How I PROVED Overwatch is rigged...

[@GREED_EU]

No, I am not saying Blizzard only lets popular content creators into high ranks OR that people who ARE high rank are shills. It's just an attractive thumbnail

[@devilstriangle1104]

I think they do, cus they are the only ones taking this game relatively serious, rest of the numbers is filled up by blizzard AI bots, who couldnt tell left from right and are genuinely confused on where the point is.

[@julicomo9815]

Hard agree with the thumbnail. Based thumbnail stand by that shit and be about it.

[@L33730]

It really does feel like matchmaking is so bad across the board in all ranks that I can’t believe blizzard didn’t rig this shit to make money off of noobs and to make an excuse for no integrity with their matchmaking. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Take no accountability and gaslight the skilled players.

[@L33730]

It’s rigged and terrible lol

[@Noseflap-watching]

I thought it was that you want the shills to watch the video

[@tayzonday]

This is 100% the case at lower talent levels too. On a brand new account I’m low plat. On an established account, I get stuck in mid silver to gold. Every capable player’s maximum value to Blizzard is babysitting worse teammates as much as possible. This speeds up matchmaking and prioritizes new customer experience. The dishonest part is Blizzard lying that your medal rank reflects objective ability level. Medal rank reflects your APPROXIMATE ability level within a ten-division span- like my span is Silver 3 to Plat 4 and yours is Diamond 3 to GM 4 or whatever. But Blizzard will try to keep you toward the bottom of your “ability span” as much as possible to confiscate your “labor” to onboard terrible players- and LIE to you with lower medal ranks to gaslight you into doing the work of babysitting by thinking *you* somehow got worse.

[@GREED_EU]

Chocolate rain

[@kyouhyung]

I had a similar experience. When OW was first release I preordered it, just like what I did with all the other games they made. When ranked matches were introduced, I was placed in gold. Just before my last season I managed to solo all the way to platinum. Right the next season I got like 20 lose streaks, dropping my score to sub 1600 (yeah it was OW1) I had enough, shut down the entire account, and never played any Blizzard games ever since and never regretted it. I admit, I'm not a very good player and skill issue was definitely a part of it, but it's not like OW was the first ever FPS I played. I know how games work, and on other FPSs I often manage to get to ranks equivalent to master, and I couldn't come up with an explanation that could convince myself that this matchmaking was normal.

[@ambitiousmuslimrecordings]

Never thought the chocolate rain dude games.

[@Kimtron142]

I started to realize that every game I won, I was completely useless because my teammates were actual gods and the enemy were a bunch of brainlets. Every game I lost, I held my own, but my teammates were the brainlets and the enemy team were gods. It's not a fair fight and I'm tired of blaming myself. I can't get better if the enemy team is steamrolling us. I can't get better if my team is doing the steamrolling while I freeload.

[@deadspace4755]

That's the same scenarios as mine. l am seriously thinking of deleting the game from my life. l am not playing rank but constantly losing one sided games despite giving a good performance on QP,arcade or Ranked is beyond insanity. Even Applies to LOL too, they all use the system. All of them have patterns that you feel while playing games. These scenarios above are the patterns you and I feel. It's not random and certainly not natural. So l am asking you, should l delete this? Just an opinion l want

[@kirk-]

@@deadspace4755 if you are a solo q person, i would delete it. if you play with friends, keep it. im in that predicament too but only thing holding me back from quitting are my friends who still play.

[@deadspace4755]

@@kirk- Even with "friends" it is still not enough. Most people just play with you with no real communication. As for real friends, sooner or later, we will all acknowledge how bad this is. It's not about overwatch but it is about the system and how it uses us as products. Whenever l play a game, l always feel like there is a pattern. I think about it and see how it goes. One thing for sure, whenever l play it, even if l play relaxed; lot of wasted time has passed and l got tired. l feel exhaustion, that's not good from a game. Not including over spent time playing over 4 hours, l mean in general

[@LyIaKing]

This is literally my matchmaking for the past 5+ seasons, the worst part is even if my duo and I manage to carry and win it doesn't feel satisfying at all because I feel like I aged 10 years with all the stress I got from covering for my brainlet teammates.

[@nhedd0s839]

You need to learn team synergy. You were freeloading in both scenarios. Saying the ranked system is broken is just pure copium.

[@shy1034]

I just want the devs to admit it at this point. Anyone defending this system rn is delusional.

[@erjohn5404]

samito

[@erjohn5404]

@@Cushingura he said the sbmm right now is fair. But he is losing his sanity more every time.

[@jeremyyamma4364]

@@erjohn5404Samito’s a toxic d*** tho

[@robinbinder8658]

yall ttippin go outside and touch gras

[@malikhallsmith]

@@erjohn5404sbmm was in the old cods there’s sbmm in wow. Why wouldn’t ow have it you feel me

[@devilstriangle1104]

blizzard's loves new accounts, cus they think they are getting these 'modern' new audiences, but they have the same players on like 20 alts, thats why the OW playercount always stays the same.

[@willtheconqueror6148]

Don’t tell the unaware paste eaters on reddit this. Those dummies think overwatch is on the up and up

[@SkrtSkrtBubbleGumSquirts]

COD and other fps games do the same they give new accounts a slight advantage in some way to keep them playing if you start a game and get shit on you won't play as much

[@XarronChaos]

@@willtheconqueror6148 youi're being too generous by saying paste eaters. They more of crayon munchers

[@goth_papi5167]

I made a post ther other day on how the matchmaking is rigged you go in on a 3-4 w then get 3-4 losses. Sometimes you will get a team that has no business being matched up against the other group.

[@erjohn5404]

this is so true, I have this alt that that is hard stuck mid plat but BUTTTTTT i have another account(s) all of my accounts that is hard stuck mid diamond.

[@sniclops15]

New accs: *Unranked to GM in 85 games!* Old accs: *Unranked to GM in 400 games*

[@jamsquan9415]

i went on a 15 win streak on my account from 2016 today and a 10 win streak yesterday, literally only lost 3 games in 2 days and gone from low plat to mid diamond. i feel like i’m playing a different ranked system than what everyone here is experiencing??

[@aydentardif]

Unranked to masters in 400 games would be a miracle, let alone GM, lol

[@TheRealTaolf]

@@aydentardifi haven’t had it in me to play 400 in a season since OW1

[@aydentardif]

@@TheRealTaolf Save yourself the pain, stay strong

[@KnucklesWTD]

They expect you to carry EVERY game as an old account no matter what

[@xEvilRaptorx]

Ive noticed that, as an OW1 diamond main tank. The queue says support is most needed but when I queue as fill i get tank 9 out of 10 games

[@JugsMcNasty]

Bro thats exactly how I feel 😂 like I'm a chaperone on a school field trip😂😂😂 like wtf are these kids doing

[@DodgeThatAttack]

@@xEvilRaptorx every fucking queue will say

[@Sirpatpat]

Literally this. I was pushing Diamond during OW1 and had always trended into high plat. Now I am stuck gold 3-5 Fluctuating constantly and getting random teams with people who seemingly are in the wrong rank.​ It's wild. @@xEvilRaptorx

[@-user_redacted-]

​@@xEvilRaptorx I honestly think it prioritizes your main unless you specifically don't select it. I main support but I usually queue tank/support or dps/support just to have a bit of variety. I kid you not when I say I'm support for over 95% of my matches. My friend mains tank but queues tank/dps or tank/support, and he gets put on tank at least 90%.

[@BeforeThisNovember]

THANK YOU. More top players need to speak out about this. There’s no way it’s normal to go on a 11 lose streak after I’ve just carried the last 4 and/or had really good games. This happens so many times. They have absolutely designed it to maximise play time and so you don’t rank up too fast.

[@BeforeThisNovember]

I’m absolutely sick of being told “hard stuck isn’t a thing” when I’m literally witnessing everything to indicate it ABSOLUTELY IS A THING every single day I play this cesspit of a game.

[@kalismols606]

Real I went on a 21 loss streak it was insane I was trying my best

[@BeforeThisNovember]

@@kalismols606 ok 21 is crazy 😂 my max is 11 but 6-8 is regular Not played OW for a couple weeks tho, been playing The Finals instead and been having way more fun.

