Hit your lines with Two Lanes

[@discbox2817]

Thanks for the shoutout Josh! We're proud to be the best inexpensive disc storage solution on the market! Collection storage, field work, players packs, you name it, we do it!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Edit: I’m not saying Simon has bad form here! What I meant to explain was that even Simon couldn’t have good form of he walked that far across his line. Sorry for the confusion!

[@Corrigan65_]

Instead of clicking like again, I'm going to explicitly say I like this video. It's still lending insight. It's like a movie you can watch over and get something new out of each time

[@SwankyDiscGolf]

Such a good lesson! And sick editing Mikey yall are next level right now. Also Josh with the sweater and the cow lick gonna have everyone swooning out here. We’ll be waiting for the morning hair routine tutorial!

[@brentkelly9864]

Bro, how are you always answering the questions about counter-intuitive dynamics we all have but that don't get asked or discussed enough? Your coaching and kinematics analysis is just next level. Head and shoulders above the "here's how I throw 500ft, it's easy, just do what I do." videos. You tackle not only the 'what', but the 'why' & 'how' (& 'when' and 'where', too, honestly) and it is so appreciated.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Much appreciated

[@Corrigan65_]

Blind luck that youtube put this video in my shorts list. never seen it before and I need this. Haven't watched this full version of 2 lanes but I've needed this lesson. Felt forever how do I line up, find my lane? How? I felt it today, because every day I'm not sure about the lane. Hip tilt seems fine, nose angle needs work but the walkup.... I have to say the 4 step walk up feels so natural but tee pads are rarely long enough for me. Have to step left foot back like I'm taking my first right step forward but even then there's rarely enough concrete for 3 steps around this neck of the woods. Anyway. super excited to watch this

[@BensBigDrive]

This is an awesome way to explain a concept that has always floated out in the ether but is SUPER tough to visualize, well done fellers 😤✊

[@kruksog]

It's amazing how you two went from a couple of disc golf obsessed dudes to a couple of the most important people in the game. Believe me when I say that. As far as the masses of people who are out here wanting to be better (that's most of us), you're just as important as any P Mac B. Cheers guys. Thanks for what you do. I've been subbed since you were just two goofballs who didn't realize what you were capable of. Crazy to see you guys achieve so much. Ed: also appreciate how you guys bring up seabass. That guy's a legend.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks! And Seabas22 is a legend

[@michaelleake353]

Recently on tight gaps I’ve been setting up at my disc release point 10 o’ clock position and walking backwards to determine my walk up line. It’s noticeably helped my gap hitting. Great video and content as always. Thank you for the work you put in for the disc golf community

[@Christopher-Lenz]

You're the best instructor out there man

[@Corrigan65_]

Your first critique of my form was I had and still do have a robotic walkup. The line the line, is it from my hip, do I straddle it coming out of the X step or do I walk the line I feel in the disc on walkup. This video I believe will crack the code. It's not 1 line, it's 2 lanes. It'll take some time, but this is it. This will get me flowing in 2025, Tomorrow my work friends and I will be playing; So starting tomorrow I'll be 2 laneing the line

[@Corrigan65_]

2 lanes has become the bedrock for aiming my LHBH. My first observation of Josh from the overhead drone shot was it almost looked like you had that traffic yellow line tucked under your armpit So that's where I started with some success, thinking the line is between my armpit and the disc. Now that has recently changed. It should be mentioned that every LHBH is from a 2 step walkup. But I added something to what I saw from Josh's 2 lane demonstration; another element represented by Phase 1 of the three described below. Phase 1) I stand on a line with feet offset, from target to left lead heel to rear right foot toe (offset for the x step) Phase 2) Stick the butt, out bend the knees and transfer the line into the armpit (still doing that consciously at this point). Phase 3) Hip tilt if throwing uphill X step, reach back heel down and the most important part of all the spirit shout "HIIIIEEEYAAAAAHHHHH!!!" from the top of my lungs. Ok that last part, isn't true. but the 2 lanes concept is a great method that's already evolving the southpaw throw. I'm right handed BTW, but I injured myself working on a RHFH drive a couple years back. That;s why I LHBH because throwing RHFH for distance scares the shit out of me. Pushed too hard and paid a price for it. I digress; this video is huge for the up and comers I think It works for me and thank you

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

HIIIIIEEEEYAAAAAAHHHH

[@SLPDiscGolf]

Excellent overview of a critical component that isn't discussed enough. Thank you. Agree with other comments that it would be great to see this for the forehand, as the early release or off line throw seems to plague many forehand throws

[@60gibsonable]

Dude what a great lesson ! this is fire!!

[@JohnBell3]

This is such a great way to describe the throw.

[@hillsdalemc]

Honestly, I think this is equally or even more important for forehand throws. Good content.

[@ericweiseth2895]

Very well executed.

