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Overwatch 2 New Competitive System DID NOT CHANGE

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KPR56

KPR56

Күн бұрын

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@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Alright my dudes so I accidentally got consolation & expected wrong, both scores are reduced. So if you get consolation you'll lose less SR or rank score, & you'll gain less score if you get expected.
@choboibigly6565
@choboibigly6565 6 ай бұрын
Bit odd they gave the modifiers '>' and '
@BajaFlash
@BajaFlash 6 ай бұрын
Ive had a game where it was an uphill battle and win streak and I only got 22%, the new modifiers feel like they are there for show
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea I've gotten a few 15%-17% due to the matches being expected so it's my fault that it's taking me forever to get out of diamond again. I was also trying to say that this is just the same state the game launched comp out in the release of Overwatch 2. A lot of people were not ranked in the right places & I got put into diamond at launch so now I have to climb out once more.
@slimeshadetree13
@slimeshadetree13 6 ай бұрын
Been on a 17+ win streak and I get 44%+ each time.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Word I went on a 6 win streak & wasnt getting the win streak modifier, I was getting anywhere from 19%-26% progress in those games.
@nowinsertmemehere6403
@nowinsertmemehere6403 5 ай бұрын
Yea i keep getting mfs that either just dont pull their wheight or 1v5 the whole team and not knowing how to play any characters of their role AND I GOT DERANKED??!!?!
@KPR56
@KPR56 5 ай бұрын
Yea especially when the soft reset happened. I still get into matches like that but it's our fault for not playing better according to the system n some of the other content creators. They need to have your stats taken into account whether you win or lose meaning you won't get the same SR as everyone else but I think that would be more fair then what we have now.
@xFYLkillerx
@xFYLkillerx 6 ай бұрын
You could be the best in the lobby but if your team can’t help win then you’re ranking down lol, same as before tbh. No personal progression
@yungchimp
@yungchimp 6 ай бұрын
Valorant, League of legends, Apex Legends, Fortnite, CS GO, the most impactful thing on your rank in all of these competitive games is whether you win or lose why should it be any different in Overwatch.
@questionable_live
@questionable_live 6 ай бұрын
I'm really not sure what the argument here is like yes the system hasn't changed for the game I don't think they ever said they were changing how the game places you into matches they just said they were gonna add features to make it clearer what the matchmaker was actually doing. Also I feel like your complaining about a matchmaker that puts better or worse players in a lobby quite a lot but this will never get better almost every game has a system where they create lobbies with unfavored matchups. I'm not sure if you actually fully grasp how the matchmaker works or how matchmakers work in general, it will never just be automatically fair your never gonna get your exact copy on the other team. That is the whole concept behind elo in the first place and because you got the same rank means the matchmaker did it's job.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea I get what you're talking about but why should the person be punished for the system putting those kinds of lobbies & we dont know if it means between 1 tier or a whole rank difference, they still arent clear with the team placements. You will also be punished for over performing in your lobby since the game believed you were gonna win either ways.
@Savevade
@Savevade 6 ай бұрын
Just bring the sr system back with ranks on your name. I know they wont cause its toxic but COME ON
@questionable_live
@questionable_live 6 ай бұрын
@@Savevade The SR system is still in place you're just not given a visual indicator from the SR system that's the difference between the two ranked indicators. Elo = SR but elo is invisible in Overwatch 2.
@questionable_live
@questionable_live 6 ай бұрын
@@KPR56 Yeah that's the flaws and benefits to an ELO system you'll always get punished for losing a game that you were supposed to win and non rewarded for a game you were supposed to win. It was invented originally to prevent higher rated players in chess from dunking on super low rated players and gaining tons of ELO. I do however think getting a visual indicator of the skill level for lobby is a good change I know you didn't mention that in the video but it should be noted. I remember back in Overwatch 1 we got everyone's rank which was better because you could target certain players but I see why they chose this method to avoid that targeting. The system also has only been out for a little over a week and can be adjusted pretty easily to be better I think they have at least laid out a ground work to a good system because it does feel a bit similar to Valorant which a game I like playing ranked in.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
You do get a visual indicator of the lobby which can vary between 1 division & whole ranks but being a difference between 2-3 divisions should not have expected as a modifier. Those difference are so low that it's merely based on which team is more coordinated.
@charlietheebarker3234
@charlietheebarker3234 6 ай бұрын
You can choose to focus on anything in the game but your teammates aren't the only constant in all of them.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
If I'm playing tank I have to be a team player now since support is a pretty vital role rn so whatever team can dive the Zen (since hes meta) first then that team will most likely take the win. I play doom for the most part so I'm trying to keep their tanks attention but if I see that my support are being dived by dps then I have no choice but to push back & help them out.
@metalnep
@metalnep 6 ай бұрын
I can't even blame DPSing supports; blizzard has honoured the "support can do everything" fantasy since ow2's launch
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea DPSing as support is more important now since Zen & lucio are meta, also the "strong" healers are shafted by the new DPS passive so I dont blame them at all.
