Matchmaking is rigged... (It's not just you)

[@jonh.668]

All of this is cope. I've coached players in every season and they go up multiple ranks when they play better. Your job is not to win unwinnable games. Your job is to play actually well, don't spam tilt queue, don't flame your teammates, etc. Flaming your teammates breaks your composure, and possibly weakens or destroys theirs. Your job is to win over 50% of your games. You have SO MUCH agency over the games that are possible for either team to win (80%+ of games) In addition, people overlook the fact that focusing up and playing really well makes it easier on your team to play really well and it's a snowball. Everyones' mental is dogshit. Also, ranks are somewhat deflated this season compared to the past so lots of people are playing 1 rank lower or so than before. Doesn't mean you magically got worse or "MY TEAMS ARE SO BAD THIS SEASON" Grow up, I've turned silver and gold players into diamond and masters players. Take accountability.

[@GREED_EU]

I hate to say it buddy, but I hit rank 1 all roles last season, and have been top 500 for over 8 years, hitting rank 1 multiple times and usually maintaining top 10. I coach the game for a living and nothing I said is wrong. There a tonnes of old top 500/4.4k players that are perm stuck in diamond/masters right now. Wanted being just one example. So uh, you're wrong.

[@jonh.668]

Oh, also...cognitive bias. Everyone gravitates heavily towards the things that stand out and ignore the ones that feel normal. This makes you feel like everything is abnormal always. "Sometimes my teammates in gm feel like plat players." This comes from the high chance everyone in your game has too different of ideas of what they need to be doing and when. If you take a random ranked team and put them into a discord call to explain their fundamentals, how they believe the game works, the chance everyone says very different things is fairly high.

[@jonh.668]

People under-respect the concept of variance. If you're winning 55% of your games, the swings in rank you can experience are still wild. Everyone has an innate bias towards noticing the negative things such that it feels all negative. There are players that are "old top 500 players" that come back and just play at the now top level. Is it possible the players in question you were talking about just spam games/haven't worked on modern fundamentals? Understanding of the game has evolved a lot in the past couple of years, imo if you play the game the same way you did in ow1 t500 without relearning stuff, yea you're gonna be diamond/masters. Just watch super old t500 games, they look like modern diamond games. I'm not gonna sit here and chirp anymore in a comment section that's filled with "I agree man, I can't get out of gold for the life of me" :( when any player diamond+ can take a gold acc and get out of it in a few sittings. Therefore, people should stop coping, grow a pair, get a coach, actually play with intent. Most people just mindlessly spam games and autopilot and are shocked that not changing anything DOESN'T change anything! I have climbed significantly since taking accountability, shutting the fuck up, studying the game, and playing with more intent. I used to be hovering around the plat region, blaming my teammates, saying "forced 50/50" "matchmaking rigged" all the typical npc bullshit that's being spewed as cope. I said "nah the reason I'm plat is because I'm plat.", got top coaching, made a plan, studied my play, shut the fuck up and didn't blame anyone anymore, only played when I was ready to execute my ideas the best I can. Ta-da, hit the bottom of gm, commonly play around masters, and can pick up any hero and be diamond. Note: I am not trying to flex my rank. Tons of people might say "oh bro ur not consistently gm like me ur shit haha" I have other obligations and my main concern isn't overwatch. I'm satisfied with the level I play at and have fun at it. I applied this same process of shutting the fuck up and doing it and stop blaming shit for professional poker as well and made it to the highest stakes and made a ton of money. I also coached people in this game to do the same. Accountability, people. Accountability and effort.

[@joemama-br6om]

@@jonh.668 what would you say to me being gold and getting in masters-diamond lobbys and getting steamrolled or silver low gold and steamrolling but i still lose because my team is also silver low gold. ive been gold 3 on doom the whole season, and gone double positive every game. not saying much but when your whole team is negative, you swap rein and winston to help them and peel and play like a tank not diving at all but still the only one getting value. and this is definitely partly due to dps simply being shit as a role and it being way harder to get value on, but i still feel like its incredibly difficult to make any progress in the ranked ladder. its gotten to the point where i lose games and still have gained sr. ive gotten in one game with similar rank players that felt similar to me in skill level, which i did lose and honestly they just played better. but the match range was gold 3 to masters 1. thats the most close game ive had the whole season, scoreboards were similar and it went ot. the game is genuinely just in a terrible state and theres no denying it, accountability is not the issue at hand its just TERRIBLE matchmaking

[@Ascendant275]

@@GREED_EU You are wrong. Matchmaker creates 3 types of matches: The hopeless ones where you lose no matter what, the ones where you stomp the enemy team instead, and finally the most important ones are the close matches where YOU get to carry and prove yourself. Sometimes in one of those close matches someone from your team might throw, leave the game, or you yourself will throw without realizing, but ultimately the game gives you a chance to climb and to prove yourself as a player, and losing one or two of those close matches won't set you back until there's no return. It's the big picture that matters. This system is utilized by many other competitive games, and it's that same system that forces 50% win rate so Comp casuals can get their dopamine hit and not feel completely hopeless, while those who want to climb will have the chance to do so, maybe not at a very fast pace, but the climb is ensured if their head is at the right place. Comp is all about the big picture and your personal journey as a player, there are no shortcuts. You yourself as a high ranking player should know that best. Climbing in any online competitive game requires a lot of commitment and dedication, and in a lot of cases improving requires you to treat the game like homework. Throw out all the fun, and focus on what you're doing. Those who can't accept that won't ever climb and will find themselves making excuses such as Loser Q, Elo Hell, and what not. None of this is exclusive to OW. Players who make bad decisions deserve to derank, Neutral players deserve to be stuck, individuals that make game winning plays deserve to climb. Period.

[@moodstif4530]

I think the reason they have private profiles is to hide the DOGSHIT matchmaking

[@khealer]

Absolutely.

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

yep. that's also why they segregated SR and MMR, so they can rigged the MM and gaslight you into thinking its "fair"

[@brandonw6139]

Same reason they got rid off levels.

[@jug-eun]

Having allies as red and enemies as blue is cursed af

[@deadspace4755]

Actually, it is quite good but l don't like the blue colour in this game due to the colour of the game. l prefer gold on enemies

[@return3116]

he hates his team that much

[@clarify-fc2380]

@@deadspace4755🤓

[@harrrieee]

replay viewer? they’ve capped and it shows team 2 has the objective

[@gentlemanx7987]

When replaying a match it does this sometimes. XD Yeah, its confusing. Why it still isn't possible to have the team colors representing the player that is the one watching the replay is... weird. :D Must be really hard to code that. :D

[@rainyleefa1984]

I am not a highly ranked player and I feel it too. I hate it. They made the game "roll or get rolled", to the point where sometimes my team will win but the win will not feel rewarding because it feels like we played against bots. And its even worse when you get totally rolled and lose and it feels like YOU are on a team full of bots or people who just downloaded the game for the first time. It's awful.

