Overwatch 2 Mythbusters - S9 DPS PASSIVE Edition

[@vkboogie]

I wish there was a visual indicator to show you have the dps passive applied to you

[@LuminoX688]

They're working on it

[@Lyra_dragonal]

Like cauterize in paladins

[@nynave300]

They said they are working on it

[@Meese12]

Most original comment award 2024

[@Rinoshy]

I'd rather not have more clutter on the screen, so hopefully they just make it an option

[@MetalSam25]

I remember they nerfed damage boost to not apply on Hanzo's ultimate because it went through Transcendece and now it doesnt matter anymore

[@shanem8957]

They did it with junk tire and dva bomb too. But that was bc mercy got insane ult charge for boosting it.

[@bigfudge2031]

@@shanem8957 Not sure why, Mercy should be allowed to have things like this, it separates the good Mercy players from the bad ones, yet Blizzard only ever seems to remove skill expression from her.

[@shanem8957]

@@bigfudge2031 the issue is when she could get valk every fight sometimes more than once. They would have to increase the ult cost to balance it.

[@bigfudge2031]

@@shanem8957They could have just massively nerfed Valk duration but decreased the cost to make it more like a tracer pulse bomb where you earn it often but have little impact, it would make Mercy a much more fluid character.

[@seeohdoubleyou3427]

@@bigfudge2031i dont think holding one button down instead of the other should even be called a skill expression tbh

[@CHEWYCHEWYQQ]

Bubble Pop is such a throwback.

[@jprice1928]

That edit took me flat out I was not expecting that

[@FXtrtzor]

health packs are not affected by dps passive because they apply cleanse effect: you can remove Ashe burn, widow's venom mine effect by using them as well.

[@spinethrasher5371]

Don’t cleanse hack or slows tho

[@solidforge2016]

It doesn't cleanse Ana's anti-heal or JQ's rampage, which are probably the most similar debuffs to the DPS passive.

[@jayayj5574]

@@solidforge2016well to be fair it’s ANTI HEAL

[@robingilmore3924]

​@@jayayj5574to be fair, in a sense, so is the dps passive

[@jayayj5574]

@@robingilmore3924 while yes that’s true it’s not an active ability by another player therefore it’s irrelevant to the mechanics of the actual gameplay.

[@murilotheodoro5025]

Health packs remove negative effects such as Burn and Poison. Do they remove the dps passive?

[@pixel_vengeur391]

Literally answered a minute into the video

[@HelalAndre]

I agree! Like in Team Fortress 2

[@bumblewyn]

@@pixel_vengeur391No, the video answers if the health pack healing is reduced by the passive, not if the passive is cleansed afterwards.

[@livid_spider]

@@bumblewynunless whoever coded the dps passive is insane then the health pack healing as normal would indicate the passive was cleansed

[@pixel_vengeur391]

@@bumblewyn If the pack heals for the whole amount, it cleanses the passive, like it does the burning effect or venom mine

[@joemamasaho]

KarQ with the hyuna reference straight off the bat was definitely not something i expected, but something i do profoundly respect.

[@CubbyTech]

KarQ stands for not wasting any time! Thanks for all the work you put into these!

[@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs]

Genji deflecting a Moira damage orb is kinda strong if that orb is deflected into a good position, right? It'll constantly be applying the dps passive if it's floating around and touching the enemy.

[@bigfudge2031]

You're overthinking it a bit too much, the passive it's that strong. Bastion can shoot 300 bullets at the enemies and constantly apply the passive, yet he is one of the worst DPS right now (as he always should be)

[@bigshid7097]

@@bigfudge2031when i play genji, deflecting the orb is exactly what i look for when targeting moira. i either end up healing myself to continue fighting her or i get a purple orb to kill her faster (plus dps passive incase i miss) it’s redundant, but still

[@AnitaHanjaabFR]

Tfw I got the bubble pop reference immediately

[@aggrogahu]

4:08 this makes sense as whenever Genji deflects a projectile, he effectively becomes the new owner of that projectile.

[@Yoyo235th]

4:48 confused by Kiriko's suzu: does this mean the suzu will first remove the dps debuff since it gives a full 80hp but without considering it a debuff so not 110hp? I would've expected suzu to only heal 64hp if the debuff was still in effect. Can you test if all healing after suzu does NOT get debuffed also?