@metalnep
@metalnep 6 ай бұрын
@@KPR56 that sounds about right. I haven't been playing lately so I'm only used to the previous meta, but when I gave it a go recently I just wasn't having fun 😔
@cats198nz8
@cats198nz8 6 ай бұрын
dont think everyone got put gold 3 considering i went 8-2 and got silver 2
@SuperLifestream
@SuperLifestream 6 ай бұрын
everyone got put cloer to the median (plat 3ish). Bronze players were probably put up to gold 5. gm wouldnt be below diamond 5. So it depends on where you were to start. I ended Season 8 at plat 4, and i placed plat 4 this season
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea allegedly it was around gold 3 or 2 cuz that was the average for the player base which is why lobbies felt so unfair since on day 1 of season 9 there was a pretty good chance you were going up against masters n above.
@Sizzyl
@Sizzyl 6 ай бұрын
I was GM5 previous and my first game was diamond 5. Ended up placed diamond 1 after going 5-5, not sure how that worked.
@cats198nz8
@cats198nz8 6 ай бұрын
@@SuperLifestream i was silver 4 and went 8-2 and got silver 2 im calling mad bs on even any type of rank reset for me
@nickkiosk5513
@nickkiosk5513 6 ай бұрын
i lost everysingle one of my tank placements and got ranked diamond 5 and lost all my damage placements and got plat 2 something aint right
@sparquisdesade
@sparquisdesade 6 ай бұрын
I went 8/2 on my dmg and got bronze 5. I started a new acct an blasted thru 50 wins to do comp. Did my dos placement and got 5/5 and placed silver 5. Lol
@Morgaen_Rei
@Morgaen_Rei 6 ай бұрын
With you here buddy, I used to be a plat tank, now I'm stuck at gold
@Pleuros
@Pleuros 6 ай бұрын
Guessing you were masters/grandmaster as tank before and diamond as dps for that to happen mmr isn't the same as sr
@nickkiosk5513
@nickkiosk5513 6 ай бұрын
my highest was diamond 1@@Pleuros
@nickkiosk5513
@nickkiosk5513 6 ай бұрын
and they where supposed to wipe the ranks apparently so maybe they actually didnt?@@Pleuros
@draxnos506
@draxnos506 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, a lot of this has already been in play already. For the case of favored teams, if it’s setup right, it’s making favored matches because it’s testing how well it can predict the outcome based on sr, likely with people it thinks should be tweaked a little. This is to make sure it’s placing people correctly or so situations like plat/gold in the same game and an uneven sr average don’t have as much of an impact. In the case of prediction, if it’s correct, everyone gets tweaked, otherwise something’s wrong with the set.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea but why should you earn less if the game one you were gonna win, wouldnt that indicate you dont belong in that rank if you over performed in that level?
@draxnos506
@draxnos506 6 ай бұрын
@@KPR56 You’re gonna earn less because the outcome was predictable, meaning according to that set of variables (MMR) you’re in a good spot, at least for the purpose of that verification match. You earn more if you win when you weren’t supposed to because that’s someone being in the wrong rank in a match that should’ve been predictable.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yes but we do not know how much of a difference in rank you have to be to get expected, I was the lowest rank or part of it in the lobby yet I got expected, expected should have not worked in that instance.
@draxnos506
@draxnos506 6 ай бұрын
@@KPR56 The MMR system is constantly moving. Perhaps someone over there was moving fast and leveled out. Maybe someone on your team shot up fast and has a streak going still. There’s a lot that could potentially explain stuff like that.
@urbimisko8078
@urbimisko8078 6 ай бұрын
What do you mean there shouldn't be a system that favours one side to win. Every competitive game does that. Chess started it with its original elo system. And if you think the match maker should not have put you in a game where it thought one person has the advantage, well no game does that either because it's so hard to find 5 pairs of players with the exact same skill level fast. In ow it also needs to make sure they are the same role. There will always be some small difference where the game will think, oh this side had a better DPS, but the other side had way better support players so the second team has the advantage. I agree about the modifiers. I've only gotten an uphill battle even though I went on a 6 game win streak. Someone on Reddit said they got a win streak bonus but as their streak continued they lost it.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yes I know it's impossible to do that but it is possible to have people go against each other near the same rank, the problem comes in with the modifier called expected. You are punished for doing better than the enemy team since the game knew you were gonna win that. We also dont know how many tiers or ranks you have to be apart in order for that modifier to work against you.
@user-nb5hl3qd2m
@user-nb5hl3qd2m 6 ай бұрын
I had uphill battle, and was made to lose but won. And it only increased by 2-3%
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea you dont really gain much at times, I've gotten games where I've barely gotten any xp & others where I get 30+ the system is really inconsistent at times.
