You Should NOT Be Proud To Be Patriotic | Peter Tatchell | Oxford Union

Peter Tatchall argues against the motion that 'This House is Proud to be Patriotic'.
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Peter Tatchell, a political campaigner who recently called for the abandonment of the British national anthem, conveys how the obligations of "a human being" should transcend "national borders and identities...There is not enough acknowledgement of common identity".
Filmed on Thursday 14th November 2013
MOTION: This House is Proud To Be Patriotic
RESULT: Defeated.
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ABOUT PETER TATCHELL:
Peter Gary Tatchell is an Australian-born British political campaigner best known for his work with LGBT social movements (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender).Tatchell was selected as Labour Party Parliamentary candidate for Bermondsey in 1981. He was then denounced by party leader Michael Foot for supporting extra-parliamentary action against the Thatcher government. Labour subsequently allowed him to stand in the Bermondsey by-election in February 1983. In the 1990s he campaigned for LGBT rights through the direct action group OutRage!, which he co-founded. He has worked on various campaigns, such as Stop Murder Music against music lyrics allegedly inciting violence against LGBT people and writes and broadcasts on various human rights and social justice issues. He attempted a citizen's arrest of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe in 1999 and again in 2001.
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[@dismantledbrain5910]

Patriotism is fueled by national leaders, in hopes of rallying people under the guise of greater good, while only using them for their interests. They have to create a Us vs. Them scenario if they wish to fight.

[@nithinsabu4808]

Many people say he's talking about nationalism and I guess that's it. But I don't know about other countries, but in india, there's a lot of people who say they are patriotic, but are actually nationalists. For some people, hating Pakistan is some form of patriotism. It's basic human nature- to have the sense of belongingness. Society has created so many communities and people want to be belonging to these to feel a sense of brotherhood. But along with that comes the distrust, hatred caused over the differences between other communities. Nationalism is the extreme stage of patriotism. The bad thing about patriotism is that it divides human society, creating stereotypes and conflicts. The good thing is, it increases brotherhood between people of the same community and advances development due to competition.

[@dendradwar9464]

That is fair. Humans like it or not have feelings good, bad and indifferent. Without any feeling / empathy towards the person next to you then the potential for a higher level of disagreement absolutely exists- which potentially can lead to violence. Without some sort of social bonding there is no society. Going too far with anything including patriotism is a bad thing. Too much of anything is bad, there needs to be a balance. What I find ironic with this speaker is he feels more akin to other campaigners for social justice - this is and of itself, simply another form of patriotism expressed through a different medium, very much along the lines of a secular religion.

[@basedchad6035]

Thats no Argument against Patriotism. Saying being not patriotic whould actually be good for your country is arguing out of a nationalistic Perspektive. But when that premise is wrong in a war for example. Ukraine war. If they were Not that natioanlistic They whould make worse fighters. And dont Tell me u want prove thats intuitive.

[@treek10k]

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

[@alaszrar6202]

You seem very unbiased, I respect that

[@100musicplaylists3]

"Wrap a turd in a flag and millions wont smell it" - T. J. Huxley

[@johncaze757]

Is this a real quote?

[@100musicplaylists3]

@@johncaze757 "The trouble with the internet today is that you cant always trust what you are reading" - Abraham Lincoln

[@yington]

@@100musicplaylists3source of this pls

[@Death_Jaw]

Seems legit -Nixon

[@juleshitchen9089]

every war has been fought over race, religion or land. they have been fought over difference and ownership. dissolve your ego and the idea that you own something and do just that for everybody on the planet. The planet is ours to share amongst the other beings on the planet for us all to enjoy. once people realise this we'll be able to move forward

[@privateprivate1865]

I agree my friend

[@Papaking7]

Well said brother 🎉😊

[@chrismathis4162]

I personally never understood patriotism. I will stand for ideals in which I believe and fight against those I oppose. It matters not to me the person or country espousing those ideals.

