Dr Maszlee Malik argues Islam is like democracy: it is not perfect - but they are compatible 6/8

[@MrYuvalf]

Why is Oxford Union not publishing the latest full debate regarding Israel?

[@jacquekuek211]

Sad to say as Oxford used to be respectable and prestigious and now kow-tow to Islamic funds churning out half baked potatoes graduates.

[@photina78]

Where is your debate featuring Mosab Hassan Yousef and Yoseph Hadad? Are you too ashamed of your students' antisemetic hate and ignorance to show that one? Do you have enough courage to post the unedited footage?

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

i found a audio clip from Jonathan Sacerdoti, kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGKwg2x6abynfdksi=u3iS4rIVAcfLU6BB which i believe is also team of natasha and Mosab Hassan yousef please do update if anyone have newest info for the full debate clip

[@ac1646]

I came here to find it too.

[@photina78]

@@ac1646 Today I read that Oxford has received tons of money from Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood. They've sold their souls like the rest of the UK.

[@md.mahadihasan6642]

Mosab Hussain Yusuf?? Why do you want see that a hole anyway??

[@iyeshanadim4382]

YAWN !!!! JEEZ YOU GUYS LITERALLY PUTTING JEWS AT RISK ALL OVER THE WORLD BY DEVALUING THAT ACCUSATION.

[@kanyewest992]

Malaysia prioritizes Muslim students in government universities and government jobs. There’s a 90% allocation to Muslims.And this dude was the education minister. Yes… democracy

[@DarthwRath]

Exactly. The religious and racial supremacy in Malaysia is so in the open it's not even worthy of a discussion. The Muslim Malays live as first class citizens, while the rest doesn't. If you were a non-malay & non-muslim, questioning that reality publicly will only get you problems. To see this jackass all suited up and selling perfumed words in Hamas Western Camp (Oxford) isn't surprising. Muslim will demand equality and democracy everywhere they go. But they will cherish and protect their lands & subjugate the rest in it.

[@dimensionofacrazykid3530]

It’s not for muslims but for bumis bro. Don’t be ignorant.

[@marieliewpekyee1706]

I'm from Malaysia. Buying houses & cars Muslims or Bumiputera gets 30% discount and banks get more interest for Malays only. We non-Muslim cannot enjoy these privileges. Malaysian law has stated Muslims only get special privileges. Education passing marks is 20%. Non-Muslims have to start from 0%. Saw many Muslims driving Ferrari, Porche, Lambourgini or big cars

[@kanyewest992]

@ you’re absolutely right

[@FabricFolds]

@@marieliewpekyee1706 This is the reason we like to hear from someone like you because NONE of this is ever talked about. Thank you for sharing this and I wished more people would understand and listen.

[@betoferrera]

Will you guys publish the debate on Israel?

[@stuntclutch]

They first need a debate about the topic "Does not publishing every full debate make this house irrelevant?" Guys it's 2024, stop acting like 1960s elitist pricks and let us in on the fun.

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

i am here to help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGKwg2x6abynfdksi=u3iS4rIVAcfLU6BB i found a audio clip from Jonathan Sacerdoti, which i believe is also team of natasha and Mosab Hassan yousef

[@swedishlawyer99]

@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla this audio is the part where he is supporting Israel's genocide on the Palestinians. In that Oxford union a whopping 278 voted that Israel is an apartheid state responsible for Genocide. Only 59 voted against.

[@vks704]

" While the Hindu elaborates his argument, the Moslem sharpens his sword." - Winston Churchill

[@falikhzhourii]

some hindus are sharpening their swords aswell, the muslims just play victim everytime

[@ABO-Destiny]

Islam is democracy of men who are given divine rights to use women as they wish. Hard times ahead

[@thairinkhudr4259]

Tell me you don't know Islam without telling me you don't know Islam.

[@jpatel2002]

Democracy of muslims men*

[@jpatel2002]

​@@thairinkhudr4259 bro stop using old meme templates as your argument, you sound childish.

[@TII331]

​@@thairinkhudr4259queeran 4.34 abdool

[@himmel-erdeundzuruck5682]

Where is the speech of Mosab? A toddler can win a debate where all people with another opinion are thrown out. Since when is telling the truth an insult? Truth is an insult only to liars.

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

In Maldives, you have to be muslim in order to gain citizenship.

[@md.mahadihasan6642]

So???

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

@@md.mahadihasan6642 Is that democracy?????

[@md.mahadihasan6642]

@@PhilosophicalZombieHunter isn't democracy supposed to be only for the citizens of the particular country??

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

@@md.mahadihasan6642 No, thats an enthostate????

