Overwatch 2 Is Intentionally Malicious.

[@xDialDiva]

Thank you for making another one of these videos. I cannot stress how terrible my supposed "Grandmasters" teammates are. They have no sense of positioning, countering, aiming, or even COMMON sense. As a support player, it's impossible to even stay alive, because nobody wants to protect me. Because of this, I go on a dumb-long loss streak until the game suddenly decides to give me teammates that actually PLAY like Grandmasters players. Every game is either stomp or get stomped. I barely get a fair match anymore. It's not fun.

[@XMickleXx]

I love when 80% of my overwatch games, there is that one single player who is under performing more then the whole lobby and he is always in my team, and I also love when I get a silver tank VS a diamond tank

[@mr.miscellaneous9144]

Also, I have an actual theory about this. My belief is that the reason so many low skill players are getting bumped up, is queue times. So many people left the game over the last few season, they needed a way to keep que fairly low. So they sort of... Stretched, the player base across the ranks to keep the matchmaking fast, Albeit horribly unbalanced. It honestly is the only thing that makes sense to me... Plus, hey, if you're low skill but SUDDENLY become a gm... Maybe you'd be willing to buy that skin aye? Aye?

[@omrizubary]

So that's why all my teammates are pure dumbasses who can't follow up on my space taking

[@incomplet1396]

its been ass since launch

[@SteveFard]

it wasn't any better this game actually had players

[@connor4151]

Despite the reviews and negativity, overwatch has a huge player base. Especially the Asian regions have insane numbers.

[@ooooswain]

That's exactly what they did. S1 of OW2 had matchmaking no different than OW1 just with role popularity shifted around. 10+ minute tank queues, 5 min dps queues, 1 min supp queues. Season 2 queues were 1 minute accross the board and if you looked at profiles in your ranked game you were literally getting bronze players in diamond and gold players in GM. I was a diamond 1 tank at the time and got put into a FULL BRONZE LOBBY. I just shreded through everyone the entire game I felt so bad, blizz forced me to smurf. Then seasons 3 and 4 all the dev updates were like "WE IMPROVED MATCHMAKING GUYS!" and on the surface it looked like they did because you stopped seeing low rank badges in your games...until you examined their rank history and found out they were silver for 10 seasons and hit masters for winning 10 games and losing 9. Blizz is just the worst company in the world right now. I'm sure most of the problems come top down so I'm really hoping microsoft turns them around. There's no way they can get any worse, they'll full on rock bottom, I do not believe a company can be worse than blizzard.

[@MiaoNya]

I know for a fact this exists because I was boosted for no reason. I went from Diamond 1 to GM 3 on support (my worst role) in a single season, after only a dozen or so games. I can't play it because I've gotten reported by my teammates every other game for "throwing" because I'm in an Elo I _clearly_ shouldn't be in.

[@mr.miscellaneous9144]

Easy to be top 500 when only 500 people play the game

[@staplesock5549]

That is literally not the issue he is talking about

[@mr.miscellaneous9144]

@@staplesock5549 relax there buddy, it's called a joke, you should try it sometime instead of wearing your thong too tightly

[@ibrahimismail5625]

​@@mr.miscellaneous9144damn💀💀💀

[@mr.miscellaneous9144]

@@ibrahimismail5625 lol

[@Agito191]

I’ve had the game tell me I’m ranked higher than 96% of players and it deranks me 2 tiers after double the wins I have to losses. Game is a mess.

[@ChronoTale6246]

I hate to admit the fact that I can relate to the Bastion. I have been hard stuck Diamond for a majority of my OW career, and I play the game pretty causally. I am far from the worse player out there, but Season 3 and 4 of OW2, the ranked system just kept climbing me up, even when I was playing BAD. I had a 34% win rate on Ana, my main hero that I normally do well with and somehow climbed from Diamond 4 to Master 2 in the course of just 2 weeks. No idea how the game thought I deserved that and it made playing rank miserable because I did NOT want to be ruining matches for people who belong in that rank.

[@tempest2k299]

The sad part is most of the playerbase is bad. A lot of them will gaslight and deny that the matchmaker is shit and is inflating SR for faster queues across the board. They don’t care and neither does blizzard bc both these casual players and competitive players all buy skins regardless. This type of MM benefits the worst players allowing them to win and get that illustrious 50% wr. Everything they changed was to monetize the game. Removing all 30+ OW1 seasons, The level badge with the stars, Removing SR and the new comp system. Its all to make player ranking even more ambiguous so we can’t actually see that we have a career gold player in ow1 in our GM ow2 game. I honestly find the gaslighting playerbase disgusting and should get blizzards nuts outta their mouths and learn to aim instead of buying mercy skins and thinking your GM ranking was deserved. SMDH

[@DoubleAAce]

The thing is you cant even blame that guy its just the match making thats horrrible

[@FavoriteSniper]

No idea what’s going on with the SR economy. In Frogger’s most recent video, he went 5W-2L and ended up deranking. I started off season 6 as GM3, went 5W-3L and deranked to GM5 (higher than 31%). After two sets of 5W-2L, I got back to GM3, then I slowly deranked back to GM5 after three sets of 5W-4L. I’m so pissed off, how are we getting more wins than losses and still managing to derank? Did they make it so when you pass GM, you gain SR at a lower rate so you need at least a 5W-3L to climb? Then I remembered what happen to Frogger and am left completely confused. Even when I got a 5W-5L set, I dropped by 50% on the GM4 bracket… How does that work when I performed well is most of the matches??? I miss OW1’s sr system… It was so straightforward.

