Overview of LMS Moguls

[@bianchikat]

Thanks! An informative video and lovely models of fabulous prototypes which i have fond memories of seeing performing less glamorous trains but doing essential work. I used to hear the local pick up shunting in the small yard of our local station for ages before the Ivatt Mogul finally trundled past the end of my garden..

[@crewelocoman5b161]

Many thanks for your observations and the memories. I'm delighted that you enjoyed the session.

[@lyndengrant1657]

Once again a lovely collection and great to see the differences in design and model make over the years.

[@crewelocoman5b161]

Hi Lynden, Many thanks as always for your thoughtful observations. The Lima offering is a very creditable re creation of the 'Crab' for its day. An ambitious project for any rtr manufacturer back then. I believe the tooling caused them a lot of problems but the result is, for me at least, the best model of a steam loco they made.

[@williammcavoywilliammcavoy]

good stuff i remember the ivatt class 4 43000 s 260s in the northeast 1966/67 at north blyth they where filthy some where castoffs from other sheds like 43000 ex 12a

[@crewelocoman5b161]

Many thanks for your observations and memories. Unlike their BR 76000 counterparts they made it into 1968 where they eked out their final days in the North West. I recall seeing a few at Preston ex Lostock Hall and they were to be seen on steel and coal trains in and around Workington on the old Furnace railway right to the very end of steam.

[@TallboyDave]

Funny you were talking about top link work for moguls; I have a book which has a photograph of an LNER K2 as the motive power on a Pullman train.

[@crewelocoman5b161]

It did happen on occasion for sure. I have pictures showing Churchward 43XX Moguls and 45XX 2-6-2 tanks hauling The Cambrian Coast Express complete with headboard and an Ivatt 4MT mogul on the Harwich Continental Boat Train. The point being these were not regular rosters for these locos, their appearance on top links indicating a last minute failure of the booked motive power. Thank you for your observation.

[@TallboyDave]

@@crewelocoman5b161 True enough; it was a Sunday service of the Clacton Pullman, on former Great Eastern Railway metals, if anyone was interested.

[@mytinplaterailway]

Thank you. Fascinating as ever. I wonder why they were called 'moguls' ? Mogal means a very important and rather grand person ( or lots of bumps on a snowy slope ). And then you referred to 'crabs' ? I'd say the Stanier was the best looking, but all the others were more striking.

[@crewelocoman5b161]

I suspect the term 'moguls' originated from American railroads. Certainly Churchward sent his assistant Holcroft to the States to report on developments there and he came back impressed with the work 2-6-0s were doing...which led to the GW 43XX and later Maunsell's N1 in 1917. The 'Crab' was the nickname given to the Hughes/Fowler LMS mogul because of its distinctive massive frontal appearance by the raised footplating at the front to accommodate the huge steeply inclined cylinders giving them that distinctive appearance. If one could ever describe a locomotive as looking like a crab, then it's got to be this one! Many thanks again for your interest and observations.

[@mytinplaterailway]

I knew I'd get a good reply!@@crewelocoman5b161

[@Pirate-Scorcher-1998]

In my honest opinion my favourite lms mogul is the crab and the later ivatt 2mt

[@crewelocoman5b161]

Hello Pirate-Scorcher-1998, I'm with you on that, both of them! Many thanks for your comment as always.