Form Breakthrough! +5mph with NO EXTRA EFFORT!

[@CharlesJWillard]

Josh, I'm 70 and struggled to throw over 200. Your videos have upped my distance to 250. Of course I'm going to keep improving my fitness and my form until I get to 350.

[@brandonpatterson8545]

I just wanna say that the production value of this video and a lot of your recent ones is insane. I love your coaching and have been a fan of that for a long time, but Mikey deserves some serious props too. The quality of these videos is through the roof these days

[@teenor1823]

Came to comment through same thing! I haven't seen a video in awhile and they are looking great!

[@kevinleonard4492]

This episode was fantastic! Seeing Josh identify something in his form, diagnose, make a change, and see the results - the whole process!

[@mikeywho]

How far does that Retail Josh guy even throw 😎

[@toimioitis9842]

on avarage

[@gilliamm.5732]

Haha!

[@ericbeich]

May have missed a few videos, but looks like you are losing weight and in better shape than last I saw, kudos man . Keep on being you brother :)

[@sashasashasashasasha]

Thanks Josh (and Mikey). What attracted me to - and stuck with - your channel years ago is your teaching style which is easy to understand, logical, and just works. The quality of the video/editing and audio is also what distinguished you and Mikey from others. The reference to a favorite teacher is so true. Example: Djokovic’s coaches are not the best tennis players in the world. Love you guys. Keep it up.

[@benharrison5816]

No one asks how far Bryson DeChambeau's coach hits a golf ball. I'd ignore it as well. Just keep doing what you're doing. I've definitely gained some distance and accuracy this year by filming myself and identifying what I need to work on. I'm not "gaining 100 ft in one day" but I've made measurable improvements and having fun.

[@roddyrobinson8387]

Man I can tell how happy Josh is in this video. As someone who is making successful form changes, it’s awesome to see other people share in the happiness that comes from progress.

[@podonoughue]

One of the best disc golf coaching videos I have ever seen. The way you communicate the problem, examine the issues, explain how to go about implementing a form change, and then the data to back it up...amazing work. Expertly communicated and produced! Love this slightly different format with lab, field, and course shots. The "data series" experiments are killing it too, its a huge benefit to be able to back up your observations with objective evidence. Scientifically, your sample size and number of reps are too small, but we'll let that go, especially since you acknowledge this as bro science ;)

[@brentkelly9864]

Before even beginning the video, just want to say how much I appreciate y'all talking in terms of MPH(speed) rather than feet(distance). Y'all are bringing more data science into the world of dg coaching and I am so here for it. #MakeDiscGolfSmarter

[@loveVII]

The video? Top notch production. The coaching tips? Fantastic. How does the guy make it look so smooth and effortless?

[@Buffalodude1]

I was not disappointed with clicking on your PDGA number.

[@augustbjeilkjr737]

LOVED the first half of this video. What a Way to explain this stuff so EVERYONE Can differentiate one person as a coach and player❤

[@tgraham413]

Loved seeing "Coach" Josh on the practice field and in the office and "Player" Josh on the DGC. Great way to differentiate the two personas and messaging from each!

[@rodfondriest6059]

Hands down the BEST video content from start to finish your team has ever produced!! Loved everything about this video!

[@trevzy91]

The whole flow of this video especially with the number of locations was super smooth, great stuff guys!

[@timeandspacevintage3380]

This was probably my favorite video you've ever put out, the insight was great, form looks clean plus I felt a bit of that chaotic old Danny Lindahl videos which I always liked.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Gotta love a little chaos with your Danny

[@Corrigan65_]

I love Danny. I still utilize his coaching, techniques. He's half my age but I'll totally deep bow in total respect to physics of flight. And him. I love OT too, but there's times where Danny's coaching parked. He is part of my disc golf DNA

[@relientker]

honestly it doesnt have to be every video. but every now and then, throwing in some perspective from a coach or lessons youve learned as a coach- was really refreshing. i really liked that 0:30 to 3:30 part honestly.

