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[@justinsmeer9539]

I think another overlooked thing about why zen isn’t as good anymore is in comparison to the newer supports his hitbox is so easy to shoot, dude has the body of an aimlabs target.

[@tylerstrizich727]

ya seeing zen on the other team sparks joy because you now have a somewhat free pick most of the time

[@OryNce]

Some zen players have smooth movement and make him as difficult to shoot as kiri

[@omarsali2990]

​@@OryNceare you shooting 2km away?

[@Glizzyman]

​@@omarsali2990was gonna say that, idc how good a zen player movement is, a decent kiri is 10 times harder to hit

[@MonkeyBanjo7]

Yeah he has the hit box of Mondatta

[@RaRaRam910]

“Why have a glass cannon when you can have a fortified cannon” I absolutely died hearing this

[@haleypirio921]

I rarely hear support mains complaining, but I always hear people complaining about support mains complaining.

[@arthries]

Current season? Yeah, Support mains don't complain as often. Earlier seasons though? Constant yapping. I would know, I'm a Support main myself. Hog rework happened mainly because of Support players.

[@tau-5794]

What do they have to complain about? The game favors them right now so they want to keep things the way they are. They do in fact get super defensive when other players complain, but in their mind there isn't anything that needs changing, just a desire to maintain the status quo.

[@KianaKaslana366]

DPS players and support players swapped places on the big headed egos this season.

[@kallmeej9106]

I try not to look at comment sections anymore. Apparently the devs are "looking at" Ana nade because of all the whining

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@arthries Season one was especially bad because people weren't used to 5v5.

[@SugaFlurb]

Im with the counterswap guy, maybe its just because im a tank player but winning one team fight and then seeing horse/bastion/mei walk out is disgusting and happens even in qp tbh, i can understand one counterswap but once u get double or triple counterswapped the game just becomes ass, especially cuz nobody is counterpicking DPS except that one guy who goes widow to ego duel the guy who sniped him at the start of the round

[@Keldiur]

I agree with QP, but in Ranked either get better fighting those comps or switch yourself to win. Having fun is good and all but 90% of people in ranked are only having fun by winning. Competitive spirit and all that.

[@despicableorange1761]

Hey I'm the widow who swaps after getting bodied once! I then procede to bully that wido untill my team loses because I don't need to be on widow :)

[@Hoodini2253]

Yeah and plus we all know the “just have fun in qp” doesn’t matter, cuz you already the other team 90% of the time, are no lifes who don’t care about fun, EVEN IN QP. Well all know qp is as sweaty as ranked games. I get hard counterswapped no matter what I do in qp too

[@AlphaNinjaFTW1]

the thing is it's not really a team play , if you body three players there not gonna look at their tank swap and go, "oh I guess they got this", they going to make a decision for themselves to not get bodied

[@Melmel-2312]

I understand that in qp but im tired of being wipe by genji's 5 games in a row and noones doing anything about it.

[@officialregirock4021]

"then play qp", as if qp isn't (surprisingly) sweatier than comp

[@fabianreder9780]

The amount of Times I am playing with my friends for fun (playing genji) and getting counter swapped is crazy... That is 100% True and I hate it

[@TheDeptofKaos]

Came here for this. QP is fucking worse than comp. In comp people are out with the meta or their best played hero and are practically one tricking. I get ENTIRE FUCKING TEAMS swapping when I am having success with Wrecking Ball who is arguably one of the worst tanks in the game. I was keeping track...Record swap time to sombra when I was ball...4 seconds

[@JoshMustLive]

Sadly alot of people apparently don't get that, including flats. I love his content but the amount of times he uses "then play qp" or "just play qp" as an argument for people being sweaty is kinda baffling. I know he knows this game and it's player base how does he not notice that qp is almost always worse than comp

[@vajeeterskeeter9312]

Recently I've been counterswapped in almost every qp game I play lmao

[@angel__king]

The problem with counterpicking is when people do that shit in quickplay and then you’re trying to learn a character and your team then flames you for not counter counterswapping. Like it’s just gross

[@Mythy001]

there goes my tank experience.

[@angel__king]

@@Mythy001 it just creates a cycle of counterpicking and it’s just annoying

[@dillpickkle]

@@angel__kinghonestly one hundred percent just say no and if they why you say “because I’m having fun playing X” and if they flame you more just ignore it and play the best you can and have as much fun with your character as you can. Because yes they will probably get mad but at the end you can say you had more fun that match then likely anyone else. I learned that lesson awhile ago and have been enjoying ow a lot more since. I should mention this is a quick play thing which I assume you also mainly play, comp is different and I don’t play it sooooo.

[@Okina-Kev]

Yup running to the most disgusting team setups for just for killing them once. When you win just call them sweaty nerds and they’ll all just stay quiet. Its funny though in QP, most team loose and say nothing, they struggle so hard to win then its EZ or GGs like what?

[@nomblegull]

Consider not joining voice when you're playing quickplay

[@Merc_507]

5:35 the "that is because you're fucking silver" is so powerfull

[@insomniacnerd5592]

Support plays dodging responsibility.

[@3692Halo]

they got enough mobility abilities to do it.

[@realglutenfree]

I'm support main and I know that Kiri is op. I want her nerfed cause it's so fucking ez for me to just go on flanks all the time and kill the enemy ana in 2 second.

[@princeeurope002]

Hard cope

[@partystarter8041]

@@realglutenfreeI mean maybe the dev team shouldn’t give a character who does 120 dmg TWO get out of jail free cards.