[@giovannigonzalez9040]

Bump. Confused by this as well

[@toastiboi7618]

from what i understand, suzu clenses the dps passive but doesn't consider it a traditional debuff/negative effect like anti nade or burning (maybe it's because it's a passive or something idk) so if kiriko suzus someone affected by dps passive, it removes the passive, doesn't give bonus hp for removing a debuff, then all healing returns to normal on suzud heroes

[@noamkislovitch8775]

0:23 soldiers 76 icon 🤨

[@Porutake]

If they ever want to adjust how this passive works in the future, I had an idea that maybe it could be a 10% reduction that’s stackable so a double focused target ends up taking 20%… I have no idea how balanced that would feel but it could be fun to play with target focus incentives like that

[@shiloh3541]

I like this a lot

[@8UMadBro8]

I feel like the 20% is a little too strong as it is now, so I like this change!!

[@alainpavek693]

Personally I would make it ramp up/down based on damage, so you just don't swipe an entrire enemy team with Mei to get everyone debuffed, while heroes like Cassidy cannot do that.

[@ThomasDiesch]

to be honest the dps passive should be reworked right now. The Dps passive Deleted Tanks from the game right now. you cant play a non dive tank cause you get shred in 1 second as a TANK and this isnt even a joke. The Powercreep is just insane with this aswell, personaly they should have changed the damage in the game instead of giving more health to everyone and then lose on 20% healing.

[@nixtypikal]

@@alainpavek693This exactly. Heroes with less damage and fast fire rate would increase it in a linear fashion while those with higher damage and a slow fire rate would increase it in a burst. Then after a second of not taking damage from a DPS the effect would decrease back down to 0. If they do ever add an icon to show that you're affected by the passive they could add a bar next to it that fills up, that way both you and your supports know how much their healing is gonna be reduced.

[@hmbHealer]

Moira doesn’t “Lifesteal” per se, it’s a set 20HP per second and is not affected by damage amplifiers from allies nor damage reductions from enemies.

[@benblaylock4036]

Did ya know roadhog has a special voiceline if you stand on top of the car on circuit royal 1st spawn defending? He goes heh I’m on a car after you stand there for like 15 seconds. I think junkrat says something too but no other heroes say anything so I thought that was neat

[@MatRazer]

7:21 What about Cassidy's grenade? Since hinder is a negative effect

[@Rexcalibar]

Learning that Symm and Torb turret apply the passive is terrifying.

[@Star_Rattler]

Thanks again bro for making all this info super digestible and easy to understand!

[@feartheoni]

1:57 I just wanted to watch the video I didn't wanna retake algebra 😂

[@Sasha-jo4tw]

i know u failed that shit cause that was not algebra

[@feartheoni]

@@Sasha-jo4tw didn't mean to offend the dean of algebraic equations, my bad

[@tsoewoe]

Karq picking the most difficult ways to bust these myths instead of just setting up a simple workshop tool

[@bigfudge2031]

really surprised that Kiriko doesn't get the boosted healing for the suzu, but I guess that would just make her too strong.

[@justinmatthews3505]

If Reins ankle is in a shield but he can't see it, does his slam still work? Poor Flats 😢

[@edselpurba_]

5:29 Briggitay be slayin'

[@danieljohn4014]

That's how you say it in english

[@jonathasvieira6414]

1:08 that's probably because health packs also cleanse negative effects (although it doesn't cleanse anti-heal)

[@shanem8957]

Ana’s anti nade doesn’t reduce healing by 100% it makes it so you can’t be healed aka healing can’t touch you. Dps passive reduces healing by 20%. That’s why health kits can’t be picked up when hit by anti.

[@robingilmore3924]

only damage over time effects usually I'm pretty sure

[@dom.4705]

Is symmetra's shield self-heal passive affected by the dps 20% healing reduction? Her passive only regens shield health

[@StingrayOfficial]

They need to fix Echo copy. She is a DPS hero. EDIT: crying laughing right now at the Moira orb spaghetti code. Kind of embarrassing tbh.

[@qaisshihadah1319]

What about reapers lifesteal?? Is it reduced from the damage passive?