[@knusifsl1520]

Great video and clear explanations. Will focus on that especially on my next hyzer shots

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Great lesson! Can't wait to hit the field and work on it

[@tn-s197]

I love a good box... 😅❤

[@Corrigan65_]

💯Favorite OT instructional video

[@tylerpohler3271]

Great video!, I'm gonna combine this with my Hulu hoop sweatshirt I made, gonna be the best drill ever lol

[@smegge100]

Thanks

[@TheNivde]

Banger video

[@cyanideankst]

Commenting for algorithm! But gotta love how I happen to get these more in dept technical videos with so good content timing like they could be made just for me and always right after my form reviewz 😂

[@cyanideankst]

Also Drew is doing Vlogmas so maybe some contet with him? 👀

[@JustinHardyisbesthardy]

Is Mikey doing something different with the color grading here? I'm getting kind of a 35mm film vibe, I dig it!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I don’t believe he changed anything with the color grading. Could be wrong though

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Mikey here. You might be onto something ;)

[@TheTeamdom]

great content as usual ❤️

[@pK-lm3hd]

Top tier

[@miniaturecolossus5242]

I don't understand the Simon comment. Are you saying Simon has bad form and is just arming the discs when he throws far? Going back to your side by side comparison of Simon and Drew it is clear that they both have a diagonal run up (of about 20 degrees or so) in relation to the line of the throw (for both the 450 and max throw). They also end up being "in the way" of their discs and pull around themselves at the end of the throw. Do they now have bad form all of a sudden?

[@jonathanbrink3252]

I agree. Simon and Drew have beautiful form, and I have heard numerous pros say Drew’s backhand form is one of the best ever. I also love OT, so I’ll always listen to what they have to offer.

[@tourian7801]

I reacted to that part as well. But I think Josh is trying to convey that even if you're Simon Lizotte you can't save that throw (right guys?)

[@miniaturecolossus5242]

@@tourian7801 Well, the problem is that this is how Simon (and Drew) throws when going for distance. I could maybe buy that a straight run up is better for a more controlled (shorter) drive but neither Simon nor Drew seem to throw like Josh is instructing us to do in this video.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep. I meant to convey that even Simon couldn’t save the shot if he screws up the walk up angle that bad

[@brentkelly9864]

@@OverthrowDiscGolfThanks for clarifying. I had the same question. Might be a good addendum to the pinned comment?

[@fishblade2]

Whenever I try to aim directly on my line with my feet and arm I throw perfectly 45 degrees right every time. After months even if working on not rotating and my latest video recording I found I wasn’t and power pocket was being hit, I still pull 45 degrees right and beautifully straight. Is there a reason for this? I am mentally thinking I set my body up on the coil to pull the disc absolutely straight through but it doesn’t happen that way even when I keep shoulders and head yes. Should I aim at an 11 mark and or aim directly at my target and throw out? I don’t know which one.

[@pathape]

How important is the reachback? Is it okay if it's short, as long as you have good shoulder coil?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It can be short if you have full shoulder coil. In that case it’s ok if the disc gets behind you a little. Example of this would be Emerson Keith

[@readguthrie1241]

C’mon Josh we all wanted to see you can the 305 hyzer!

[@andycaree]

Great video! Just to clarify, I should try to keep my elbow in the “disc lane “ all the way through to the hit right? I think focusing on that specifically could help keep me from dropping my elbow.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Correct!

[@gregh7628]

Hey do you guys do form reviews without having to sign up for patroon? I am not sure I can commit to that monthly cost. Would you do them pay as you go? Please let me know. Thank you

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We are considering hosting some one offs. More to come

[@gregh7628]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Hey that would be great. Please keep me posted. How can I reach out to you about this. Also would signing up for a one month Patreon get me a review as well as a work around? Please let me know. Thank you

[@G0tYaa]

i have a question about this lane thing. if u watch paul throw hyzer. it looks like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH6yhWhqoLCSpqM ... why he is not throwing to the lane?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep. This seems to happen more often on hyzer when there is more space because of the tilt. Drew does this too. I wish I could say that I had that portion all figured out but there definitely seems to be some inconsistency on this theory with big hyzers. Also, if you’ve got people like Eagle and Hena they can merge the lanes in the backswing and still create enough space with the disc due to their flexibility

[@Tbudde34]

Any plans to restock insanities soon?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We’ve still got some! Is there a weight you’re not seeing?

[@chrism4008]

Im so mad i didnt start throwing with a step or walk up, idk if i can ever figure the footwork out. Its like the bottom half of my body is completely separate from my mind

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I feel this

[@warpo007]

I'm from Australia, we drive on the other side of the road so the lanes are all backwards and upside-down for us.

[@UR1NFINITE]

The Dragon Ball Z reference got me ☠️🤣

[@krUsberry]

How graphics so good? This is way too pretty for our little sport.

[@n8barton]

Can you snap the two lanes onto a video of you actually throwing? I am sure there has to be some variation of the line. It would be interesting to see the the actual throw with the two lanes from overhead view.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It would probably be better to check out the Simon and Drew footage. You can see where Simon is throwing because we have a basket out there. I’m sure that people cut across their line more on a big hyzer that the other shots.