[@treek10k]

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

[@trafalgarcrew4625]

​@@treek10kBruh

[@lucyboyajian1624]

Ik that I'll never be abel to say this irl,so I'll say it online. A country serves me and not the other way around, people should not go to the army to serve for it that's just stupid. A human life is the most valuable thing that exists and nothing else should be able to reach that level of value, but all i see millions of people sacrificing themselves for what? For a plot of land that u can find anywhere . Well ik that world peace is impossible but we can do something instead of killing eachother like we're worthless.

[@9polio]

Polish and proud🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

[@MrShriniketpatil]

Unfortunately governments and leaders forcibly expect people to be on the other debate.

[@Dcool97]

Excellent speech. Nationalism is entirely default in my generation; we don’t know anything else. But the idea that people of empires before, like the Roman or Ottoman Empire, composed of multiple ethnicities and identities, were satisfied within the empire, and able to cross entire continents without a passport or visa, is so interesting. Seeing ourselves and others as humans first, is so important to be humane to others.

[@desienamreeka2804]

What was the result, who won ?

[@Little-kc9pt]

It doesn't matter. You have to choose yourself.

[@sparkyartg6490]

Lol, first off he's talking about nationalism, not patriotism. Here's a link about the difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5fNeWCiiNyXhKc Secondly, not all people share those values, that is *why* they have civil rights activists in the Congo. Because there *weren't* civil rights and they *weren't* valued.

[@nithinsabu4808]

I understand that, but what's wrong is many people are nationalists and call themselves patriots

[@AbdurRaheem325]

66 likes and 6 dislikes. 666. This video is satan.

[@woden_the_wanderer]

Peter Tatchel. The man who tried to lower the age of sexual consent to 14.

[@davegnidaer572]

Quite

[@jasonrichards2371]

absolutely right he is a disgusting filthy nonce

[@carbonarapadrino]

Lots of gay men would love a go on a fourteen year old lad as well. The idea is fairly repellent to most ordinary folk however.

[@markpalmer8083]

​@@carbonarapadrino What has it got to do with gayness? There are far more straight men behind bars for underage sex. Do some research and don't embarrass yourself with your ignorance.

[@yington]

@@ronedwards9832 The question is, why would an old bloke be campaigning for it

[@louisemartin6820]

The coming together of humanity is a high ideal something noble to strive for, this utopia is it possible ? perhaps for future generations, human beings are somewhat ego driven social creatures that group together depending on beliefs and value systems, being proud of ones country indeed nationalism itself is a kind of self preservation, in order to maintain and protect ones culture and way of life, people dislike change particularly in terms of perceived erosion of national identities, not just in the uk but globally. Each country has an element within that feels that there way of life is better or superior than that of others, rightly or wrongly world superpowers driven by greed & economic dominance have imposed their will on others throughout history for thousands of years, it’s neither right or morally fair to do so, unfortunately there is no sign of this pattern of behaviour stoping any time soon as the changing of the economic power & control switches to China from the USA in the coming decades and countries like Russia India and Africa grow in influence on the world stage, with such changes bring with it upheaval war and conflict, as the powers that be jostle for control, unfortunately we as a species are not in enlightened enough at this present time to change and see the world as a global community & work for the benefit of all, its the only true way forward & should be humanities ultimate goal.

[@snowfrosty1]

Your detrimentally ignorant, intellectually dishonest, asinine and inept reverence for ‘Western’ lead neo-liberal “globalism” is pretty wonky, flawed to high hell, unsustainable, and unsavory to be honest. All whimsical “enlightenment” talk aside, it was never and never will be an actually good national, geo-political or regional ideal.

[@sunset2.00]

Patriotism is possible without being nationalistic but it's like standing on a rope.... Where most people will fail. It is not the case for the other side .

[@theamericannestormakhno2360]

Cringe

[@Anonymous_Dissident]

They're the same thing.