[@phineas1112]

That's how they keep you playing the game, the more you keep this winrate, the more you stay addictive to the game, I already left this gamble bs

[@FavoriteSniper]

@@phineas1112 After hitting Masters 1, I actually just stopped playing lol Been almost a week since I played OW and almost two weeks of me not touching ranked. Might pick it up again in a week. Rank right now just sucks.

[@Daniel__2005]

Wish they just fixed the matchmaking on this game. I've only been playing properly since season 8 and I've grinded alot and im level 300+. Im so fed up of getting put with like master ranks and grandmaster ranks when im plat, but thats only because i solo queue and nobody wants to communicate as a team and i dont have any mates to play with as i play this game on my own. Im just sick to death of the really good players who play widow or hanzo who have grinded the game probably since overwatch 1 was around so like 2016-2017 most likely day ones, where as ive only been playing for a few months, its just beyond me tbh.

[@jtk344]

Since matchmaking is so bad i have been playing mystery hero’s because it’s throws another variable in the equation

[@subcorpianwest5658]

Called this a year ago, and players are also just realizing the combination of base health, armor, shield, burst healing, damage reduction, and invincibility is just too much

[@joto5459]

fr and then they don't nerf the good characters, deciding to instead buff the bad ones, and then they keep buffing heroes that probably should have others nerfed to match the weaker characters.

[@ta13s93]

Overwatch hands down has the worst matchmaking in video game history. No cap. I swear Blizzard makes great games (like OW) then gets rid of the entire team that made said game, then pulls mfs off the street at random to update/balance it. EVERY SINGLE UPDATE MAKES THE GAME WORSE! It shouldn't be called "update" or "patch" but instead "DECAY." Every update this game receives further rots away at a game i used to have fun playing. Blizzard is absolutely, unequivocally dogs-hit. The entire development team must share one brain smoothed down into a perfect sphere. They are terrible at their jobs.

[@Dark_memes2]

I swear people play better in quickplay than ranked

[@Subninja2012]

These are BOTS with profiles. It’s half the player base now.

[@RAntonio93]

This is by far the worst season I have ever played of overwatch. I am consistently masters 1 to GM4 on support every season since the start of the game, yet this season the game thinks I am a diamond 1 player??? I have had games this season where my entire team could not get a single kill. In the entire 7 years I have played this game this is the first season EVER that not a single person on my team could get a kill. I have had masters hog players walk in a strait line at the enemy team and get 1800 damage with 0 kills in a 10 minute game. The match maker doesn’t exist anymore. It’s actually the worst matchmaker this game has ever been since the start of OW1. It has been getting progressively worse every single season. I generally don’t get it anymore.

[@michals1108]

I love when my dps/tank is so underperforming when is no point playing at all

[@Nogigi]

I had so many theory on this matchmaking from engagement mm to skin/BP buyer mm or too much SR boost for new player and i just realize it's not that complex, it's just a random matchmaking. (og gm ow1, gm ow2 player)

[@de3invoker965]

its a ranked system based around feelings and also the game is flooded with cheaters (im talking 1-2+ in every lobby) and once you see it it pisses you off even more

[@szyl]

the cheaters are all condensed in gm1+2 for the most part, i havent ran into many in any lower elo games.

[@szyl]

@chargerifleappreciationsoc7073 at that point they're just at that elo lol, I do remember seeing a cheater when I was smurfing in gold, but I would've easily smoked that guy without cheats. At some point it's low impact.

[@marshallgravez]

There are two things keeping me away from rankeds: 1º - These type of "wake up calls" videos, that are really eye openers to guys such as myself to not even bother queueing up for rankeds. 2º - When I'm passionated about a hero, I usually don't switch it off.

[@CROSSFADE69]

At least from my personal observation I think there is an MMR glitch stemming from people's transferring their OverWatch one data and OverWatch two data. Let me explain a large majority of the people I've seen really, boosted have told me that they haven't played a lot since the original OverWatch and decided to rejoin OverWatch. And I remember I was in a game where it was a mid Masters game and I had a few diamonds on my team and a gm vs a team with a diamond a master gm and a top 500 player. But we absolutely smoked the other team so badly that we started to spawn camp them but while viewing their profiles a large majority of them seem to have only recently rejoined since OverWatch 2 came out. That's my personal theory on why matchmaking really bad right now plus a lack of players in general matchmaking when the devs are prioritizing fast matches compared to quality which would obviously increase Q times by significant amount.

[@BendMax]

it's actually hell in "gm" rn. no one knows what in the hell they are doing and like in the first clip, just let the enemy (jq as an example) just run around in your backline while the enemy team's backline just get's infinite space due to the incompetence of your team. this can happen on the enemy team too and it just makes ranked feel like garbage. i wish this game was better.