[@incomplet1396]

@@princeeurope002 hes talking about you lil bro

[@SomewhatUnderstanding]

12:26 I see your point about just playing quick play but it happens there too lmao the amount of salty sym/Moira swaps cause I killed someone as genji is insane

[@Lh0000]

Someone who plays almost exclusively quickplay, yeeeep~ people counterpick in quickplay all the time. I’d even go so far as to say “just play quickplay” isn’t a valid argument for really anything anymore.

[@SkaiaSkull]

I think the current conversation regarding the viability and fun of the tank role needs to switch focus to resisting CC. The damage from a lot of heroes is insane, but boosting the raw damage and health numbers of tanks overall is only going to make the game unfun for everyone EXCEPT tanks. As a tank main myself (and from observing the frustrated gameplay of a lot of other tanks) I personally believe that the over abundance of CC is a main factor that is made worse by tanks being such a large and easy to focus target with minimal ways to counter much of it. It’s hard enough to engage with an Orisa as a Reinhardt already, but it’s made damn near impossible when the simple act of dropping your shield to swing or charge will almost always result in a boop, stun, discord, hinder, sleep, anti, slow, etc, let alone the very real possibility of being deleted outright by the surplus of damage. Immunity to CC would be absurd, obviously, but some sort of resistance (such as anti only reducing the healing you take instead outright denying it) would not only make the game more tolerable for us, but it would force the CC’ers to have to pick their targets more carefully.

[@AzureTD_]

while i think ur 100% correct id be better if they followed their own philosophy they had at launch when they said they were work on REMOVING most CC from the game entirely but ur right that tank needs some kind of buff to counteract the fact theyre massive and are easy to hit, higher heal pools just dont cut it when theyre 3x as easy to blast damage into

[@MAKS_557]

What’s CC

[@AzureTD_]

@@MAKS_557 it stands for crowd control, which are abilities that stop you from moving/ stop abilities from working, eg. Cass Nade, Sombra Hack, Orisa Spear

[@SkaiaSkull]

@@AzureTD_ To a point I think CC is (if not necessary) very useful for dealing with overly aggressive flankers in your backline like reaper and Sombra, but tanks are just too easy of a target and gets WAY too much value

[@nebulous9280]

I think Tank Players should get Debuff resist as well. Revert Zen's changes or make Discord a LITTLE more lenient, say, a 5 second lockout, and just make it so Tank Heroes only get affected by 50-70% of a debuff. So Ana Nade becomes a heal reduction, and not a full block. Discord only gives 12.5% damage increase. Mei only slows you by 20%. Hack's lockout only lasts for .75 seconds. You get the picture. You could play around with the numbers, but it would definitely alleviate some of the frustration that Tank players feel when they go against heroes like Ana and just get chain anti'd and slept.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Zen isn't picked much anymore because he's one of the only supports left who does not have a direct denial ability like Suzu, Grip, Lamp, Bash+Whip, Rez, etc. So many of the new / reworked support kits have denial abilities that retroactively nullify enemy value. Zen has to be proactive and get value before the enemy does -and it's plain simply easier to not have to do that with the other supports and just exist with higher generic base value. Only thing Zen really has going for him is his Discord or a full volley elim once a blue moon when your silver opponent stands afk to answer Tinder matches.

[@Jamessparrow8542]

Trans?

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Jamessparrow8542 Trans is not really valuable when simple abilities can do the same job or better on a cooldown. Too much of a tradeoff, unless you specifically need his discord and dmg output. Trans is good but its unreliable and too situational with high downtime.

[@Jamessparrow8542]

@@Real_MisterSirthat’s true but that’s not the point you made in the first comment

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Jamessparrow8542 I know. I deliberately didn't comment on trans because I didn't find it relevant. But then you brought it up so I figured it was fair to comment on that too, since I glossed over it initially.

[@GodsDissapointment]

Flats still dodging that price shop convo is funny as hell.

[@pisscogs]

hes talked about shop prices before. hes not dodging it hes sick of talking about it.

[@GodsDissapointment]

@Prizmahs he's never really talked about it, though. He just makes excuses for it and says the convos boring when he's in the good books of Blizzard and complains and entertains the talks about it when he's upset with Blizzard. He has never sat down and given a well thought out conversation and dialogue about the prices. He just flip flops based on his personal feelings.

[@marciedahomie4700]

​@GodsDissapointment Bro just doesn't really care. His job is dependent on this game and it's success. He's going to play it regardless of the shop prices

[@Ale-km3ux]

@@pisscogs nah, ever since 2 seasons ago when he got sponsored again by blizz he stopped talking about it and defending prices, he's probably been told to stop by blizz

[@Okina-Kev]

@@Ale-km3uxwait he’s currently sponsored by them? If so then im so correct about my weird feelings. Currently im like why does it seem like the vibe is to jump back into Blizzards lap again with him?

[@theblueone_14]

As an avid horse player… that first one is true. I get my blankie and favorite teddy bear and take a nice nap while holding the trigger

[@Randomness662]

That one part is SO TRUE though. You could be losing 0-3 with 1 minute left, and getting absolutely steam rolled, but the second you get a SINGLE pick they insta swap to counters. - Ball player

[@Real_MisterSir]

Ball players 🤝 Pharah Players Enemy team swapping to counters the moment they lay eyes on you / you get an elim

[@nikica0710]

There are heroes like Ball, Doom, Pharah, that will just roll you over and over again if you don't swap to counter them. You can't blame people to swap the second they see them...