[@chadjacksonDG]

Bro, I just want to say thank you for everything you do and I completely understand where you’re coming from on this. Don’t feel bad if you have a bad round, you’re a great coach!🔥👊

[@mikebordner3820]

Good stuff Josh, i literally just changed this same thing today, and it definitely helps. In doing this i also realized ive been actually reaching my arm back rather than coiling the shoulders and reaching the arm Out at 90 degrees. Its getting there.

[@Jono.]

This was such a cool video you guys. Almost like an educational video essay and a story. The edits are amazing, the music selection and pacing was great, the storytelling is amazing. Loved it. Also: Josh, appreciate you being my virtual coach, I am always thinking of your form technique tips when I’m practicing on the course. Consider me “motivated”

[@Archaedes797]

This was awesome! Love the coach Josh looking at player Josh, analyzing and improving the minor flaws to figure out the issues improve and then show the results/fruits of labor. I myself got a wealth of info seeing the real time player flaw then the adjustment/improvement after. Great job man, will say just watching your youtube vids you've got me from the 300ft ceiling now up to 400+, keep it going man!

[@JonMagnificent]

Bravo! to all of the Joshes. And cheers to the ones I have yet to meet!

[@allenk5783]

As a frequent watcher of your content I feel you do a great job of motivating players! I mean I wanna go out an throw smooth good shots right now!

[@robertjones1730]

when pool leagues got cancelled during the pandemic I switched to disc golf and never looked back. I used to be a really good pool player, maybe top 30 in the state but pros are on another level all together. I used to say I know WHAT to do, my arm just won't do it every time. I could watch pros and I knew what they were going to shoot next and how they'd shoot it, I understood it to a depth far greater than my capabilities. The next step of being a good coach is to be able to break down complex concepts into simple to digest speech. You are totally there and I feel like I am watching the beginning of something special, "I knew him when"

[@davelopez9161]

Thanks for this. The "fact" that form changes don't happen overnight really changes the mindset. Yesterday I threw about 120 putters and today about 100 drivers with this video in mind. I haven't measured my speed yet but I seem to be getting the same or more distance with less effort. I throw putters into a backstop of a baseball field (about 220ft). Now, with same effort, the discs aren't just getting to the backstop, they are smashing in to it at about the 5ft level. And, bonus!, because I'm smoother, they are grouping together significantly better. Accuracy has improved.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yes! I love little places like that where you can see your progress. Next is putters OVER the wall!

[@davelopez9161]

I've tried but the backstop is about 25 feet tall and so far I'm not getting over it. I do, errantly, throw over the side fences and dugouts. Throwing out from home plate, the gully behind the center field fence keeps me focused on not putting to much power in to the shot. @@OverthrowDiscGolf

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@davelopez9161 one day

[@peter007crouch]

You are picking up a very important point I have always repeated in my life as a former high school teacher and also as a sports coach for semi professional u21 teams in another sport. Look at some of the best football (soccer) coaches in the world: Mourinho, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Klopp, Eriksson, Rangnick, Wenger (and even Guardiola to a degree) and so many more where mediocre players at best. Very rarely do you get a superb player who becomes a great coach like Zidane. Most of the time the "top players" are mediocre coaches (e.g. Henry, Scholes, Matthäus or Maradona), because its just not the same. You can be a great coach without ever been a great player. Keep it up Josh!

[@CherryB0mb333]

The important point that you’re missing (most of the people you’ve listed have admitted to this) is that you have to be able to do something at a high level at one time to be able to coach. If I had form like josh and maxed out at ma1 then I’d probably make a 20 minute mental gymnastics video too.

[@derpderpin1568]

Also just mathematically makes sense. There's FAR FAR FAR more people who were never pro athletes than those that were and they're the ones that've held the overwhelming majority of those positions throughout history. It's rare for a great player to even step in to the position to have a chance to fail at it.

[@peter007crouch]

@@derpderpin1568 In order to answer that, we would need to know the actual percentages of players (good or bad) who try. I don't have that information. I could see that it is *more likely* that you become a great coach after a great career as a players, however it is not a guarantee. But even if we ignore the part, where I state that great players rarely make great coaches, the main point still stands: You can be a great coach without ever been a great player. Some of the names I put in there were never even professional footballers (some were, but most were not in a very good club and/or a national team).