[@kalismols606]

@@BeforeThisNovember I play support mainly juno I average at 17 k heals to 21 elims so I'm not sure what more I can do

[@BeforeThisNovember]

@@kalismols606 what rank

[@borrow4654]

I always said unranked to GMs are bulshit because people use new accounts for them

[@mozkuthehermit5909]

Yea in newer account manipulating MMR is the key If you can push it artificially high as possible, games own MMR system will be your greatest tool because it will push you "where you belong" If you are actually competive player, you will do this thing sooner or later and your first games on that newer account is most important ones than actually your first ranked games Your first ranked games will be the scope what you will use as scope to calculate can you reach your desired rank In overwtach you want to land on high plat - low diamond so you know you can climb to high ranks easily because of bloated mmr If you play lol, your desired starting rank is either high plat-diamond 4 so you can gain 34-38 lp per win and only suffer 3-8 lp per loss In new accounts, treat your first games like your life depends on them so you can bloat MMR high as possible and play like that is your last day on earth

[@ni9274]

plenty of unranked to GMs made on older account

[@mozkuthehermit5909]

@@ni9274 this is kinda worse in a sense if people do this On older accounts even if you havent played on them since OW1 times and made it to GM ranks at one point Those accounts have MMR ranks saved up so if you come back it will shoot you way up in a system even if you are not ready for it There was and still is a problem that people who havent played ranked for a long time has been sent to way too high for their confort zone so and people who are rusty arent able to compete with current generation of higher elo of OW scene So they will get flamed and on some ocations recorded to shame them on youtube/tiktok Some do deserve the shame for buying older account or MMR manipulated account So in a sense you still use different kind of MMR manipulating Only way Blizzard could save up ranked ladder at this point is cold hearted hard reset what no game till this point havent done But knowing Blizzard current situstion Never gonna happen

[@TurtleHax-fc7qr]

Can't have it two ways. People boost constantly w not much trouble. I don't think it's that. The mmr adjusts itself relatively quickly if u are significantly better than your rank.

[@anvildragon7927]

@@TurtleHax-fc7qr my main question is how far back does the mmr calculate your true rank, if it’s 20 games fine 10 sure 100 no wonder it takes forever.

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

I read on a dev blog, or somewhere else, that Blizzard likes to pair new accounts and old accounts together. The theory is the old accounts can babysit and help provide a structured experience for the new player so the new player will enjoy themselves (creating a new recurring customer). Which is smart and all from a business pov, but they don't seem to take into account that it makes for a poor experience for the veteran. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[@itzpurple_queen9711]

That is definitely happening to me. I have been playing since 2018 and I keep getting put with people that definitely don’t have much experience with the game and don’t belong in the lobby 😂

[@ni9274]

source ?

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

@@ni9274 it was in one of their dev blogs a while ago, i don't remember exactly... all past dev blogs remain on their site to go read

Here's what actually happens: the old players try to provide that structured experience but the garbage new players say "well you don't heal".

[@47ndrant42]

Also puts people with skins with people hesitant to spend money on skins to convince them further to start buying their overpriced bs

[@DevinDTV]

It's verifiably rigged. It's easy to test and reproducible. All you have to do is purposely derank an account. After a while it starts to give you *completely* unloseable games. You can literally be duo'd and *both* afk and *still* win the game. Your teammates will literally win 3v5. It's insane. Anyone who has tried to climb will know that games like that are completely impossible ordinarily, but when you are deranking they are common, if not the majority. It was actually tilting how hard it was to lose, unironically genuinely tilting. There is absolutely no way to explain this other than match rigging.

[@drawingablank3904]

My main account is from mid ow-1, I almost never played ranked except with one buddy, we were a dogshit duo and we're stuck mid-silver for about a year. I played solo and got to low plat and I couldn't budge an inch above that point, even in ow2 while queued with some masters friends on alts, slamming at 5:2 W/L. I gave the account to my buddy because I quit for over a year, it took him that entire year to get the account out of gold, said it was cursed. I'm ranking my alt rn and I'm already omw to diamond off of maybe 2 dozen games.

[@ooooswain]

My main account is hard stuck diamond. I hit gm on a new account 6 months ago and have maintained the rank just fine ever since. Overwatch has extremely heavy mmr that can make old accounts hard stuck if they spend enough time in a certain rank and this is basically confirmed from actual dev comments saying "the more play time an account has, more sure mmr is of where you belong". This account is my old drunk account so it spent years in plat and diamond. If you think about it, overwatch actually needs to have heavy mmr for the ranked system to function. Realistically your impact as 1/5th of your team is too small to carry yourself past a certain point without mmr. It has to have a system that judges your skill level and then gives you team mates to push you up or down ladder based on where it believes you should be. This is why overwatch is so streak heavy and your win loss patterns usually look like this "win win win win win", "loss loss loss loss loss", "win loss win loss win loss". There's the winners queue, losers queue, and 50/50 queue. It gives you either of these based on your mmr history and how it perceives your performance. So climbing in overwatch is really all about performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe you deserve to be higher. Then you will notice your team mates become much better. This is why steam rolls are so common, because the mmr system is often trying to push people up or down ladder. It just becomes much more difficult to change the mmr systems opinion of you when you're on an account that performed at a certain level for a long time. And it's become far worse with OW2s garbage matchmaking. Anyone who plays over multiple accounts would likely tell you what I say is true cause many of us have experienced hard stuck accounts and then easily get out of where we were hard stuck after making a new account. They really need to rework the mmr system, it's way too sticky. I can't get out of diamond/gold/plat no matter what I do on my main account. The team mates it gives me literally play like silver players. My other account is GM/diamond/diamond and it's far easier to win games cause it actually gives me competent team mates. It's such an incredibly stupid system to have your rank determined by a bots opinion of your skill. And why would anyone buy skins when they figure this out? Once the bot has a strong opinion of you, you will never budge in rank ever again.

[@deus2243]

My 7 year old main account is hardstuck diamond too, but my 3 year old alt is currently gm5 top 230.. So yeah..

[@Pes._]

No you do budge you just need a 70+ winrate for 20+ games to go from d3 to m5 till the rank reset ofc

[@nathancasey7712]

Its funny I was masters/GM in ow1 but didn't play first few season of ow2. Then when I came back I played on a steam deck so I was just throwing games 😂. Now I've been hard stuck diamond/plat ever since.

[@matthewking7571]

The thing is, it's not like the game tracks what players are doing in these games. It has no way to determine the subjective skill, or human component. No video game has a flawless team ranked mode. The game has smurf detection ad well, so it'll push you farther faster. This "problem" is rather easy to explain. Look at any community, they have this issue. People don't like the fact that ranked systems are designed to put you where you belong, not where you want It is rather unfortunate that people's history can hold you back. But that's how they are designed to be on their fair, but competitive side

[@baldfelix1841]

few things just wrong first overwatch doesnt currently have a hidden mmr system, whatever rank it shows is what rank it believes you are, when your in placements your rank is more violitle, the ONLY exception being placements, i believe how placements work is they put you in the elo you would be if you won your next game (basically 1 division up) i know this from a lot of testing its not just speculation. Meaning the shit about "the more play time the more sure they are of your rank" is just not relative to this. (Also that is a perfectly fine and normal way to do systems a 1k game player should not be able to win streak and out climb a fresh account that would cause a lot of issues) If you believe there is hidden mmr or dont understand how it works i can explain in more detail just ask. Yes there is a debate saying win streaks and loss streaks should be worth more because it is a heavy team game, but not really too important. Climbing in overwatch has not even 1% to do with "performing in a way that makes the mmr system believe oyu deserve higher", for one because the mmr just works off of a few factors and only these factors not debatable. Win = 20% loss = -20%, if your team is higher rank you gain less you lose more, if your on a win or lose streak (more than 3 games i think when it starts even if it doesnt display yes i did testing) you will slowly gain more or less. If your account is on placements your gains are much more volitile, you cant lose sr in placements and you can gain a lot especially if you win streak. If your account is just off placements and has calibration your rank is more volitile for the upcoming games until it wears off and you return to the default of +-20%, only exception being a pressure factor depending on how close you are from the top or bottom of the ladder gains slightly push you to the center (low rank gain more high rank gain less but i believe they vastly changed this system in season 12). You can argue this is a form of hidden mmr, but not really remotely how other systems work. in a game like league of legends even on a 1000 game account its possible to start gaining more per win or losing more per win for the next 100 games and you will be put in lobbies higher rank than you are (a gold can be put in diamond if on a fresh account) To climb in overwatch you simply win more than you lose (technically only exception is gm or bronze as the tops and bottoms of the ladder gains are different as a gm4-3 i was gainning average 17-19% per game i could 55% wr and derank in champ) yes because the nature of the game it can be really hard to climb out of some ranks but this has absolutely 0% to do with the account and 100% to do with just unlucky matches, mental variables, and so on. I have over 10 accounts, 3 of which have been or are gm+ and others hover from bronze-diamond, ive been in every rank in the game for at least 50 hours+ each on a different account

[@Firestorm-m4m]

I knew that the matchmaking in ow 2 is awful right now. Matchmaking was never perfect, but I don't think it has ever been this bad

[@SpinachX]

It has never been this bad, The youtuber is speaking facts right now I realized the same thing he realized

[@Eridu]

remember when you would get gold players in gm lobbies every other game? remember when it would take 30 minutes for even plat players to find a game? Yes, it has been far worse.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

You can climb on these hardstuck accounts, its harder but you can especially if your truly a master or gm tier player. But blizzard is 100% doing this stuff, and it needs to stop. My new accounts shouldnt just instantly place gm while my older accounts feel cursed to play on. Its really annoying. Even though all of this i still got those older accounts into top 500, and this has been happening since season 1 of ow2. And 5v5 makes the issue so much worse on top of it. Recently came back to play a couple games because i quit season 8, and i got some of the worse teams ive ever had ever on this game. We lost a push game in literally 4 minutes, my team would go in and die instantly everytime. So while its no excuse and you arent hardstuck because of the system, its still a very annoying very real thing blizzard does that needs to end.