[@PkBTH]

“There is a planet where that’s top 500.“ is true. It’s this Earth though. There is just “a parallel universe where OW2 is an actual game where comp make sense.” That’s what Top 500 in OW2 currently in this Earth, that’s the sad state of the game. the Top 500 you speak for is in the past or in another parallel universe now. The game is dying faster than the Great Recession. There are no quality left in the game. I came back to play OW2 but painfully can’t. The rank is too random. And there are no depth left, just shoot and win now. I was diamond~master before in OW and should left years ago to other game. The game is different now. I love competitive but I put fun before cuz I have some die-hard friends, and now both are lacking for the game and my friends left before me. Only some friends who are new players left and it’s too hard to help them play now. The game is already dead. That’s definite.

[@thehatter1074]

I completely agree with this!!! So, as we all know at this point, tanking is complete and utter trash. From this and other factors. So, I decided to start grinding support and so far it's been alright. I'm master 2 tank currently and right now a diamond 2 support. My experience so far is that I've been carrying many of my games and the games that I lose just feel unwinnable so it's usually a stomp or I get stomped. And let me tell you it's so frustrating from being stomped and halfway through the game with a negative dps of like 6 and 11 and me checking his rank. On the surface in season 6 it says that he's a diamond 1 dps (or tank) but when checking his past seasons some times I get a god damn bronze 5 to bronze 1. Like how am I getting anywhere near these people? And I feel like I'm improving as support but when these moments happen I just take a break for a few hours vent. And the thing is this happens a lot and I mean a lot and we can't even see the blocked profiles so this could be even worse. Like Christ, I can't even get myself to log on some days because of this. At this point in time I've completely stopped playing tank I cannot have any fun at all and it sucks because that's my main. The reason being is because of this, counters, watered down abilities, and more. Tanking is god awful if your not playing picture perfect and not far and above the best player in the lobby. Sorry for the rant. I made a reply if you want to read more.

[@thehatter1074]

And in the vid you say that the system puts people at higher ranks if they haven't played. I've felt that. In season 3 I played 0 games on tank, the next season from masters 4, I was put into gm 4 lobby and I was going hog wild. Some of the easiest games I've ever played was there. It was like 80% of games I was stomping the lobby. Even if they played counters they could do nothing to me, it was sad. I started getting into streamer games at one point and still stomped, I was so confused. This system is wacky. I've played against OG Pure, Yeatle, Flats, and some others. (though I lost to Yeatle both times I've played against him :(, he's good.)

[@Sqewree]

any tank tips to get better? or links, or just keep playing idk 😭

[@thehatter1074]

@@Sqewree Look up A10, he has some great guides on how to get better and they're easily digestible. He's a a former pro or contenders

[@Idont1clip]

The issue with this is that they can’t reset these players because these players they boosted are now delusional with their actual skill level on the game and if they’re mmr reset along with everyone else they’ll just stop playing the game they want to cater to casual players well that’s the issue with casual players they aren’t going to grind and try to improve they’ll just say stuff is op or unbalanced or whatever option select they want and quit

[@Boss24601]

Yep. I think i’d be a much higher rank if I hadn’t played ow1. Before the switch, i finally managed to grind to diamonds before all my roles being reset to bronze 5. Now my dps is hardstuck BRONZE, my support plat, and tank (my main role) is low-mid gold. Took me so long to even get out of bronze. Now every game is just stomp one side or the other. Haven’t had a fun, fair game since the ow2 beta. It sucks.

[@pinguzfy4954]

the less you play the easier it is to trick the system, if you have roles that are in gm the game automatically ranks you up in the ones that you dont play lol

[@mayo0006]

the stat tracking on career profiles has been broken since ow2 released

[@Donler]

@GREED I know Reddit is usually a cesspool but if you are ever looking for clips of people going 5-2, 5-1, or in at least one case 5-0 AND DERANKING, they're out there in full force this week. The lack of transparency around what is supposed to be OW2's flagship mode -- ranked competitive -- is crazy. Thanks for the content; this game needs more people seeking transparency.

[@AnEveryManJack]

Don't just consider it, stop playing. It's not going to get better if people keep playing. They have no incentive to improve.

[@shmuels2008]

This is very retable i can never rank up because 5-0 is a derank and a 5-7 is a rank up????

[@Eric_Nguyen.]

I completely lost it when I saw the Invasion *Bundle.* I won't support a gaming company that is useless, sexually abusive to their female employees, not listening to their community, pulled out of a whole country, and an unstable ranking system. If I ever go to BlizzCon, I want to ask, "So, when are you going to listen to the Overwatch 2 community and fix everything?" I don't care, kick me out. I got my words out to reach the whole BlizzCon building and most likely go out public.

[@justinrunyon6432]

I just uninstalled this garbage ass game. You get a 60-70 percent win rate over 15 or so games with a hero. Then you start getting morons that are worse then all the people you played with and against to get that win rate. So you start just losing multiple game in a row.