[@doughorner5730]

I think all of your vids are quality but you guys knocked this one out of the park, 10/10 for sure!

[@triston574]

I'm only 3:47 in and I just need to stop and say that the filming and transitions here.... wow... pure entertainment. Constantly changing angles and scenes, and reengaging me... just wow.

[@henriklonden4545]

What a great video and as a coach who doesn't play competitive golf, I could not agree more, teaching is about reaching and not preaching. Thanks Josh

[@reedmecum8966]

I don’t understand the marvel universe and Josh is helping me understand? Core and cardio and confidence

[@denisgrady7379]

Thumbs up on this tip. I went to the course right after watching this and saw immediate gains by just keeping my left arm tight to my body and nothing else. Simplest change I have ever made. Hoping it gets better as I can develop this a little further,

[@davidbuchanan834]

Thanks for what you do! It's really important for people to understand something: there are many pros out there who can throw 550 plus, and some way over 600. That doesn't mean they can teach YOU how to do what they do. I highly value your coaching and I look forward to seeing more content from your channel.

[@SHIZZLER__]

Ginny Pig Josh: I have altered my form to minimize the forward momentum lag and has further reduced my rounding by limiting the amount of time I can reach back during the lag as well as, reduced the forward lean at release as you pointed out in the form review. So the change....if you wish to try. I start reach back/walk by the disc at the same time as my X step is occuring, so as my brace foot is moving to final plant, the disc is also moving forward eliminating the reach bag lag created. For me the results have been better aiming, farther distance, no rounding. Yay!!! Continue to create educational content. Aloha!

[@123himan321]

That matty o move is awesome

[@jeremietodd6997]

Yep i had to check out the pdga number. Lol

[@mellamotoro]

Scrolled down so far to find this lol. Thought "I can't be the only one!!"

[@WestCoastFloridaFishing]

The production value and information continues to inspire my own content creation mindset and still contributes towards my goal of beating my friends on my lunch break on the course! I love these!!! My only request is for you to post more of them! 😊😂

[@mriforgiate]

Oh man, this episode was amazing. All of it makes so much sense! Love the way you broke all of this down and presented it, Josh. 🙏

[@brentkelly9864]

Some of the farthest throwers I know couldn't teach Einstein how to tie his shoelaces - they completely lack communication skills (and, often, empathy). Josh, you're a magnificent communicator and a great coach. Cheers and thanks for continuing to pump out top-tier coaching content.

[@JohnDubU]

That net was one of the best disc golf things I ever bought (link in the description, folks). Interesting, I was tinkering with this the past few nights. Not to increase power, but because I was feeling noticeable fatigue when I flailed my arm back. So I've been working on a bit more compact form. I'm 90%+ working the net and watching myself on video. Thanks for sharing, player 😉

[@Jasha127]

I love backward hat Josh. He needs to be a reoccurring character 😂.

[@mccsnackin]

These videos have become my new favorite lunch break videos.

[@erikfickey5033]

The form changes we can see here on more levels than just disc golf form but in unison of the form is the quality of film and journey of journalism in the production format. I feel like we are seeing all cylinders fire from Josh and the O.T. team here and might even be seeing the re evolution in disc golf insider tips right before our eyes. The effort put in on this is insane and we all know Coach Josh and the O.T. team is reviewing the tape and only getting better and us better or should I say Im confident that I know its only going to get better and get us better from here. 👏👏👏

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We hope to have some more “youtubey” videos like this in the future.

[@TwoOneSe7en]

Can I just say I appreciate all the effort that you guys put into the edits. Great filming. Great audio. Great pace and structure. Great editing (I see the masking work for the titling 😉). Just overall great work.

[@danashton6647]

Always excellent coaching! You're a pure teacher in all kinds of ways. Thanks!

[@csgorby]

What your saying about player / coach relationship is so true. You wouldn't expect a NFL coach play at the level that the players he coaches play at or even play at all.