[@basedchad6035]

Not being patriotic or nationalistic is a worse slope. It makes once vital and strong and agile Nations to become corrupt weak with no Spirit and prone to Fall Nations. So I take the slipperay slope into facism all day (there is no real slipperay slope. Maybe a pathwhy out of stone)

[@basedchad6035]

​@@Anonymous_Dissident no their not. And globlaism is worse

[@treek10k]

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

[@MarkPiccolo]

Been proud of be an patriot for your own country is nothing to ashamed of whatsoever it's about identity and culture

[@NimerionTech]

It is. Dividing people is primitive. And a signal of low intelligence. "Identity" and "culture" doesn't fit you when it comes from the LGBTQ right?

[@Death_Jaw]

​@@NimerionTech If you look for advice from this Thatchel guy you're slow, good luck looking for people with children to back this sick pedo.

[@andrewaustin3836]

⁠@@NimerionTechyou are, like this speaker, confusing patriotism with nationalism.

[@jamesthejoker7415]

Well you can think what you want but I am proud to be British 🇬🇧 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇯🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

What makes you proud to be British?

[@jamesthejoker7415]

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 Patriotism is very good for my mental health as it gives me a sense of purpose. It’s lifted me out of some dark times in my life. That is why I am patriotic. God Save The Queen! 🇬🇧

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

@@jamesthejoker7415 could you describe how it helped your mental health with purpose? Isn't it possible to find purpose if you weren't British? Or if there was no such country at all? Communities large and small would still exist, don't you think? I know, lots of questions, but I'm genuinely curious

[@jamesthejoker7415]

​@@quixoticindiscipline9524 Oh don’t worry, I appreciate questions. And yes, it is true there are many communities out there and I have tried many. I used to be in a Rugby team, I am in a Rowing Team, I’m in the Scouts, but none really give me a greater sense of purpose than patriotism, because it makes me feel as if I’m a part of something bigger than just myself. It may sound silly but it gives me the motivation to get out of bed every single day.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@jamesthejoker7415 So you're proud of the invasion, massacre, killing of millions of innocents. That's entire British history. There's nothing more to it.

[@kishmish64]

I think he is confusing Nationalism with Patriotism

[@Little-kc9pt]

No, he is not.

[@dorkwell]

You didn't listen did you?

[@isadeporzzi2287]

His dreams of being a proud boy are shattered 🤣

[@sparkyartg6490]

@@Little-kc9pt look here kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5fNeWCiiNyXhKc

[@acrossmiddle2804]

Solid arguments & amazing speech

[@yington]

Just typical self-hatred from a privileged Brit

[@thezeitgeist3997]

3:15 "National Health Service, Equality protection laws, freedom of speech are not uniquely British values they are shared by ever country on earth" What nonsense. Do Saudi Arabia value freedom of speech when they sentence a journalist to 1000 lashes for insulting Islam? There are so many countries that simply do not share the values that we do. Tatchell is completely deluded.

[@horacefairview5349]

+dan bounds HE said by people in every country on earth. Not the whole country. Thats why if you do live in saudi arabia, you should believe in freedom of speech etc. not just your country.

[@thezeitgeist3997]

Laurence Bell He said country not individuals. Individual people can always transcend their cultural values.

[@leatherman9924]

he is the image of the singer with the Pet Shop Boys. I don't know why but every time I look at him I feel like laughing

[@yington]

Well keep laughing , because laughing is the act of laughing

[@FiremarshalM1]

Universal human rights???

[@MrShriniketpatil]

Couldn't agree more!

[@user-qq3bl6py3g]

No, no I’m not patriotic in the least. Honestly, I kind of hate my country.

[@MrAzboGaming]

Non of that drivel was remotely an argument against patriotism.

[@jonnypinknuckles]

I don't really see why valuing our common humanity has to contradict patriotism - I consider myself a citizen of the world and don't identify as patriotic, but I don't see any problem with being proud of your country as long as your not stepping on anyone else's. The problem is when you consider your nationality inherently superior to somebody else, rather than just valuing and preserving your own culture etc. isn't it possible to be both internationalist *and* nationalist?

[@sakon4466]

agreed

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

The thing is that patriotism leads to dividing people into groups that belong amd groups that don't. It is another way of dividing people through tribalism.