[@inklingboi8478]

​nah it was bullshit then, now its just fking bad but not at all like i remember having a 30% win rate then and now i have a 60%@@Eridu

[@Karudio972]

Every time I stop playing for a while I always have a huge win streak at first to get me hooked and then the nightmare starts anew.

[@takeonedaily]

This. Right here.

[@allzofeel]

This probably explains why they hid player ranks so they can slot in players of different ranks to "balance" out a win/loss.

[@Omnicron800]

Mfs will still just say you’re bad instead of just admitting the ranked system in this game is horribly flawed and easily gained if you know what you’re doing

[@Brainjoy01]

@@Omnicron800 how to gain it then besides buying new account? if you buy brand new account, you need a second phone number or that person has access to your account if you don’t change it and then youll want your skins back TextNow isn’t free anymore so you have to use a real cellphone

[@jamsquan9415]

it’s flawed but some of these conspiracy theories are wild lol

[@Omnicron800]

@ I agree with you there but something about it at least on console has just never ever ever functioned anywhere near as decently as hell something like siege in my experience at least I feel like it was not as bad years ago but with the constant flooding of alt accounts old players leaving and coming back new accounts being made by new players who just have never touched an fps before and so on I feel like the ranked pool is horribly skewed in a lot of ways we just can’t fathom used to be high ranked players STAYED in their ranks or actually presented why they got it but lately it feels like the only high ranked players are either people who no life ranked and don’t have jobs or sometimes the most random players who just don’t deserve their rank and vice versa it isn’t every player maybe like ten percent at most but that’s a fuckin a lot to gamble with in a team game just my thoughts though. TLDR; overwatch has cultivated an inconsistent as fuck player base through all the bullshit both outside and inside the game and none of just the nature of online multiplayer gaming really helps it outside of creating an extremely dedicated community.

[@jamsquan9415]

@@Omnicron800 the ranks are definitely off but it's hard to tell exactly what's wrong on anecdotal evidence. i play less since overwatch 1 so going down a rank makes sense. we do know as a game overwatch 2 is not well crafted so there's no chance the system is balanced at all lol

[@Omnicron800]

@@jamsquan9415 I would personally argue the biggest hurdle is the fact that measuring skill in this game can feel arbitrary as hell at times I know of some players who solely play with other people because that’s the only way to win=have fun. Then they try to play with randoms and either tilt like crazy and soft throw or just actually hard throw that and with counter swapping just being more rewarded and overall easier across the board than just dedicating time to and learning a hero that and with max ranging being a thing the ranked system was kinda dead on arrival in my opinion but the player base has abused it to no end and the devs have made the game only harder to actually show or distinguish between who’s actually skilled who’s just smurfing, counter swapping, pocket queuing, their way to almost every win the game just may as well be a block of Swiss cheese theirs so many fucking holes in it.

[@VayreenaVulpera]

Old account just doesn't come with any of the "Learning the game" stats that the original comes with... the matchmaker prolly just sees "Good performance, need to be higher" while on the main account it sees: "Good performance but I have early, worse stats to factor in as well so gotta make sure that one doesn't go to high"

[@VayreenaVulpera]

*Alt account btw...

[@marcusnorberg8498]

Well it should not considering old stats, only your rank. Imagine having the same amount of wins / losses but placing dffierent in the Champions League because of it, or any other sport.

[@spectralspectra2282]

Overwatch ranked experience be like: LETS GO GAMBLING! AW DANG IT! AW DANG IT! AW DANG IT

[@RemedieX]

I thought more players knew this already, and especially older ACC higher ranked players because the system stops being so "sneaky" and far more apparent because there's less players to choose from. I've historically been GM3-1 depending on the role on my main, but over time as Blizz shifted much more into engagement based matchmaking, I noticed that at some point you are literally marked by the system as "the carry" and you WILL almost always (unless you go on a loss streak and dip below well below 50% WR) be forced into CONSTANT matches where it's very clear that your teammates are much below your skill and noticeably lower relative to the enemy team. This is aside from the fact that the matchmaker tries to force a 50% WR - something that was confirmed/admitted not too long ago when devs said in a post or patch (I don't remember which specifically, just that it was admitted and it raised a ton of eyebrows and people who said there was EOMM got their "told you so" moment) they were trying to push games closer to the 50% mark with changes to the mm, but it was said in a way that shows it's been in the game before that moment - probably for a long time. Anyway, it forces you to carry (turns out, even if you are an insane player, it's hard to carry to the extent you make up for an entire person in higher ranks - especially when it's the tank that is prob playing 2 games at once), essentially forces losses, tries to keep you as close to the 50% as possible, tries to extend the amount of time you play (because if you ranked up to your desired rank, for a lot of players, they're done for the season or don't want to touch it lol), and it's not so subtle about it in higher ranks beacuse the disparity is just laughably too noticeable. Horrible system that is the antithesis of a "competitive" gamemode in a game that has historically marketed itself as a "competitive" game. It's a joke. I simply stopped playing, made an alt, and huh... hit GM1 without too much effort and the match quality was leagues noticeably better the entire time because I wasn't marked "the 24/7 carry" who is supposed to make up for these players that are supposedly "the same rank" as I or as the enemy equivalent. Blatant rigged system, but yk, nobody talks about it. We constantly watch top players (with streamer mode on, ofc) go on losing streaks (unless they're grouped up) on their mains until they switch to alts, and not enough players connect the dots that they literally have all odds against them lol.

[@ygs497]

That explains my tank rank very well…nothing like being 46 and 6 every single game and still losing the game…to than get flamed by a dps that’s 7 and 7 that you’ve watched dive into the entire enemy team all game. Idk how to carry people that hard….but dps and support is an easy masters to GM for me.

[@geert574]

everytime u win 3,4 games u are guaranteed to get junkrat and genji as teammates

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

Or Hanzo yup

[@A_Jetsfan]

Speaking on behalf of the genji players on your team… this game is trash and I regret everything!

[@_blank_3737]

they're either awesome or without a doubt complete utter trash

[@itzpurple_queen9711]

Or a feeding tank

[@riptaiyo]

😂

[@ceilingfan12345]

This is a problem in a lot of competitive games. If there is a ranked system in a game there is no excuse for the matchmaking to use anything other than rank as a qualification. It's an elo system. If you matchmake using anything other than the elo, it is no longer accurate or meaningful.

[@wicked5999]

Rank != skill level. MMR decides how much rank you gain or lose based on the relative difference in MMR between the other players. The system wants to build confidence in your skill level, which takes many games. The more games, the more confident, or accurate, its assessment is. You're essentially asking for more unfair matches

[@nervous-exe]

Apex has this problem. It would matchmake on rank but also include retention factors. I remember a few streamers actually wanted to run their own kind of tournament/pvp system, specifically without the retention mechanics. Because to pros it was super annoying trying to navigate a system that's not 100% skill based. They have a good idea of what should be happening, and it frustrated them. Many ppl find these types of games thrilling and addicting. It's def not by accident lol that the creators stumbled upon an extremely addictive game loop and cycle. I'd love these companies to come clean with their research. It would be fascinating.

[@ceilingfan12345]

@@wicked5999 Rank should equal skill level. That's the whole purpose of a rank. If rank doesn't equal skill level, the system is broken. And rank would be an accurate representation of skill level if the matchmaking was based purely on rank. You may get some one-sided matches initially, but it will quickly get you where you're supposed to be. That's why there are placement rounds and quicker rank changes immediately after them.