[@danielgalbusera944]

Here’s the counter argument though Having the team swap to counter ball makes it unfun for 1 player Not countering ball makes it unfun for at least 5, maybe even 9 players if youre particularly dogshit at it So yes, relentlessly bullying ball players is the morally correct thing to do and better for the community at large

[@nikica0710]

@@danielgalbusera944 I would then argue that if you have fun playing only 1 hero, then OW is not the right game for you? By essence having 40 heroes with different abilities will create a rock/paper/scissors system (flying is strong against short range, mobility is strong against snipers, etc...). There's no way around it.

[@gl8862]

Because ball players are annoying

[@omarw007]

The counterpick dude is like yeah no genji wants to go in to beam players well then swap off genji

[@Sassaparilla]

Legitimate point for Souvenirs. The Pizza one with Roadhog's Eat This voiceline. If timed right, he reaches into his bag while saying "Eat". He then shows it to you saying "This". Then he cackles. Funniest shit.

[@wingedbluj1674]

Even funnier when the other guy hates pineapple pizza for no reason.😊

[@Sassaparilla]

@@wingedbluj1674 I'm the weirdo who likes uncooked pineapple on my pizza. Don't like most fruit when cooked.

[@mercrazzle]

I like lifting the Lion’s drink out as Rein and then as it pops into existence saying… “Beer!”

[@PugsleyThePear]

In Midtown attack spawn I always smash the pizza in the oven and offer up a refreshing slize of pineapple pizza

[@mikesuarez7539]

Double shield never left the game it just turned into Orisa.

[@PurpleMoon799]

tbf the argument of "its quickplay.." could also be used for "its qp.. why are you counterswapping?"

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

Not really. People mostly play quickplay for fun and counterswapping is the logical way, if you dont want sweating your ass off against an opponent.

[@sav88]

​@@derunfassbarebielecki eh if you feel the need to counter swap in qp you care too much about winning (which is a whole different debate on if you can have fun without winning).

[@josephpolk9660]

​@sav88 disagree. As a quick play Andy and when they have orisa bastion and you're reinhardt and you're not having fun why NOT swap? Counterswapping to a character that will actually let you play the game and have fun even if you lose is perfectly fine.

[@asonofliberty3662]

@@josephpolk9660LOL as if!! It’s 100% the other way around. They see the rein then switch orisa bastion.

[@josephpolk9660]

@asonofliberty3662 Yes, and I'm saying the rein swapping vs the orisa bastion so he can play the game and have fun is very reasonable and acceptable

[@TigerKirby215]

Last guy walked in with a ribeye steak and proceeded to throw it in the oven at two billion degrees. He could've cooked something amazing and he gave us charcoal.

[@Moehre040]

On the topic of Sombra: I think the new Sombra got a lot better at lower ranks, because it is easier to play, because you dont rely solely on aim (since Virus has a LOT bigger hitbox than your hitscan bullets). So the people thinking the rework was a buff are probably from ranks where Sombra was quite weak because you actually needed good aim. But at the top 500 level i'd say the rework is a nerf, just based on EMP alone, plus the fact that you can actually die as Sombra to something that isnt a oneshot instead of being able to escap like 90% of situation with a pre-placed translocator.

[@slyth0196]

I take counter swaps as a compliment - it means i was enough of an issue or ticked someone off enough to become their focus

[@pisscogs]

or you are easy to counter and would give them tons of value to do so.

[@slyth0196]

@Prizmahs Oh no, im fully aware. im more than atrocious at the game. My taking it as a compliment is an ego thing.

[@Okina-Kev]

@@pisscogs or they waste time feeding for kills on one person providing more value for the other team🥱

[@tylerstrizich727]

i main genji and honestly every game i play as genji if i pop off even once they will immediately swap at least to mei and if i pop off once more they go full counter genji comp which forces me to swap and yes i think that it is more or less a minor issue. swapping is a core part of overwatch but now the character i have put the time into so he can be my best character is a considerable throw pick every game i play and i now i cant even practice him in a competitive setting because of that

[@tau-5794]

Imagine if Genji's deflect gave him like a 50% DR to beams from the front, he'd be a lot more viable and countering him would be a lot less rock-paper-scissory.

[@allanturmaine5496]

"You need to swap to hitscan." Bro, you don't know how low the value from my aim is. I'm not gonna counter the Pharah any better.

[@Vo1dLight]

Fr, like I play qp with friends across the world, my ping is constantly 200+, My ass aint hittin SHIT.

[@Lh0000]

I remember a time relatively recently where I was literally the only one who could even HIT a pharah (was playing ana) I’m convinced the only reason I won that technically I only got her to retreat after a hit or two usually so good enough…. After basically mag dumping because my aim is shit sooo yeah I feel this

[@kingamhYT]

Ain't no way nobody is talking about the genji derank clip

[@zzac7433]

Playing as a junkrat, and immediately the enemy swaps to genji and diva every game

[@darthplagueis13]

Hot take: Counterswapping will never stop being an issue unless they either move back to 6v6 or completely rework a number of tank and dps kits. Heavy handed systemic changes do nothing to address the root of the issue: That certain characters simply don't have enough balanced match-ups, especially the high mobility ones. Characters like Doomfist have the inherent issue that you are either countering them or getting countered by them. Only either the Doomfist or you are allowed to have fun, but there's just not enough Doomfist match-ups where the fight is even, enjoyable and will be decided by pure skill. It's generally just "If I stay on Zarya, that Doom can basically run amok through my team uncontested, I better swap to someone with CC". It's no fun to run into a CC heavy comp as a character that relies on their mobility to work effectively, but it's just as bad to face a mobility character without CC.

