Overwhelming evidence against Trump dulls benefits of Supreme Court gift ruling in immunity case

Kristy Greenberg, former federal prosecutor, talks with Alex Wagner about why the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity is not likely to get Donald Trump out of his convictions in his New York criminal trial, and why even the federal election subversion case is likely to still move ahead despite the best efforts of Supreme Court conservatives to contort the law to assist Trump.
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#SupremeCourt #Trump #immunity

[@yugdnuosfaed]

He was not president in 2016 so it could not be official business

[@Indicted_We_Stand]

That would mean the statute of limitations ran out. Oops! These trials are a farce.

[@billewilde1]

All you have to realize is that Trump was convicted of a crime for writing a check(tradeable paper)... but it would NOT have been a crime if he had paid cash(tradeable paper.)

[@arjaygee]

Some of the records were falsified while he was POTUS. But, writing checks from your personal and trust accounts and cooking your private company's books cannot possibly be construed as official acts.

[@KevinVogrin]

Fake News and Misinformation. Please flag comment.

[@robertslaughter7044]

Ok then: the Statue of Limitations has expired!... The real problem is that evidence, from when he was the President, was used against him, and that is illegal... So now he deserves a completely new Trial... Of course this law is ad hoc and ex post facto. Not to mention undefinable, and solely Political... Trying to prevent one's political opponents from running for office is a classic Marxist Ethos and all very Stalin-like.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

Why isn't anyone talking about the newly released Epstein papers?

[@JerryS-zb2lf]

they will be tomorrow, trumps already apparently got another charge on the way to fight in court from it too.

[@user-lf2jw1mn3k]

That's what I want to know!

[@KathySparkle1]

Yes, on many other channels.

[@juliankirk1008]

Yes, yes, yes... can only imagine what Epstiens mates got up to with him..

[@reresimone4300]

no idea they were. do they mention the crook?

[@user-mx4hw6pe3q]

Imagine a lawless government. Save our democracy.

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

You seriously don’t even need to vote, and neither should any other clueless minion that says “save our democracy”! We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC! Take a Civics class! 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@robertslaughter7044]

​@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468... We are a Constitutionally Limited Democratic Republic. We are a Democracy because we Vote for our leaders. We are also a Republic because we also vote for Representatives to represent us. Our government is Constitutionally Limited as to what they can do to "We the People." ... So YES America is a Democracy, and much much more.

[@EyeOfStormProductions]

simply put! Can't have both...

[@samuelsey4046]

It is lawless now. You don't even know what's happening in your country.

[@escribed2575]

​@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 if it isn't the cognitive declined speaking. We all must Vote to ensure we get rid of the Conald fungus💙💙💙

[@zackschooley5858]

It doesn’t matter how overwhelming the evidence against Trump When the courts are corrupt

[@johntechwriter]

There is a higher authority: Congress. In particular the House of Representatives. If the Dems capture the White House and Congress in November, they can work together to pass new legislation that removes the traitors from SCOTUS and rebuilds it from the ground up.

[@pokey5736]

Drain the swamp from the top down.

[@lovetheobscurities]

agreed. if the courts were'nt so corrupt, that POS would be in jail.

[@geowen57]

So, is the court corrupt because of the conviction or because of a belief that he is not guilty?

[@debquandt1072]

@@geowen57 it’s not belief it’s the actual the way they went about it changing laws and limitations,so does that mean we should go back and charge Clinton with his deeds with woman while he was in the White House? Most politicians have paid millions in bush money! Adam Schiff paid a family for the harm he did to that family !

[@boppin_bennie]

There is no way you can consider Jan 6 an "official act" !

[@reason6835]

They didn’t.

[@swimminginthoughts]

Him telling people to be peaceful and go home? I was terrified when he said that!

[@Robert-fs6ge]

​@@swimminginthoughtsI know scary

[@johnmadison3472]

@@swimminginthoughts Sure! After doing NOTHING for 3 hours. Witnesses reported he was cheering the insurrection while IGNORING pleas to stop it. Great leadership, huh?

[@vincentjohnflorio]

@@swimminginthoughts Were you terrified because of everything he said before and after? I can't tell if you're being dishonest or uninformed. I am so exhausted trying to tell which is which. In either case, you're wrong. Just admit it. You can still feel how you want, vote how you want, but please just admit the sky is blue.

[@the_skajakwdr950]

Why would crime committed by someone prior to being president, fall under any interpretation of presidential immunity, even if you say president has absolute immunity. Why delay?

[@jasonralston6610]

It will be a mistrial so its delayed long enough for Donald to toss everything away with the exception of the rest of the stolen docs he never returns to the archives. I can tell you; everyone is missing the reality show because there watching the smoke and mirrors, he has already figured out how not to lose again. Once he is back in the White House, he makes it all go away with his private intelligent offices that will be doing Homeland and CIA work, while the government workers get sidelined from the State Department to the Pentagon. This is the reality show. All the prosecutors should have offered to cut a deal for not being the president. Now Joe Biden has a brain in his head, he will ensure Trump never gets in the White House by using the very power they just afforded Trump he takes over. MR PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, CAN YOU HEAR ME., PARDON YOUR SON and deal with Trump before his plan comes to full fruition!

[@gointothedogs4634]

Because he doesn't want the conviction thrown out.

[@gregorylevesque3410]

Lock him up NOW!

[@TeeJayDeluxe]

Shocking! The hand of oligarchs is all over this!

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

Obama should have faced justice for murdering all those Americans in Syria. The Supreme Court just saved him from a one-way trip to the Electric chair.

[@IronskullGM]

The Oligarchs are on the left. I mean when is the last time a fortune 500 company, corporate media, Hollywood, big retail, big banks, Ivy League, or the military industrial complex disagreed with the Democrats?