[@wicked5999]

@@ceilingfan12345 No, because skill level is IMPOSSIBLE to measure accurately. It's an abstract.

[@ceilingfan12345]

@wicked599 lol at this take. Skill level is a measure of your ability to succeed. You measure it with success - wins. The more games, the more accurate the measure. Accurately measuring skill level is the entire purpose of an elo system, which is what your rank is unless you fuck it up by matchmaking using some unrelated, hidden score. What exactly do you think mmr is other than an attempt to measure skill?

[@NakaliTama]

Was consistently high plat from seasons 1-13, then took a break and came back. Got placed silver and any time I get 2 wins I get 4 games of teammates feeding like they’re trying to end world hunger

[@TheBrandonCraig]

Blizzard exposed. I got hard stuck on my main at d5 this season. Swapped to an old account I haven’t used since OW1 and peaked M4 and didn’t lose a single game. Teammates were godly and I didn’t have to do anything. 100% rigged.

[@jaymz8222]

My old main got perma’d, but I remember being hard stuck for an entire season. But i kept going, I played end of season games. It was either the lsst 2-3 days or the last final day. I played my hardest. I was doing well. Got a few losses in a row, despite losing my acc somehow ranked up to where i should have been. It’s like thr game felt sorry for me. This was the okd rank system a few seaons ago. Havent taken the game seriously since then.

[@jaydenlynch4668]

BRO IM SO GLAD YOU SPOKE ON THIS i’ve been a t500 console player the past few seasons but this season my main has literally been hardstuck masters 3 and my alt account i kid you not is champ 4 i have a 80% win rate and im close to finishing my 50 games i will literally be top 10 but hardstuck masters i dont get it

[@blissseeker4719]

Well, one thing in common with you and this guy is you both are struggling to rank up on your main/old accounts.

[@zaiasm2305]

I think they just fucked the way you rank up so you can keep playing. These billion dollar companies aren’t stupid and pay millions of dollars in R&D to get people to keep playing their game.

[@Luke42652]

I’m convinced these high ranked games get metal ranks players mixed in and the match maker is lying about the rank range. The quality of games is so wild. The lack of calls and brain dead play I see in some of the high ranked games is unreal.

[@lukasg4807]

No one plays well all the time. Someone having an off day (or being drunk or high) doesn't mean you're not high ranked

[@renjia3504]

​@@lukasg4807It's not just not being sharp it's just the game knowledge like reins even with the ability to stop pins ow2 charging off maps like this is bronze 5 meanwhile I'm over here popping off trying to push diamond yes sure you'll get leavers smurfs off days, but the amount of unbalanced games were ppl are clearly leagues above each other even though it's supposed to be similar ranked players is ridiculous

[@Luke42652]

@@lukasg4807 We're talking about 50% or more of matches having players not com'ing and making big mistakes. If there are that many, either people are boosted or there is something else going on. So many profiles private, you would never know.

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

I'm sure this is true to some degree... Blizzard wouldn't have separated SR from MMR unless they wanted to mislead you about the skill of the lobby in some way, shape, or form.

[@commandoch12i5]

High rank players are the sacrificial lambs. High rank plays just for the sake of playing/ to improve. But we serve as cannon fodder or a control variable for low rank/ paying customers to control the outcome of their games more.

[@rangerguy]

Can't stop thinking about this video. Struggled my way up 4 divisions, and suddenly I'm on multiple one sided losing teams where my performance doesn't matter

[@crast4758]

I just found your videos and I have to say it's so refreshing hearing someone share the same sentiments as me. There's such a huge skill disparity in all my matches, I constantly get players that walk in 1v5, everyone's shooting a different enemy, or chase a player before capturing the point, meanwhile the other teams are hyper coordinated. It's such an infuriating experience that's constantly dismissed by people as skill issues.

[@wicked5999]

My team always bad, enemy team always good? It's delusional, of course it's a skill issue. Ego issue too

[@IsaedNaurfawn]

@@wicked5999cut ur wr!sts. Did u even watch the video?

[@crast4758]

@@wicked5999 Thank you for making my point for me. I hope you can appreciate the irony of saying something is an ego issue with no context or evidence.

[@wicked5999]

@@crast4758 I don't need evidence to claim you are not the main character, you are just 1 out of 5 people on a team. You're not different from the other players. You are not special. The matchmaker, or the universe for that matter, is not out to get you. If you don't improve, you don't climb. It's that simple. And you'll never improve if all you do is blame everything that's out of your control and never assess your own weaknesses and work to become a better player. It's just a weak mental. YOU CAN DO IT, WORK ON YOURSELF

[@crast4758]

@@wicked5999 100% bot account. lmao.

[@ghostpants2324]

i miss OW1 sr... it actually made sense and showed you where you were in the ranking system and how much you won/lost. I miss OW1 everyday, it was so peak

[@runnanlou5627]

Yes, that’s true. I have several accounts, and I’ve noticed that when you have a brand new account ready for ranking, assuming they control your win rate between 50% and 75% during quick play, you will start placements in high Gold to low Diamond. If your skill score is quite high, I believe they will identify you as smurfing and match you with normal players, allowing you to climb and converge to the rank you were originally supposed to be at. However, for older accounts, especially your original account with all your learning phases, they tend to match you with unusual players when you start a win streak. My friend and I were stuck at Platinum 1 before the first big ranking reset-I think that was Season 3? We played really hard the next season after the reset, but every time we started a win streak and got matched with Master players, we encountered throwers who would jump off the spawn point repeatedly until the match ended or leavers who would AFK during the first two minutes and then quit. Reporting these players was useless, and we kept getting pushed back to Platinum or even lower. After a few tries, we gave up and started new accounts. We began in Diamond and thought we’d finally reach Masters. Then, my friend was permanently banned without any reason during gameplay. The email said he was cheating, and I was really shocked. They don’t ban the real cheaters, even after reports, and there are still many cheaters who remain active. I’m certain my friend wasn’t cheating. I’ve shared this story many times, but a lot of people just respond with, ‘That’s not true.’ LMAO.

[@ograin8045]

I had a 90%+ on tank during quick play and immediately was predicted to be diamond 5 after losing my first tank placement. On my main account, I went 9-1 and placed plat 2, then went 16-1 and didn't even rank up to diamond. Now one account is high diamond as a one trick account where the quality of play is very high and teams work around my own one trick limitations wonderfully, whereas the other account cannot break out of plat 2, often getting tanks in wide matches that are mid-high diamond and former masters players.

[@wicked5999]

They say that because you're speculating how it works and getting it wrong, when you can just look it up. Brother you're just guessing

[@de3invoker965]

my theory on this matter is, that they match you on hidden mmr and many old ow1 accounts or accounts that played quickplay a lot, have a certain hidden mmr and when you play ranked, you get matched against similar people or your teammates will be trash to make up for the mmr, even tho everyone is in the same rank... i have 2 old accounts, both with 6-15min q time in quickplay on more or less all roles (as reference how crazy boosted the mmr for that is) and the amount of blood sweat and tears i have to put in to win games on these accounts in ranked is criminal, teammates very dogwater and the players in the enemy team... all the god like players you can find in diamond/masters... they are there, silver-diamond border players that actually know how to play the game.... also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time also im convinced, blizzard analyses every bit of your playstyle while playing and the matchmaker does its best to give you "eomm", just to mess with your psyche (i mean they also do it in cod.. so why not in overwatch as well? sounds like a blizzard thing to do) i would also not be surprised if it tracks your behavior, how many games you left, how often you get reported and matches you on that as well. all that to avoid putting 10 random players of the same shown rank in one lobby and let the better ones climb

[@ringleemercs]

I've also noticed that for me personally i get low master to even top 500 against me in QP but in ranked i average diamond cause i just didn't find it as enjoyable but with how QP has been for me recently I've had to start playing ranked just to have some even games. (have 500 hours from OW1 and maybe 150 hours from OW2)

[@baldfelix1841]

this part "also has anyone noticed, when you play on newer ow2 accounts you will also play against newer accounts and have them on your team (no title, not much stuff to see on the account.. etc) but when you play on aged/seasoned accounts you will find many players again and again that you maybe have known for a long time" is just speculation and bias, its wrong basically fresh account i made insane qp mmr because im a good player first game in ranked entire lobby is full of players i know from my main account pro players ow1 players everything i started gm5 this was like 2 weeks ago. qp mmr only affects your first ranked placement and nothing else, this is how it works in literally every game. yes that means if you dont play qp and only play ranked your qp will be a lot lower or other way around.

