybe a couple hours per week. Sometimes none at all. So this make iracing not worth it for me. The monthly subscription and loosing everything when I stop paying is just too much.

[@gigiamoroso3066]

People who have never raced in real life choose ACC, while those who have racing experience in large majority choose Iracing as it is the closest to real life.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Most people I know that race professionally / own race cars , chose AC1 They will use iracing for the online competition and it's nice quality laser scan tracks though.

[@edwardbewers49]

You say ACC doesn't have mixed class at all at 14:10. It has GT3, GT4 and some cup cars, sure nobody actually races multi class, it is there though. Sorry, 2/10

[@Pobsworth]

find a racing league, the racing league im in has gt3/gt4 in the top split, its currently in its 12th season and every race is always full

[@mikecroshaw9233]

LFM is going to introduce it with RF2 once the changes come into play this month apparently. They already do it with GTE/LMP.

[@richpoor146]

Who on their right mind would pay that much for iracing when you have acc?

[@kaiying74]

I'm so bad at ACC I can't qualify to take part in LFM.

[@bobbyQQ]

But what other sim can you experience always running under inflated wet tires in the dry while driving on frozen grass?? Exactly, checkmate nerds. iRacing>all

[@mustangroadracer]

One thing thats a big neg for me for ACC is the way u need to use the brakes to go fast, its killing me getting used to it... Using the brakes to transfer weight is one thing but ACC's phisics are a little off here.. still better then iracings zero brake model though and disastrous tire model... so much more tech in iracings tire model according to the devs... none of the performance...lol

[@levs.7325]

I like both sims, but I thing iracing should make visual update.

[@TheManxMarauder]

I get 90fps with 3090 8700k and my g2 VR headset on ACC and it’s great

[@MrJBARRON]

This must be why so many actual race car drivers like Daniel Morad prefer ACC. Oh, wait.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The people that I know that are legit fast real world drivers generally prefer AC1 and RF2.. if you are going to play the real world drivers like x so it's more real then I think max verstappons opinion pips most other people's as he does sims and is one of the best real world drivers right now , again he generally likes AC1. Iracing has the user numbers for the competition and it's online structure is top.notch But the cars don't move around anything like real cars due to its huge tire physics issues.

[@kennyrodg]

GT3's are now a meme on iracing and this season's build is an utter joke...I run and take part in a fixed set league and race in another....They've completely taken the fun out of it, now you drive to survive instead of racing your competitors. As an example, try "fixed" set around Phillip Island, it's almost undriveable. Hate the FFB on ACC though so it's a no from me....Sounds like I need to try AC.

[@X1erra]

I’m sorry. Not here to listen to long ramblings… We got a big GT3 update for RF2 coming soon, and probably LFM too. Still, at least it’s a good reason not to renew iRacing for the time being…

[@richpoor146]

I disagree about GT four cars in ACC. There’s no better driving experience than the GT four Camaro. Even the sounds are the best of the game.

[@MCplayer94]

ACC is quality over quantity

[@antoshechka]

Grip level on grass in Iracing is absolute joke 🥲

[@Illestrapper]

Not even close. IRacing is significantly less realistic than ACC from a physics standpoint.

[@MrThedestroy3r]

ACC is almost an arcade game, ask any pro driver. Specially braking procedure.

[@Traumglanz]

Blood in it's face, big disgrace, Somebody better put it back to it's place. [Brain May Solo] iRace just got slapped in the face.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Unfortunately ACC is still bland do drive like iracing and you have to drive largely in the same robotic way as how one drives in iracing.

[@robbo5932]

I find AC has better physics and FFB, plus with Sol/Pure , to enhance the graphics. Even RF2 is better. IRacing is a rip off and ACC is average.