[@danstokes5937]

hahahaha

[@IronskullGM]

Funny you think those on the right are the oligarchs lol... I bet an Ivy League professor or corporate media told you that LOL

[@brokenoutline]

Big buzz word nice. So the current presidents son sitting on the board of foreign gas boards getting paid 80,000 a month with no skill is that also oligarch behavior asking for a friend. 😂

[@josephblake4135]

How many crimminal crimes does one individual commit before he is imprisoned? Mind boggling.

[@Gods1andonly]

​​@@gigg252525 Why wait - do it now! Additionally, Impeach and imprison the fraudulent unethical FIVE SC Justices for fraud, taking gifts as bribes and violating their Oath! With his new powers, President Biden could bypass the House and Senate votes under Articles of Impeachment!

[@josedeleon1424]

Pregúntaselo a los Clinton,a los Bush, a los Obama y pregúntale por el cocinero ahogado en su residencia , o pregúntales a los baiden . Etcétera

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

@@gigg252525 Obama should have faced justice for murdering all those Americans in Syria. The Supreme Court just saved him from a one-way trip to the Electric chair.

[@selftaopath]

TTJS rules in the U.S..

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

@@selftaopath Obama killed Americans with drones. He walked.

[@patrickclancy8645]

If it doesn't deal with the nation's interest, it's not an official act!

[@user-hn7wt9uv9y]

it also happened before he was president so it shouldn't be affected

[@amelliamendel2227]

National security is everything, literally

[@sachung]

The worst SCOTUS ever!

[@loue-black]

The GOP ones are Corrupt Trump Puppets

[@menkros1]

Scotus during slavery wasn't cool either

[@tomwyrsch9271]

They are criminals. Traitors to their oath and the constitution

[@lutzfilor8253]

He is not a smooth criminal. He is an organized crime leader. Time to remove him from public office.

[@notfallingforit-e2v]

Just repeat Russia Russia Russia!! Maybe your treasonous lies will come true if you just scream loud enough.

[@DKing-sc3nt]

@@lutzfilor8253 , You must be talking about the Biden Crime Family

[@JohnDoe-pk2hs]

​@@DKing-sc3ntfake news

[@ivanasimic2072]

they are deep state

[@davidbrown8763]

...and jail him for life...

[@Jah-Sun808]

He wasn't even the President yet..right?

[@lottasunshine1325]

That's what I was thinking. However, I guess he continued to commit fraud after he took office. I honestly don't understand why he gets away with all of his crimes. Now that the Supreme Court has made an unconstitutional ruling, he might never serve time or even go to trial. It's sickening.

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

That's false. The charges were all for payments made to his attorney in February 2017 and after.

[@itsoktobehappy461]

@@KevinSmith-gu7fbExactly, and over 50 people liked that comment. Thats how uninformed and dumb people are.

[@StevenJames-mc2yi]

​@@KevinSmith-gu7fbbot

[@stevenholub3446]

No it was during the 2016 election, but dude, I'm not sure how presidential immunity even factors in here, but that's just it, it's doesn't matter man. He doesn't need immunity for this case to not survive appeal. They couldn't cleary articulate a crime, I'm exhausted from explaining it, like if you respond for information on what happened in the court room I'll tell you, but you'll understand why this wasn't a real thing, this entire thing was done knowing it won't survive it. It was just to try to do what they acused Trump of doing, election Interferance. I'm not just saying that either, there is real irnoy here. You understand that's what was supposed to be the kicker to make this whole thing illegals right? Because the NDA wasn't the supposed crime, it was falsifying a business document, and that the payment to his attorney wasn't a legal expense, it was supposedly election Interferance, sound silly. Yeah I know. Considering there was witness testimony explaining how an nda isn't illegal.

[@matthew3136]

Treason is never an official act!

[@TheRedneckprepper]

NOTHING TREASON ABOUT SELLING LAND , SRUPID ~

[@stevenholub3446]

Dude, look up the definition of treason and come back ok. Wrong word that makes 0 sense here.

[@keith5711]

What act of "treason" did he commit?

[@sierrawander7108]

​​@@stevenholub3446come back when you're not a fascist

[@simonstech]

its doesn't matter. its this SCOTUS who gets to decide. Treason will be immune, but if Biden issued an illegal order for free healthcare for all, that would not. US Democracy is dead. Right now it is. It's just going to take time to flesh itself out, but this is the way it is.

[@angusg220]

Applying law retrospectively is VERY dangerous indeed. I am not an American. However, history has always demonstrated that bad law is overturned. Might not happen immediately, but bad law is eventually cancelled.

[@totostamopo]

Thanks for your insightful comment. I guess the devastating thing for me is that this is more fundamental than "bad law". In America, we don't have kings. Full stop. No one is above the law and this is the entire point of the country. The idea that a president can be prosecuted criminally is actually written into the impeachment clause. So respectfully, this just goes beyond "bad law". What can I call it exactly? I don't know, treason is one that springs to mind. I find the idea of a former president arguing that he has immunity to " assassinate a rival using seal team 6" in front of the Supreme Court of the land disqualifying from the office in and of itself. But that's just me- average American. What do I know? All I can do is VOTE. And I will. And millions of me will and then what? Because dollars to donuts the claim will be made that the vote was rigged. Now my fate is in the hands of now King Biden. What will he do when they begin flooding the courts with challenges? What will they do when 45 goes on rerunning the old hits from last time? "Frankly, we did win this election". THAT was the moment this all began- with one frightened, ugly man who LOST. He will loose again even if democrats run an actual donkey. Now, with a king, what will happen? Will Biden step aside and hand said kingship to an actual psychotic narcissist bent on staying out of jail and punishing anyone who isn't a straight up sycophant? My lord we need to call upon the wisdom of our founders, dig into our better angels and ACT with boldness and love of country right now. It's what I might call grim.