[@discgolfallday8643]

Best form video I’ve ever seen. Heck of a job. Thanks for the content.

[@bakerby]

Wow. Great video in terms of content. Awesome video in terms of editing and film craft. Kudos to all.

[@RobbieCDiscgolf]

I've Created 6 alternate accounts to like this video even more. Absolutely crushed the Story Telling and Execution Mikey. Josh, the vulnerability is real and stoked to see the impact hit. Personally I like Guinea Pig Josh the most...he says some CRAZY stuff that makes Chipotle meals even better. :)

[@mordek777]

This Josh guy throws pretty darn smooth.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

[@artyomzakharov6869]

Actually spit my coffee out at @3:06 - please add more of this persona into the videos hahahahaha

[@wisherb1]

This video was studio level quality, Props to the cinematography.

[@Mode1RC]

Excellent video, with a great message. The player/coach line gets blurred in every sport I've ever seen. Exceptional athletes and players do not always (or even often) make great coaches. Teaching is a skill, and it is not a natural byproduct of performing well. Someone that is both a high-level competitor, and a great coach, is quite rare.

[@b_urkert]

I'm a believer. Didn't realize I was putting so much emphasis pushing my left arm/shoulder/elbow toward the target during reach back-tried to keep that part more passive in my left arm today and I can definitely tell a difference. 👌

[@aspottedfriend4289]

I’ll try that

[@weiwei9282]

Congrats Josh! You’re a great player and even better coach. Keep it up!

[@sw.]

Thank you teacher Matt Orum

[@micdavey]

Congrats on the gainz!!! This video was great, the content and the editing! And the form change is on something I've been trying to sort out myself, so it's also very useful. If I had to guess, I'd say you're going after getting your elbow in tighter now. Thanks again fellas!

[@TheNomadic1]

I respect and value your perspective. You're very insightful.

[@Pauliebereadin]

There are some fantastic content creators in DG, but man, you guys are the crème de la crème.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Appreciate it

[@JonnyEsports]

Lol you got me at 2:04

[@adrianatman1269]

Yeah, wonder if Matty O is in on this?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@adrianatman1269he isn’t, but I’m always open to future endeavors with him

[@jimofalltrades]

Great video....fun and informative. Production team = Kudos.

[@dannywashburn54]

You taught me a new word Amalgamizer or innamalgamizer. Love the content. Don't sweat the small stuff and the big stuff will take care of itself. "you don't have nothing but you got alot. Do you know what I mean.? Can I have a dollar?" A homeless man once asked everyone on the N Judah in San Fransico. But yeah, just be you and you'll be good at what your trying to convey

[@nickgrady3221]

Great video as always! And love how you just have 9 Time_Lapse chilling casually behind you at 9:52. Keep up the great work and tinkering, can't wait to see how much more you impact this game!

[@_Joy_Unleashed]

I'm just really lovin' skinny Josh 😝

[@MC-sg5yr]

God dang that hammer demonstration made so much click for me in an instant. I could almost feel my weight on my back foot

[@wzywgwzywg]

I can say anecdotally, that I definitely notice a little extra boost when my off arm timing is good. IMO, the name of the game is speed, and one way to increase speed is reduce drag. So if your off-arm is hanging out while your lead arm is coming in, that's definitely creating drag. Nice video, love the cinematic vibe.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

The name of the game is definitely speed. We were talking about that earlier today

[@AndyNotSoSmart]

FASCINATING. Looking great Josh!

[@doggyd.floofy7445]

Multiple personality josh is cool. Hope you keep this up in future episodes.

[@russellkellum2230]

This channel is so informative and fun. Thank you.

[@andreasericsson6989]

Awesome video 🙂 So hole 10 at Sandusky Park is 150m (490-ish ft), and you seemed to be landing around 25-30m (or 70-90 ft) short. So now people know how far you throw. Kind of.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Daaaang. With a 7 speed? That would be crushed if true

[@komarinth]

This makes sense. If you look at someone like Niklas Antilla, you might notice the wingspan to be very well balanced throughout the throw (sometimes with a slight lag). Perhaps more important than a tight power pocket to not offset the spinal balance.