[@Yxvxn]

I'm a player that has played tons of Qp and my theory is this. The game has it's own baseline Mmr system that then triggers conditional calculation depending on some extra factors. What i mean by that is that the game knows that your overall performance has been lets say, 4000 mmr, all accross the board. If you play qp it will then match you with very wide spectrum of players. Bcs the average is lot lower than 4000 mmr, it internally assigns you as the carry of your team and can place you with golds. On the other team it's similar case, but bcs it's very lenient it might end up matching 4 masters and 1 gm vs 1 gm, 2 gold, 1 plat and 1 master. I've had games against top500 players few times with very low rank teammates as for ranked it works similar, but it's stricter and more narrow. However, sometimes your baseline mmr can complicate things because it lets one mode influence the other. In those cases you end getting very weird matches. Generally the less you play and less modes you play, the more scarce the data it works with and the more extreme the system's view of you is There also seems to be priorities when the system makes mathmaking and placement decision. It goes kinda like this: 1.Don't disappoint players with low playtime, make it feel good for them 2.don't let very strong players stay in low ranks 3.find good matches for new low players 4.find good matches for new mid-high players 5.if you can't find matches, take one high elo player and place them with lower elo teammates vs. Full Mid elo enemy team 6. Find good matches for old active accounts It'd take way too long to explain how i got to this conclusion, but just think about new account always seem to have it smoother, how unranked to GM end up in masters right after placenent 90% of the cases. How it's way more likely to get outmatched by whole team rather than have only 1 sticking out (when that 1 appears it's always smurf that's still in placement), how there's very bad players with high rank who have like 90h in the game, how it's much more likely to get stuck back to a rank you've been at some point etc. And you think about it, all these priorities start to make sense, from Bizzard's POV: the top is the players that need to be babysitted the most and spoiled so they stick around, and the bottom is players expected to stay and put up with shit bcs that's what they've been doing for years

[@baldfelix1841]

@@Yxvxn how qp mmr alone does 100% work each role has a specified rank and it is 100% identical to competitive if you are actually curious do some research you will find out more. The reason why you feel like it might place you as the carry is because they added a system (a very good system at that but mostly good for competitive not qp) in which enemies will always have one player around your skill level, if I’m gm mmr tank I will always face another gm mmr tank but since qp is so lenient in match making and also qp mmr is much more subjective for skill level you can get unfair games. Recently I was queuing on a gm mmr tank with a bunch of like silver players and one new player if I was on tank we got stomped every game because it raises the average rank by a ton if I was on dps it’s a lot easier and we always won. If I were to soloq on one of those accounts usually is the same experience but more balanced since I have higher ranked teams, I’d always be the carry because my mmr is the highest and usually the enemy would he high mmr too to match me. It’s often how high ranked qp mmr works. Qp match making is shit for winning in every game it is and that’s ok the goal of it is not to give favorable matches the goal is to make people have fun and balance of games is just one of many variables they look at. Though the mmr is identical to competitive the match maker is not

[@chillNinjaLowSkill]

coaches and high rank players: "just focus on getting better and you will be in the rank your skill belongs to" ... MEAN WHILE OW2 RANK SYSTEM:

[@rolytnz]

Yeah the "just git good" line is really "gitting old"

[@skyrin_x]

Most of the coaches and high rank players have 2-3 accounts to play around this exact issue they just dont mention it. Playing on one accounts destines you to end up at a 50% WR at an arbitrary mmr

[@nowahnothere]

@@rolytnz THATS WHAT IM SAYING "get good" I swear they need to stfu

[@wicked5999]

@@skyrin_x Playing many games establishes a more and more accurate assessment of your skill level.. Eventually you end up at a 50% winrate, because you are not good enough to beat those opponents consistently, but not bad enough to lose either. It's not arbitrary in the slightest. This is some flat earth conspiracy stuff holy. People would rather make stuff up than admit they make mistakes and focus on their own improvement

[@skyrin_x]

@@wicked5999 except the same player, on two different accounts, ends up 5 divisions apart? Is the ranking system that bad that your shown MMR is actually so far off? Or is it the fact that the ranking system is garbage now and the graph they shared on twitter showed that every Pre-S9 master-gm5~ player is now in diamond, making the upper ranks too spread. They had an entire season to normalize the ranks and fix it

[@actually-Fr3sa]

I placed D5 on an alt acc... my main is de-ranking and I'm almost silver again

[@blibity2295]

It's player retention. They don't want new players to get crushed and quit the game before they get hooked. New accounts are also more likely to buy skins. Matchmaking is designed to give new players strong teams.

[@zAlphii]

im starting to believe the "blizzard is forcing a 50/50 winrate!" crowd because i am a diamond dps player and on my gold alt account im trying to get decent at tracer and i was literally 11-3 and then immediately went on a huge loss streak to where i am now 13-12 with 2 of the losses being from a tank player that just 1v4ed the enemy team constantly, 1 loss from a tank player just refusing to ever play aggressive at all, and 2 losses from the tank player just straight up leaving the game after losing one fight. the system is fucking RIGGED it doesnt even feel like i deserve a win or loss anymore it just feels like it was either my turn to win or my turn to lose

[@nervous-exe]

I will say, getting good at tracer was one of the very very few heros that it was possible to carry myself with, REGARDLESS of my team or my team's capacity. I had the speed and power accessible to be able to 1v9. I could just do it all. Payload, touch point, Kill 5, do it again. Got to plat easily. This was also when her range was busted, she was the first hero I played and I used to think tanks were strange & a joke because it was just so easy to kill them over and over and over. Kill hundreds of tanks. This was around S3 of ow2. After that I played kiriko/genji mainly I never was able to reach that amount of success again, with almost double the time spent.

[@pspppe]

Blizzard's match making reserves good teammates for new/returning players, and whale spenders. If you are grinding the game without paying to win, you are going to get shafted by 4/5 bad teammates constantly.

[@Cemow777]

So if you buy skins will it give you better teammates?

[@jerbearow]

Yes you are a walking billboard fot new players, an advertisment for people to want to buy the skin too, call of duty does this very well and manipulates your matchmaking when your purchase new CoD bundles ​@Cemow777

[@SamoyedSagas]

@@Cemow777 Nope

[@luchocartman]

Nope, it's not pay to win is have purchased stuff and my account is still in this weird 2 wins one hard as he'll possible lost

[@visserin]

​@luchocartman almost like call of duty's eomm. surely activision would reserve their billion $ win loss stabilizer ai for their casual shooter game and not the competitive one as well

[@alextomov2237]

This is so true . Blizzard punishes old , loyal players , instead of motivating them and actually improving the matchmaking system for them . Overwatch is just getting worse and worse

[@commentbot9510]

There is always that 4-14 dps. Its such a common trend that something has to be going on with the matchmaking. Its almost always one dps on one team severely underperforming. The other roles usually perform fine statistically.

[@maxchess6734]

Usually, the support role decides the fate of the game, but a bad dps will always be a problem

[@clinteastwood14896]

That's often because people duo with their friends who are way worse or better than them. When a Master 2 player queues with his friend who's Diamond 2, that Diamond player will go 4-14.

[@commentbot9510]

@@clinteastwood14896 a master 2 cannot queue with a diamond 2 unless it is a wide group. In which case, everyone in the match would be in a wide group. This happens regardless of whether you’re in a wide group or not

[@wicked5999]

That's not a matchmaker issue, it's a human issue. We're not good at consistently performing at a stable level every game. People have bad games, that's just how humans function.

[@commentbot9510]

@@wicked5999 even on my off days I don’t have stats like that

[@xIronwafflexx]

Historically it's always been easier to get a fresh account to a higher rank than what you have on an OG account. Part of this, is that newer accounts are often grouped up with some more experienced accounts, and it somewhat boosts the newer account. The problem is, when the new players is actually new, and a bit boosted, they are the "bad teammates" you end up with on an experienced account, and like in your case, where you are already a good player, you're most likely being put with other experienced players, but you're not holding them back, because you're not actually new and somewhat boosted. This along with randomness and low priority queues (which I'm almost 100% sure they due based on account reports for "toxic behavior" ie telling your 5-17 tracer to switch) you end up with trash teammates more often than not. So yeah, it does seem to be a bit rigged. Also the placements seem all over the place in general. I did tank placements after the reset, played out of my freaking head, diffing the enemy tank, out dpsing the dps, and placed gold 3.... Did my support placements, only played Zen, and just basically existed, lost every single game, and placed plat 4. Make it make sense.