[@elaineisabelle427]

Vote 💙 to put an end to this insanity.

[@fivestring65ify]

This occurred BEFORE he was elected. Therefore, he has no immunity concerning this case.

[@b.t.2795sGrandma]

What happened before the election?

[@josephj7908]

You guys are reaching desperately 🤣🤣😭😂😂😭

[@markstothard630]

Some of the evidence presented during the trial occurred after he was elected and indeed in the White House, but it's not of enough significance that it would change the verdict IMO.

[@microtyger]

​@@josephj7908Just being Real

[@reason6835]

I haven’t seen a Democrat meltdown like this since the Dairy Queen caught fire.

[@jonathanlanglois2742]

As far as I care, if its criminal, its not part of a president's official duty, meaning that none of the ruling from the Supreme Court should apply. Of course, given their track record, I don't expect them to apply it that way.

[@robertslaughter7044]

Evidence from whilst Trump was President was admitted as evidence. Therefore the only possible cure is to have a new trial... All of you alt-left Blue Cult Wackos need to get a grip. Donald Trump is not a criminal, because this entire case is invalid.

[@pokey5736]

The SCOTUS 6 are in cahoots with the Heritage Foundation. What else would we expect.

[@christinacody8653]

The only weakness of that is that the ruling obscures the documents that would identify that official act. A perfect example of that would be the Nixon Tapes would be obscured. Without that audio, would the country have responded the same?

[@jimj3031]

I am sick of "officials" telling me what I saw, heard, or know! I use my eyes, ears and brain and I know what I have seen, heard and thought! I plan to vote BLUE and hope others will do the same as I know they have eyes, ears and brains they have also used to make their own decisions! GOD SAVE AMERICA.

[@cecileroy557]

@@christinacody8653 BUT - on those tapes were conversations of him master-mining the Watergate break-in -- SO... the tapes WOULD be able to be used.

[@ramonabehan4177]

WHAT is going to take this piece of human waste down? WHAT?!

[@judithsmith9582]

I kept flushing and flushing and flushing...I have to flush like maybe ten or fifteen times!

[@ramonabehan4177]

@@judithsmith9582 haha! and still he floats to the top

[@davidbrown8763]

HERE IS HOW: LET US MAKE THIS DISGUSTING LAW BACKFIRE ON TRUMP, HIS CULT FOLLOWERS AND THE SUPREME COURT.. President Joe Biden may not want the power, but he has been given it - and is now virtually a King. I believe he has a duty of care to use that power for the safety of the Free World. Ironically, in their attempts to corruptly protect Trump, the US Supreme Court have made Biden into a king and, before it is too late, he should use his new kingly powers to save us from a dreadful dictator. Clearly it would be nice if somebody had the power to prevent Hitler from becoming the dictator that he became and used that power, despite being reluctant to. Here are a few suggestions: (1). Perhaps he could hasten the outstanding trials of Trump's alleged criminality? (2) Perhaps he could reform the Supreme Court by replacing the six judges that allegedly put decent law abiding people in danger by their attempts to appoint Trump as a future king? (3) Perhaps he could put any corrupt judges on trial for betraying people's reliance and trust in the Law to protect them? (4). Perhaps he could put any corrupt judges on trial for potentially endangering the safety of the entire Free World? (5). Perhaps he could put Donald J Trump and his collaborators on trial for alleged treason?

[@MarkJones-n]

How can ANY person of good will defend this cartoon former president?

[@susanholm6019]

We are watching closely as either America stands true to our Constitution or if we have lost sight of itself.

[@wrelensmash]

MAGA 2024 M AYBE A FFORD G ROCERIES A GAIN

[@VoteForWomensRights]

@@susanholm6019 scotus is already trying to tear up the constitution. It’s time we stand up for our independence or lose it.

[@moonshoes11]

@@wrelensmash If you can’t afford groceries, maybe get a job.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

Your Country lost sight of itself when Trump was elected. Even if you didn't like Hilary, not recognising what a conman Trump was is unforgivable.

[@st4331]

@@wrelensmash It's stunning that people who can't afford groceries support a man who massively increases the national debt to enrich himself and other rich people, all at the expense of the poor. No wonder Trump loves stupid people.

[@nwcigotbetter2001]

Goodness. America supreme court is a joke

[@brandon3525]

how are they a joke?

[@katehall9812]

… is dominated by 6 criminals." There fixed it.

[@swimminginthoughts]

​@@brandon3525Because we're Democrats and we expect nothing but fascism from them and when they uphold the Constitution like this it makes us angry!

[@billrobbins5874]

Corrupted by the dark money?

[@KristaCarrington]

You know I can see your last few comments. Enjoy your gift card. It won't interfere with your disability payments.

[@joedanache7970]

If you have lots of MONEY, POWER, and INFLUENCE you can get away with just about anything.Especially if you have lots of $$$$.

[@polarbearsrus6980]

They are being prosecuted...Only one cure, blue tsunami!!!

[@lucyarias7493]

This is the nub of the issue: Trump has laid claim to being sent by God to make America Great Again, yet he's broken so many of GOD'S LAWS it's simply appalling, A VERY IMPORTANT ONE BEING, "THOU SHALL NOT MAKE A FALSE IDOL OUT OF GOLD, (MONEY)" yet that's EXACTLY what he's been doing ALL his life and communicating with his behavior, not only to our nation, but to the entire world as the TRUTH denying the fact that ALL the money anyone can ever amass couldn't CREATE an entire COSMOS out of anyhing other than LOVE!!! ✝️❤️🙏🧏

[@Not_MindlessAndGullibleAlways]

Sad but true.