[@eruza_7716]

It just feels awful knowing that I won. Because the game decided hey it’s time for you to win , and I lose because the game decided hey it’s time for you to lose . Yesterday I went 30-4 as genji and still lost because my team didn’t play well at all , all that effort I put in wasn’t enough .

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

I hate those games where if you can't 1v5 you just lose

[@eruza_7716]

@@jeremyashcraft2053 bro I’m constantly having to carry but it’s not enough and it pisses me off all that effort just going to waste just because my team are actual A.I. I’m literally getting important picks targeting supports targeting other squishies and it’s not enough because my team just can’t carry their own weight

[@eruza_7716]

@@jeremyashcraft2053 I’m not the best player in the world heck I’m still learning but going 30-4 and trying so hard only to still lose cause it wasn’t enough is demoralising

[@michaelmcgee8189]

@@eruza_7716 play more 1v1 games then

[@thefalsehero]

​@@kielmessersmith1956 lol imagine coming in here and blaming a 30-4 genji for losing the match because they didn't 1) Kill all the enemies 2) Focus on the most dangerous enemies 3) Babysit their smoothbrain allies 4) Literally 1v5 the entire enemy team every fight Sure man, it's genji's fault. Absolutely no accountability should fall on the shoulders of his 4 other allies.

[@doga5899]

Every game feels like this rn. Even casual ones. It sucks that companies prioritize gambling addicts over a fun experience

[@VVVVV99611]

Most of the players left and there isn't much left

[@peekgod]

I have played this game since day 1 overwatch 1, i have been top 500 and im consistently top rank in other games i play. Tank, dps, support i often top frag in the lobby, die less but still most games it feels as if im being forced to hard carry. I played yesterday and had several “you were expecting to lose and lost, you were expected to lose and won”. I check my teammates win/loss and almost every match my team has a negative wr and the enemy team all has positive wr. I rarely ever feel like im going against people of equal skill and i never feel like my teammates are equal skill. I believe your conspiracy theory but im going to take it a step further, in your stats you can see information such as “kills per 10 mins” “heals per 10 mins”, if you simply watch a true bronze player vs a true gm player you will see theres 10x the amount of choices and actions being made by the gm player. I genuinely believe the system takes all this into account and balances the matches that way. So with your high hidden mmr + your high performance stats it will pair you with lower performance players vs a full team of average performing players . Im not begging to just be flung to rank 1 and perma stuck there but i want my matches to be fair, if im in diamond i want to be in a diamond match, not a “gold5-diamond 1” wtf is that. Im losing my mind watching my teammates die to simple things, step off the objective, refuse to switch, dps that have 500 damage 5 minutes into the game. I actually unistalled the game the other day because im just under the belief i am being punished for being good at the game. I have to work twice as hard as everyone else, still perform well only for my team to decide to throw for the 5th time in a row. Yea they definitely broke something within the last 2 patches ontop of the already rigged system. Idk, again ive been to the top several times, im not asking for much, i just want balanced matches thats all, i have to wait 8 minutes for a match thats decided on spawn, im tired of it and because of that im out unfortunately. Crazy enough this was the reason i quit overwatch 1, i quit the day i was in a top 500 match, the enemy team were all top 10 players and on my team i had 2 diamonds. I dont even know how that was possible but yea, i just love these games, i love performing i love out thinking the opponents but i asked myself now adays what am i even doing it for, it cant even be for the love of the game cus im not allowed to play due to my teammates dying 2seconds into every fight. Theres no sense of urgency in any rank, i feel like most people are playing because they like pretty colors idk

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

I think the MM has ruined a lot of the player base's spirit, nobody tries anymore because MM has been abusing them since the beginning.

[@zc8673]

8:00 that is not conspiracy. That's the whole reason they introduced the role balance system, where it's supposed to match roles against each other. The competitive system is not competitive at all, because it doesn't care about having people of the same skill level in a match as long as the teams are technically "balanced" by total MMR They need to change the name from competitive to ranked, because it is the furthest thing from competitive I have ever seen in a PVP game

[@mahwiiiife408]

Actually uninstalled overwatch because it feels like I'm just going up 20% then down 20% every match, every day.

[@mattevans4377]

What everyone needs to do. Companies won't learn their lesson if we keep accepting slop

[@djangomatador9442]

​@@mattevans4377exactly man

[@DragonReborn71]

I think a big culprit is the system they put into place to combat loss streaks, which supposedly won't put you in unfavored teams more than a few times in a row before putting you on a favored team. I thought it was a fine change at first, but the more I play the more it feels like scripted wins where I finally get teammates that can do the absolute bare minimum rather than one tricking an off meta hero with no comms and feeding. So my theory isn't that people are getting intentionally sabotaged per se, and it's more likely that you're experiencing being on the other end of someone else's favored win to prevent a loss streak (I know that's essentially the same thing but I'm trying to think with Blizzard logic here), and that people that clearly don't belong in a certain rank are being kept there perpetually by this system.

[@liolus]

if this actually exists then they should remove it entirely. i’m so tired of watching replays of my teammates and seeing them play like actual monkeys that were just given a keyboard and mouse and told to figure it out

[@tylerbacoka4248]

THEY SPENT MONEY!!

[@garikek]

You're thinking correctly. If one side is given a free win by the system, then the other is given a free loss. But then, after a few matches, you experience that treatment in reverse. This is literally forced 50/50 that devs oversaw. And pair that forced 50/50 holding you hostage in the same rank with a rank reset that shuffled the ranks, putting random plat players into masters and vice versa. The perfect recipe for an awful and rigged matchmaking system.