[@isaacpinzon7719]

First one reminds me of a time when I was Orissa main. I've had some character development since then and now I'm with the Reinhardt chads

[@TheRealHypervizor]

Oh, Flat's doesn't know.. Quick Play is 4x sweatier than Comp. People will counterpick the entire match. I had a game like Monday where everyone on both teams swapped at least 2x. One of our DPS swapped 5x and the other teams Tank swapped 4x.. Again, this is in Quick Play.

[@randomguy019]

Honestly, it seems that deep down, players who play exclusively QP don't actually like playing Overwatch. They like aspects and want to love the game, but actually playing it is an exercise in pressure to perform and stress. Like he said it with the PVE comment: he doesn't want to deal with dedication to getting better at the game, dealing with shitheads shittalking, or internalize how all the mechanics work. He just wants to shoot things with his favorite characters and feel happy. As a fellow scrub, I sympathize a lot with his perspective, but also recognize that Overwatch might not be the game for him.

[@TheRealHypervizor]

@@randomguy019 As a quick play bandit, you’re spot on mostly. But the main reason I don’t play comp is due to inconsistent internet latency. My isp is terrible. If I’m going to ruin the experience for someone else, at least nothing is on the line.

[@silcoxjakob]

​@@TheRealHypervizorsweating in quick play is pathetic though

[@royceblack6752]

9:39 I highly recommend watching the recent stuff from Spilo about swapping. Mostly good takes and stuff to learn unless you're already doing pretty well. Regarding the TikTok though: Swapping is a skill expression as long as you're as good with the hero you would swap to. Also just knowing when and what to swap and apply an adequate playstyle to your new pick is a skill in my opinion

[@GBR6000]

The issue is that counter picking is so strong that you don't need to be very good to get massive value. Knowing what to swap to is simply memorisation of a flow chart not even a particularly complicated one.

[@Faceless_one_]

I would agree with this IF counterswapping in itself didn’t give more value then playing the hero you swapped to. If they walk out on doom and you swap Orisa let’s say. 1. You’re alreayd forcing the doom to play much more passively simply because you exist 2. Orisa herself isn’t that hard to utilize and get high value from. If you actually had to play the character you swapped to well to actually truly “counter” the enemy, then yes 100% because you can have more skillful interactions and outplay moments.

[@ascension0344]

Counter swapping isn’t skill, yes it takes skill to be good at most tanks, but picking a tank a dps or support with the idea that the swap gives you an inherent advantage just means you where getting bodied and needed an advantage to stand on equal ground. That’s all that counter swapping is. The person you are countering are playing better and at higher skill especially if 2-3 people counter swap the same hero. At that point it’s just “I’m sick and tired of this guy let’s make it impossible for them to have fun/get kills… it’s just bullying fr. Counter swaps need to leave overwatch. It’s not called SwapOverWatch. It’s not called advantagePicksOverWatch. It’s not called ImBadCounterswapOverwatch. Just get better overall.

[@ascension0344]

I’ve picked the game up and in 2 and half months I got diamond, I’m P1 on support and Tank and dps Diamond 4. . In 3 months. Without counter swapping every second I breath. GET BETTER PEOPLE ! PLAY AS A TEAM!

[@royceblack6752]

@@ascension0344 Lol you're way too mad about a video game. Touch grass, take a deep breath and come back once you calmed down. Otherwise I couldn't take you seriously. Pay attention to how reasonable the other comments were even if they were disagreeing

[@Zemilia22]

The problem with nerfing supports is nobody likes to play them when they bad. The vast majority of people also do not play them effectively so you cant balance around them being played to 100% effectiveness or they feel awful for the 85% of players who can't. If you push supports back into the less damage more healing playstyle the game becomes unfun for alot of support players why you might ask. Burst damage in the game is way to high for only having one tank, the vast majority of healing goes into the tanks why is that well most dps/supports either never die or get oneshot and there is rarely an inbetween unless you are actively already healing the target before the damage occurs. If you want supports to have to heal more and do less damage then you have to make people not instantly get deleted off the face of the planet, or add back 6v6 so there are two tanks to absorb/block incoming damage.

[@tau-5794]

Lucio I think is the ideal for how supports should be balanced, he doesn't feel weak but at the same time is not oppressive.

[@Zemilia22]

@@tau-5794 You can't really isolate a hero and call them balanced or broken. Lucio is one of the core parts of rush/brawl metas and when those happen he becomes strong, same can be said about brig she's underplayed right now but is exceptionally strong when picked in the right spot. Lucio is also a perfect example of a character whos balanced around top players utilization of the hero. On a polar opposite genji is balanced around lower ranked players because he is disproportionally harder to deal with in lower ranks and has to balanced around it.

[@tau-5794]

@Zemilia22 Lucio being essential to some types of comps just means he's an enabler support, not a carry support. He doesn't have a hitscan gun that does nearly as much damage as a Soldier, or have cooldown abilities that can completely negate the effect of most ults in the game. Most of the time it's just speedboost or his very mediocre healing. Maybe you get to sneak in some damage, get a lucky pick on an unfocused DPS, but you're not a constant source of teamfight-swinging healing or utility support. And that's fine, right now he's just "not as good" for the simple reason that Ana, Baptiste, Illari, and Kiriko are better than every other support.