[@anglelife8429]

4:20

[@Golden_Zeke]

Man Frick the dps passive

[@zxkredo]

We need a visual indicator for having the debuff.

[@thedarkcranberry]

5:28 Bro really said Brig-eat-tays

[@danieljohn4014]

That's how you say it in english

[@jonathasvieira6414]

4:30 I think they should fix that, lifesteal abilities shouldn't be affected by the DPS passive in my opinion, these abilities just got a huge nerf this season for no reason

[@matoikazamaki9522]

Not only that but other self heal options. Ana's self nade to survive from a DPS feels almost useless now.

[@Gameplay_006]

Except Moira, she should stay nerfed

[@destructo3457]

@@matoikazamaki9522 It was still dumb to use it on you lol

[@ThomasDiesch]

to be honest the dps passive should be reworked in generall right now. The Dps passive Deleted Tanks from the game right now. you cant play a non dive tank cause you get shred in 1 second as a TANK That plays as a frontline like Rein/zarya and this isnt even a joke. I got one shottet in 0.5 seconds many times and thats not cause i runed in like a boon even playing around corners its hell.

[@grilledchezcity9556]

This helped a ton, thanks King

[@montymol3_467]

posted 2 mins ago king

[@grilledchezcity9556]

@@montymol3_467 hey, I've had a lot of questions about how it works, so I'm just trying to help boost engagement to show thanks for some answers

[@lukasg4807]

Does torb get healed by his turret damage when in cardiac overdrive? Same thing for other deployables.

[@slump8665]

yes, because they are considered "pets" so it's basically an extension of the character meaning you did the dmg meaning you get the lifesteal, just like hanzos dragon in the video

[@LukeKimmell]

I was walking my dog, watching this video with headphones, and the voice line @5:16 made me think someone behind me was yelling at myle

[@StormierNik]

The reason also why the health pack works normally, is because the Health Pack IS a Cleanse at the same time. Just like when you walk into a health pack after burning, you'll stop burning.

[@KeanuChrist]

Thank you KarQ for being a pinnacle in the Overwatch community, answering all the questions that we're all too lazy to look into.

[@prp3464]

That kumon math be kicking in with these calculations

[@danieljuntunen2320]

Does the new DPS passive reduce the +25HP instant healing by 20% in Brig's packs aswell? And does the new DPS passive reduce Rally healing too on allies even though it gives Overhealth?

[@redvixi3596]

i dont think the reduction applies overhealth, as its not really healing and just straight up adding hp to the current health pool

[@ossifiedtoad798]

Moira’s Biotic Grasp self-heal isn’t actually a lifesteal. It does a constant HPS if she’s dealing damage to an enemy hero, regardless of any damage modifiers. It’s affected by healing modifiers of course, but it’s not a true lifesteal like The Reaping.

[@hr.vasilev]

the way moira orb goes through lw platform, you can try genji deflecting rein's fs, same as the orb when bounce once it might go through.

[@HeWhoSoars.]

Gigantic is coming back on April 9th and I'm so ready to be done with OW

[@knavenformed9436]

I thought you were hard trolling but cool, I did have some fun with the game so it's nice it gets a new chance

[@HeWhoSoars.]

@knavenformed9436 not trolling in either sense thankfully!!! Hope to see you on Gigantic in April!

[@BLAZE12126]

If a player is nanoed or boosted by mercy, will their projectiles be damage buffed after deflected by genji?

[@atreyugantt5716]

Yes. Say you have a 100dmg fire strike with a 50% buff from nano. Genji is just deflecting a 150dmg projectile as if he were the one that fired it. He also adds any buffs he has to it. So say genji also has nano, he's now shooting back a 225 DMG projectile

[@disturbedwaffles6653]

Does Orisa's Fortify protect from all abilities that have a forced critical hit? We know it does for Mauga's Volatile Chaingun, but what about Overrun, Sombra's hacked Virus, or Reinhardt's Earthshatter direct hit?

[@ScurvySailor]

I wonder if you pick up a hacked health pack, do you get the 20% debuff? That technically counts as Sombra's heal, so it might work differently than an unhacked.