[@bigm2156]

@@PhilosophicalZombieHunter they don’t know how sad they sound. They all have cognitive dissonance. Some book poison their minds

[@thienyetan2035]

Not philosophical at all. Where is the depth? This is just talking about his past, then using the exception to oppose the general rule, talking past each other about what defines a Muslim. Finnaly devaluing the whole topic by saying "my interpretation of Muslim is compatible with democracy, there is no point talking about this, instead we should focus at criticizing UN being totalitarian". Yeah bro yeaaaah

[@PawanKumar-bw3vr]

Woah! Islam is like democracy then why don't you draw the picture of prophet? I think that will give us a clarity of how much Islam is like democracy!

[@PrettyGoodLookin]

Islam is Islam. They believe that pictures will lead to idolatry. Respect for other people. Not everyone has to be the same in the World.

[@TimeTrotter24]

So democracy can be widdled down to drawing pictures? what a dumb comment. Democracy in the West is having 2 shitty predetermined, foreign and special interested funded lapdogs to choose from every few years to screw you over... is that democracy? if so, then the motion should be, "is democracy a failed system"

[@Jbond547]

Better than your animal god

[@kanyewest73655]

​​@@Jbond547 but those animal gods aren't pedophile tho but so called prophet is.....

[@FatmaBOmer]

your point makes no sense, let me explain why. democracy is the principle of government by the people. if the government is to rule over people, it should respect peoples and their diverse needs, priorities, and the like. thus, there exists the concept of the freedom of expression, not speech. we should be able to express ideas and not be silenced, as long as it is plausible and reasonable and does not harm anyone. when you bring up drawings of the prophet, it is not true that this is plausible, reasonable, or harms anyone. in the charlie hebdo situations, the drawings were not for education, for awareness, or for a noble cause. they were already rooted in hatred and racism and islamophobia. thus, is it not acceptable, in an islamic society or non-islamic democratic society, for this perversion to be allowed.

[@peterkerruish8136]

Flying horses + a 6 YEAR "old?" Bride.... Sorry fella but you lost me!.

[@अहम्बुद्धःअस्मि]

56 islamic countries and only Indonesia, Tunisia and a few of others are functional democracy. The 'protectors' of the prophet's mosque and Kaaba are not done by some democracy or organisation representing the view & will of all muslims but a 'Kingdom.'

[@idorus]

And that's just for now wait and they will be fully submitted too if Islam is not expelled

[@izziesteckler1895]

Hi, when will you be releasing the video of the debate featuring Natasha Hausdorff, Yoseph Haddad etc… Please advise.

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

i found a audio clip from Jonathan Sacerdoti, which i believe is also team of natasha and Mosab Hassan yousef kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGKwg2x6abynfdksi=u3iS4rIVAcfLU6BB

[@nadkachakarova585]

We are fed up with your problems and dictators and wars. Please keep it for yourselves you don't care about democracy anyway. What only matters is your Islam.

[@herecomesBod999]

TAQQIYA TINY TEARS omg he misses the point ......ISLAM IS MENTAL

[@LabibKhan2024]

what? ur talking like you're mental.. Also what does taqiyya out of all things have to do with this?? Taqiyya means being allowed to hide being muslim to avoid persecution. Anyways, if you are reading this, actually watch the debates.

[@herecomesBod999]

@LabibKhan2024 look Islam IS all LIES . Debate me, don't attempt to deride me. Persecution?? Haha fec off ....ISLAM AGAIN

[@herecomesBod999]

...he/him freak

[@hashichan6995]

Lol this really show how dumb and uneducated you are on islam

[@herecomesBod999]

@hashichan6995 come on then......prove your comment.....

[@deni_.s]

Arguments made are not even weak, these are no arguments at all. Simply assertions reinforced by repeating the same thing. And "democracy" is not synonymous with "good", so those cheesy rhetorical comparisons are a strawman. I wish debate was what it's supposed to be: a battle of rigorously examined arguments. Not using the platform to get highlights on yourself, shout banalaties and strike emotional appeals one after another. There are abundant spaces where it is done. Preserve, at least, some, where it is not. There's therapeutic talk everywhere, let us have space to conduct analytical talk.

[@himmel-erdeundzuruck5682]

Here it never was about arguments. The wannabe Palestinians can't prove a single thing. Neither the g*n*c*d*, nor that their civilians were targeted, nor that there is a famine, nor that they are even palestinians - as long as they don't want to admit, that they are offsprings of arab expatriates and administrators constituting themselves as a nation in the sixties. Which you might accept, but they are not indigenous as they claim. All facts are against them, that's why they had to throw out Mosab, who has all the proof what they really are.