[@David-dp8qt]

Counter picking is why I completely stopped playing tank I can't handle having to switch every time I die

[@NeonIcyWings]

7:54 Everything Flats says about anything is now null and void for eternity

[@slickadooie]

It feels so good to see new players evolving, even myself am “somewhat” new to overwatch, I played a bunch of overwatch 1 towards the end of its life, I’ve as diamond damage at the end of OW1 and it makes me so happy to see other new players learning and enjoying the game!❤️

[@jacobbaartz7710]

Alternatively, with the counterswap thing. Do players switch because they feel powerless, or that the counterplay is far harder than the baseline if the engagement? For example. When playing lucio, i struggle to deter doomfist whatsoever. I can outheal his damage on my backline maybe, but I then do not really get to play the game: - im deterred from shooting him - Boop is ineffective - he outsustains my damage - he outmaneuvers my damage - he easily gets the attention of at least two players at ease - he still gets the opportunity to outburst my peel - if the team aids in peel weve then committed to far harder counterplay than the doomfist's engagement Now i totally understand doom into sombra counterswap sucks. But like, if i swap to kiri, or brig even, and my outplay isnt even "now i get the kill", the counterplay is "i (or my 2nd support) get to survive, maybe", is this bs counterswapping? Then following this. How do we solve it for these super polarizing characters like doom, who want to be able to "play the game" where playing the game entitles them to so much more gratification?

[@TheCorruptionKing]

3:20 Lifeweaver's pull is also good for getting your respawned mates up to the rest of the team fight

[@ayumumaelstrom2029]

“Then play QP”….hate to break it to you, but even in QP most of the time the enemy team will all swap to counter the tank and make them miserable anyways. Happens on PS at least. Can’t ever play Winston, Rein or Doom more than 1 team fight

[@Truly_Yoru]

People hard counter in quick play, flats takes are hit or miss sometimes but still got love for bro

[@pryo_immortal1834]

either way it doesnt matter sombra still is really good at her job which is stopping the supports she can do it so well to completly deactivate one of your supports for half the match cause nobody has game chat on and nobody looks at pings of the sombra IN OUR FUCKING SPAWN WAITING FOR ME

[@garygary117]

I feel like the argument of "play qp if you wanna relax" just doesnt work. Youll still be flamed either gamemode.

[@jamesgomez3455]

I remember arguing with my friends when blizzard said “counterswapping will not be a thing in OW2” and I said that isn’t not possible, different things just naturally counter things

[@Chaddledee]

It's not even just that - they dropped a tank and made the other tank even more pivotal to the team. Usually in OW1 you'd have 2 tanks that cover a lot of bases in terms of CC, offensive and defensive abilities, such that there's no one character you can swap to to counter both of them. You wouldn't have a whole team countering you unless you were popping off way harder than your other tank. In OW2, the tanks have the same match ups but now everyone can swap to a counter for that one tank, and when that tank goes down it's a much bigger deal because there's only one of the role and they're more powerful than they were in OW1. They made counterswapping actively worse in OW2. This isn't even mentioning that with the introduction of Kiriko they've added another hard counter. Ana's nade was already a hard counter for a lot of characters. What did they do to balance it? Bring out a character with hard counter to nade. Great. I think the problem really is that the heroes powers are way too individual. If a couple of heroes had cleanse, and a couple of heroes had anti, then it wouldn't be nearly as big a problem. The win wouldn't hang nearly as much on swapping to a very specific character. Stick cleanse on Orisa's fortify. Stick it on Rammatra's transform. Make Soldier's health pack make anti expire double as fast. Give Widow's trap anti. Give Cassidy's flashbang anti. All of a sudden games look way more dynamic.

[@ghostyshawty527]

hot take (in my opinion based of lobbies ive gotten): qp is more competitive and sweaty than comp. like id rather play comp where its more balanced but jesus the queue times for solo support are so long

[@josh6689]

I love the new sombra so much she's so much better and fun and is actually able to do damage before having to dip. Before it was hack shoot a couple bullets and then instantly dip. As a support main she's easy to counter if you are aware. The second you hear hack start turn round ana anti or sleep, Kiri jump or kunai, brig put up shield or just swing etc I usually swap to counter my dumb teammates or tank who pushes way too hard without his DPS and dies

[@paytonyoder1260]

7:55 Shop prices are set in a way to get you to spend more money. If it was $25 then you would only spend $25. Since it’s $26 you need to spend $25 plus more, don’t have a $1 option in the shop and now it’s suddenly $30 that you pay but you have $4 of virtual money left over.

[@Lh0000]

Which is a pretty big problem honestly

[@nilayrao9752]

when it comes to counterswapping, i had a plat dps game where i wanted to play some genji, first fight i get 2 kills. they come back with zarya moira, mei and sombra....it rly should not be that deep

[@georgejohny4800]

So, I am qutie new to this game and I usually played as zen, bap or moira but due to sombra and reaper I thought of giving brig a try. Now, being a zen player, I didn't go to the front and usually would get rolled from the back by a sombra or any flanking character. Zen can probably win against a 2 v 1, probably being so provided the 2 people I am going against have shitty aim. Today, was the first day I payed as brig, and my team died it was just me and mercy. So, I walked in to the point just to see what will happen. So it was a 4 v 2 (the mercy was boosting me) and realistically, the fight should have looked like something straight from a PH video. But bro, Brig doesn't die. I won the 4 v 2. And boy was I flabbergasted.