[@sadboijimmy4712]

when they added the expected and consultation that was them admitting the game has always been rigged. They know fi they're gonna give you that one guy who refuses to swap or the guy whose boosted. they know if you are gonna lose a match based on who they give u or if they decide to pair you against ppl way out of ur skill range even by 5 divisions

[@matthewking7571]

No it's not. Spilo made a video clearly explaining this, what you said is a massive misconception

[@jamal3298]

Gamers aren't making a big enough stink about this. Nobody should play a game with an algorithm that decides if you're going to win or lose. EOMM needs to be taken out of multiplayer games immediately. Imagine if you went to play basketball with your friends, and Ryan from down the street gets replaced with LeBron James.

[@RAntonio93]

Worst state this game has ever been in. And I say that as someone who has been playing this game for 7 years. New characters don’t even get skins anymore. The matchmaker is literally so bad right now that the SR range is 500-1000 SR range regularly in these games. The competitive integrity of this game is gone. If it’s a tank diff, GG. I don’t care how well you perform, you just lose because you cannot hold or capture the objective. Supports are still disgustingly broken, and that’s coming from a support main. There are only 2-3 viable DPS in the entire roster. DVA/Ram and these armor buffs have absolutely destroyed balance in this game.

[@SuperStarkiller999]

Tbh for me as a tank player its even worse with dps diff in the game since I cant deal with dps on range really when they use the space their tank create while my dps stack together on one side and nothing dies......

[@matthewking7571]

Man, every comment section I see has one person saying "this is the worst state ever". This game has been in its worst state for almost 7 years at this point. Overwatch doesn't have a balance issue, is everything perfectly balanced no, but nothing is so broken like goats. The game mostly has a fun problem. To many characters are fun, by denying fun. Which isn't a balance issue. This community is so full of doomers

[@kylerholcomb229]

No no a FEW characters are fun by denying fun for the majority. Sombra and widow quite literally can hold entire games hostage. Got people shooting at ghosts. Those two in particular are absolutely fun killers. They are an actual disease in this game. Widow shouldn’t even exist. What a fundamentally ridiculous character to have. To take a single step out of spawn and respawn. Delete that bitch

[@baldfelix1841]

@@matthewking7571 a lot of people have doomer mindset and just dont know what they are talking about or completely blinded by rage. Ive been playing for years and right now is way more fun than season 7 of ow2. right, id still kinda prefer season 11 or 10 but its pretty chill. not the best no where near the worst.

[@matthewking7571]

@baldfelix1841 thank you. People in this community play this game because nostalgia, almost not because they like the game now. Honestly, outside of bad teammates, and a handful of characters, I'm really enjoying the game. I don't think people realize how high quality this game really is, compared to even other shooters. It also isn't nearly as plagued with cheaters. It's even pretty balanced. Plus it's not all about crowd control and shields now

[@TheHarbsy]

This was a real damn EYE OPENER with the v practical experiment, banger vid

[@Mbabbb399]

I have been saying this for years it's called engagement-based match making. I have 5 accounts for this very reason.

[@goth_papi5167]

I'm just gonna make more accounts then, the stress is not worth it and they don't deserve microtransaction money doing loyal fans this way. Wish it could just go back to the old days where there was less predetermined Ws and lobby's felt fun.

[@zaiasm2305]

There’s documents that support this for call of duty too. I went through a whole rabbit hole going through this

[@handsomesquidward5160]

​@@zaiasm2305 Where'd you find it

[@nexor7809]

i come from apex. I quit apex around 3 years ago, but i no lifed it hard back then, and i know very well what EOMM is like in overwatch it never felt this bad and exhausting as in apex. I haven't played much recently in overwatch, so im not exactly sure if things have changed, but i dont remember it being like eomm. In apex you would constantly be put with newer/bad players in your team, and it was confirmed by devs too that they match worse players with better players so they can serve as the "carry" and to give the newer ones an "experience" of how its like in better lobbies. I can assume that this was done also to promote skins to newer players as older players will usually have decent skins. if the same kind of thing happens in overwatch then it will be the end of this game, as eomm is the exact reason why i had left apex

[@wotanmiller2985]

This is exactly how I feel and exactly why I’ve quit comp as of yesterday evening. I noticed way too quickly that I can play 10 games back to back, play them the same way in terms of my own positioning, accuracy, damage numbers, etc., and yet I will still end the day 5-5 but this actually deranks me ever so slightly because I always lose 1-4% more than I get when I win, regardless of how well I think I played

[@duelscream]

I have the same problem, main account was 4.4k peak ow1 and GM1 peak on ow2 now it’s extremely difficult me to stay in M1-M2. On my alt account I made recently my record was 113-20 and ended GM4 also, had the best teammates ever but the thing was I didn’t care as much because it was my alt account. That may be the reason you performed so well was due to you not caring and overall playing better + calibration + winning trend played a huge role to your success

[@將軍英雄MILITARYHERO]

⚠️Mark my words⚠️ ⚠️Because of there’s no pay to win…⚠️ ⚠️That’s why there’s fame to win…⚠️

[@justinvzu01]

Competitive games are all rigged. All comp games require you to carry to get out of elo hell, which makes it way harder to get into a higher rank than to maintain that rank. Besides, comp undermines the whole point of videogames as entertainment. Average gamers are stepping away from PvP games because they are designed to not allow you to just have fun.

[@will.drives]

This is the exact reason I bought another account. Before I decided to drop the game, I had an account hardstuck low diamond. I bought a new account, placed diamond and suddenly every game I had people were competent and played their rank. 633 games played in ONE season, 50% winrate. 300 lost, 300 won. Absolutely insane, but all of that changed the moment I started playing on a fresh account, and I broke into Masters. None of those 0-1 or 1-1 draws or high skill gap random match-ups, every game was close and people actually played the game.

[@kin4817]

I don't understand, I dropped from plat 5 to silver 1

[@Respawndierepeat]

I who is normally a Masters play is hardstuck in GOLD! I'm playing GREAT in my matches but it's never enough. I hate saying its my teammates fault because it just reinforces the OW stereotype of "It's everyone else's fault but my own" but when I get a fresh Doomfist OTP who is 6-14 saying XD every time he dies or a Bap that has 10+ deaths I want to just die inside. This game really hates it's veteran players.

[@marcusnorberg8498]

Been saying its rigged for years. You can clearly see patterns and even with old accounts you can predict if you are going to win or lose the next game with probably 80% success rate even you average 50/50 spread over every 30 games. It does not feel like competitive is being matched like it should be matched. I can not imagine any reason for this... To sell stuff? Who buys anything when you feel its rigged?

[@360LegendGaming]

Had this problem as well, best way to sort this out which I have found is to either play until you get a good streak of wins which happens every certain amount of games or to duo with a large stack and you wanna keep a 50/50 winrate in the stack and after you finish stacking the games get way easier when you get back to solo q. Its weird what they do with matchmaking its like they want you to be addicted to playing the game and the "famous" overwatch players just say you are hardstuck and are bad, im pretty sure they get paid to say that shit, they know the matchmaking is rigged.

[@LyrisTheCat]

riot augustus had said already that overwatch does apply elo inflation, the longer a season goes the easier it is for everyone to win elo. league doesnt does it and thats why diamond FEELS LIKE YOU FUCKING DESERVED IT. unlike overwatch that diamond is like basically higher gold lol.

[@smalldevils2929]

Is it possible that overwatch has account ages based matchmaking? Matching older players together and new players together. So the reason new accounts are easier is because theres just new players and smurfs, and since you are a good player you are better than most smurfs?

[@rohunter88]

I dropped from Masters 5 to Plat 5 in 2 seasons after the rank resets, and never bothered to even try to climb back up because of how toxic the players have become and how terrible the matchmaking system is. I quit playing a few months ago and never looked back, despite it being my main game since OW1.

[@viceofwrath76]

I feel like this is a problem in league too I’m twitch otp and last season I had 65% win rate across 250+ games, and all of a sudden my top laners/junglers randomly decided to go 0/10 at 8 minutes. Every. Single. Game. For days on end. Edit: after like a week of playing my winrate dropped by around 4% (61.3% wr). Every game was top/jg diff, would completely stomp botlane and astrogap enemy adc/supp, come out of lane 5/0 (10+/0 if they where particularly bad) but I would be the only person on the team with a gold lead and have to deal with hyperfed enemy top/jg (sometimes mid but my mids where typically stalemate/slightly in favor of enemy). Was the only person paying attention to macro plays and trying to make calls but by the time I got a chance to extend my lead my teammates had given up/would refuse to come to objectives/pretend to play until game ended and we lost

[@ElCruzader16]

I have a theory so ever time I'm on a winning streak I have the best teammates of all time then all of a sudden the next game I get the worst teammates and go on a losing streak with me carrying the team most of the time in those losses. I feel like when you start to do really good they put in into lobbies with struggling players to make you help them win games and I only say this because this is a pattern I have been noticing playing this game for a long time when I play solo. That's why I rather stack in comp because at least I know I have good people on my team.