[@KipToothPicc]

As someone hard stuck masters at the moment, and have been for like 2 seasons >.> I know this matchmaking is trash. Consistently have low diamond players as teammates who previous season peaks are like plat against masters+ players who peak gm consistently. Its impossible to progress in most cases then once my mmr is trashed on, they will place me in lower elo lobbies, ill steam roll, get back to where i started mmr wise then it will repeat >.> dog shi* teammates facing players actually playing like the elo we are in or better

[@KipToothPicc]

Also, haven't touched Tank hardly in two seasons compared to my other roles, played 6 games this season to start, won 4 in a row lost 1 won the 6th game, and DERANKED from plat 2 to plat 3, its my worst role which im aware of, but to win 5 and lose 1 and derank? makes no sense at all. Makes me not want to touch the role at all

[@giga9692]

High master player here got paired with a squad full of silvers and the match rank was Plat 1 and they had 3 gm players 😐

[@degenerationx90]

Well, if you want what actually happened to the second guy. He already was gm. The season he wasn't playing is when decay existed. Theh reverted decay and he moved to where his mmr was.

[@abyss3616]

man clearly hasnt heard of the SR monkey every rank update he spins a wheel to decide your fate

[@hellbillyhound]

Matchmaking is fucked because of super long queue times. They opened the skill a little bit to help the wait time. R6 Siege did the same thing with ranked 2.0. Legit gold players are now top 500 champs in siege.

[@jimbob6270]

6:37 It's by design. The algorithm pushes potatoes to the top so as to ensure YOU don't climb to the top too fast.

[@szyl]

The m4->m3 thing is because he won enough games to actually be masters 3, but not rank update is my guess? as for the gm1 boost, every person I know with an inactive account got boosted like 8 ranks (myself included on a smurf of mine)

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

This is by far the biggest issue with OW2, and is my biggest source of frustration with this game. If they could solve this issue, and provide a GENUINE competitive experience, this game would be SUCH a good game. So much potential being squandered by devs who don't seem to play or give a shit about the game. What really bothers me, is the fact this is the single most important thing killing the game by causing a consistently negative experience for the players, and the largest content creators are NOT talking about it and pressuring the devs to fix.

[@0minae]

The atrocious matchmaking with this game and Apex is what single-handedly destroyed my motivation in continuing on playing those games.

[@jingbadatti9956]

ENGAGEMENT OPTIMIZED MATCHMAKING

[@malekguenni9062]

It's been like this since mid of season 3 , I've seen many accounts that got up without even finishing a single update of 5 wins , I also deranked several times even though I went positive , I remember one time I went 5-2 and deranked . They keep saying they're improving the system , in reality they try to solve one problem which ends up creating other problems. U can't improve a broken system , after waiting several seasons for a global and serious fix , it seems that the current OW Competitive team are incompetent, they need to fire these people and bring others with a task of complete rework to the comp system or make a new better fair and efficient system .

[@rd-lw4td]

S3 really screwed me. I deranked to B5 after having 70% win rate. I've been stuck there ever since. I can't get out. I'm plat 5 on my other account! The games are way too inconsistent for me. I get teams I have no idea what to do with because they're so bad. I'm also not a DPS support. You can't play the role properly to get out. Before that huge derank I was in silver. I felt it was deserved at the time. I know I deserved plat 5 on my other account because my win rate is positive. Ironically, my B5 win rate is now negative (it was about 65% for months). It feels the game is convinced to keep me in B5 since S3.

[@hoarsebard]

Overwatch is currently the only game I've ever seen at OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE on steam. Nothing has ever gone that low. It is the lowest rated game on steam as we speak. It's lower than games which are literal scams. Last I checked 9% of it's reviews are positive. How do you do that? How do you get that fucking bad?

[@ooooswain]

This is why I kind of suspect the dev team is doing it on purpose cause they hate Kotic. He's doing everything he can to reap more money and the devs don't want him to have it so they make game bad. I had low expectations for OW2 but they completely blew my expectations out of the water. I underestimated just how bad they are capable of making a game. Literally everything about it is worse. Worse gameplay (5v5), worse matchmaking, worse ranked system, worse rank medals, worse monetization, worse balance, worse voice lines, worse art, worse hero design. The only thing good about it was cc reduction but then they went and added more and this atrocious cree nade.

[@XxPlus6xX]

I thought I was the only one talking about this. The season 3 boost to tons of people seemed to be ignored by the big youtubers. I've been masters/low GM for 7 years and now I'm getting games that are so unwinnable it's insane. I've dropped to diamond 1 and I'm literally stuck now, so bad that I started to theorise that maybe there's a shadow ban like system that keeps you somewhere and finds people on a losing streak or something. I have never ever experienced this in ow1.

[@XxPlus6xX]

Also my friend who has played off and on and has been plat/diamond got the season 3 boost all the way to GM 2 on dps.

[@keg7991]

my guess is its the retention based matchmaking theory thats in the league community

[@L33730]

I’m curious if a previous bug is contributing to this? Where if you disconnect during a comp match it resets your lose streak. Basically allowing you to rank up regardless. I have issues at times with disconnecting in game and I have to rejoin. I swear having this happen helped in ranking up. Vs in situations like the poster mentions, having a positive win rate and being de-ranked even though you did good. This also has happened to me numerous times. Where you get punished for winning and either stay in the same rank or derank. This happened multiple times and took multiple rank updates to just get past. Whats funny is I had a situation where I did worse than a previous update yet it ranked me up lol.