[@Lh0000]

Character in overwatch 2 are either literally immortal or made of tissue paper, with no inbetween. It’s kinda wack

[@georgejohny4800]

@@Lh0000 exactly! It's either just getting melted or a raidboss

[@demetriosadamakakis7224]

the hat guy 9:39 is literally filming in his garage...

[@nikomint4894]

I swear to got flats is the only overwatch streamer with valid opinions

[@BloopTheNoop]

Counterswapping is giving up your dignity, especially when I destroy you anyways

[@nuclearsimian3281]

3:53 "OW2 players are evolving right before our eyes!" Meanwhile, underneath the top comment, the next one from Ibis: "You should use damage orb as your primary orb." This OW player is evolving backwards before our eyes.

[@megaing1322]

"Like feeding a neutron star to a baby" xD

[@PandoloFox]

I duo with a genji from time to time, and the minute we do the nano blade and win a team fight the whole team swaps to deal with the genji. Console overwatch is fun like that.

[@JoshMustLive]

I love how everytime someone mentions anything that is unfun or anyway says anything about people being too sweaty or competitive flats immediate response is "then play qp" as if that shit doesnt bappen there too and sometimes its even worse 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@donut358]

I think a possible solution to the counter swap problem is limiting the number of times a team can swap or the frequency at which swaps can happen, like maybe you only get 1 per minute so you have to carefully consider what your swap will be or you only get 3-5 per game or 2 per role or something

[@arrwen0885]

You could also put a cool down on swapping

[@acativ9]

i agree. thats actually what i had in mind. i didnt wanna completely scrap off the idea of hero swapping because thats what made overwatch overwatch. but whenever i play tank, i swear i struggle alot.

[@josewolf9884]

IMO just lower the damage of tankbuster heroes (Bastion, Mei, Reaper), or even question on the first place if we really need tankbuster heroes on a game with only 1 tank.

[@MarmotLord182]

or could just add another tank

[@josewolf9884]

@@MarmotLord182 another tank is just another layer of CC, so no thanks

[@brunofrusa]

The prices are indeed disgusting.

[@randomguy019]

The guy in the last vid is suffering from scrub mentality, and I say this with no intention to mock. I'm just as much of a scrub, and bad at Overwatch. Just enough self awareness to understand where my thoughts are coming from. I believe, fundamentally, that a lot of players who exclusively play QP or even Arcade don't actually like playing Overwatch, no matter what else they like about the game.. They don't want to devote time to improving skills or understanding the game in a wholistic fashion. They just want to play with their favorite heroes and feel an endorphin rush. The stress and pressure to perform in ranked is too much, so they go to modes where, ostensibly, there shouldn't be those kinds of feelings. Those feelings get in the way of fun and playing their favorite heroes. So, when someone plays the game to its fullest potential, which is not wrong, it forces these other players to confront the feelings they thought were excluaive to ranked. His whole speech there is his way of saying, "Stop forcing me to engage with Overwatch in a way I don’t want to" in a way that has to be taken seriously. And at the end if the day, it kinda reveals that Overwatch, fundamentally, may not be a game for him.

[@Notllamalord]

Any good support you meet (who isn’t totally delusional) understands that they do more damage than dps but because they have to split their attention between healing and damaging they end up with less dmg then dps

[@kallmeej9106]

Source?

[@atagen2186]

mans never watched an awkward tutorial

[@thelividdeads]

" It's a Competitive FPS You're losing me " Any video about people putting effort into QP ," It's Just QP Don't even bother " Bro STILL cannot make up his mind

[@havok4432]

I feel that.....5 and 0 droppped almost 2 full tiers

[@kinglucc6303]

Alot of people don't think kiriko is good for anything but if you really think about it, she should just be removed from the game. Her cleanse and or to can be used to get in and out of fight, along with util in general, her knives do way too much damage, her healing can heal a tank to full in like 2 clicks. It is sad that they removed the boop feature from suzu, we all know suzu is used as a boop...

[@paytonyoder1260]

Why is Kiriko headshot damage being compared to a Genji ult swing? Why is it said like that’s the strongest thing a dps has? Junkrat deals more than Genji ult swing with every shot, it’s not even a headshot either. Doesn’t Bap deal more damage with a headshot burst than Kiriko does?

[@livedcoffee1719]

At 1st I thought the Sombra rework was bad because I thought it decreased her interactivity even more with her new ability dealing damage over time. The more I ran into her tho the more I got used to reacting to being hacked and countering. So now I just think the insane thing abt her is her uptime, but she's absolutely balanced

[@merry_whatever]

Tbh there is one instance where counterswapping is cowardly. If we're both the same tank and both doing pretty good and then u counterswap??? I thought we had something going 😔 now I feel betrayed

[@dapsychokilla]

i hate how the overton window has shifted in regards to counterswapping so much that we're now at the point people are berating people for saying counterswapping isnt skillful. does truly no one remember when blizz said they were going to reduce the prevalence of counterswapping in ow2? now its worse than it ever was

[@drakez4560]

Just a thought on counter swapping, why not limit the amount of swaps you can do per half? Like 3 for tanks, they are a solo role after all, and 2 for each dps and support, and then it resets after the half, that keeps counter swapping in the game, but actually makes you think about what you pick and how often you counter swap, because at least imo, counter swapping just makes the game sooooooo tedious after a few games, and its the only reason why I'm not even playing right now, because someone has a good game, and the entire enemy team swaps to just counter that one person, over and over and over and over again, and it's just boring, and the game feels more like whack-a-mole than overwatch at that point.