[@dendradwar9464]

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 Yes I agree with this - but his point re "human rights defender" is in and of itself yet another form tribalism. Human beings are not machines and there will always be differing viewpoints. Dividing people up by viewpoints is yet another form of tribalism.

[@dendradwar9464]

@@YonIon996 Don't accept that! .. and if some people really believe that, that is a very dark path .. I wonder where that ends? ..

[@rotimiojo2882]

I respect your view. I also think likewise. Cannot one be both?

[@prempraneethkota6486]

Totally agree

[@amaerukaoru]

I am not a patriotism, but I think there is also a fact that I was forced to be a human being, It is just like a rape! If being a human being is not free or comfortable, I can take off the label of human being too.

[@n6rt9s]

What are you if you aren't a human being? An animal? A plant? An inanimate object?

[@rijusaha1]

The other side is right lol

[@artemissrijan473]

👏👏👏

[@craigmullen9046]

Sorry you'll never get away from the nation-state I love being a White ethno English Nationalist. I apologize to no one.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

Why do you love that? And why do you think we'll never get away from nation-state, what do you mean by that?

[@craigmullen9046]

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 the love of your country and having sovereignty in your own country putting your own countrys first.

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

@@craigmullen9046 But why do you love a country? What is it that makes you love the idea of a country, and is it the same as loving the people in your country?

[@craigmullen9046]

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 the culture, the Countryside, traditions etc.

[@quixoticindiscipline9524]

@@craigmullen9046 but wouldn't you then love your country anyways if you were born in a different one? I know, lots of questions, but I'm genuinley curious

[@Kevo216666]

Peter love... You are talking about nationalism not patriotism. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your countries heritage and history.

[@zccau2316]

K Russell history of taking over the world, killing, genocide, rape, slavery can go on lol. Proud of that mate?

[@TheMikadoOfLondon]

It's kind of like being proud of the deeds and accomplishments of the people who used to live in your flat before you moved in.

[@leonardplanckiii998]

@@zccau2316 every fucking continent has done this ? 🇺🇸 is the goat and we will take our country back. We are the superior nation Bc our ppl are hard working goons who love god almighty.

[@zccau2316]

@@leonardplanckiii998 hahaha okay genocide apologist

[@leonardplanckiii998]

@@zccau2316 how when every continent ever has done this. Communism itself has over 5 billion ppl today in chains so?

[@harryrobertson3746]

So, Ukranians should be ashamed of being patriotic?

[@rammmer9787]

you don't know how to listen, do you?

[@yington]

No that’s different because being patriotic is good as long as it’s not British first & foremosy

[@andrewaustin3836]

Patriotism isn’t nationalism, bro. I despise everything my leaders stand for, yet if my homeland was under attack I would lay down my life for it

[@starofdavid9919]

What you do in someone else,s home is different to what you do in yours.

[@LearnWithYender]

Did you choose to be born in that place?

[@yington]

@@LearnWithYenderzzzzz

[@alpinion323]

It shouldn't be different. You should act honourably in ANY home.

[@privateprivate1865]

Ego and arrogance

[@invisiblemaninthesky7927]

I may not be patriotic for my country (which is the USA) but people can still be patriotic for their own countries even though I think it's stupid

[@MusbCrazy80]

Get stuffed. British and proud, welsh and proud.

[@Aly_jaf]

Not surprised you are xenophobic

[@carwyngriffiths]

Cymru am byth brother

[@carwyngriffiths]

@@Aly_jaf sure he is mate, where’d you get that from?

[@Aly_jaf]

@@carwyngriffiths his playlists

[@brianharrington9802]

Take care of yourself, your family and community/Country first! Then look to help others outside that with whatever resources you have left.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

That’s the kind of mindset that has made countries like Africa suffer famine for decades. And has set divisions between 1st and 3rd world countries.

[@GeddyLeeBell]

Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious.

[@SimonGoodmen]

That’s just simply not true. I‘m from vietnam and we have been beaten down for several thousand years yet we are patriotic. I would argue that it is the same level with the losers like the scots or Irish.