[@Kresimir_]

Stuff like this not only degrades the ranked experience for everyone but makes it unsatisfying when you do rank up. I held a ~70% winrate across my first 70 or so games this seanson on dps and ranked up 5 divisions while the bastion player you should went up further than i did with one win lol

[@Thispersonisreal]

behold the "things will get better trust us" card from actiblizz, the same one they used like 100 times already

[@Nayutune]

Oh don't worry! The last season was the best it's ever been, so is this one! Oh man.. Next season will be the best it's ever been too! Damn Overwatch 2 is killing it? Doesn't it? Every single season is the best it's ever been! /s

[@joshuafarnham5863]

This is probably the best guide on how to rank up on youtube. Just dont play the game, ez pz.

[@swiigy1393]

the same thing actually happened with my ow account on console, since i play pc i dont play on xbox ow at all anymore and i was gm4 on tank.. after being plat 1 my last season i played.. my peak on console was masters on support (this was before they implemented the rule where if you dont play a game for a season you lose your rank)

[@swiigy1393]

2:20 "terrible cooldown usage" as he tries to eat a rock with grasp (this is a joke i agree with the video lol)

[@GREED_EU]

Yeah I even said on stream "Am I retarded?"

[@l0ker507]

Instead of fixing their matchmaking, they made 50 games a requirement to being top500, lol

[@caseyvertz8861]

I have been convinced that the game is lying about matchmaking to hedge wins and loses. I am Gold/Plat peek and I keep getting Diamond Enemy teams... Not one Diamond enemy.... The entire Enemy team is Diamond! I climb to Plat 1 and have a positive win rate and I am promoted to Silver 3 to grind all over.

[@adamchu2001]

The problem is the MMR / Skill Tier Division / Skill Rating silent modifiers. We can assume that SR is still active in the back end of the game because you can be within 10/5/3 Divisions of another player but be outside of the old Overwatch 1 SR Comp Grouping boundaries of like 1000 SR and the game will throw the SR is too far apart error when queuing into comp. Which means STD is just a shitty wrapper of SR and honestly it and 5v5 ruined the format. The game matches a game based on MMR (Which is mega inflated cause low player population the game is trying to keep Rank Divisions at a set percentage of the player base (They said as much in a Dev Blog a while back) the problem is new players come into the game at like stone tier and then old mid-high level players jumped ship to other games. OW1 Bronze -> OW2 Gold OW1 Diamond -> OW2 GM, etc.) and assigns a SR/STD. But if you win against this lower average you only gain maybe 60% of the SR than if you were at the average number. And then losing when your above the average is also like 1.5x normal so you dropped a rank because with all the "modifiers" you were like 5-9. Its a really shit way of displaying SR because in OW 1 you saw the needle move at the end of a game. Also after like Diamond they got rid of the SR modification based on MMR disparities and made it a flat number for W/L (Still think losses worth more than wins). In OW2 because you have to wait 5/5 matches to see an outcome it feels worse cause it subconsiously makes you think I've gone positive or 5/4 means up/no change in STD/SR where in actuality its more along the lines of 5/1-2 is going up everything else will be a regression.

[@ooooswain]

...I didn't understand anything you said, but if you're saying the ranked system is still a ranked system, I have screen shots of someone that was gold in every single season in OW1, and every season in OW2 until season 4 they hit diamond with a 20% win rate. I just don't see how anything could justify that or the profiles shown in this video. If they hit diamond from rank inflation, it would have happened in the earlier seasons, not in S4. In fact I don't believe we have any rank inflation anymore because OW2 has probably retained 500 new players. The only people still playing this game are the people who've been playing so long it's hard to stop, and population data is pointing to that. Twitch views, Google trends have all dropped to the same numbers we had at the end of OW1. It's pretty obvious to me blizz just trashed rank for fast queues and baiting people every way they can to buy skins.

[@adamchu2001]