[@xdtyfails6497]

saying "everyone is gold" is generous. ive seen legit bronze level players in my plat matches where mfs are standing still on soldier not being punished but when i stand still for 0.1ms is literally everyone in the universe hard focuses me and im insta killed. they gotta stop doing these corny ass rank resets because i haven't felt a legit ranked match since SEASON 8

[@cookingwitharek9099]

So true, plus those placements are so random, like I lost few times but it gave me an even higher rank XD

[@elchochos8948]

⁠@@cookingwitharek9099fr my first ever ranked on my alt was high plat - low diamond and my support was gm5 on dps, it was a close match but we won and then it said my predicted rank was gold 3. The next 3 games my team got rolled and I was the only one who went positive and the rest of my placements were free wins

[@prodigalsun1678]

Even quickplay is like this. Yesterday i was playing dps and winning game after game on sojourn before i got put up against a lobby full of vastly superior players and EXACTLY like you said i had a soldier standing afk doing nothing on my team. He ended the game off with 1000 dmg after 6 minutes and just for reference im in diamond. Then after that game it was a loss streak of like 6 games where i felt completely powerless even while having the most elims and least deaths every game. No cope just straight up how it goes down nowadays

[@xeron2780]

Im convinced the MM has some algorythm to put you with such teammates, the amount of times I need to be the best performer in the team to win totals to literally half of my wins on tank. At this point Im pretty sure stats are used in MM because I tend to have to somehow carry an useless supp or dps half of the games I touch, rarely do I get a good dps to actually carry me. It makes no sense. 2.8 kd on rein diffing orisas and I still cant rank up despite being flexible.That being dva, orisa, zarya, ram, was learning winston as well.

[@cookingwitharek9099]

@@xeron2780 look at it from the other side, MM had to find u 2 underperforming players

[@InkyGhoul]

If I don't stack with friends I will play two games with great team mates or so, and then the next game or two games will have absolutely clueless players who're just kind of trolling

[@okidj683]

I've had great success playing tank with a support duo. Tank this season is just a fat dps, and if you have a brig or a kiri to combo with you, you are literally unstoppable. In most of my games, my teams dps can feed 0/12 and I still win because i picked Dva. For context, this is in diamond+. Bonkers season.

[@YouCanCallMeIz]

Watched a friend of mine play the game yesterday, and was absolutely flabbergasted to find that he was doing absolutely everything about as well as you could expect him to as a Mercy player, only to see his team throw like there's no tomorrow. It affects quickplay, low ranks, high ranks, etc. You'll get paired with a team of losers eventually.

[@methlord76]

dude ive been consistently masters for 4 seasons one tricking mercy and couldnt for the life of me win in diamond this season and even dropped to d5 at one point which has never happened to me 😭 i had a 40% wr ts was not just coincidence

[@liolus]

mercy is a straight throw pick in season 12, role queue or open queue. way too many better supports to play imo

[@methlord76]

@@liolus i havent played this game a lot since like s9 or kept up with patches but im pretty sure shes been a throw for a while? and ive still been in masters surely she hasnt gotten that much worse. i think a lot of it is the matchmaking and reset.

[@liolus]

@@methlord76 yeah that too but with the way they’re trying to make every character easy to pick up and with “press q to win fight” ults like juno being the meta it’s just so annoying to watch someone instalock mercy and never switch off when they could be using anti, lamp, speed boost, speed ring, etc.

[@methlord76]

@@liolus i guess so i used to think the same when i mained dps i thought mercy was useless as a teammates and i dont play hitscan so i rarely even got damage boost but since i dont play the game that much anymore i just play her for fun because no other support is fun imo except juno which i play if someone else takes mercy 🤷

[@return3116]

51% winrate for a whole season is hilarious

[@deadspace4755]

It has always been rigged. That's every online competitive in this era. Never take anything seriously on such games.

[@HasturBeta]

There was a really interesting vid awhile ago that went into detail about what stats you need in games an what pattern of play you need to trigger it giving you win streaks. It was so crazy how quick my games went to all stomp wins it was hard to believe what I was seeing.

[@R0s3456]

​@@HasturBetathat sounds interesting. I always had a feeling a system like that was in place cause there's days where I'm on 6 game win streaks and I can't seem to replicate that anymore

[@HasturBeta]

@@R0s3456 Found the video, if you search "Overwatch Matchmaking Decoded Part 1 and 2" you'll find it. they're by squirrel king

[@deadspace4755]

@@HasturBeta l remember in Wild rift (LOL mobile) by keeping your stats low; damage,kills,assists. The game thinks you're a bad player and places you with stronger teammates to babysit you. So if l play enchanters, which l did, l had high KDA, high stats but often get players who can't carry. You could literally do the TheBauss strategy with Sion(or anyone) by just focusing on towers and never hitting the enemy champs. Don't know if they adjusted it but the stats are important for the system to gauge you

[@HasturBeta]

@@deadspace4755 Yeah, for real. I remember watching vids on that too! So back when I found these videos it was pre sombra rework, where you'd never die but couldn't kill anyone either. That's when I started one tricking her and trying to do what this video said of getting less than 2 deaths per game. It worked. ONLY PROBLEM IS, like stated above, my account is literally cursed. I remember once having a win streak of 15 games an after each win it kept saying I was in the top 85% of people at my rank but never changed. lol

[@Drew-fn6rq]

There is a rigged match making system to some extent. If you are on a winning streak or losing they with place someone who is on a losing or winning on your team respectively. Devs confirmed this

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

yeah, there was a devblog that stated that. that alone should tell people outcomes are predetermined, yet nobody seems to talk about that. thats probably always why when i queue support, my dps are genji and hanzo 80% of the time. these kids are losing on repeat spamming the worst heroes in the game, so now they're in my game for me to carry.

[@epic9295]

I'm pretty sure this is confirmed because Activision started using some EBMM system for their games and even have a patent on it, while any source that was reported on that matter was shadowed or just taken down. Knowing Activision and blizzard work together I'm sure they have some form of it.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

it's in all of their games. Everyone of them

[@chocolate108]

Great vid, nice to know theres someone out there actually speaking for metal rank players. It's absolutely insane when people say u can swing games as any role when anyone that's not you can and often will go 2-3 deaths per minute. I'm gold 1 btw, which I definitely think I don't belong at. I've seen many vods (from other content creators' vod reviews) of that rank and most of them don't even look like they have any clue on whether their teammates are alive or not, or where to stand in a fight

[@ferdam666]

they shoud nerf genji to fix this issue...

[@tylerbacoka4248]

After 13,000 games of ow2 I'm going to go out and say it's just rigged. I'd have a better chance ranking up in breakdancing at the Olympics because Ray Gun is on my team every other match.

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Having been playing this game from the start, the best way I can frame the explanation of matchmaking is that most people dont play all the heros at that persons highest level, and most people dont one trick.