@bawlsaggg
@bawlsaggg 6 ай бұрын
what elo are you in to be getting only 3 percent?
@user-nb5hl3qd2m
@user-nb5hl3qd2m 6 ай бұрын
@@bawlsaggg masters
@godlygamer0828
@godlygamer0828 6 ай бұрын
Yeah man it's fun because it's fresh but the ranked system is still bad. Most of the modifiers just don't work and the never show up at all anyways so there is no point for them to exist. Great video though!!
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea I get that but the other problem is that they made us all gold 3 so the match up would definitely be super uneven & unfair at times. And thank you!
@marshmallow8709
@marshmallow8709 6 ай бұрын
the modifiers show up when your gain / loss is actually modified by them...? that is not how it works?
@questionable_live
@questionable_live 6 ай бұрын
@@KPR56 the rank reset didn't completely ignore elo that would be a hard reset. They soft reset everyone's rank to around gold 3 meaning you would get in bronze to diamond lobbies based on your elo.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yuh I was masters 2 in everything before the soft reset but got mostly into GM lobbies or people that were allegedly GMs, but I'm pretty sure elo & your rank are one in the same so yes everyone got set to gold 3 so matches were unfair during the 1st week.
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
@marshmallow8709 it doesnt always say if a modifier was present or not & win streak is still bugged & doesnt always work.
@jerdw69420
@jerdw69420 6 ай бұрын
I get like 20k heal and 8 Res. every match with mercy, still get into gold 3 after 8 wins and 2 losses
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea you're punished for over performing in overwatch 2 comp instead of accelerating your rank since you dont belong in certain lobbies. They see it as unfair & punish you for it. I dont know how much it punishes you for it but I got like only 15 score in one for expected.
@big_pneis
@big_pneis 6 ай бұрын
Had an issue where i played well in ranked but my rank aint movin. The issue i had was playin with my diamond freind and so the lobbies are diamond, even though i played well i wasnt ranking up since mystats were avarge of a diamond so i stayed in plat with the game thinking im avarage. The fix i found was playing solo queue and i saw my rank rose pretty quickly. P.s. i played tank so i have carry potential and since you played mercy i think it will be harder since it wont be as coordinated, i suggest switching and if this tip didn't work check your deaths may just be a positioning issue on your part
@asessiinoo
@asessiinoo 6 ай бұрын
they announced that we get a rank progress update after every game, getting modifiers and they announced a hard rank reset short before s9 started. and all that sums up to one thing: no one shouldve been surprised about how everything went cus thats what they said including the issues till everyone is back in their ranks. seems like you didnt get the informations and now you are surprised and complain about it
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yea you're right, I shouldn't complain about some of the positive modifiers not working & uphill battle barely adding any points to my progress. Then all the negative ones working as intended & ramping up rapidly at times.
@contract_kilo1340
@contract_kilo1340 6 ай бұрын
You win the game = win sr. You lose the game = lose sr. How is that bad and unfair ?
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Problem comes in with the modifiers, so if you over perform you're usually punished for it & gain less SR than you would if you did average for the lobby you were in.
@Thermalfusi0n
@Thermalfusi0n 6 ай бұрын
no changes in the world will suddenly make you good at the game
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
What?
@contract_kilo1340
@contract_kilo1340 6 ай бұрын
If the new system didn't make you gain 2 whole rank, well it's definitively not because that's the rank you're worth, it's just because the new rank system is as bad as before right ?
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
No, I'm saying the system did not change at all & most of these modifiers have most likely been present the entire time but never shown to us. In hindsight I should've probably waited a while to do placements since most GMs & top 500s did placements at launched so lobbies were really unfair. I'm also saying that the modifier expected is a dumb decision because if you over perform & "carry" games you will be punished for it & wont get too much SR.
@sorchara9119
@sorchara9119 6 ай бұрын
heres a lesser known secret about overwatch 2's new ranking system. a simple trick to climbing is that you have to win games. like man you open with complaints about people throwing games - how is blizzard supposed to fix that
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Positive modifiers arent also working properly so am I just suppose to ignore that issue?
@absgames9425
@absgames9425 6 ай бұрын
I won all my qualifiers, I got bronze 1.
@moorela8701
@moorela8701 6 ай бұрын
What rank were you before?
@gasoau
@gasoau 6 ай бұрын
@@moorela8701 Guessing bronze
@absgames9425
@absgames9425 6 ай бұрын
bronze 1@@moorela8701
@marshmallow8709
@marshmallow8709 6 ай бұрын
>"healers" opinion completely disregarded
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Yuh that's my fault I meant support, I dont mind a Zen, lucio, or dps bap as long as they're getting Lims, the problem comes in when they keep getting merked n feeding, happens to everyone tho.
@Matt-fu9bm
@Matt-fu9bm 6 ай бұрын
It feels much better and I ranked much higher I’m no longer hard stuck
@KPR56
@KPR56 6 ай бұрын
Well at least it benefited you
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