[@trevorwongsam8178]

This man is all middle class heart but no knowledge or understanding of the world or history whatsoever

[@nephetula]

How can you feel much in common with people whose language you don't understand? People whose culture and world view is entirely different? People have different ideas about life and how to live it, so this idea of "oneness" overlooks the fact that when we don't have a lot in common, we don't tend to get along very well. This is true not only in marriages, but in families, towns, cities and even countries.

[@sakon4466]

that doesn't makes the different people inferior or evil neither does it takes their right to exist in this world

[@nephetula]

@@sakon4466 The right to exist does not include the right to change someone else's existence. We can do anything we want, but only as long as it doesn't affect others.

[@sakon4466]

@@nephetula that's true

[@Diamondsparkle788]

You get on better with people whom have similar views to you. He is so full of woke horseshit this pufter.

[@Sandwich13455]

it's conformation of the nwo

[@Yash-lx5xr]

As brits, you should all be proud of your country.

[@hj2963]

@Nick Morris because national pride is essential, all people should be proud of their nation, imagine hating yourself. Our history is immense. England gave birth to common law and was the most literate nation in history by the 1400’s. There are two reasons.

[@DukeWilliam21]

I'm Patriotic with my Two Countries! 🇳🇴🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Yash-lx5xr]

@@hj2963 that and if you hate your country you won't be willing to acknowledge and fix any problems in it. If you're patriotic you want to see your country do its best.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@hj2963 For other countries maybe. But not for England and other countries in the EU. England invaded so many countries and killed millions of innocents. So patriotism doesn't make sense for England because if you're proud of your past you're basically proud of how much massacre England caused in those days.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@Yash-lx5xr England also caused massacre in so many countries and killed millions and millions of people for conquests. If you're proud of England you're proud of the massacre caused and the innocent people killed.

[@version736ha2]

Go to Iran and see how you get on Pete

[@Time-traveller777]

Be proud people. I'm proud to be patriotic. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧💪

[@wolfgang7812]

I would take the middle course and say patriotism in moderation

[@Koryos444]

My only patriot is my town And not because we're equeal or share a same identity, but because we live together and we contribute to the same society, the Polis (Sorry for thy broken english)

[@rrob4206]

“The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does , and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does ; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility while the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to a war .” 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔.DIDN'T PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP SAY HE WAS A NATIONALIST? ♥️ ♥️ ♥️ I WILL TAKE A KNEE ANY DAY BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IN PATRIOTISM.

[@Aramjs678]

Nationalism is when you believe în national self determination ( you don t want anyone from outside to influence your politics or control your country), shut tf up.

[@rrob4206]

@@Aramjs678 🤡🤡🤡

[@Aramjs678]

@@rrob4206 what?

[@evaisthisiaeclaire6365]

You have given the ideal form of patriotism and the practice of nationalism.

[@yodukenukem]

But in what way do you need to feel proud for your country at all? Look at the facts objectively, examine them and then decide in which ways your country is more improved than others And don’t rely on that, but rather try and improve the situation in your country even more and help other countries get to the same living standards as the ones you currently love Only by that we can stand united as the world and not be separated by borders anymore As far as I’m concerned we only know and have the earth, we are all equal no matter where you from, because you can only be citizen of the world So if you want to be a patriot, then be a patriot of the world, because being a patriot of a country destroys, kills and doesn’t improve anything

[@rijusaha1]

Well this person is right not for Britain but for its colonies

[@markpalmer8083]

Give this man a knighthood for all he has done in his life. He is one of the World's greats.

[@treek10k]

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

[@yington]

@@treek10kwhy would God send you for torture for eternity?

[@whoseeyesareflowers639]

Lol this dude is a pedo and he’s lecturing us on how loving your country and fellow countrymen is a bad thing? 😂 no thanks

[@johncaze757]

​@@whoseeyesareflowers639where did you get that he is a p3do from exactly?