@@ooooswain Okay will break it down to make it simpler to understand. Overwatches Ranked System has always been complicated and kinda dumb. MMR or Match Making Rating is Blizzards magical number that was based on things like Player Peformance, Accuracy, Win Rate over Hero Type (Attack/Defense/Support/Tank), etc... this number is the actual backbone behind the Match Maker. In Overwatch 2 they did a partial decay of this number if you were a lapsed player. Skill Rating is a visual representation of MMR and is from 1-5000. They have never done a full MMR reset in Overwatches lifespan. They did do an MMR Decay between OW1->OW2 if you took a break between the two games because you probably not as good as you were. Skill Tier Division is just a badge on top of the Overwatch 1 Skill Rating System (There is still a situation in OW2 where it Says SR NOT STD and acts on SR) Blizzard want to keep player ranks tied to percentage of Active Player MMR. So for example GM & Top 500 only equates to around 1.5% of all players, Masters is around 3%, Diamond is around 10%. The problem is that when the playerbase drops in the Lower-Middle Skill Tiers like Gold/Plat and you add a fuck load more Bronzes, the problem is that Diamonds get pushed outta Diamond Into Masters. A fix for this woulda been an Iron Rank below Bronze or a rank in between Plat/Diamond. In S4 Silver, Gold, Plat, and Bronze dominated maybe like 85% of all players and that pushes everyone up. Your STD/SR is actually being updated at the end of every match internally. You only see it after 5 Wins / 5 Losses but it changes every match. Again same situation as above. The game also has player positions. So if you are in the "Carry" position you have a higher MMR/SR/STD than the lobby average and therefore get punished for it. There is also the "Carried" Position which lowers the SR penalty for Losing/Tieing (If the MMR/SR disparity is too high it makes it positive like being Diamond in a GM Game you probably comming out SR Neutral or SR Positive even if you lose) but dramatically increases it from Winning. The game in order to make you get to where the game thinks you should be in "Skill" modifies how much SR you gain/lose at the end of a match. This is to quickly get your SR/STD to line up with your MMR in principle but inactuality it sucks ass. For example you are @Greed and your MMR is like top 1% of players. And you lose a game that was MMRd at the average of top 4% players the game goes Greed shoulda easily won that cause he is better at the game and lowers his SR by a fuck load. Even if you have a DPS Moira in a GM game and achieved nothing except throwing. OW1 had a SR Modifier for post game performance that did not get carried into OW2. So lets say you were shit and you played Soldier and went 15 Kills and 30 Deaths did nothing of note. The game would then take SR off you post game for having a negative KD, but your team still won. You would probably be the carry position, so your SR penalty is lowered overall. You'd probably still go positive towards a rank up but it would be maybe half the SR as someone who actually deserved it. MMR is not split between QP/Comp so its theoretically possible to go to GM1 by being GM QP lobbies and then jumping to Competitive for 5 games. In Seasons 1-3 they did something stupid which is to shunt everyones SR/STD down a couple divisions. As a way of increasing Player Time Investment, this came from Overwatch 1's GM 3900 SR experience which was awful because it didnt touch the MMR just SR. This meant if you were Gold and got Shunted into Silver/Bronze you are playing against the same Golds you were last season but you have a Silver Badge. In the grand scheme of things its actually possible to Rank Up whilst losing if the game has decided that your SR/STD and MMR do not line up. You might go this person X is a Gold Player why is he Masters 4 when he has never gotten outta Gold in their playtime. A) Rank Inflation due to "MMR required to keep Masters at 3% of the overall playerbase is lowered". B) He is always the carry position in these games and therefore is still going positive even if he loses. C) Without Performance Based SR Modification it makes it harder for the MatchMaker to go your actually not supposed to be here. D) OW 2 has a streaking system so if you gain MMR consistently you end up on the anti-smurfing system and then get MMR boosts again which can happen from QP.

[@muckdriver]

In S3->4 they adjusted everyone to their real rank. Instead of having QP MMR, Comp MMR, Comp rank. In season 4 everyone got their comp rank to match their comp MMR alot of people got bumped up and some stayed the same it's why you saw 1 game won but still being a higher rank.

[@recon1506]

I hit masters on tank and had a guy who played zen against doom reaper and tracer called tank diff when im having to constantly peel for him then swapped to mercy around the last 1 minute

[@MrTheChris96]

Was playing in Diamond all my life. Now I really cant win silver lobbies unless I really carry Hard. Just uninstalled 😂

[@warmike]

the one "mega trolling" is the matchmaking

[@btrayed]

makes me think about R6 rank system where you can play against champs while being bronze and having silvers teamates

[@ORACLEOW]

Oh this happens to me every single day hahaha, grinding top 100 DPS NA. I get top for example: 200 Win a game then i'm top 215 (after winning), then i lose 1 game and now i'm at top 240. technically i'm still at 1-1. Great system cant complain.

[@tomrijnders]

These people getting masters/gm hurts as a plat player, our lobbies are DREADFUL. It's a random mismatch of people that play anywhere from bronze to masters, and every single game is extremely one-sided. For a support player like me it's just a coin toss to see who has a smurf on their team, yet people like the bastion in the video get to be top 500..... make it make sense

[@tomrijnders]

the other part of the video showing you deranking with a positive winrate: on my dps I was silver 1, I went 5-1 and it placed me down to silver 2. Then I went 5-1 again right after, and I *stayed silver 2*. It took another 5-0 for me to barely rank up to silver 1 with higher than about 40%....