[@SeySenpai]

i play kiriko as my main and i can very much agree she does way too much damage lol

[@joshyjoshyjoshy]

imo they shouldn't touch the damage, they should do something else with her survivability or suzu or something since the two tap is such an important part of her and without the two tap the increased headshot damage would barely mean anything, i wouldn't mind a suzu nerf or health or hitbox nerf or projectile hitbox nerf, just anything other than the damage, even if they lowered her health to 175 or something i'd still prefer that, having less health would make more sense anyways since shes small like tracer widow and baby dva

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@joshyjoshyjoshy After they did the hitbox nerf for Illari's damage I think this could be a decent fix for the kunai damage. Although yes I think the damage needs to stay the same. They should just make Kiri players work a bit harder for it

[@Guntfarm]

u know Flats is smoking that content creator blizzard partnership when he just ignores any talk about the pricing

[@Syn741]

the most frustrating things as a support player you see, your DPS 1v5, your TANK 1v5, your tank push on his own and wonders why there isn't heals, Your whole team is pushing forward and getting harassed from the back, but you as a support player have to keep their HP up while you get shot from the back but for god knows what reason they refuse to turn their head so all support dies, and the whole team dies.

[@lance8467]

HOT TAKE!!!! Replace genji’s pool noodle with a fire poker 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@notevennero]

thing is tho even in quickplay people do the counterswapping ooga booga its too sweaty even if u want to play casually

[@Lh0000]

Sombra isn’t BROKEN, or OP, but she is one of the heroes that’s just… insufferable to deal with, full silence basically for free is extremely annoying, (and in my opinion a full silence on a cooldown has no place in a game based around heroes and their abilities just in general) and yes she will get one kill on you almost guaranteed unless your like the most paranoid person on the planet, BUT… if you already know sombra is around, and thus are being more cautious she dramatically drops off in effectiveness (as almost all “stealth” characters do in games like these, see: spy tf2 as a pretty good example, man has a literal instakill and is still fairly balanced) so no I don’t think she’s OP, per say, just not fun to deal with.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

Things can be balanced and still be unfun. Anti heal, Suzu, Lamp, mei wall, invis just to name a few. It sucks to play against even if its not broken.

[@BuffGenji]

12:20 my plat lobbies disagree lol. Very common to see 3 counters after 1 or 2 team fights

[@sonderbain]

Id say counter swapping happens the most of any rank in plat

[@BuffGenji]

@@sonderbainyup lol

[@Br41Nl3T]

the overall point of counterswapping is not skillful is correct with that being said, what in the actual fuck was he saying

[@CROSSFADE69]

The Video Title Killed Me XD

[@vincentsantangelo3920]

flats argument that "If you want to play casual and have fun play QP" the problem is theres sweaty counterswap tryhards in like at least half of QP games. "Just play QP" is not a good response

[@Lh0000]

I like flats a lot, but yeah he is just objectively wrong on the QP stuff.

[@RuneRaged]

Honestly, I enjoy playing Zen for Support even if he ain't that great I've tried the other supports and for some reason (and it's a me thing no one elses) I just don't enjoy playing them

[@kaelkirkby9191]

You're not alone my brother. ZEN SUPERIORITY!!

[@goliathus8815]

i played a game of quick play yesterday as rein and got 2 kills in the first team fight, then they immediately swapped bastion mei lifeweaver and anna, thankfully their tank was chill and stayed reinhardt. but they just rolled me for the rest of the game, and i got flamed for not swapping... IN QUICK PLAY! and the same thing happened the day before when i tried to play genji. i got 2 kills with dragonblade in the second team fight and the swapped lifeweaver kiriko. and the worst part is you cant even leave quick play games anymore so i was forced to just afk in spawn till the game ended. and everyone always says to just swap and counter them but i am specifically playing quick play because i want to play this hero. i haven't been able to play genji since before overwatch 2 released. looking at my career profile you would have no idea i am an experienced genji main because i simply can't play him. they really need to come up with a way to discourage counter swapping. like maybe if you swap more than once in 2 minutes you get locked into your current hero, or if you swap more than 2 times in a match then you get no exp for the match. ESPECIALLY in quick play, i don't mind the counter swapping in comp but when im playing quickplay it's because i want to play a specific hero like rein or genji. maybe even make swapping disabled in quick play, it sounds extreme but i'm honestly sick of getting hard countered every single game, to the point that i actually don't want to play anymore.

[@AvatarKid4]

New sombra is broken with hack who cares about emp

[@AzureTD_]

imo i think the devs should be trying their absolute best to remove almost all counterswapping from the game, it adds no skill to the game and its not fun for anyone involved i get if you lose 3 team fights in a row, with ur team being rolled in all 3 immediately, but to people who counterswap on EVERY. SINGLE. DEATH. theres a special spot in hell waiting for you make it so you can only play a certain amount of heroes from the class you picked, introduce hero bans or figure out some way to stop counterswapping all together, because even tho flats said "just play qp" everyone and their mother knows, including him, that its just as sweaty and toxic than ranked is, if not MORE sweaty than ranked is

[@queenbeebuzz5075]

new sombra has a great kit but i think her virus damage should take longer to tick down or be for less because heros like widow are impossible to play on a perma 75 health

[@sebastian114]

Virus is a total 110 damage. 10 impact 100 tick damage. Its very good if you can hack the target but in all honesty. Its REALLY hard to actually get off kills even with virus hack combo if the enemy team has good support, too many of them can just nullify that ability almost instantly. Most supports crush Sombra 1v1. And Widow well sad to say it but time to swap if the sombra wants to hunt you, Thats coming from D.va/Widow/Sombra main. Any dps is weak to Sombra but even so each fight sombra takes is usually a risk if she can secure a kill and get out or die. She is a walking class cannon kinda.