[@Simalf13]

Me: most healing done and damage as support without even playing as moira and 0 deaths (until self sacrifice during overtime). still ending up with a losing streak cuz teammates. Teammates: Genji 4 deaths before getting 1k damage. "im a tank" Torbs holding W and getting sniped everytime by widowmakers/hanzo's etc., Moira with less healing than me dying alot despite being a bit harder to kill than most supports. And of course the tank who doesnt switch off D.VA against the Zarya. Enemies: GOD WIDOW, GOD ASHE WITH 500 ICON AND TITLE. TANK WHO CAN COUNTERSWAP. SUPPORTERS WHO HELP EACH OTHER STAYING ALIVE. All because im a Overwatch 1 player. Thanks Blizzard for punishing me because i bought the game before it became free. You know, other games reward their OG players (like CSGO for example) before the game became free.

[@thundy308]

One thing I noticed was that after X amount of wins, I would get really bad teammates (like I'd go hog and the enemy would go mauga, my supports wouldn't go kiri or ana but lucio+mercy) and it'd be like that for several games in a row. I was low masters before they implemented the change in the matchmaking system in I believe May, the one where bad players get matched with great players after a while to stop them from going on a massive losing streak. Then I noticed I was right at 50% win rate, about 300 games of competitive later and I'm in exactly the same spot. It's absurd, playing so many games and not advancing at all is terrible, I main hog but play sig/zarya on the side and I notice I'll get ideal supports about once every 5 matches, even if I ask, they refuse to swap or typically just ignore me altogether. The worst cases are when there's mauga or hog with no kiri on the enemy team and they just refuse to go ana for some reason. It all started for me after that the matchmaking system change in May. I had a 57-58% win rate I believe before. I did a similar experiment to yours with sigma, a character I don't play as much and I easily ranked higher after going on a 25 something win streak lol. On a character I barely play.

[@sgdadfgdfgadbdfbd]

and this is all a byproduct of having win/loss-based ranks instead of SKILL based

[@Guarrow]

What's crazy is that they supposedly « reset the ranks » a while back lol but old accounts still have to grind and carry each and every game while being matched with trolls

[@ImSoIo]

i’ve been juggling, like it’s bad bro, i was high gold low plat, i genuinely put so much effort and have improved, but after winning for like 20 games i lose 30, i went from gold 1 to plat 3, now i’m gold 3 struggling to go further than plat 5 because i’m constantly trying to get higher, but its as if once i had my experience of winning constantly i’m now getting punished and it’s a back and fourth between amazing people on my team to just losing with teams w people who leave, troll, or the teams just don’t work well together and it’s extremely frustrating

[@StallionTG]

It's specifically so that people keep making new accounts to play on and switch accounts when they get tilted. It pumps up ow2 active player numbers and new account numbers tremendously. Keeps the at the top of the charts. Just saw an article the other day "ow2 has so many more players than apex and valorant, etc" yeah because they cook their books by rewarding players who make alt/smurf accounts. This is line one of their business plan, no doubt.

[@DarthSpock1]

Yup, and everyone else in the comments confirm with their experiences too. And it isn't just high ranks either. I'm a low rank player, no shame in it, but was simultaneously hard stuck bronze in one account, high gold in the other for several seasons. The system decides where it wants an account and puts it there.

[@oVisionaire]

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that once an account has reached a certain age and number of games... that the system does everything in its power to keep them there. My many year old account is gold in all classes and does not matter what I do... I am gold. I gave up on playing comp for a couple of seasons. Then, when Blizz did the blitz event , I did my placements and THEN I won 15 games in a row. FIFTEEN... and went from Gold 4 to Gold 2. I have wondered many times what would happen if I were to just start a new account...

[@okidj683]

"Have you considered that you are the only factor in all of your games?" Overwatch reddit trying to cope with the fact that their parents don't love them.

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

I wonder how Spilo would react to this video since he tends to be one of the people who doesn’t believe in being hard stuck.

[@timothykahil8007]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did it to retain new players.

[@wotanmiller2985]

I forgot to mention in my other account, this was actually something I was convinced of in overwatch 1 as well, but to a far less degree. I decided to finally create an alt account and do my placements just to see where I would end up. I went from being hard stuck in mid gold for several seasons to being low diamond for a bit and mostly floating around 2600 in plat , and this was at a time when my game sense was significantly worse than it is now, as I was 12 and just playing the game with friends, not truly knowing what “effort” was yet. Also I noticed that on my new account I was more likely to encounter masters players in quick play and I actually had a widow dual with one all game, and what I found was that me being a 2800 sr widow player, was keeping up fairly well with a 3700 player, to the point where I was convinced that the guy must not be trying, because how on earth was I keeping up with someone much higher rank than me, yet I was still hard stuck

[@wavygallagher]

at least people in the overwatch community are actually talking about it. leagues matchmaking is eomm trash and most players either have no idea what that is or are in denial. the one person who agrees with me is also the person i know whos played the most and hit the highest rank.

[@miguelortiz8350]

I theorized this a while back. That older accounts always get paired with newbies. Its painful. Going 37 - 10 because your healers want to hit 10k damage and 2k heals

[@xxNEWBSLAYERxx]

Overwatch is a joke now. I made a new account to play with some friends and it put me in gold. Even the quick play mmr is broken. Play against sweats while my team doesnt know their characters

[@barisamarbos]

the thing is in every other game when u make an alt for example valorant if u play enough games u will climb fast and be stuck at ur usual rank, but ow is complitely different, u make a new acc suddenly your plat, but on ur main ur diamond, than suddenly u make a new account again and then ur hardstuck gold ahahah this rank system is messed up i dont know

[@LexiChii]

what i'm annoyed with is how they took away the performance based mmr, but will still punish players who had a close loss with -20% rating.

[@BringBackLFG]

Playing on a new account to play with people who know what they are doing should not be a thing I hope they just revamp the entire system so players can have proper games

[@Quince03]

Balance means 1 good player 4 scrubs vs 5 normal players who think they good

[@fettbub92]

Comp has been made to cater to smurfs and t500 players who stream their unranked to GM. That twitch advertising is how they keep most of their players. Casuals and Overwatch fans watch a t500 do their 100th unranked to t500 on their 100th smurf account; they then get the urge to log on and play themselves. I'm tired of matchmaking and the Overwatch community.

[@takoja507]

This is the reason why I don't like to play Comp. Ok, I'm only Gold 3-1 level player but I have seen this trend for years already. On my rank most Comp matches I play in are like QP, no difference, they just last longer. People messing up and not caring to win etc. There is no point playing, if I play solo. If I get a group 2 or more, the games change to better ones. Other team mates are suddenly better too, those who are not in my group. I don't understand the Comp system at all. I got my DPS to Plat 5 somehow, I don't even know how, I personally think I'm worse DPS then I'm as support that I play 80% of matches. I just don't understand the Comp and match making. Some games we can just terror enemies and other games we are being terrorised and utterly destroyed. Those fun even games are rare and so few :(

[@jug-eun]

This is actually something that happens in a lot of competitive games that have a system to prevent smurfs. I believe the reason why that may be the case is because the system tries to put you in a lobby with players of similar stats, but because the win rate of your account is lower even if stats like your KDA is good it still has to put you with people of similar win rate. That would also explain why on newer accounts as you win more you get put in lobbies with people who win more as well, so you end up having consistently decent teammates, whereas on your top500btw because your winrate isnt as high you get consistently poor teammates. It would also explain why older accounts get hardstuck, as they keep their winrate from previous seasons, and as you get more and more trolls and the win rate lowers, you end up getting EVEN MORE trolls and the win rate gets even worse, resulting in consitantly bad teammates and the feeling of the system being rigged.

[@itzderrio]

@@jug-eun wrong

[@thefalsehero]

@@itzderrio Great rebuttal. You must be the captain of your middle school debate team, no?

[@itzderrio]

@@thefalsehero nah , get out of my notifications & go find something to do

[@thefalsehero]

@@itzderrio Or what?