[@zc8673]

As a Sombra main, I can no longer fault people for hating Sombra after the rework. Before her rework she actually required a lot of skill to get any kind of value out of, but since her rework both her skill floor and ceiling have been completely demolished and she has been reduced to a low skill pub stomper who has little to no viability against decent players.

[@ohyeah7307]

Its crazy how people are trying to say that she's 100 percent fair. She has the best engagement tool with no cost.

[@MER17T]

yup completely agree I heavily main tracer but I loved playing sombra before the rework she felt really fun to play but now she's just no fun to play as

[@commandoch12i5]

People who don't realize matchmaking is rigged = not skilled enough to notice the blatant weak links that screw you over. Those people are slaves to the system for sure. Incapable of realizing that there's actually variables manipulated to purposely predetermine games.

[@yesnonoyessir]

If you have no idea how programming works you wouldn't imagine that devs would need rules for their system to work off of you wouldn't understand what's going on

[@eliacerastudillo3354]

I was platinum 1 and the game decided that it was not the rank I belonged to, despite playing well and giving 100% of myself, I was left on a losing streak that I can't believe, every 10 games lost the matchmaking gives me 1 game won, like this until I go down to silver 2 in all modes. In OW1 I was always high platinum, and once I went to diamond. I no longer have the desire to play rank anymore

[@skylershuman7705]

I had the same experience. I was about to rank up to plat with around a 75% win rate as zenyatta. I had 1 really bad game. Since then I've gone on a nearly 50 game losing streak and my win rate dropped to 20%. I've changed nothing in my gameplay. My DMG and healing per 10 minutes has actually steadily increased. I even had 8k/8k per 10 minutes and dropped 50 on zen and lost. I have no impact on my games no matter how well or poor I play. Every game is a significant stomp. I guess the game decided on a single game I needed to be silver.

[@darkcloud12345678900]

you are 100% correct, what it is that one side gets server priority, thats why for one round it feels like the other team is bots, and the next they are gods amongst men. as well there is a problem with ow2's engine, time is quite literally not the same depending on how good your pc is and how it interacts with the event timer. example, I have two pc's since I make custom ones to sell. I was hardstuck d3 on one pc, and the day I used the custom I won 11 games in a row and am now masters 5, with a WORSE monitor. both pc's can run 600 fps smooth, both pc's have a latency of 3.0 ms framtime valorant does this as well, 100% messes with server priority depending on what side you start on

[@cookingwitharek9099]

I completely agree, its just sad that 4 ppl on my team can be extremely good but then there is that one support that does not even shoot XD

[@zc8673]

I literally had a game where four of my teammates were working incredibly well together, perfect target focus, great timing, peeling and looking out for each other. But then we had one DPS who was so clearly completely in over their head and that one person was able to completely negate all of the efforts of the rest of our team. We absolutely outclassed the enemy team and nearly one despite being in a 4v5, but they were able to feed enough ult charge to the enemy to give them the advantage.

[@geert574]

a lot of supports only play the role because insta games to farm gold gun they really dont care about being healer

[@lordkanti8260]

Cod players have been complaining about this issue for years. It wasn’t until a crazy man took on the entire company and exposed them that they changed…. Until BO6 released

[@peterwake5265]

The “crazy theory” makes a lot of sense. How else is it going to work? They say they match role for role, but that can still lead to unfair games… Say, they match supports and the supports are over average, then the dps are matched to each other but below, the supports take an extra hit to their rank from “supposed to win” even though the rest of their team is (relatively) trash and it actually came down to a random tank pick… and there’s the last point. Tank match ups are so volatile that in comp, all it takes is for the tank to get a bad match-up at the start for a “fair” game to snowball into a stomp. A minute of poor play at the start due to a one-sided match-up… the team gives up… players fool around or throw and it’s all over. Tank impact is just too much, and the tank match-ups matter too much - your games can come down to that, especially if everything else is finely balanced. And that’s assuming your tank player isn’t an entitled idiot who throws a tantrum if the rest of the team doesn’t pick the characters he likes to play with. Every role has their gripes, but it’s only tanks that feel so entitled to decide the entire team comp and throw on purpose if they don’t get their way. There’s also the issue of “stats are meaningless”. No matter your role, your kill, damage and heal numbers mean nothing. So many matches I saw a team with lower numbers across the board is the winner. The goal is to hold space or push a cart, not get kills or pad your healing total. You can win a fight, but if you win it in the wrong place, you still lose. A lot of players seem to farm stats and forget about winning the game.

[@blacktwitterbestof3151]

im glad someone is finally doing some experimentation

[@vape42069]

the amount of dps/supports I get in masters that BOTH go negative is insane… the only games I win in masters is when I get lucky and get ppl that are actually humans behind their screen and they go positive

[@dash4800]

yeah i don't get it. I think in all the comp games I have played since OW1 I have gone negative less than 20 times. And thats like a 7-8 in a game where we had a leaver or something. Never a 4-17 or some of the stuff I see. And I'm not even that good, only ever reached diamond 1. I don't know how people rank up higher than that when they consistently have atrocious games.

[@hafeez387]

it is rigged and those *bad* players may not even be bad at all.. its the latency change..

[@sentokigames151]

It's in all ranks, cuz I get these 20 win streaks then get a 25 lose streak. And I dropped from plat all the way to silver (last season even to bronze) Also 'skills' where you are invisible is just plain stupid in any game. It's basically cheating, but legal.

[@genkidamavideos99]

I’m in gold rn on dps and every single game I get a silver tank while the enemy has a plat or diamond tank

[@CringeAlarmm]

Its EOMM and its so painfully clear, and has been for a while. New generations of competitive games now use the system because it keeps player retention at the cost of fair and competitive matchmaking

[@RiderOfKarma]

The sr explanation makes so much sense. If both overall teams sr is 10k each you would expect everyone to be 2k mmr, but if you are a 3k bumped down that surplus 1k you have would be subtracted, deranking one or two of your teammates potentially by 500. Maybe the other team also has a 3k but the balance is distributed evenly, not focused on one or two weak links. There’s a lot of ways it could lead to bad games. Waste of time games.

[@dash4800]

they could fix a lot of this simply by revealing mmr. What possible reason is there for a hidden skill ranking that determines your overall rank? Why not make it visible so you know if you are not doing enough in your games to rank up or not. I want to know if the 70% winrate guy is actually good or just gets carried. I want to know if i need to do something different to bring my mmr up so I can actually rank up. And beyond that, I want to know what specific actions make that mmr go up. I already have really high stats, is there specific things in game they want each hero to do to get a higher mmr? That stuff should be out there for every player to see.