[@Projectmayhem82]

In this case it's influence "MAGA", court might be afraid of another Jan 6 or they are MAGA supporters 🤔

[@CircusOfValues-BH486]

It's not completely true. Bernie Madoff, Leona Hemsley, John DuPont. You can SAY most rich people get away with most things, but not all.

[@Tigerys-SweetPea]

A law change after conviction does not, in no uncertain terms, warrant a retroactive change in conviction.

[@tonyfisher6533]

Lincoln called America the last and best hope of `mankind. Time is running out.

[@tamjac10]

Lincoln was a republican at a different time when the party was nothing like it is now.

[@Saaahdood]

Funny that, last hope might be russia.

[@Saaahdood]

​@@tamjac10I mean, nothing has changed. Democrats getting all uppity again

[@user-hw5pd1mv9b]

And Lincoln destroyed the founder's republic.

[@Saaahdood]

@@tamjac10 democrats trying to overthrow the republic? Seems identical

[@eddieinflight1]

I don't get it. Evidence is evidence.

[@swimminginthoughts]

I agree and the evidence that Biden has dementia is overwhelming.

[@mnn1265]

Not in America, they don't care that he's a criminal they want him to lead their insurrection and bring religion back into government.

[@fredmore8788]

Not if it's bad evidence...

[@Z3nHolEminD]

Marilyn Manson : Evidence

[@vincentjohnflorio]

@@fredmore8788 Actually, evidence is evidence whether it's bad or not. Bad evidence is evidence that is bad. That's sort of the point. Evidence is not interchangeable with 'fact.'

[@Theodore-nq8yc]

Donald Trump should not have no business to be a president in the 1st place

[@HughHoffman-ni2ht]

Another delay tactic, I wish they would quit screwing around an get trump in prison

[@jjschereriv]

Nobody can say they (SCOTUS) aren't doing their best to create a legal 'protective force field' around him. . . Terrifying.

[@nmk-s]

Hand of the King

[@milliecunningham4935]

Absolutely, those conservative Judges are Liars, Corrupt, and make a mockery of the highest Court! I'm ashamed for our Country!

[@katehall9812]

Criminal. Infuriating. i'm still not scared. MeidasTouchNetwork's "LegalAF" & "MissTrial" + Ben & bros is the place for picking apart SCrOTUS⁶'s decisions. It remains to be seen how long the kingship stands, with & without (Joy Reid's) "King's Hand(s)" on their bench.

[@jamesrutter4100]

They are party to his cult. Evangelical Christian nationalism has infested the supreme Court and the Republican party. They know they are massively outnumbered by the liberals and Democrats so they are doing everything possible to cheat thier way into power over the majority that no longer wants to put up with thier lies and abuses.

[@stephenwatts985]

I believe it's called interpretation of the constitution.

[@swhaht6807]

Duh - laws are not retroactive! If you ran a red light last week and they change the intersection this week, it does not change your actions last week.

[@shiobhan8648]

Makes sense to me, but a lawyer on the channel said, it does not work like that, they have to rescore it… thus Supreme Court gets what it’s corruption needs

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

When the top lawmakers are in on it you can forget having any recourse for their poor and dangerous decisions.

[@marka5069]

Supreme court has taken away what congress passed years ago.

[@soiree8146]

I don’t know about that. It has changed much more than 33,000 times for Every Wicked Establishment. USA News Media Outlets, Judges, Senators etc… Republicans, Democ-rats, Liberals etc… ALL POLITICAL PARTIES AND THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE PURGED FROM WICKEDNESS! TRUMP 2024 AND FOREVERMORE!!!

[@anubis7457]

The argument they're making is that the law never applied to the president's official acts, and that they're now "clarifying" that. It's obviously ahistorical, as Nixon was clearly about to be charged for Watergate, but got pardoned by the following president (WHICH IF HE GOT PARDONED MEANS HE WAS DEFINITELY IN LEGAL TROUBLE). But it doesn't matter, they're going to make whatever conclusion they want to exonerate Trump, then argue backwards to justify it.

[@gwendolynsankey4049]

These new justices in the Supreme Court. Does not work for the people anymore.😢

[@zeusmanlord1602]

I hope that Trump fails to squirm out of trouble and that he is punished for his crimes!

[@CidYoung-REALTOR]

Trumps guilt is overwhelming

[@swimminginthoughts]

So is Biden's dementia.

[@JuanGonzalez-wz9go]

Is that what your handlers told you. Very lame

[@Lee-n6z]

YOU'RE A BOT... Y'ALL I HAVE SSEN THE SAME ONE AND SAME COMMENT EVERYWHERE BY THIS BOT!! IGNORE THIS COMMENT!!! GO JOE!!!

[@jeremiahmatthewgreatmanofpeace]

No it's not.

[@MichaelWinter-ss6lx]

Thats just another one of his crimes: blinding the dull minded.

[@cowtownokla]

Quite frankly I don't think many people understand how dire this situation is. This is much bigger than Trump. When the highest court in the land turns against its own citizens in favor of autocracy, you are on the brink of revolution/civil war. At that point America's foreign adversaries will jump in the fight and it will be worse than anyone living today can imagine. The current administration must take immediate action, while they still have the upper hand, to resolve the crisis we face.

[@swimminginthoughts]

You watch WAY too much propaganda.

[@ericramirez4733]

I absolutely agree. I don't think we can begin to think of a war amongst ourselves, and who would aggregate foreign aid? Would different countries side with different political parties?! If so, we may be facing a much larger invasion than just illegal immigrants and migrants...

[@elek_]

How specifically does this scotus ruling violate the constitution? Presidents had immunity for a while and it consistently has been supported by scotus

[@lindawalters1836]

​@@swimminginthoughtsWe don't watch the right wing liars.