[@queenbeebuzz5075]

@@sebastian114 I just swap cass and two tap her but i love playing widow and its really difficult to get any practice when every game has a sombra 😐 I can out play her in very specific situations but if theres more than one route to me im a dead spider. Venom mine and grapples cool downs are so long I cant reposition as quickly as id need to, to counter her. Even if I turn as soon as I hear her I cant charge a shot to kill before the combined damage kills me. And good luck having a support that pays attention to the sniper especially since i usually sit behind them to protect them from her anyways. in the grand scheme its better for a sombra to dive me and we loose a dps than for her to go for the supports but it makes for frustrating game play

[@strikerheadshot7215]

(12:15) that's because you don't play genji enough ;-; i stg, as a genji main, that exact scenario happens. usually it starts with tank swapping zarya or dps swapping sym/mei then the entire team follows lmfao

[@tbagger5211]

lol I’ll go Moira

[@strikerheadshot7215]

@@tbagger5211 moira's aren't that bad to go against tbh. It's the brigs that are scare lmao

[@tbagger5211]

@@strikerheadshot7215 lol mace to the face lol

[@NA-jn5jv]

That first Tiktok was FELT

[@WillHuizenga]

Since you said kirikos feet are her weakness shes been much easier to duel. Thanks for the tip.

[@kingamhYT]

Ain't no way nobody is talking about the genji derank clip

[@theatlantean8036]

People that constantly complain about supports are peoppe that want support to be a free kill. Change my mind.

[@omarsali2990]

They already got one to become a free kill But I do have to admit some of them are really too good for the game

[@Plague_xyz]

5-0 on genji is crazyyyy. Well time to nerf him...

[@Hjs2010]

See even though kirikos headshot does more than a sword… overreach devs will reduce it more and give him more ammo which no one asked for

[@rambi8250]

Counter swapping as a tank is like playing to rounds of rock paper scissors and ending up as orisa

[@Sycoway]

The instant genji counter swaps actually be happening😂

[@XeoraAMV]

I have a friend who I play with who's a near genji one trick I play dva and doom so I end up forcing out his counters easily so every game it's just vs genji dva counters

[@serabi_]

these tiktokers need to understand that hitboxes were made for a reason. kiriko is the counter to snipers. without her hitbox that just doesn't exist. nerf her headshot damage and that doesn't exist. nerf her health and that doesn't exist. not to mention kiriko has not even been a problem for the past few seasons. i understand bap or ana, but nerfing the average characters makes the meta way more important to play

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

That man came out SWINGING on Support Mains. Honestly, I like playing Support characters in these types of games, so I entirely respect his kamikaze run upon them.

[@molyneuxproject]

I agree, as a support main I'll admit he's right. Kiri is op, so they need to make her hitbox a little bigger or her health down to 150-175 and Kiri is my main. The damage is rewarding but there should be something in place to make it related to how much you're healing so you don't get perma flank kiri

[@chrism6880]

When I hear people cry about counter swapping, especially to the extent that dude was, I just assume they actually dont like Overwatch

[@astroshepherd8272]

Yeah, Zen's purpose is to press "shift", press "e", and pepper the enemy (I main zen(kinda)) (talking about the video talking about how Kiri is good) (Edit) counterswapping isn't skill because if you have to get the uperhand to win... It explains itself

[@tigerfalco]

12:17 must be nice up there in GM, in Gold-Diamond and even sometime Masters I've seen and experienced that. Genji killed the supp one time and now theyre Brig/Moira after dying once. Genji got 2 kills, of my god get Zarya. He's playing around it, get Sym/Mei, he can't play around us all forever.

[@Warriorcat_Youtube]

Souvenirs are literally just to pad the battle pass

[@questionable_live]

Okay so for the counter swapping argument have you ever considered I don't like playing characters into other characters and instead play a character that I just feel comfortable with in that moment it's not that deep. Why would I wanna sacrifice my fun for your fun.

[@a13m34]

The more arguments against counterswapping I hear the more I think it's not THAT big of a deal tbh

[@bigmemeog8221]

Honestly seeing a guy get 5 wins in a row with genji and deranking makes me think genji needs a nerf

[@tobiasbayer4866]

"If you dont like counterswapping go play quickplay" Yeah because noone counterswapps in quickplay... Quickplay is imo sometimes even more toxic than comp. Because there people dont care about winning, but they will care about ruining your fun and stomping you with counterpicks if they feel like you are doing to well.

[@HoodieProduction]

OW2 is essentially a 5 vs 5 rock-paper-scissors game where we decide which tank gets punished and which one gets enabled. The concept of "hard counters" and "tank busters" has always made the game shit, even in OW1.

[@hadouradiance3566]

See i dont mind counter swapping in comp. Its competitive, you play to win. But quickplay, which is the mode i play since I'm a casual, its so disgusting. I play Doom for any game and get any amount of kills and inevitably that fucking horse will walk out of spawn. It's vile.