[@de3invoker965]

the matchmaker is not horrible, it is very good at doing exactly what it is supposed to do and that is drive you crazy and make you question yourself (eomm) at 2:30 i 100% agree with you i have had that feeling for many months now but since they overtuned tanks / season 12 start it feels stronger than ever... so far you could somewhat bruteforce wins if you just stacked with enough good enough players in lower elo but even that is starting to not work anymore at 3:47 it doesnt really give you the worst teammates of all time but the matchmaker knows the weaknesses and strenghts of any player and puts it in a way to achieve more or less a 50/50

[@nurple1976]

i hit top 241 off a great win streak this season than fell to d1 after getting people PLAYING THERE PLACMENTS in top 500 games (i average from d2-m4 from my past seasons)

[@daedora1021]

It also explains why it's so much easier to climb on new accounts and impossible on older accounts (MMR theory). It's still not enough for me to completely believe it but it does add to it and makes a lot of sense

[@Acrophyllia]

I hard-stuck in silver for like a month. But suddenly in 2-3 days, I climbed all the way from silver 4 or 5 to gold with like 2-3 losses.... Yeh, something's weird with the matchmaking.

[@x811-qe4xb]

my theory it puts you with bad team mates to make queue time low

[@dash4800]

i think they do it the check you if you are doing to good. In the last week I have had 3 separate 7 game win streaks. Each time, the instant I get the winning trend bonus I get paired up with a braindead npc the next game. Do too good and suddenly you get a speed only lucio, or you get a 2-17 sombra on your team.

[@notszaofc]

Something i have experienced as a high diamond (diamond 1 to be precisely) is that in at least 1/3 of my games has at least 1 smurf account, and sometimes even the smurfs cant do much in those games

[@Phoenix42.0]

There could be a player retention matchmaking algorythm in the game. Matching people to keep them playing the game longer depending on if they're the kind of player to quit after a win or loss streak and other patterns of quitting the game being avoided.

[@Accuaro]

I feel like OW is trying to pull people from wider ranks to fill out the queue faster, so you get faster queue times at the cost of lower quality games. It's that extreme.

[@davich_]

It's not a conspiracy theory. I have literally seen a bronze player and a master player (not duoed) in the same game. Matchmaking is completely busted and has been for a while now.

[@linxismenow5804]

I think that it is a background balance but it happens for a reason to make que times appear lower and to make the player base look larger

[@juicedmoonlight]

One of my friends dropped from GM5 all the way down to Bronze due to placements. Now he is slowly climbing out of it again but not while always having 60elims in every game and terrorizing the entire lobby. AND SOMEHOW HE STILL LOSES IN BRONZE/SILVER/GOLD SOMETIMES WITH 60 ELIMS. Like how xD

[@Dredgenn]

Bc ow isn’t a tdm…, being top fragger doesnt mean everything and even if you do well, the morons in the team will undo all your efforts

[@demonicdude1328]

It sucks being good at games because you're more likely to be matchmade with bad players since the majority of people who play games don't care about getting better

[@kash125]

They all but confirmed your theory when they made that change that said if you’re on a losing streak you won’t be placed on the team that is expected to lose. Sidenote I was top 500 console switched to pc and had a 70% win rate in gold and it took me almost 70 games to climb out. I think that hidden mmr affects your sr gains bc I would get nothing for wins and lose 30 for losses😭. Rank reset helped a lot though I will say that.

[@thatonepronoun7503]

nerf genji to fix it

[@eagerinspirit]

overbloated stats took carry potential away

[@tylerbacoka4248]

the stats are lol every game, no math needed.

[@Opelteanit]

I don't play competitive anymore and haven't since OW1 but I do occasionally watch replay codes from various ranks. The other day I was watching a GM 5 lobby and was completely dumbfounded with a couple of players on one team. How in the FUCK did these two, easily no better than Gold, make it into GM? For some people it's clear as day that their ranks are either grossly inflated or deflated. Unbelievable.

[@mushymcmushington7176]

So I feel like there is actually just a bit of credence to this feeling. I think it comes from hero balance and the willingness of players to actually use those heroes. I play a pretty select ***few*** heroes; Thusly my rank slides up and down between Platinum and Masters every couple seasons/balance patches because I am **not** willing to play a hero simply because they're good, and so I'm beholden to the current balance of my preferred heroes. For instance, Brigitte and Lifeweaver are in a really good spot this season, so I've been in Masters. A couple seasons ago I was low Platinum. Before that? High Diamond. Next balance patch? Who knows! Either way you won't catch me dead playing a hero simply because Blizzard decided they were going to be the meta this season.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

spoken like a true chad ^^

[@saucyfrank6816]

I dont think people know how different high elo is from low elo.... its like that quote from whiplash give a gold player a calculator and theyre gonna try and turn a tv on with it. But on the flip side I honestly dont know how to balance or create a system that rewards individual performance, going off the stats like damage, deaths, heals, etc, doesnt really make sense because arguably a "high heal" weaver is just staying alive somewhere in narnia watching his entire team die and refusing to switch. I think the matchmaking was already messed up in previous seasons but in the scenario that my team is ass, no comms, no follow-up, scared supports, gold dps, classic season 12: theres really not much you can do except playing a character like hog (who is basically all hook mechanics and very bad) and sure ive definitely 1v5ed with that one shot potential but at the end of the day the team just counters you eventually, and because your team is not even remotely open to switching (they want to play their weaver, moira, mercy who pockets no one) you will get demolished by 3-4 counters because you are single handedly carrying your entire team on your shoulders with these high risk tanks and have to choose between playing into a really bad matchup or swap to another hero whom you have to play with essentially zero sustain. People who dont deadlift on tank, dps, supp, just dont understand what needs to be done to win the game or where weaknesses/pressure is coming from. Anyone who says that you can win on every hero is objectively wrong, and if you dont believe me go get top 500 with mercy solo q. Also can we get a vote kick on jonh? why is openai john pork in this comment section legit the 12:31 nerd emoji its like he didnt watch the vid. No but honestly if ppl would solo q for a couple hours everyday theyd understand where the frustration is coming from. So much time is needed to keep climbing that its just not worth it, 18 game win streaks hardly even get you anywhere.

[@Enriquelorn]

Am I the only one that this happens to? I play support mainly but then i get bad dps, so I change to Dps and then i get bad supps so i play a few matches until its unbearable and i change to supp then i get bad dps, then i change into tank and i get bad supps and dps and the cycle goes on and on.