[@OfficerSnickerrs]

i was wondering a few things 1. if genji deflects mauga, does he get the crit damage once the target is on fire? 2. if genji is discorded and deflects, does he do the extra damage? 3. what is the most damage you can do with one ability in a realistic setting? like if you have a bap, mercy and another bap (echo copy) does the damage stock?

[@lyzder7298]

1. Yes, the crit mechanic is built into the projectile so he does get auto crits vs burning targets 2. No. Damage amplified from discord is applied when the damage is done 3. Multiple Mercy damage boost DON'T stack but multiple Bap windows DO stack, but the effect is applied once per window, so Genji deflecting it back won't trigger another boost

[@galev3955]

So DPS debuff doesn't affect healing from healthpacks. I wonder if that's because healthpacks cleanse the debuff (as they cleanse dot too).

[@exp2913]

Does the dps passive affects the Symmetras shield lifesteal?

[@toastiboi7618]

i think that syms lifesteal technically counts as healing on the scoreboard so i think it does

[@StefanoDraghi]

Projectile size changes mythbust: did non-damaging projectiles like sombra translocator also get affected by the increase in proj size?

[@norskbjorn8484]

Rein firestrike gets deleted if it collides with the petal platform at all, unlike regular walls where the collision hitbox is smaller than the damage hitbox

[@andrevieirahyurem287]

1:10 But does the health pack cleanse the effect? I.e., if the Soldier were to be healed by a Baptiste there, would he get 40 or 50 HP? 4:50 but does the suzu cleanse the effect?

[@justcallmexen]

For suzu, I am pretty sure it does. It healed for 80hp, not 64 (80% of 80) or 88 (80% of 110). The math is pointing to "it cleanses the healing defuff and then heals". Many others have asked about the health pack and KarQ responded yes.

[@andrevieirahyurem287]

@@justcallmexen thank you very much, I haven't seen the other answers

[@Yehoshua66]

QUESTION: Do supports get even extra healing after 5 seconds? Like do the two healing passives stack after the allotted time?

[@ToonNoah]

Does Ramattra's Ultimate go through Petal Platform? I swear I've died to it before while standing on top of the platform.

[@user-ov2fc5sd1e]

Blizzard does

[@ShaundaLeer]

That Ana one made me dizzy 😵‍💫

[@CROSSFADE69]

One question I have is does suzu cleanse the dps passive after it's initial impact?

[@sydneyc9]

4:46

[@CROSSFADE69]

@@sydneyc9 Just did some testing with some friends. The Suzu doesn't get any additional healing from the DPS passive however. After Suzu cleanses your Allies, it removes the DPS passive an any further healing is back to normal quicker, unless the said Target gets hit again by the DPS.

[@Omega-mf9kj]

Does orisa fortify block the dps passive?

[@toastiboi7618]

no

[@RiftWalker54]

When sigma Ults a half hp target can Maugas Cardiac overdrive DMG reduction keep them alive?

[@-NoNo.]

seeing temple of anubis brings me back. hopefully they rework those old 2cp maps into some other core competitive game mode

[@AzraeIX]

2CP is permanent in the arcade

[@cristianrocha9188]

Can Mei’s wall take you out of Zarya’s ult in OW2? I remember you could kind of in OW1.

[@vancecb4023]

so the way that the bounce of the moira orb goes through life weaves peddle. if you deflect a fire strike does it go thorugh it?

[@xdoubt4113]

Can you apply the DPS passive to multiple targets from one DPS? So your Sombra or Tracer with spread, and your bullets hit multiple enemies; will they all receive the debuff or just the last one shot?

[@notster7114]

In regards to the moira orb bug, if you throw the orb at the floor, will it bounce and penetrate the platform? or does it need to bounce specifically off of the platform twice for the bug to work?

[@Artayis]

Was the last thing always the case? I feel like you used to be able to block soldier heals with bubble but maybe it was just LOS.

[@squiky3712]

Question for Tank edition: Does Doomfist gets more hp when Ulting with the new healing passive that tanks get as well?

[@karahtar]

I know the dps passive doesn't affect health packs but do health packs remove the effect like they remove burning?

[@SerOtter]

Does the DPS passive apply to bob and torb’s turret (when trying to heal them)?