[@itzderrio]

@@thefalsehero or you can just keep being weird while i ignore you 🤡

[@megachazilla234]

Having it made it nearly to grandmaster and having several alt accounts, i can confirm this is a trend. You have to take the matchmaking algorithm that uses statistics to determine matchmaking. This was clearer at the end of OW1 when youd consistently be in top 500 lobbies in diamond on peak hours. Yep still happened even though they (fixed it).

[@soupwithfriends]

everyone with more than one account already knows this but more people need to be talking about it

[@lukashofbauer5051]

youre 100% right I‘ve tested several things in ranked by now. and i have found put that the more i carry and push the lobby the worse teammates i got. I started hard throwing on sym just teleporting and turreting and after 2 games completely underperforming I went on a 15 games win streak 😅

[@va1ent1n3z]

it’s probably like that to keep older accounts playing the game whilst the newer accounts have an easier chance and are more inclined to play the game

[@user-if9pp4vg7g]

Im almost certain they do the same thing as CoD with engagement based match making to make people buy skins. Some games the other team just absorbs damage then you look at their heals and they have a fraction of yours while your damage numbers are high AF and theirs are a quarter of yours.

[@Nurhaal]

I dont think this applies to me at all, but even at my low ELOs, it's painful to see how lopsided games are. You either steamroll the opposing team or your team gets steam rolled in return. This probably more likely at my ELO since players unintentionally 'throw' a lot, but it really is a drag losing so many in a row without fail and my back be sore from trying so hard to heal AND dps bc neither Tank nor DPS seems to exist. And if you switch roles, it's almost like the MM shifts the difficulty onto you. As Tank, it's painful to watch how lopsided the healing can be, or how much damage the DPS is doing for extremely poor KDR. And I honestly don't blame my team mates a lot - we just get absolutely shredded and outplayed like they paired up two teams that are at least 5 ELOs apart and it's so strange. It makes me wonder if I should try a new account. Just to see even if at lower levels, we see it. *shrugs* For me, I know I'm no where near good enough yo really complain - but holy hell, this is not my first radio on eSport titles and competitive play. I've been gaming for 30 years and was an active player in the WCG circuits back in the day, and I've never seen MM be so suspect than it is on OW2.

[@drawingablank3904]

Play on a new account. I've been hardstuck gold on my main since ow1, I was very deserving of it back in the day, I was a brain dead soldier onetrick. My buddy wanted to boost it for me so I gave him the info over a year ago. I took a very long break after I gave him the account and I just came back last week. In that time I made a new account and got placed in high plat and am almost diamond rn. Meanwhile, my buddy who is in GM and stacks with smurf buddies are getting rolled and are stuck in the gold to plat to gold loop on that account. It's back at plat and he's told me to change the password so he doesn't get tempted to try and break the "curse" again on my main.

[@Nurhaal]

@drawingablank3904 man, hearing that is just insane. He's GM on his own account but is stuck in gold on your old main account you gave him?

[@inkromancer_studios]

Comp isn't a measure of *what* you know, it's a measure of *who* you know. Which is why you only see streamers and groups in masters + No amount of individual skill will get you into masters because it takes 5 players to win a match and 1 player to loose it.

[@wicked5999]

Then how did i get to masters solo?

[@uriahthegreat5004]

Remember the rank reset in season 9? I believe it forced everyone to place one rank lower than where they should be creating artificial difficulty. This is why I say diamond is the new masters, masters is the new gm, etc. like it’s not just us everyone is placed lower. Using a fresh account just proves this.

[@fiona9891]

if everyone is placed lower wouldn't it be the same???

[@paperclip11]

I placed low diamond healer in OW1. Same account, placed mid plat beginning of ow2. Decide to stop comp after a while due to the wierd groups. Still played QP. My ana game has only gotten better. Retried comp after the 2nd reset. Lost 9 games in a row. Placed mid silver. There was absolutely nothing I could do to carry the team mates. Not blaming them, they just wanna have fun to, but wth is with the grouping. And the level of toxicity was beyond unmanageable! Gonna make a new account and see what happens.

[@hearts_drown6465]

@GREED_EU They deleted your Thread on the forums. The one where you posted you video and we all where having a convo about this. Did you delete it or did “they”

[@notrandomperson1]

In asia its even worse, im basically waiting 15mins queue every game in masters rank for 4 timmys who got boosted there to loose the game in 5mins

[@DatOleEditGuy]

Because if you was Flats or Samito you would get prioritized, It's a bit like how cod has whitelists, If your a top level ''Comp'' streamer suddenly doors will open and you will rank like crazy.

[@Joutube_is_trash]

I wanna dismiss crazy shit like this, but then Activision will get caught with its pants down admitting that they know about every big name streamer thats using walls/aimbot but refuse to ban them until they're exposed to the public.

[@thegamingcook785]

I main support and when i get good games, i go mercy, i have teammates attacking shields, and pushing the team, i can get my heals off, and be protected, it's awsome Then i get the bad games, and then it pisses me off, everyone is running all over the place, i can't get to everyone and being spammed with heal requests, and being trashed on. Like I'm one healer trying to heal 4 people at once, and also damage boast at the correct times. When i play with a team playing the roles correctly and focused on actually trying to win with strategy, it's amazing. I can pop my heals off, and know what strats the team is trying to do, and i know who to target. But it annoys me when trashy players don't play correctly but blame everyone else but themselves

[@SleepDaemon]

Blizzard invented this new matchmaking system called EOMM (engagement optimize match making) where the main is to keep you the player engaged to play game longer and hope you spend more money on the game. This even means making you an MBS (morale boost slave) where you put into the game where the system knows you will be dominated by the enemy team but you there simply make them feel good about themselves cause they won and probably get a skin

[@wicked5999]

Never seen proof of this claim

[@SleepDaemon]

@wicked5999 eomm is a thing for sure you can find paper about on internet. As for the behavior of the system I've experienced it myself and MBS is a term I made when the system puts you into series of matches where it knows statistically you won't win or do well

[@AliceinEntropy]

I can't even play QP consistently with my friends let alone ranked. Today we got a guy with 20~ hours in overwatch. Minute 0 the doors opened he excited as doomfist and immediately jumped into the river. It was instant. Why am I babysitting a new player. I did that enough getting people into the game myself and they don't do anything like that. The game was unplayable that match and it was a horrible experience. He would just swap die swap die. I want to play with people in my skill range. It's not even high I'm not even really good it shouldn't be hard too find positive people with many hours on the game around gold or high silver. That's average as far as I know. Ranked is a similar rough time of inconsistency.

[@CoachMuffler]

brother this is word for word bar for bar what is happening to me right now. Same rank and everything almost. And If I avoid the seemingly narcoleptic teammates. They just disappear off the face of the earth and i'll never see them again

[@pukarachan]

literally

[@MellowHypez]

I literally never get great teammates. They are either decent or total trash. Meanwhile the enemy team has a junker queen going 48 and 5.

[@ninjamonkey5652]

Bro's smurfing in elo higher than his main lmaooo

[@JacoboGallegos]

I’m absolutely convinced they permanently punish you for “disruptive” coms. My first account from day one of overwatch with over 5000 hrs is unplayable because of the trash matchmaking. I constantly get teammates that just started yesterday. I’m convinced they flip a switch against you if you get reported and suspended. I tell people what I think and have been suspended several times. Once you come back, the matchmaking is permanently trash from then on. Blizzard permanently punishes their most loyal customers, and they could care less. Blizzard is trash.

[@mako_hd]

I have an account that skyrocketed to m2 (all the games were piss easy) and I have another account that has been hardstuck low masters for about 3 seasons now. I've regularly been mid to high gm and I peaked top 150. The game makes no sense. My accounts have been all over the place ever since the champ rank was introduced to the game. Masters lobbies always feel like a mix of plat players and ex grandmaster players. Most of the most frustrating games of Overwatch I've ever played have been in low masters (post season 8). There's no excuse for a masters player to have a 500 ms reaction time and make the most mind numbingly stupid plays you've ever seen. Some of these masters supports literally suzu dead bodies. It's clear that the game doesn't know how to assess player skill.

[@vape42069]

yea the masters players since s9 play like legit ow1 golds alot of the times, its so boring when my dps and supports are all negative lol

[@mbars977]

my theory they prioritize better ranked games to newer players in hopes of improving the experiences of newer players. Hence why I believe that all players have a hidden "great guy" marking, where good, chill and smart players get saved off into this category where they can carry newer players in ranked.