[@maria369]

🤡🤡🤡

[@arrybababecool]

Good nice talk Dr. Maszlee Malik Education Mininter of Malaysia

[@belayetiium2024]

Wonderful speech of my dear Professor Dr. Maszlee Malik. We are proud of you dear sir. You made us proud.

[@Spr-no9oy]

Any plan of Oxford to debate between radical and 'moderate' muslims...they re the.problem....remaining humans of the world.are.quite accomodative of one another. And all other religions.are.open to.change.

[@Sarah-river]

Where is mosab hassan yousef's video????

[@fletsepopje]

Where is the Mossab video ?

[@mendelbensusan891]

where is the mossab video?

[@AmicableAgnostic]

This guy thought topic is Mu5lim and Democracy. Looks like he doesn't even understand the difference between I5lam and Mu5lim.

[@himmel-erdeundzuruck5682]

he can't even translate "islam" or else he would have known that islam and democracy are not compatible, Turkey and Syria just bringing the proof, that there will always be islamists finding a way out of democracy.

[@malikshaaab]

No, Its a cult

[@RazaKazmi-h8v]

Islam never had democracy to begin with. This, however, doesn't mean that democracy is the only RIGHT path for governance. Let me clarify: Firstly, in Islam, the duty of guiding humanity was taken by the Prophets sent by Allah. Hence, there was no democracy or "people's decision" in choosing the Prophet from among themselves. Allah was the sole authority in deciding who would be made the Prophet among humanity. That Prophet was then entrusted with the word of God to guide the people towards the truth. When the last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent, Allah completed the "Teachings of Islam" upon humanity (Al-Maaidah : 3). Now the task was to spread the word of God throughout the world and protect this religion from corruption, and this is where the real problem arose: According to the Shia viewpoint: The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) chose his successor Ali (by the will of Allah and not from his own whims) as the first Imam and Khalifa (Leader) of the Islamic Ummah in his farewell sermon at Ghadir-e-Khum. This makes perfect sense as the appointment of a leader by Allah was the norm in Islam. The leadership was to be transferred within the progeny of Ali (as per Allah's wish and Prophet's instruction) till his 12th generation: to the person we know as the final Imam "Mehdi" (who will be sent by Allah to restore order and justice in the world along with Prophet Esa (Jesus)). Hence we can clearly see that the leadership and governance of the people in Islam is a totally divine process free from human interference. It is however, noteworthy that in the occultation period of the last or 12th Imam, it is democracy that can best represent the people's wishes and hence the best mode of government but not the liberal democracy of the West. Why? Because we all know that these same democracies have countless errors and flaws. For instance, the interference of lobbies in the democratic process never makes the leaders truly free to make decisions. The West's silence and inaction regarding the atrocities in Gaza are evidence that it represents not the people's wishes but the collective interests of the few powerful people behind the scenes. These governments fool the people into thinking that they represent their wishes while actually, they're so powerless that they can't even speak freely without the consent of the invisible hands (the deep state as Trump calls it). More on this later. According to the Sunni viewpoint: The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) didn't appoint anyone as the leader and left it in the hands of the Ummah to choose among themselves. This is such a flawed argument considering the fact that, according to them, the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) communicated every small aspect of one's life from how to eat, speak, talk, sleep, behave, and take care of hygiene but didn't bother to address the issue that would cause the most distress, chaos, and disintegration within the Islamic Ummah i.e. The question of Leadership? Sunnis believe that after the Prophet's demise, a Shura (cabinet) was formed which included important companions of the Prophet and they (hastily) made Abu Bakr the first caliph of the Ummah considering the turmoil that arose following the Prophet's demise. The question arises: If the leader was to be appointed (which was not required considering the Prophet's appointment of Ali) then why were Ali and his close companions not a part of the cabinet? Ali, who was the closest to the Prophet till his funeral (which also was not attended by the first three Sunni Caliphs), why was his input not taken or of any member of the Prophet's family in choosing the caliph? Secondly, if the appointment of the first caliph was made by the Shura (cabinet) i.e. Indirect democracy, then why was the second caliph appointed unilaterally without any consultation by Abu Bakr? This is such a great loophole in Sunni logic. If Islam has democracy, then all caliphs should be appointed democratically and if there's dictatorship/Kingship then that should be the norm. But this is the problem in Sunni Islam: THEY CHOOSE DEMOCRACY OR DICTATORSHIP ACCORDING TO THE SITUATION IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THEIR CALIPHS. So what is the TRUTH? To reach it one must first understand that humanity's conquest to find the utopian form of government is not new. It started from the time of Plato and onto Islamic Philosophers like Farabi, and Ibn Khaldun and later onto Western Philosophers like Montesquieu, Machiavelli, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, and then Marx. Everyone was trying to find an infallible system to govern the people and the quest continues even today. While liberal democracies might be the norm for now but with the rise of Populism and Protectionism, this process will continue to evolve and change. It should however be noted that the truly infallible system can only be achieved with an infallible authority to govern it. That authority is Allah (God) which is exercised by his appointed messengers (Prophet) or later the Imams (Starting from Ali till Mehdi, 12 in total). Apart from this infallible system humanity is left with only democracy as the most pragmatic form of government. But with all its flaws, the Western notion of democracy is not the solution. We need a democracy that is free from external influence and that is free to make its own decisions as per the wishes of its population. The theocracy in Iran may not be perfect but is the most pragmatic and effective mode so far (in my view) in countering the Western penetration into their political system. It has also upheld Islamic values better than most other Islamic countries. Some people from the West might disagree but that's how it is. Islam is a "way of life" and not just a set of principles (like other religions) you have the choice to ignore. As an Islamic state, it is the responsibility of the government to protect the Islamic values within its territories. It is different from the extremist-secular ideology of France or the liberal ideology of the US. While Islam has tolerance and acceptability for other religions, it does not allow for gross violation of its code of conduct within its territory. While there may still be judgement errors in the Iranian System, this is how a state can be best governed until Allah sends his last representative on Earth i.e Imam Mehdi (the Messiah and 12th Imam). Only then will the infallible governance of Allah be materialized on this Earth. For those who stuck till the end: Thank you for your time. Do let me know if you agree or disagree with me!