[@drawingablank3904]

i really don't understand the ranked system anymore, they removed sr and it went to shit I went 8-2 on my support placements WLWLWx6, got diamond I went 8-2 on dps placements, LWLWx7, got gold My first dps game I was playing against masters while my first support game was against plats. I don't think I did anything but get carried in the last two or three support games. Dps though, on my losses, none of us could do anything against the enemy teams, otherwise we were steamrolling. Sometimes I was way outperforming my team, in others I was a bit behind. But I fundamentally cannot understand how these matchups work or why I'm playing with or against the people in my games. Hell, my last game I played I was against a widow with a mercy pocket who had almost 50 kills, their team was dragging ass and I was definitely feeding a bit throughout the game. But we ended up winning, to the rage of the tryhard widow. I went to check their profiles and all of them were private.

[@felixd3419]

Dude i feel this, like i genuinely get BRONZE 6 teammates

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

I went on a 14-game win streak playing juno, but even then, in some of those game I had to outperform my dps and both enemy supports to win. Now I'm just waiting for the game to hit me with a massive lose streak.

[@ThisIsExile91]

SOLO queue is rigged, absolutely. Play in a group that you are confident with, and you'll climb. It's that's simple

[@Ahijbbiikl44]

i remember season 8 i was mid gm, i was smurfing and an enemy diamond player was INSANE, his mechanics were better than mine. I started duoing with him and tried so hard to get him to win his teams were awful… sometimes we duod one time i remember throwing for him for the lols making the game a 4v5 in his favour, they still lost… fast forward he is now even better than me peaking rank 40 on dps, yes he did get better, but honestly the idea he was ever diamond was weird. and he was HARDSTUCK i coached him a lot and he became my duo for like 3 seasons, we won a lot but like some ppl just cant win, i feel like masters players now in general are so weirdly awful and boosted around m5 but yeah, atleast they gave more avoid slots

[@whirl89]

I fucking knew it some of these plats didnt even know what counter swapping was once I was in a game with a guy who had no idea what a frontline and backline is.

[@its_lucky2526]

giga buff orisa fortify to cover this issue.

[@TheUnseenKrab]

I've noticed that i win 5 games then loose 5. And the process just repeats and reapeats. It's mentally taxing.

[@jeremyashcraft2053]

and during the win streak, team mates are playing smart, controlling the map, controlling angles, using ultimates properly, etc. and during the loss streak, team mates are walking in 1v5 and dying, using their ultimate in a panic right as they die, not regrouping between fights.... There is just an obvious pattern here... you either get a team that knows how to play the game or you don't and the only way to win is to somehow _literally_ 1v5 the enemy team.

[@lukashofbauer5051]

I noticed something in ranked as well. it seems like every single player ALWAYS gets at least put into silver 2 there is no chance to even get lower than that. Ive tested it several seasons completely throwing and still geting this rank. some players habe enough luck to climb after this placement to gold or ive seen them in plat with like 30 games played this season. means they dont really play ranked. they que and get an instant win after they put the game away for several days. and dude im sure this bonus matchmaking after being off the game for so song IS engeneered

[@netheranimal8067]

I came back to the game after 3 years. Last time I played was OW1 in 2021. I played hitscan dps. Was mid diamon (peak 3300SR) in OW1. Did my placements in OW2 it placed me in gold 2. I was surprised that it placed me in 50% of playerbase skill because I was 5% skill the last time I played... I thought "ok, thats weird but whatever". I then started playing competitive every day for 1-2 hours. It would give me very lopsided games. It would be a landslide every game, it would just change which direction. My winrate was about 40% or so, but every win I'd get 75-80% progress, so the game (by its own very logic) thought I was WAY better than my rank. But I still lost more game than I won. I climbed to Diamond 5, 80% progress. After that I've had 25 games and 3 wins out of those 25 games. I am now Plat 4. The game stopped giving me massive win gains, and is giving me 21% per win and takes 27% per loss. This happened right as season 12 came out - I started playing OW again during S12 launch day. Almost every single game I've played since then has been a loss. My winrate is below 20% right now. The game thought I was better at the game the first 3 days after a 3 year long break than I am now, a month after coming back and spending hours & hours re-learning the game? Make it make sense. The answer to that is its Engagement Oriented Matchmaking. But I still shouldn't be having 20% winrate, nobody should be. Also, to anyone willing to take this further than their curiosity and maybe use it for research / whatever I am willing to provide my battlenet # so anyone can see that I am not making this up.

[@ERK_hanna]

What's your battle net?

[@geert574]

plat is new diamond everyone deranked at ow2 release Im now a silver before a gold. XQC and co are now master, gm is for very few

[@RampagingCoder]

well, ill say it: blizzard forces a 50/50 win rate

[@khealer]

I've also said it since OW1.

[@DevonIsMad]

There are 4 reasons it is this way and they all result in less individual player agency which makes your teammates inadequacies more apparent and they are Titanus Tanks, Overpowered sustain, S9 Health changes and 5v5.

[@WarHammer654]

I was masters on all 3 roles on console with support being highest. swapped to pc and originally got plat on support, which I was okay with since I was adjusting to pc. I played a lot of support to adjust to pc, but never really ranked up. Eventually I hit a point where I felt I was fully adjusted and playing well. 2 seasons later and I picked up tank and dps out of frustrations and hit masters on both on pc with ease within 40 games. To this day, still, I cannot get my support out of plat while consistently outperforming enemy supports.

[@WarHammer654]

There has to be something with it, like after so many games stuck in a rank it identifies you as a "better plat player" or something and makes you carry crap players who don't belong

[@tylerbacoka4248]

love this video, (genji) how you're just nailing everyone's head for like 2 minutes before they realize, they shoot u once and boom full to 15 hp.

[@StupidityInANutshell]

It's nice hearing a take from a high ranked player that isn't just "you're just bad, git gud." That's the majority of the takes i hear when people complain about bad teammates. Sometimes it is your fault, sometimes it is your teammates. But these other high ranked players don't seem to comprehend it's not always your fault for losing. I've largely stopped playing overwatch because it's 90% either stomp or get stomped. Sure, i'll get a handful of matches that could go either way. But a couple matches out of 50 isn't fun. Only reason i still play this god awful game is cause i enjoy doomfist and haven't found a similar experience elsewhere.

[@gary64864]

i think MM is actively maintaining a ratio close to 50/50. All my seasons post s8 have had a ratio close to 50/50.. with a variation of only 2-3%. that can only happen if someone is manipulating.. i.e., MM!