[@lindawalters1836]

Not in the commission of a crime.​@@elek_

[@graceleal3910]

This immunity thing active even retroactively is disturbing. If the Supreme Court would've been on the ball, then why didn't they object early on?

[@user-bo6mu8ij3t]

Vote blue n save America and our rights.

[@shirleybrown4663]

Ok👏🏾👏🏾

[@brandon3525]

what rights did you lose?

[@user-bo6mu8ij3t]

@shirleybrown4663 project 2025 is real n if Trump wins America will change for worst.🥵😭😭😭😭😭

[@gck81096]

@@brandon3525 stop being smart Aleck.

[@Riclmnopp]

@@user-bo6mu8ij3t you still going with that “project 2025” Hoax? That’s hilarious. Trump never agreed with that, but I understand that you guys have to make up hoax’s to try help.

[@amadagongora2666]

What happened to the saying ,,,NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW,,, DOES THAT ONLY APPLY TO TRUMP,, COME ON ,,, he's a traitor 😮😢

[@MichaelA-ym8tx]

GOP voter base loves traitors, because for some demonic reason they can't get rid of him. If this was any normal candidate there would be backlash so huge that even attempt to spin it wouldn't work. Trump is in a different league where his "I'm a really smart guy" act somehow translates to total immunity to everything, while actually being dumb as rock. Make it make sense.

[@JS-rr4rf]

Here's the reality, they all lied. Absolutely wrong!

[@justindull-kh8gt]

Do you even understand politics? Like how it works? Democrats vs Republicans?

[@lordsixxx6113]

@@justindull-kh8gt Do you know what law and order is?

[@realcoolbreeze]

Zero legal charges. Immaturity of Democrats only who believe this make believe lie. Only the clowns actually believe this. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@darkrebel7302]

Since when does the SCOTUS has the role of writing laws?

[@scotsmanofnewengland7713]

3 1/2 yrs later and a TRAITOR walks among us !!! LOCK HIM UP NOW !!!

[@richietattersall2122]

NOT A CHANCE! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being the President of the United States.

[@MarshallLore]

what will you do if Trump wins the popular vote too?

[@thomasb.2699]

Good one!!! 😂😂😂😂😂​@@MarshallLore

[@christophertsiliacos8958]

@@MarshallLore Celebrate! Yippee! ☺ Then we can all sing in one unified voice: From now on Happy days are here again /The skies above are clear again/ So let's sing a song of cheer again /Happy times, happy nights Happy days are here again. 🎤🎶 TRUMP 2024! ❤

[@MarshallLore]

@@thomasb.2699 whats so funny? Of coirse he's set to win the electoral college easily but he's ahead several points ahead in the popular vote too. What will you do?

[@michaelthompson9548]

​@@MarshallLorehe's never done that.. won't ever..

[@glennkennedy441]

LOCK HIM UP ALREADY !

[@swimminginthoughts]

I know, or else he's going to win the election and we'll have a great economy, secure borders, and peace again!

[@fletcherreed3259]

Don’t, don’t😂😂😂-camela hairy

[@madeinamerica2531]

So you can have a Democrat Dictator and Dementia patient?

[@lynnhughes6350]

No ..lock Hillary up

[@gigg252525]

*seal team 6 Stand by and stand back. If Biden loses president office. He'll have 2 months while in office to send the team in to trump and the 6 judges' *

[@1111Greek]

Trump for prison 2024!!!!

[@michaelruggiero9065]

Only Congress can make laws

[@bobbyarthur-yf3yf]

No he is still as guilty as he has always been .. don’t delay don’t fear the corrupt

[@TheRedneckprepper]

guilty of selling property ? stupid no victim no crime !

[@ItsNumber84]

Good thing we use juries to determine guilt instead of this KZbin comment.

[@niwotmom8419]

​@@TheRedneckprepperMAGOT BOT, fake account.

[@jasonbarnett7747]

*FUN FACT:* Trump was facing 10 years in prison for Trump University.

[@b.t.2795sGrandma]

Did you get your money back?

[@josephj7908]

Democrats are desperately reaching 😂😂

[@jasonbarnett7747]

@@b.t.2795sGrandma I'm not stupid enough to give money to a fake billionaire.

[@jasonbarnett7747]

@@b.t.2795sGrandma I went to a real university and got my degree.

[@b.t.2795sGrandma]

@@jasonbarnett7747 Two back to back responses tells a different story. You’re triggered. Who hurt you?

[@geoffreyhhill]

Except it’s the supreme court, and they will write their own rules as they go along

[@ericmccarty9656]

No one is above the law. Being unable to accept defeat, and attempting to remain in power, is the cornerstone of this political system, Conviction and imprisonment are required.

[@markgrubb4828]

This is far from over. He will be sentenced. His trials will continue. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that the general public will not see just yet. Karma is coming for him soon!

[@linegrant4605]

💯👍

[@dinasours2522]

Yeah .karma. Is coming..FOR DONALD TRUMP❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@amandamarcus9819]

Don't let this tyrant win. Get the corruption out of our system and get rid of the judges too

[@notastone4832]

you are disrespecting the president elect :) cope harder

[@lynetteprice8519]

@@notastone4832 better watch out..he'll come after you if you say anything critical. Dictator, tyrant, autocrat is what he is.

[@cherpiette4216]

Are we living in a nightmare? Has our democracy been nullified?

[@amitisshahbanu5642]

The ups and downs are frustrating and the news media is always jumping on stuff. Hang in there; try ignoring the news for a few days.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

Yes, it has.

[@m.b5777]

Haha you have been brainwashed by the media

[@brandon3525]

end of democracy... Trumps a dictator... blah blah blah. is your hair on fire?