[@adrianatman1269]

And a Rick Roll. You bastard! I love it.

[@JDCfusethrow]

As a Christian, i can totally relate to the criticism part of this. You guys are killing it though. There will always be someone that thinks they dont need to listen to someone else but your a student of the game and want to teach those who are like minded. Does Patrick Mahomes throwing coach throw better than him? No but he knows the mechanics to get others that are more physically gifted "Mikey" to reach their best. Great job.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Grace and peace brother

[@JDCfusethrow]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf and with you.

[@sarinhighwind]

That's really the hardest part of coaching. People don't understand that as a coach you have to constantly try things. So, I'd say it like this. There are coaches like... Stokley for example. He teaches a "I know how to play disc golf, I'll teach you to play like me" method of teaching. I'm sure there is some more to it, but that's the jist of what him and many others do. Then there are coaches to are literally experimenting with things and constantly learning and re-learning over and over again. I cannot be a good player because I don't practice ever to be a good player. I practice to teach you 15 different shot shapes and all sorts of other goofie crap so people when they come to me. "hey I wanna learn to throw overstable backhand rollers." I got them, its not something I have to say "hey wait like a week while I practice again to show you." As a coach, you need to decide if you wanna be good at golf or not, or you wanna be good at coaching. And the people I play with, they don't care that I'm good at golf. They know I coach, they have seen me play really good, or do things that most people cant. Why? Because someone has to learn it, and to try and keep a bag of tricks to teach others at any point, you cannot practice being good at just golfing on a golf course.

[@Davidb0123]

I saw the timelapses there 😊

[@JayDeeTee]

Coaching Disc Golf is teaching physics and bionics in a relaxed and clear way. I would choose you as my teacher.

[@AdamHedgpeth]

Amazing vid thanks for pulling back the curtain here.

[@drewbsn]

As a music professor and performer you make some great points. Thanks for sharing. Hard to split energy between two roles. I always say Lebron may be the best player, but he still benefits from a coach. Teaching/coaching is a separate skill

[@Photobond78]

Of course I clicked the PDGA link. Good stuff

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

;)

[@nicklarson1312]

2:05 Which Josh was it that correctly predicted the winner of the MVP Open?? Seriously though, this video was fantastic. As a new player, I can't begin to tell you how your videos have helped my form.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We haven’t introduced that Josh yet

[@Pegee7]

Love the editing in this video!

[@StabBacker]

Didn't McBeth also have that one season where he came back and played really well, and when people asked what changed he said something like "my off-hand was getting in the way, so I cut it out", or something like it? It definitely seems to have a HUGE impact on snap timing so I definitely can see that is something a lot of people need to get better at :)

[@johnnypicnic]

OK you got me I'll subscribe.

[@a-a-ronk.340]

Josh is the man!

[@tntfishndiscngame5030]

I like your arm change; however, do you have footage comparing the face side of the brace point? It looks like you braced against your weight and turn on a more linear axis at a standstill. Your standard throw looks like it is catching the weight transfer. By the way, I think your videos are fantastic.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Brace is still something I’m working on and making big changes to currently actually. I’m convinced all the more now that I couldn’t get my brace going in the right direction until this change

[@torymblue2000]

Hey one more thing and I may be stepping over a boundary, and if so I will apologize in advance. But Josh, I've noticed it over the last month-2, that you are dropping weight and looking good. This video you obviously showcased your earlier form, when you were heavier.. So sir, you are looking great!!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

No boundaries crossed. Thank you

[@N1c2k3]

How dare you give him a compliment!

[@Corrigan65_]

Sorry that was me ; the "Heh, this guy's a coach?? I was like OMG that's my guy. From Overthrow. Starstruck and desperate to make an impression and be memorable, I was like... I got it!!! I'll go unchained into wiseass mode. Well... I wasn't wrong. Right?