[@Pheminon1]

I wish I could enjoy the comp changes. The comp changes ARE SO GOOD But this meta with the dps passive is just AIDS... The only fun role is dps, tank is just awful to play as... Even when I'm winning I'm not having fun

[@GustavoPMartins]

Great research, thanks!

[@Federer227]

One that triggers me sometimes - Kiriko`s healing ofuda passing through Amp Matrix (Baptiste`s Ultimate) double the amount of healing per paper? Or it is just some audio bug when the paper pass though Bap window?

[@AbdulazizOla]

Yes, he answered that in kiriko’s myth-busters episode. It was like a year ago, but really good one imo

[@Official_Treins]

Does virus or emp apply the dps passive?

[@alainpavek693]

OFC any damage does.

[@Official_Treins]

@@alainpavek693 melee aswell?

[@slump8665]

​@@Official_Treinsyes its based on the dps character not what there doing, so literally anything

[@Umbreon_932]

Question: does the dps passive affect lifeweaver's tree of life?

[@nynave300]

yes

[@Umbreon_932]

Oh ok

[@alessandropiuzzo5644]

Can you make another settings guide please? It would be awesome

[@oscarfonseca4507]

Just saw a clip of Lifeweaver canceling Sigmas ult by placing tree or even his platform in the center of his ult This could be a good myth to verify

[@danieljohn4014]

it now no longer needs LOS so it even goes through walls

[@awesome-dp1oo]

Is torbs turret effected by the dps passive? (The hammer repair)

[@JoseGarcia-xy9pb]

Does placing a petal platform over a pulse bomb cover the explosion?

[@robbyg2490]

I would make it so DPS bullet hits have a new sound effect to indicate the debuff

[@flobot7086]

Curious if the DPS passive can be applied to multiple enemies at once by the same dps or if it will cancel early on target 1 if target 2 is damaged before the timer finishes. Also, if two DPS are damaging the same enemy does the debuff timer from the first attacker get cancelled out by the second? e.g Cass hits a target and then 1 second later Ashe hits the target. Will the debuff be applied for 3 seconds or 4 seconds?

[@slump8665]

yes a dps can apply it to multiple people at once. its not discord orb. that being said, the timer doesnt "stack" it reset with each most recent dps damage applied to the person, and it will keep resetting until the dps stops proc-ing it

[@allanlugo7842]

You get normal healing from health pack if debuffed, got it, but health packs also cleanse virus and fire, does they cleanse the passive? 🤔 i suppose mauga cardiac overdrive or reaper lifesteal also get the passive, right?

[@Doom_Hunter747]

You missed, Is Reaper's self healing passive affected by the 20% healing reduction passive?

[@gunnerdown]

So does morias ball pass through because it bounced off the platform or simply because it bounced, if you throw the ball at the floor instead of the platform would it go straight through?

[@Draze_999]

Does Mercy receive even less self healing (like -40%) while healing a teammate if they're both (mercy and her ally) under the -20% healing DPS passive ?

[@ovencake523]

how does the % healing buff from Sombra's hack on health packs combine with the dps passive? Are the percentages applied multiplicatively or additively?

[@lyzder7298]

Sombra doesn't apply any healing buff. Hacked health packs respawn faster and can't be used by enemies, but the healing remains the same

[@ovencake523]

@@lyzder7298 oh wait i thought they increased healing... damn learned something new

[@dmwanderer9454]

With BOB and the Healing Passive, it only kicks in when a player is no longer in combat, so you should've had BOB stop shooting after taking damage for the test

[@lyzder7298]

"No longer un combat" in this context just means not receiving damage. You can shoot all day but as long as you didn't receive damage in the last 5 seconds you will regen

[@fawnleif]

The dps passive needs to be adjusted a bit. As a support player I can see the health of my tank player constantly go down and take 5 and 1/2 years to go back up. If it could activate at like 20 dmg instead of 1 dmg that would be helpful. Or maybe they reduce it to 15% instead of 20%. I feel like I can’t play certain support heroes because then my tank will disappear from the game lol

[@robingilmore3924]

now more than ever it's important on support to do more than heal. enemies can't shoot your tank if they're dead or if you're applying enough pressure to make them back off or turn their attention to you. healbots will never make it out of silver now

[@JesseHallett]

Does fortify make Orisa immune to the DPS passive? And how about Zarya's bubbles? You can't heal a bubble, but if a DPS breaks the bubble does the passive apply after it's broken?