[@swimminginthoughts]

​@@amitisshahbanu5642Or, maybe they should just stop watching this propaganda.

[@robp9995]

It’s all so depressing. The rich and powerful get away with it all. The other 99% of us have to play by “the rules”

[@richardsnell2348]

Simple question: how can an act which is illegal in the terms of the law the President was sworn to uphold be defined as a Presidential Act? Surely that by definition would be a personally advantageous act carried out in defiance of his Presidential oath and therefore prosecutable.

[@juliannichols-wilson8215]

Please go away Trump. 😢

[@b.t.2795sGrandma]

🎻

[@MSNBCult]

I love how Trump has affected so many liberals mental health for 9+ years since 2015 up to the present day. 😆

[@dodgygoose3054]

@@MSNBCult There's something seriously mental wrong with you.

[@swimminginthoughts]

​@@MSNBCultAs a Democrat I think about him a lot.

[@LisaAnnValentine]

ITS HYSTERICAL 🤣 ​@@MSNBCult

[@elisaan725]

Protecting Trump and others like him is disgusting.

[@lucyculinescu8848]

True... but this is what happens, and it's really unfortunate that nothing can be done now... it looks like the right extremists won the battle... they have too many judges nominated by them, who are answering to them....

[@kigman1980]

You’re being lied to, it’s ok to admit it once and a while.

[@fpiedade9451]

Unsolved Mysteries on 2020 Elections are DISGUSTING !

[@stevenholub3446]

Read above man, you want to know ehat actually happened in the court room, or are you just here to be a hater, and Trump hater

[@chodkowski01]

It’s called the law and Trump’s rights were violated.

[@FranklinWilson-ev9dq]

YEAH! TO BAD, HE LEFT SO MUCH EVIDENCE, WHY IT CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

What part of a hush money case is considered official? Give me a break

[@robinbell7394]

The supreme court needs to be fired!!

[@iaclassic]

They may be impeached soon.

[@AlexReynard]

"I know better than the most respected judges in the country how to apply the law."

[@CollinTee]

Impeach the 6 MAGA supreme judges.

[@wrelensmash]

MAGA 2024 M AYBE A FFORD G ROCERIES A GAIN

[@ricksimon9867]

Yes! Strong emotions! And now go into the streets and protest until it happens! ... no? Not gonna do that? That's because Americans - just - don't - care.

[@jimjim2822]

Ha ha… I guess we shall see. The American judiciary system is such a joke… a sad joke.

[@2stoves1]

The illegitimate STOLEN Supreme Court is CORRUPT. Nothing could undermine America faster. Sad that Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP ushered in this bold corruption. Corrupt. Illegitimate. Partisan. This Court will go down in history as a ln utter disgrace. Congrats John Roberts, your legacy will be a sewer.

[@PAULGKOLYVAS]

Get as many honest legal scholars onto formulating how to impeach scotus quickly , effectively and then how to reverse this abomination .

[@appads]

The ruling itself is unconstitutional. Judges aren't supposed to make laws, they are supposed to interpret them.

[@glenn3646]

Only the "people themself" can save America when voting come's, nobody else

[@SueFerreira75]

Do you think there will be a free and fair election?

[@MarkSmith-lk7ez]

@@SueFerreira75 Yep, just like in 2020.

[@onetrueslave]

@@SueFerreira75 I have never doubted the integrity of our elections.

[@LuciFoster-ke8qj]

@@SueFerreira75 Yes. But I also believe everything, especially law and order is up in the air. The only way to stop this is getting a majority democrats into both houses to create laws to counter this "free ride" to future dictators heading the country.

[@glenn3646]

@@SueFerreira75 why? do you think it was rigged?

[@Ikukundu]

When is Trump going to prison?????

[@swimminginthoughts]

Never. You should go outside for a walk and enjoy yourself.

[@barrypower7259]

Yes go for a walk before trump turns America into north Korea and going outside becomes dangerous. Vote for joe save your freedoms

[@timewa851]

When Biden can quit doing his robot walk & remember where he is.......

[@barrypower7259]

@@swimminginthoughts your probably right before America turns into Russia

[@ToniSkit]

@@timewa851wtf does Biden have to do with trump criminality … the 2 aren’t related

[@TheDon600]

This was great to hear, thank you for the analysis

[@marielacharite-io5iq]

Guilty guilty guilty!!! He did this before he was president!

[@Max14163]

That's the thing I keep coming back to... he wasn't even president then! How is that even covered?

[@lynnpaulovich920]

Really Donald get out of politics, go back to bankruptcy busineses and go back to scaming contractors.

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

You're another one who gets it wrong. All the charges relate to payments made to Cohen in 2017. The first charge was for a payment made in February 2017, and they go forward from there.

[@jacobwilkie241]

Kevin, that doesn’t go under official duties. It shouldn’t anyways. Let’s say Biden paid back Hunter for covering up a story that would damage him. Would you consider what Biden did an official duty?

[@OnoMa-g6v]

Biden took Top secret documents home as a Senator!! Senators cannot remove classified information from the SCIF. Then he spread them all over Chinatown.

[@michellem4287]

Getting laid is not a business expense or a tax deduction!! The Coup continues.

[@jasonhill9025]

Unless you're name is Hunter Biden

[@RADIOIONICS]

Give it up, or we all lose!

[@shirleyallen1418]

If no deduction as business expense taken as they claim, is not illegal

[@RADIOIONICS]

@@shirleyallen1418 Exactly

[@Mike-u2b]

But but but the d.a. said he did that to interfere with the election..oh uh...looks like that overreach is reaching around 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Saaahdood]

So much evidence we uh... wait where'd it go?