[@GetArkd]

As a newbie, I've watched almost all your videos but still get a bit confused when doing the twirly bird 2.0, the angle of your arm follows the curve when practicing but when you throw the disc it's almost straight again. Is the idea that your shoulders follow that swooping line but you bring your arm up into the box and flick it out ? I find that confusing, clarification though I've only probably had like 15 games of discgolf in my life so I'm super green

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It can for sure be confusing at first. I still get confused about stuff. If you’re only 15 rounds in I’d experiment a little!

[@christophersearight1262]

As a 53 year old I understand the importance of a good box.

[@Y0ursTru1y]

If you're not a super saiyan I feel bad for you son, I've got over 9,000 problems but my power level aint one.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

🔥

[@Corrigan65_]

Just be grateful, despite your hair's revolutionary defiance of standing u[p to you that there is hair there.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Grateful for hair indeed

[@Corrigan65_]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf me too boss. For my hair, and yours too.

[@Corrigan65_]

Boss, if it says disc box on the box, how do we hide it from our significant others if they can read? Ok, I'm being a little bit of a wiseass but Mikey and Dakota are good sports at least, they'll think it's funny.

[@Andreas_Ostling]

How does this video relate to this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CylIRmadd6gpo one from Brian Earhart at Discraft? I understand that they are not mutually exclusive but the amount of lanes are getting too damn high *shakes fist*

[@natebell4764]

Ka meh ha meh ha

[@t.j.straub1253]

Two train tracks, originally brought to you by Spin to Throw.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I wouldn’t know

[@InfinityBird73]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf well you've come up with a remarkably similar methodology and phrasing on multiple aspects of the throw for not knowing, though you are a far better teacher and your visualizations are fantastic. So if you really aren't aware of the S&T concepts/method, check it out. If you are at all interested in the progression of dgolf knowledge, Bradley Walker deserves some credit. Bet you could do a great visualization of "the 3 circles'

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@InfinityBird73 I am aware of spin and throw, of course, but I’ve never studied the methodology. I actually reached out to Brad at one point privately to encourage him to continue putting out content. He said he was done. I suspect it’s partly because of the “credit” mentality. He feels he invented concepts. Someone else sees something similar and teaches it. Then comes the, “I taught that first. Give me credit or you’re stealing it.” It’s a shame because if he could have gotten past that mentality he probably would have a massive client base. Coaching concepts and biomechanics don’t belong to anyone. It’s all in how you can communicate those concepts to students so they can understand it. It’s not a surprise that coaches come to similar conclusions and ways of explaining things. That’s a good sign. Means we’re all seeing similar things and the students can have confidence in the teaching. If you two are his students, I would think you saw the disappointment setting in for him. That was coming from a mentality of “I discovered this and nobody is giving me credit.” That’s untrue and just not healthy for a coach. We borrow and steal from other sports. He certainly stole from golf. Good coaches steal for the better of the student. It’s all about improving the students. Period. We have to put our ego aside and just get better for the students. I hope you’ll read that from an objective point of view and not as me poo pooing on Brad. Lots of coaches are trying to claim their plot of land in the disc golf world. That simply is not the way to grow disc golf coaching. We must bring unity for the sake of our students. P.S. sorry for the book

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@InfinityBird73 also, I hope this didn’t sound hostile. Lol. I’m not trying to beat you over the head. You seem like a great student. He must have enjoyed his lessons with you.

[@InfinityBird73]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the responses. Funnily, I've never had a lesson with Brad, and all the interactions I've had on the Spin&Throw Facebook have been unpleasant and unhelpful, but it was obvious when the game became my life that Brad was the only one (at the time) who was talking about concepts that made any sense and produced results. As I got good I even thought, 'damn, the only dude even close to teaching what is really going on has no following, and all the vids and clinics with the most views actually teach people to rip their shoulder out while they yank it weakly to the right. I should probably lock it in and then teach it.' Lo and behold you and Slingshot came along to fill that void right as I was perceiving it existed, and I'm so glad you are becoming THE knowledge for people trying to get better. So that being said, I don't want to take anything away from you because you are awesome for the sport and an excellent teacher, but drawing inspiration from another sport is far different than repackaging a drill in the same sport and not giving credit for it (tho I do believe that you came to your teachings on your own...a good tennis backhand gets you a lot of the way there). And, Brad was completely transparent and celebratory about who he was stealing from (most notably Mike Dunway in golf and Josh Donaldson in baseball), and who in disc golf set the stage for him (Dunipace)...that he has a bad mentality as a coach, I won't argue. Apologies back for a huge response. I think you are great, and I don't even like Brad, but he should at least have a drill named after him. Yes, accurate analysts will independently come to similar conclusions and no one gets to own it, but Brad hit on it about 15 years before the rest of ya'll and with pretty similar sophistication, so I think he deserves some footnotes, as hard as he makes it to be kind to him. Not that it is necessarily your responsibility, but the reins of dgolf knowledge is now significantly in your hands. Anyways I'll link you once I make a good video of disc path shape over trains tracks (kinked infinity loop on a track)...still need to find my Mikey

[@jist6953]

Nice shoutout to Seabass22. OG