[@Kanudee]

real i was trying to lose matches so i can play with my friends on tank because my friend want to play dps and i went 5 and 16 and got placed high masters when my peak on OW2 was diamond 2. Last season i did not even play tank and the season before i was plat 1 and the 1st season peaked diamond 2. In OW1 it was top500 on console and GM on pc so i know thats where i should be but i was not trying on all my matches playing way worse than i would normally and still got placed higher then i ever have,

[@szyl]

1:45 saying 'diamond 4 peak' and 'he was top 500' here is a little malicious. He was m5 in season 1, and he PEAKED top 500, didn't end it (or even close). The first few days of the top 500 ladder generally started in like masters 4 before and now that 50 wins are required, there aren't even a full 500 (at least for tank, and even a few days in there STILL aren't a full 500)

[@GREED_EU]

That is not how the peak is calculated. If you hit top 500 at Masters 1, and then rank up to GM5 but it's not top 500 anymore, then your peak will say GM5, not a position in Top 500. Meaning this player hit top 500 somwhere in GM, while being a low masters/diamond level player, all across 1 season. In Overwatch 1, the difference between a low masters player, and a low GM player was SO staggering, that the skill disparity would be enormously different between even just winning and losing 1 game. a 3600 player would consistently dominate a 3500 player and it wouldn't even be close. Now compare that to a 4000SR player going against a 3500SR player. The skill difference there is about the difference between and OW bronze player, and OW Diamond player. Going from M5/D4 to GM5/top 500 in season is a ludicrous climb that can only be explained by him either being hard smurfing (He wasn't, he was awful) or a malicious MM algorithm. There are VERY LITTLE players able to make the climb for 3900 to 4000 in 1 season, let alone 3500 to 4000/top 500.

[@szyl]

@@GREED_EU I don't think that works the same (if it worked like that in OW1, it might not in 2) because every single season where I've hit top 500, it keeps the highest top 500 rank as my "peak" even when I did hard derank one season (such as in season 4 where I hit rank 471, dropped from gm5->m1, climbed from m1 back to gm5, and my "peak" is still rank 471) . That being said the s3/4 rank boost is very real and still weird to me, I've been GM ever since the s3 boost (I was m5 before) and even after playing a solid amount of games, but I still don't feel like a GM player lol.

[@szyl]

tried commenting the raw video and image/live game proof I have of this, but since they had links it seems they don't show up

[@GREED_EU]

I've been top 500 for 7 years and it has worked the same the entire time. If I hit top 500 at GM2. Derank out of top 500 and sink to GM3. Stop playing for a month. And then come back and win all my games to GM1. My peak would be GM1, not top 500, because top 500 isn't a rank, it's a sticker over your rank to indicate that you are in the top500 highest ranked players in your region, meaning the rank peak would overwrite the top500 peak because GM1 is higher than GM2, regardless of the fact I may have been top 500 in my time as a Gm2. It has always worked like that.

[@phut6625]

Have you seen Eskay’s video recently? The devs responded the video. Matchmaking is awful. I’m diamond 4 and got queued up with a gold 5. I shouldn’t be with that player. Also decay applies every role not a specific comp mode

[@JaYLeGnD]

its sad to see tbh the system is working for me atm i didnt play for 2 seasons and they deranked me when i went 5-5 i went from masters 5 to diamond 5 now im diamond 4 currently 3-0 enjoying flashpoint atleast

[@julicomo9815]

The reason why some streamers catch shill accusations is bc they never bring up shit like this until the community start getting louder. Glad Greed is actually talking about how bad matchmaking has been. Blizzard gave up on comp.

[@somenerdpng]

I feel this badly, I am ranked roughly high plat, low diamond. (From my general skill across ranks) I feel like I should probably be more mid plat if anything, but either way. I was able to rank up to D2 on both tank and dps, maybe I had some good games and teammates sure, but it was so obvious when I was in a lobby with a diamond player of the same rank. I would get stomped. And just the other night I was plat 2 and enemy tank was destorying me, just a bad game I thought. Checking ranks he was D2. A full division higher than my current rank, with a peak of masters 3 or 4 if I remember correctly. Like come on.

[@wm8401]

It all makes sense when I operate under the assumption that the OW team rightfully despises it's player base.

[@racmanov]

How can they so easily advance. I barely touched master in season 4 with a ton of grinding in season 3 and 4 (i was on medical leave so i had a lot of time). And i was constantly dragged down by people who completely refuse to reset or with people that have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Likle counting pharah mercy with sym and junk... masters aparanetly. Or people , a lot of the time dpses, who end the game with 3k damage and somewhere around 2/15.... How. Rank should be also determined from your performance. Like if i lose but landed every fckin shatter (and those were only fights we won) and blocked every single opponent one, how hard is to track that. And i am not saying i am gm. When i watch top players i can hold up mechanically but i lack some knowledge about good rotation spots. And i am a bit to aggressive sometimes. But compared to people i play a lot of the time it is like i was playing with toddlers. Geez i have frein who i regularly play qp with, and is plat one and he is a lot better. But i cant play with him since sr diff is to high BUT i get people from similar rank from matchmaker... sig. Rant over

[@notmercy7610]

i thought i was the only one who experienced this, i haven't went less than 10 losses since season 4 where i peaked masters 4 going 5-12 but now im going 5-7 5-5 on average and can't rank up or straight up get deranked even though the game litteraly says im ranked higher than 60-80% or even 90% of the players in my tier. The ranking system is really confusing me and idk if im trash or if the ranking system is bugged

[@ps3usrdir]

So I got gold 3 for 10 loses, some rage quitters and worst possible team. I just had only 5 wins I should have bronze not gold wtf is wrong with rankeds now.