[@eckleyy]

And if you base the winrate stats off of paper, their matchmaking looks good to the public. "50% winrate? Wow they must be super accurate with choosing the right players to compete!" Not!!

[@Beckwourth]

Hardstuck gold over here i almost made it into plat but then the stupid matchmaking just says no and i drop down to almost silver ugh.. it's literally a predetermined match of a Loss or a win. I made a new account and did my placement matches and got into high plat and after that i got into diamond and stopped playing on the account out of concern of losing the rank with the poor matchmaking, i am basically a diamond player in gold that's can't climb because of all the BS matches I've been going through.

[@wauchi1895]

The matchmaking is most definitely rigged in Quick Play. Whether that applies to Competitive I am not sure yet. In Quick Play I ran Pylon test. Aka I'd basically play Illari and do absolutely nothing aside from setting Pylon so I wasn't tagged for being AFK. Pretty much forcing the team into a 4 vs 5. And what I found out is the consistent 2 loss & 1 win, pattern. 2 games will be guaranteed losses, even if you tried, you would've had lost them. Occasionally there will be a 3 loss & 1 win, but the 3rd loss is usually pretty close and hard to get. However once you end of on a 2nd or 3rd loss, your next game is a guaranteed win. Like you might not even set up the Pylon, and you'd still win, your teammates will just absolutely and utterly stomp the enemy team. So matchmaking is 100% rigged for Quick Play, for Competitive I have no idea as I've haven't attempted tests there as to not ruin people's ranking there.

[@MultiAssassin31]

I have a 60 win rate on all my mains, lucio, sombra, Winston And I noticed EVERY GAME I lose or barely win, I have 2 players who are between 43-47 win rate I’ve asked the other team mates to tell me their win rates and every time those 2 trash cans bring our potential win rate to 51 or 52% win rate. Statistically somehow we should have the edge but it’s completely inflated by my win rate. They completely fucked the matchmaking in glad you touched on the 40% GMs. That shit went over everyone’s head.

[@affenaffgaffel8330]

Roblox bad business isn't rigged... (It's just you)

[@crucialspectre7401]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are manipulating the match making. I hope they aren't but Call of Duty does it. It's called Engagement Optimized Match Making. Basically if you win too much you won't want to play, same thing with losses. So it basically fixes games for you or against you to keep you engaged.

[@Karthig1987]

Why is there a hidden MMR? Just have a SR like in OW 1 and have it be the only number? Does that kind of system break the game?

[@psycoskunk9145]

My first 2 support placement matches during the first rank reset, I played against a Kiri who literally did nothing. At best, they’d actually ‘try’ and get a few kills, but their total healing after both games was under 2,000. Everyone on both teams started flaming the guy, who explained that he was throwing his placements so that he could get placed in Bronze......

[@dustydee9233]

I agree this season feels very wrong. I am just diamond/plat player granted but I have played ow a lot and the matches this season feels so uneven all the time.

[@jirayemazak]

All true bro. Youre the best ow content creator keep it up. F these shills who wont speak up

[@slade3361]

I still play off my original account that I had in Plat in OW1. Ever since then I have grown in skill and gamesense immensely but it seems like it just doesnt matter as I am stuck in Gold 3 of all places. Its like I get actual silvers on my team and diamonds on the other its just a extreme difference. Ill have people just trickling in 1 at a time and staggering while im just sitting there dumbfounded. I wish they would factor in your hidden MMR as well as having your KD have a impact on your ranking up or down because if I am running into multiple games where I am the only one performing and the other 4 are going negative kd I shouldnt be penalized for their lack of gamesense and skill. I do not have fun playing with bots I want to have a even game where my decisions have impact. Thats why a lot of the time I will just load up Deathmatch as at least I can easily win games and have my skill be rewarding. Its absolutely unmotivating to grind and grind for no reason just to never reach the rank where I feel like im playing against players of my own skill both against me and with me.

[@akimbofresh8109]

Exact thing happened to me. Just make another account and you’ll get placed higher immediately 🤷🏼‍♂️ Went from hardstuck Gold to Diamond. Still can’t get my OG account out of Gold for some reason. There is shenanigans going on with the algorithm 100%

[@akimbofresh8109]

@@slade3361What do you mean? Just create another Battlenet account dude.

[@cere-s]

ik this has nothing to do with the video but do you use benchmarks while aim training and if you do which benchmark and what is your rank in them I just wanna know

[@GREED_EU]

I do not

[@Jinx759]

Ive gone from masters 1 to diamond 2 and I do 30 000 dmg and top frag and least deaths in 16 minutes and still lose, i have plenty of games where I top frag and least deaths and most dmg and still lose, I usually have like 6-8k more dmg than the 2nd highest and I seem to be losing more than im winning. I win plenty of uphill battles and lose alot of consolations maybe that has to do with MMR and I always keep doing more than enemy tank. He can hve 15 deaths and still gt carried because I Get healbots and low dmg dps with low elims. Some random moira will just be on the enemy team occasionaly in my backline and keep disrupting forcing me to peel and look back because my Ana doesnt hit any cooldowns or they cant aim to forme her out. The matchmaking feels horrendous.

[@GDKiba]

this is simply what happens when blizzard for some ungodly reason decides to do a rank reset in a season with a new hero and a new gamemode.

[@ItsThatKidGreg]

This season feels like "roll or be rolled". I've had some great games but teammates and opponents are hit or miss by a mile

[@0niXin0]

This has been a thing in multiplayer games for decades i noticed it first in tlou factions, i used to be goated in it. The enemie teams kills distributed equally while im just hard carrying my team, 24 lives, enemies average 8 per person my team averages 2 per person like the match making accounted for me hard carrying, if i wasnt sweating my team were just getting rolld practically every match i played. Shit takes a toll on you mentally but i will gives them credit that it was judged pretty accurate how often matches made it down to wire on both teams

[@vixionvortex]

There was a time where (i usually plau dps genji one trick) where i hopped on support, my aim is pretty good as, i'm a console gold 5 and on dps i'm silver 3 where when i queued my support my dps were playing worse than when i usually do on dps and they were gold 4. Now i don't know if they were havin a bad day or what but it genuienly makes me wonder how some people get higher ranks than me when all i do is q dps most of the time

[@pettttson]

its been rigged since day 1 of ow2. it was in ow1 too but not nearly as noticable cuz the matchmaker actually made sure to get more decent games (at the expense of long q times)