[@chadbennett9517]

this was great. I love your instruction

[@Iliyena87]

Thanks for the video Josh, Josh, Josh and a bit to Josh! :)

[@jcrohe]

lol the pdga number threw me off because I'm from the same area as MattyO. and I thought "why is that is so familiar?"

[@jjw6961]

Good stuff, fellas; the bits were funny and 1:30 felt like an AI-generated acid trip. Keep it up.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It was AI generated. What do computers trip on anyways?

[@ZeeK33NKS]

EDIT: Similar to the golf swing we keep the arms in front of the body to prevent "getting stuck" (dg equivalent to rounding). Hurts power efficiency a ton! Never thought to apply this to the trail arm in DG. So small but seems to harmonize sequencing which very clearly increased your efficiency. Good shit cause im hyped to try this out in a few! CLICK BAIT! BUT FOR REAL! Haha thanks for the vid! haven't even watched it. I just know. Also... how far... jk love yall!

[@Iantwi_dg]

🤡

[@ZeeK33NKS]

🍑@@Iantwi_dg

[@jgildeajr]

Hey Josh, question! Icebergtv recently made a video explaining how less spin will cause a disc to have more turn. We know from other OT videos that that more fingers under the rim seems to increase spin. So if some players struggle with turning and burning putters with a power grip, why do they tend to find success in switching to a fan grip? It seems like the adjustment should be to add spin, but theoretically, the fan grip should be reducing it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I would imagine it is where the index finger is. It’s very easy to mess pressure points up with power grip on putter. If that index finger slides under and hooks under the rim it can get caught on release.

[@westonhogan1672]

Now that we have the data, can you talk about how speed and spin relate to distance? How many mph of speed is 100 rpms of spin worth when it comes to distance? Can you isolate improving just speed, or just RPM, and if so, which yields faster results for distance? For accuracy? Love to be able to represent distance as a function of the digital values captured by the technology. Just some future video ideas for you.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We were just talking about that! Unfortunately we don’t have the means to test those to the extent we need to in order to give you an answer.

[@pvybe]

I coach... Super good points on coaching v playing... Maybe you should choose a LUT for each of your personas? Ambient music choices are solid. Good work sir.

[@pvybe]

When *ripping* up, you're pushing down - your weight *increases* on the front foot. It's when the arm is coming down that you "get light". When it simply comes up in flow, it's somewhat null, but as soon as it rips up, you're pushing down to make that happen. Good call with the sledge hammer. I've done lots of this stuff with diving and gymnastics and throwing people, discs, and balls; in my experience counterintuitive is the rule with kinetics and proprioception. Really like that sledge hammer... I use a riding crop for teaching wrist action with frisbees - has me thinking. Oh - good point on the ginea pig... I prefer crash test dummy, myself... Peace~

[@brannnnnnn]

lol Matt Orum, the swag king

[@Cabelly]

Couldn't be any truer on how to measure the success of a teacher.

[@philipsaul]

Damn you're #18330? Congrats on the win, man

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks haha

[@GnarParDiscGolf]

Like always, great content. I believe the gap between 53 and 58 is much easier to close than say between 60 and 65. It seems like there’s a level of athleticism that is required to get into the mid 60s and higher. The fast twitch muscle and control is really hard to acquire later in life if you weren’t an athlete of sorts in youth.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Personally getting from 60 to 65 is a huge jump in effort for me.

[@GnarParDiscGolf]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I was recently on a speed gun. I’ll share my insights. I was 58 every single time stand still. I was 56-63 with run up. I was 61-66 at spike hyzer angle. Interesting how the run up sometimes took speed away. This experience also confirmed what I all ready knew , which is that I throw farther on hyzer. I’ve been trying to figure this out for a while. I can rip 350-370 on nearly a spike hyzer angle but only 350-415 on a flip on with some flex. I believe my hips or shoulders are generating more rotation when I reach down to up rather than back to forward.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@GnarParDiscGolf Yeah I think it has a bit to do with being on a Tilton plane and balanced better with the hyzer form

[@thompson222]

@3:10 was hilarious

[@oliround]

Looks like you've cut a lot of weight. Cheers on your progression so far brother. Keep up the good work. You're looking great