[@rokkalombardi2196]

When this vid came out i wasnt playing OW2 but ive been trying to pick it up again. The quality of my matches has been awful. I could get to Master in OW1 and now I cant even maintain a positive record in Plat. Dont get me wrong im definitely washed compared to those days lol but if im 23-4 and my dps are 9-12 by the end of the match theres a problem.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

chances are the reason the tank was beefed up so high was because of hidden mmr, which takes into account quickplay games and whatnot. he prob played a lot of quickplay and somehow cheesed the system.

[@koko-hh2bq]

Feels like this game just caters to casuals. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but when that kinda treatment gets put into the competitive mode, it never ends well for the game. It's because of this buggy ass ranked system that I just play QP. There's pretty much no difference between Comp and QP anymore

[@Karthig1987]

I only played ow1 till like season 4 then fell off for some reason. Was the matchmaking back then better?

[@KoiOW]

its called the "season 3 boost", all the bad people you see in high rank rank up from like shitlow to masters/gm in season 2 going into season 3

[@lazerzz2514]

I don't even care about my rank at this point. I just want fun matches but keep going on losing streaks with dps that are 10 16.

[@literallysweden]

dude the thumbnail looks really nice

[@GREED_EU]

[@ninjapurpura1]

So the secret is stop playing to rank up? Got it

[@purrcat6930]

I got a question does you're MMr from unrack influnece you're comp rank?

[@OrangeStarHighSchool]

*how was I even able to play overwatch 2 on Friday when servers weren’t up for any console or pc?* 🤔

[@omrizubary]

So thats why this season i've been getting dumbass teammates

[@juxtaposed39]

what if that bastion was playing drunk or high?

[@hkmorhsi]

Well what they mean by "improving it", they, the company behind it tweaking a system or algorithm, make it for "fairness and inclusivity". They are basically trying to make a larger amount of players to keep playing the game and potentially buying merch, or at least strongly encouraging them. Usually by matchmaking stronger players with very weak ones, likely to carry the game for them, not the ones strong but not enough to make the game feel easy for the weaker player. Why? Because stronger players are already returning customers. They are the most loyal and dedicated players. They will tweak the game to make it a little challenging, not directly but by any buff or nerf or new hero or champ or map, and of course weaker players. If I was a psychopathic game company exec, thats what I would do, especially when I'm at the end of a financial bubble, with corporate debt high up my ass, low profitability due to low demand due to inflation, and in need for bonuses before the market crashes and I resign before the whole shit goes bankrupt. Just look up where the CEOs and execs come from, and who they are.

[@hkmorhsi]

Applicable to every online live competitive game. I think it could be the same for sports too but more fucked.

[@mc_3232]

I really have no idea how you can go positive and derank. On 2 of my accounts this season this has happened. Where i've when 5-2 and 5-3 and went down almost 2 divsions. Like on what planet is that the intended outcome.

[@baldurleon2880]

Wait “Higer then 36% of players” are there more players in higer then masters 2?!???

[@GREED_EU]

I was higher than 36% of players in Masters 2. Means my elo was 3836.

[@Petrichorus-]

It's hard to make it through the video when portions of it are just trashing a person repeatedly with different insults (the bastion). You made your point but wasted more time with negativity that is hard to relate to as someone who wasn't affected by your match. I hope you have a good youtube career since this is getting in people's recommended but personally I can't stand the negative trashing at the beginning of the video enough to watch it all the way through. It feels like listening to someone vent in a team chat but I believe you that the ranking is messed up from the little I saw. 👍

[@melkman2]

Bro I’m in gold this season I was diamond last season I got 5wins 0 losses 3 times in a row and ranked up from g2 to g1 💀💀💀 I give up

[@Karthig1987]

Maybe the profiles are bugged?

[@kyubbikcat2281]

“Skill issue” am I right lol

[@chillociraptor5007]

And the opposite can happen to. Like me placing Gold 1 FIVE times in a ROW last season. Each placement with better games, better damage, more kills, and more wins. My final placement was 5W and 1 loss with the best stats in each game, and I still got Gold 1. There has to be something wrong with the matchmaking. I sometimes match with GM players too. Idk wtf is going on.

[@jango_5882]

Its because one season they changed everyones rank to their mmr so for me i went from play to masters withought touching the role dps

[@ValidIsCool]

so... dont play ranked.

[@arbalest327]

You should see d2 matchmaking, it is insanely shitty, this and d2 matchmaking for pvp are the worst thing ive seen almost. Seriously tho d2 and this game love copying each other to failure LMAO

[@its_lucky252]

actually you're just hard stuck top 500

[@xythiera7255]

Dont think its matchmaker its just how broken and easy bastion was or still is to how easy he is to play so you just boost throw ranks with peopl that just get destroyed by the insane damage and when you are in a high enoth rank you can realy easy just not play more then the minimum games so there is not enoth data to derank you

[@johnfortres]

Doofus, its obviously cause you didnt buy this seasons battlepass. Only rich people get to rank up buddy

[@connor4151]

I think match making is a very complex issue which no multiplayer game cab really solve. All fps games have this issue with competitive but with overwatch its more noticeable because of the differences in game sense movement and character abilities.

[@Boss24601]

Overwatch 1 rarely had this issue. Some stupid dev over there pressed a button and fucked it all up. It used to work a majority of the time.