[@joeysantos2060]

imagine coming back to the game as a high diamond player my whole overwatch 1 and 2, and being stuck in gold and cant climb out. 😭

[@rua893]

yea the matchmaking is broken .. thank u for keeping it real 👍👍

[@doge9455]

Real i kept feeling like in the middle of someone else deranking and always happens when i was close to ranking up

[@cynthiapeach3944]

I get so many games where no matter how much you babysit your teammates they still just do the wrong thing, I play dps and my healers only heal a tank who has 99.9% over a dps on 0.01% hp and me and the other dps feel it so hard to the point I can't poke even as sombra or mei, and then same thing if I have a duo in my team that won't give a flying flip about the rest of the team the entire match just each other. but if I play healer and heal everyone our tank runs in alone giving no time for anyone to catch up and play with them and dies with 0 picks and goes 0-8 and that would be be higher if only having a throwing tank let the game last longer than 3 minutes. and then I try go tank instead and never get follow up even when I don't make the same mistake of running in alone my teams are too scared to press w without a top 500 reinhardt that has shatter on a 3 second cooldown and we lose (I don't play tank nearly as often but I do not think the role is hard at all). And then if I stack up with anyone I get punished into the depths of hell against top 500s smurfing in low plat, even if I don't that still happens cause my bronze duo that gets thrown on my team summons the top 500 genji on the enemy team that goes 24-0. If you can't "relate" to this you are lying and I do not believe you or your account is new and you're the smurf farming off of blizzards system to make new players play with veterans of the game. And I'm not sitting here saying I play the best sombra widowmaker NA but I just want my games to feel even a pinch of even and fun, I pray for the day where they separate solo queue and 5 stack comp to be their own rank formats. And idk why they would make further gold weapon rewards being the emerald weapons cause I think playing comp for gold weapons is what makes comp so so sooooooo miserable, please overwatch just put that system in the hero mastery I beg of you. And it's worse when you're a girl and people legit throw your games into the ground then blame you for being female.

[@Donler]

Seeing players like Wanted and Numbers trapped in Masters this season is crazy. They've been consistently GM in any other season. Sure Cass and Mei aren't meta, but they're both really skilled players that deserve to be in GM.

[@jonh.668]

@@Donler t500 used to all be high gm. Now it stretches to masters. Basic rank deflation. Also, why does someone bring high rank in the past entitle them to coming back and just haha me at top ranks again. Maybe there are some players that got significantly better than that player during their downtime.

[@geert574]

Mcree does no damage at range and everyone plays DVa leaving him alone and confused while she boosts her way to a zenyatta 😂

[@jonh.668]

@@geert574 Yea, at high mmr, meta and balance matter. But a gold player saying "my hero isn't meta" is cope. I think wanted playing in masters is pretty clear to understand. - the guy took a long break, therefore there will be a period of time to adjust back to the game - cass is struggling right now and that matters at high mmr -notable rank deflation on the reset Doesn't seem that difficult to understand right now.

[@gamist8166]

​@@jonh.668you should watch numbers and say that again lmao

[@dsvd4727]

@@jonh.668 Come on. There are champions players, they can't be that much better than him, to be a whole division higher, while he was playing with and against them just few seasons ago

[@Karthig1987]

So you play in EU servers right? I always assumed bastion main is NA

[@MaxGunner2077]

That's because they still need to "BALANCE THE GAME" they do that by switching it back to 6v6 the "CORRECT FORMAT"

[@thenesquik2699]

I just lost 2 matches in diamond because 2 teammates. They didn’t have any stats on their carrier profile and level 1 endorsement ( so basically new players) that’s ridiculous!

[@professorzoom6318]

i believed this always was the case. But this season it's exaggerated heavily, perhaps due to rank reset, or due the surge on new players in ow2 in general, or due to meta being so easy to abuse you see hardstuck diamond support players skyrocket into gm by onetricking juno (as a recent example) but then juno gets nerfed and they are ass cheeks on gm lobbies. And i also hate how impactful placement matches are past few seasons

[@minowminow7653]

It has been driving me up a wall. I have never considered myself a pro by any means. I played OVW since OVW1 early days and in those times I was high plat or diamond. Now, at first in OVW2 I had attributed my poor, free falling rank performance to having to learn the 5v5 tactis. But after 2 years in, Im just apalled. Like how is it that in this rank, I am seemingly paired with people who don't even understand the basic mechanics of the game?! I am a Tank/Support main. I will literally watch Moiras just drain in big fights instead of healing critically low tanks or teammates. Or moira trying to solo flank like a damn dps. Or mercy just being cannon fodder. Or tank just plowing head first from spawn into a 1 v5 five times in a row, keeping us staggered. Ult timeliness? Forget it. As a zarya I could get the fattest grav, and my dps with an ult? Not using them. They want to wait until there is 2 enemies on obj to blow 3 ults at once. I could ping, I could chat, I wont even be toxic, and they dont respond like at all. And 9/10 my stats/KDA save for me or one other teammate are the best on the entire team even when we are getting absolutely stomped. Sometimes we make mistakes, or play bad, I can recognize when that happens. I can! But it literally feels like I'm being trolled or playing with bots!

[@clinteastwood14896]

It's the same in quick play (my qp mmr is somewhere in gm btw). I just lost 9 qp matches in a row (all on support), they were complete stomps. Enemies constantly have dps players that go 20-3 or 25-1, I have a Reinhardt who's shieldbotting and goes 1-8 with 3k dmg. There was nothing I could've done to win those 9 matches. But now it turned around, I've won 5 matches in a row since then. Complete stomps, I have the best tank/dps players in the world, enemies can't do anything to win. This is EXTREMELY frustrating. Seriously, this type of matchmaking just makes me want to quit the game forever. In OW1 you had control over 90% of the matches and the 10% of matches felt like rigged. In OW2 at least 90% of the matches feel rigged by the matchmaker and less than 10% of matches you actually can influence.

[@Blackjack2373]

I don't know what John668 is smoking, but you are absoluetly right. i have 2 accounts, the oldest seems to get the worst matchups, the newer one gets consistently good matches. I peaked high master in ow1 and ow2, created the second account to play ranked games in a chill manner without hard trying a while ago. Now i'm struggling to stay Plat on the old account, and high diamond in the newer one. 15 avoid slots are not enough for all the plat crackheads. The coach is capping to sell a course. Went 5-1 in diamond and 0-7 on plat today. This situation is reccurent, and the odds of it happening again and again is unreasonnable.