[@slump8665]

why would fortify affect the dps passive, when she fortifys can she not be discorded? yes the dps passive acts like other effects, to most degrees. and the zarya one is literally in the video

[@JesseHallett]

@@slump8665 D'oh! Thanks for pointing out the Zarya experiment. The logical case for fortify not preventing healing reduction makes sense; but sometimes the devs handle interactions in surprising ways. I'd appreciate a test to verify.

[@Aregulargameplayer]

I'm curious what kills you faster while under heals. The DPS passive vs Zenyatta orb.

[@slump8665]

orb is 25% dmg increase the passive is 20

[@peternaur3456]

Can you stick another person if they were killed by the impact damage of pulse bomb

[@enbytwink]

Does Widow's venom mine apply the dps passive? I know Ashe's dynamite does so I'd assume yes.

[@danielalexander6017]

Does a deflected firestrike go through petal platform?

[@WiSims]

Do HOTs (ie single moira hand spray) snapshot when applied? Do they keep healing 100% if applied to a target before the dps passive is applied or do they update with each buff/debuff application? I assume the latter bc of how biotic grenade works.

[@WiSims]

Do DOTs snapshot? Or do they update with each buff/debuff applied? (ie Does Ashe's dynamite dmg increase if discord is applied after?)

[@alainpavek693]

All DOTs and HOTs are dynamic.

[@WiSims]

@@alainpavek693 ty!

[@HopeIsADrug11037]

ive played moira for so long and im just learning she lifesteals with biotic grasp

[@h4tz]

Does the dps passive affect Junker Queens' self-healing from bleed? I feel like that would make a big impact if so

[@slump8665]

why wouldn't it

[@christianbishop1389]

Do you have a series where you break down the maths a bit slower?

[@wheezy9676]

do healthpacks cleanse dps passive?? i wonder since they cleanse ignite from dynamite and maugas gun. what i mean is will you get normal heals after getting a healthpack or -20%?

[@Re7ben]

If KZbin shuts down KarQ can always become a mathematician

[@Alex-iq2oz]

but does a reflected firestrike go through the petal platform?? and can you bounce an symbiotic orb off the ground first or does it have to hit the platform first for it to be bugged

[@Alex-iq2oz]

imma test this

[@DDricki]

0:22 HYUNA REFERENCE

[@Wenwin2046]

Does roadhog take a breather ability gets affected by the dps passive??

[@kapoiosdenjereispoios8222]

Idea for new Tank passive: they take 20% more healing and 20% less damage if there are 2 or more allies close by. This will reduce the feeling that tanks get that they melt instantly while also boost team synergy. And now with the new DPS passive, tanks and supports are begging for a new passive too!

[@Meese12]

Probably would need a lot of numerical tweaking but i do like this idea, it manages to buff frontliners like rein and mauga while not providing as much for the current top tier dive tanks like ball and doom Edit: after commenting i realize top players would definitely find a way to abuse it and make dive tanks even better and harder to kill but ladder play would definitely be more balanced.

[@strikeiksp6629]

thats insane tanks would never die

[@8UMadBro8]

That would definitely bring about a tank meta with some clear losers... it benefits brawlier tanks rather than dive... but also give ball his 5 minutes of fame here

[@ThomasDiesch]

@8UMadBro8 yeah this idea is hard to bring into the game right now but the point that frontline tanks like Zarya/Rein need some change to survive is right. You get one shot as tank right now if you show you without a corner in 1 second and thats not what a tank should be like.(and Personally who likes ball XD)

[@8UMadBro8]

@ThomasDiesch (rolls away after being an OG ball main) but yeah this patch caused a different set of problems, but I also don't want a game of pocket the unkillable tanks, that will also lead to a bunch of games being decided on the better tank alone. I think the dps passive should be lowered some, but I also wouldn't mind the tanks getting some more armor (live longer but get healed just as fast). The game definitely needs some fine tuning after these changes though

[@DEML91]

Does anyone know if dps passive applies to turrets, as in it reduces the healing Torb does when he is fixing the turret?

[@zxslayerzxz8532]

Does Bob, torb turret, sym turret and illri ult get life steal from mauga aoe?