[@fezenstein]

He will never have jail time

[@carlsenawo7821]

Will be voting for Biden in a hospice care over the other option

[@seanschisler4287]

You don't watch the News do you? Biden is going to be stepping down. I'm not trolling or joking this is real. God save us from Kamala Harris

[@drakemia4079]

I agree

[@Stw077]

💯 Biden gotta good team around him

[@drakemia4079]

Even a block of wood is smarter and will do more for the American people than trump , trump is a drain on our country.

[@shirleybrown4663]

Ok

[@mikemanders9787]

She just did in 8 minutes what the judge needs two months?

[@lynnwireman9773]

Asks the man in the skirt with TDS…

[@stacyphillips8231]

What is worst the behaviors character Commodus on Gladiator or Trumps behaviors?

[@stephss]

Why have laws, if there's no compliance... especially from leaders.

[@kennethpereyda5707]

yup look at Biden with student loans after the supreme court said no

[@MrMisuma]

I’m from Denmark and I’ve loved America ever since I was a kid. I am very saddened and worried by watching America crumble more and more each day. Please keep Trump away from the White House.

[@marklasky3555]

Lol sure BOT

[@commonsense571]

We are sick and scared and praying and just at wits end over the MADNESS!! VOTING BIDEN VOTING BLUE FOR DEMOCRACY!!! 🇺🇸🗽💙✨💙🗽

[@cecilelaforce3686]

Thank you dear Denmark. We will do our very best. Love from California.

[@cortical1]

Thanks for your love of our country and your support. We love our democratic brothers and sisters in Denmark, a beautiful country that has solved some of the very problems that we still struggle with. Please excuse our mess. We're having an outbreak of stupidity and fascism at the moment. We'll do our best to keep Trump away from the presidency. He's the worst president in history.

[@rodneyohrt5741]

​@@commonsense571I really hope biden goes to jail for all this illegal law fare

[@billermanthegreat]

Can the supreme court really get the guy out of state crimes?

[@Kay.in.FL.HI.SA.JP.OZ.NZ.RIO..]

No!

[@PastorJohnSpeaks]

That was the clearest summary yet. Thank you.

[@broderickgillum8854]

Somebody got payed off . Crooks

[@butchsanders6113]

Yep, brought and paid for.😢💙

[@joesantana5704]

The SUPREME COURT needs to be prosecuted!!!!!!

[@bera0014]

250 years and 46 presidents and only ONE expects total immunity. How did the US function before Trump? Oh yeah really well

[@OnoMa-g6v]

Low information voter! Presidents do not have total immunity. The constitution states they are to defend the constitution. Biden violated the constitution when he opened the border, his sworn duty is to defend the country from invasion

[@CharleneTruncer]

You are right. China Joe should be prosecuted for selling us out.

[@animallover7850]

Reminds me of President Lincoln! Lefty couldn’t stand getting their butt kicked then either!

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

Obama should have faced justice for murdering all those Americans in Syria with his drones. The Supreme Court just saved him from a one-way trip to the Electric chair.

[@sipjedekat8525]

​@@animallover7850Lincoln espoused very socialist policies in many of his speeches. He and the republican party were very liberal in their time.

[@jimkyle9083]

Charges should never have been brought to begin with.

[@user-jh9ip3vp9s]

Yay Christie thank you so much for giving us hope 😊

[@HTub-bo2yl]

They ruled too late to have bearing on the case!

[@D.MichelleBoydston]

That was intentional

[@jabbermocky4520]

The NY hush money case has been completely adjudicated. He was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He is concerned about sentencing now. That's why the Supremes pushed this ruling through this week. But it's only going to DELAY sentencing in that case. The most serious cases are the Federal Jan. 6 charges and the theft of classified documents. He thinks his appointed lackey Cannon will keep kicking that case down the road infinitely. Espionage carries very heavy penalties. He knows that well due to Roy Cohn's involvement in having the Rosenberg's electrocuted to death when Trump was still an impressionable youth. Cohn was Trump's own first crooked lawyer. He knows what happened to the Rosenbergs and might prefer to be shark bait, after all, if found guilty of espionage. SCOTUS wants to see that justice is NOT done in that case.

[@timewa851]

that's not how the Supreme Court works. It's the Tippy Top. Of courts. They kicked it down to a lower court, as is their right & authority.

[@bngr_bngr]

That’s not the case. The appeal will say the evidence came from the period when he was President.

[@whatsthemonsterbelow]

@@bngr_bngrhe wasn't president during the payment silly

[@dianemashinski5792]

NO NO NO THIS CAN NOT BE HAPPENING, THIS WILL BRING NOTHING GOOD

[@GrizzlysEye]

It is all just for delay. They still hope to win in November. They saw a hole in the fabric and they wiggled their way through it, nothing more complicated than that. They are not forward thinking people.

[@john-brady]

And so far it’s been pretty ‘wild’ by any normal standards…

[@dylonrasco]

LOCK TRUMP UP AND VOTE IN BIDEN

[@debidee5548]

😶

[@brianpearson276]

Hahaha.

[@Mia_I_am_nice]

Trump belongs behind bars

[@Alcaraz60]

IT SEEMS LIKE ANYONE CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER.

[@Riclmnopp]

Of corse a bot is the top MSNBC comment. Just read their page. 😂

[@AliceBowie]

Yeah, but he's gonna be behind the big desk in the oval office, instead. And the whole reason is all of these charges turned him into a martyr in the minds of like half of the population. He thrives on negative attention, the only way to defeat him is to ignore him.

[@dessertlocust]

says the fasssscist

[@Max14163]

@@Alcaraz60 On Fifth Avenue!

[@causeandefect8252]

This is the best discussion that I have heard this week! Thank you both. Happy Fourth of July!