[@Templedelagloire]

He admits that sometimes being patriotic can lead to good things. Therefore, sometimes you should be patriotic.

[@jish55]

No, it means that you should acknowledge when the chunk of land you live in does something right. You can be happy to live in a country, that's fine, but patriotism pushes your mind to ignore what other countries do as you in turn become more indoctrinated into the ideology that your country is the best. This is why patriotism is bad and why it's dangerous for the human species.

[@finfanfun6239]

@@jish55 it can lead to facism.

[@abbyalphonse499]

@@finfanfun6239 It has before, and it worryingly looks like it could again.

[@yington]

@@finfanfun6239 Only place on earth that has been further away from such a thing

[@NefariousVirtuoso88]

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being proud of being English and want to protect English culture. Anybody that says different can sit on something and swivel.

[@lolamar2926]

since he is not proud of british peoples open minded thinking and freedom of speach let him go back to russia and be proud to be a human instead of british over there

[@jackdeeney1866]

white people don't have the right to be proud of their culture

[@NefariousVirtuoso88]

Jack Deeney If white people dont then nobody can because everybody else is worse.

[@RobertOfStAlbans_]

@@NefariousVirtuoso88 This comment confirms what Jack Deeney has said.

[@isadeporzzi2287]

Because that's pretty much all of British history

[@leonardplanckiii998]

Nothing wrong with loving your country and having faith your community and country as a whole is working for god and the betterment of each other. That is America 🇺🇸 stop the corruption and corporations and buy local again help one another lift each other up and support your local community first.

[@mnpo8987]

Not everyone here are "christians" or support the american cause.

[@leonardplanckiii998]

@@mnpo8987 idc? Jesus says to spread his word I will do that. If religion offends you shut your mouth and move on. No reason to be offended. Just 🤫 and don’t comment

[@rpa2001]

@@leonardplanckiii998 but isn’t his freedom to say whatever he wants to you? First amendment.

[@leonardplanckiii998]

@@rpa2001 no one says he not allowed to?

[@TheGemar14]

@@leonardplanckiii998 But you would prefer that he not because it upsets you

[@Dowlo_-2k]

Thanks for everything LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🏳️‍🌈

[@laetitia7088]

Pure gold

[@seymourbutts2530]

This is stupid. So really, on the logic of "don't choose an opinion because it means declaring a position" is what this boils down to. My country does come first. If I live in the UK I am supposed to put China first? Germany? Mexico. It's left wing word salad.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

It’s about putting aside preconceptions of race and nationality and seeing ourselves as all equally human. And how you should help those in need because they are human like yourself. Instead of just being like: “It’s all me, me, me because I’m British and I don’t wanna help anyone who doesn’t speak English. Because of blah blah blah, we won a war once”

[@anupthapa2095]

Why do you have to impose the idea of nation.?

[@vinix333]

The best one of them all!

[@richarde735]

if you’re not patriotic, don’t ask me to fight for you! what 😲 you’re being attacked… GFY!

[@morelio7985]

Who's this man, and why he's so right???

[@brianhicks6637]

God, I love this guy more and more.

[@bibekdas7449]

No human are foreign, we all are same Why Nations and war? Why nationalism and Patriotism? Why do we need it if we can stay united in the same planet? #unitedwestanddividedwefall

[@cuisine4200xl]

Peter for Prime Minister!!

[@onmysecondjourney5510]

My god, he is clearly saying he doesn't have any love for his own country in a prestigious university. What has happened to this world. He is spreading the poison.

[@finfanfun6239]

Yep a bot 🤖

[@thephilosophermma8449]

it was an accident of birth, he didnt choose to be born in that country

[@Johnnysmithy24]

⁠@@thephilosophermma8449Same thing could be said about Gay people. It was an accident of birth, they didn’t chose to be born that way, so why have Gay Pride??

[@SimonGoodmen]

@@thephilosophermma8449but that’s just him I am very proud of my country and it’s courageous history. He is confusing nationalism with patriotism. Patriots love their country nationalist think it’s best