[@muninraven3327]

Trump/not Trump. I just want to hear one clear explanation of what Trump or any other person in the exact same position is guilty of, and then a breakdown of why. Not too much to ask.

[@tomwise1us]

The scotus decision should be considered ex posto facto. (after the fact) . He was tried under the laws in effect at that time

[@jasonhill9025]

Except the statute of limitations is long over but you traitors will still try him, won't you?

[@kuskesh_haramzadeh]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@WyvernYT]

That's an excellent point.

[@Heathbarbcrunch2]

That’s not how it works

[@WilliamBowling-pp4wg]

First, it was not Congress acting. The Constitution only prohibits Congress from passing an ex post facto law. Second, it was not a law, but rather a SCOTUS decision interpreting the law. Third, it explicitly stated a protection that has always been in the Constitution and is a logical extension of Nixon v. Fitzgerald.

[@litontap]

But he wasn't president when any of the charges happened. 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

[@justindull-kh8gt]

@litontap the stormy Daniel's case didn't go public til he ran for president either 🙄 You know why? He wasn't planning on running for president during the time they allegedly hooked up. If them 2 did get together it's a little obvious that certain people were trying to get in the spotlight

[@brianmi40]

The SC decision ALSO made it not allowed to use evidence obtained from when he WAS president, which some of the information in the trial had come forth from.

[@litontap]

@@justindull-kh8gt Could absolutely be true.

[@MachiavellisThePrince]

​@@justindull-kh8gtTrump ran for President as a Reform Party candidate but lost the nomination to David Duke. 2016 was his best chance and he was desperate to hide more of his disgusting behavior from voters.

[@moonshoes11]

@@justindull-kh8gt What is obvious is your misplaced loyalty.

[@lorettamontez1778]

That's not right

[@LindaString]

it seems to me we need to add more judges to the court.

[@user-vt1hx1fb7p]

This happened before he was president so he's to be held liable

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

And yet, another who is mistaken. ALL the charges were for payments made to his attorney after DT was president. They start in February 2017 and go forward from there.

[@kennethpereyda5707]

the payment was made while he was president, silly details

[@Buckets1000]

So He's already *'above the law'*

[@gk2811]

Is falsifying business records an official act?

[@user-if2dm3uw3f]

And how exactly did that affect your life?

[@maharajjinkb7824]

Records were not 'falsified'. Even if they could claim wrongdoing, a misdemeanor, at best, was blown up into a federal crime. Lawfare. Bogus. Will be overturned on appeal.

[@gk2811]

@@maharajjinkb7824 Is instigating ‘an insurrection’ an official act?

[@ryanvenjoyer]

​@@gk2811Nope. The 5/29 "insurrection" wasn't an official act. And the "insurrection" you're thinking of was neither insurrection nor incited by 45. You'd know that if you had a balanced set of news sources. Example, Glenn Greenwald hates 45 as much as you do, and thinks 45 is mostly helping the elites and Wall Street, but can't deny the facts that he's never come close to inciting violence. He's incited protest and denounced violence. Try watching his recent coverage of the incident.

[@gk2811]

@@user-if2dm3uw3f “How did it affect my life?” I was overjoyed when the New York jurors ‘Made Accountability Great Again.

[@follywood2]

It doesn't have to be "plausible" when it gets appealed to the Supreme Court.

[@chrismaile617]

I'm just wondering how many suitcases of money did it take for this current delay to occur?

[@chrisseiler7856]

Judges correct response to Don the Con-vict lawyers should have been “See you on the 11th”

[@carolgriffiths6603]

Absolutely! I'm afraid he's giving in to the lunacy

[@CharlieFlask]

​@@carolgriffiths6603not necessarily, ..I think that if you take a look at the near back circumstances of statements and motions that cannot be reversed, you will be pleased with the final outcome..

[@geninji6117]

Justice delayed is justice denied

[@jsmith7701]

You're a guillble person. Probably not so great at learning either.

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

Obama should have faced justice for murdering all those Americans in Syria with his drones-of-death. The Supreme Court just saved him from a one-way trip to the Electric chair. The children in classroom can't stop crying. They wanted him to face justice.

[@kennethpereyda5707]

so when is Biden headed for prison ?

[@MrAtheistQueen]

Very good news. Thank you for sharing!

[@chrishenry5945]

This will be overturned on appeal.

[@cocoatmidnight7611]

I am sorry, I believed that our SC would acknowledge that Trump was not immune from his crimes so I am skeptical with our judicial system today. 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸

[@user-cq3qm4ps3z]

There is a law which states that [any] judge cannot be sued for poor decisions they make (as a judge), but of course they can be sued for personal crimes (such as DWI). It seems the SC decision is basically stating that. The GOoPs are calling it a "big win" because what else would they call it?

[@final1fantasy]

What took you so long? Oh, I remember: the laws weren't being manipulated against you (wyt ppl,) now they are. How does it feel?

[@final1fantasy]

It's only gonna get worst. Now you're gonna feel what it's like to be marginalized. I gotta see this.

[@RichardPierpoint-di8fi]

@@final1fantasy Try gain in non-gibberish - muchas gracias, cono...

[@final1fantasy]

@@RichardPierpoint-di8fi See what I mean? No matter what (Democrat, Republican, Independent) you defend inequality and never admit your wrong doings. Instead you attempt to question "my" intelligence and associate it with being Hispanic. You're ALL the same.

[@robincm5058]

At this point no one should be in JAIL!!! This guy has done everything illegal and still not in jail this is sad!!!

[@stanborg4755]

TDS

[@MrSean03839]

Sorry but the elite are almost never held accountable. Why? Because the other corrupt elites don't want to ever be held accountable. The who system has been corrupt for decades now.