[@lindavanveen9746]

Where are the women???

[@FatmaBOmer]

in the background, part of the debate, judging, deliberating, and listening. if you want to see women in debates, you can easily look up Dalia Mogahed

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

In Malaysia, (this speaker come from malaysia) when 8 March, women's day, the womens and family mininstry published that women should learn to speak like cartoons to please their husbands

[@LabibKhan2024]

Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh all have similar numbers of females in national elected offices than the USA. Also Bangladesh has been female led for the past 30 years.

[@jpatel2002]

​@@LabibKhan2024Shaikh Hasina, whose government was thrown out of Bangladesh just a few weeks ago. And after that government is gone now we see the true face of islam in Bangladesh.

[@LabibKhan2024]

@@jpatel2002 Yeah I know, its been 4 months not a few weeks. The last 30 years Bangladesh was female led by 2 females, just this year a female leader been deposed. Right now Bangladesh is facing minimal communal riots against minorities and political rivals due to the more lenient government. Gujurat which is Hindu had riots 10 times more deadly in 2002 without its government being overthrown, so religion does not matter or minimally matters.

[@matchbox2088]

Even in your Own country you cant be THe prime minister if you are not a muslim ,

[@buggs9950]

"Where is the Mossab video?"

[@kahumanu5022]

This platform, which was a place for exchange and exploration is now an Islamic propaganda tool.

[@tobiasgrnbk5019]

Iam sick of talks about islam. Just assimilation or leave europe, we dont care about a book ritten 1500 years ago.

[@farawayfromyourcountry]

@@tobiasgrnbk5019 leave europe?? but the colonizer still on going in the middle east by christians country, leave us alone and stop stole our land and oil. do you forget what european done in the muslim country? this is karma for europe

[@badmintonmalaysia7529]

Lol then why european converted to Muslim everyday?

[@zeemazm]

Islam will spread throughout europe. It will become better and safer with Islam.

[@NotABlindBeliever]

​@@badmintonmalaysia7529 They also keep leaving but since your religion considers apostasy as death so they fear to say it loud.....Egyptian theologian himself said that if not for Apostasy punishment, Islam would have disappeared after Muhammad's death

[@srkchandrala1071]

There are two islams. West of India Islam and East of India Islam. East of India Islam is very much compatible with democracy.

[@IT-xh5jb]

Correction, 🇲🇾 is not one of the best country because of its religion, It's because of the people.

[@mishquathussain2331]

Afganistan?

[@kaixun76]

It is never one of the best countries. Only good for Mulims.

[@zeemazm]

Malaysia is in peace because we have wise Muslim king.

[@itr8247]

Malaysia has malay supremacy laws.

[@amitdangwal3041]

BS speech.. Should have also spoken about Oct 7th if talking about Gaza..

[@ncfire80]

Wtf Oxford has turn into Afghanistan

[@zeemazm]

Afghanistan won war against US, UK and Russia. Afghanistan is the best!

[@mark._liv]

He is running on the edges never go deep into the conversation he used the Gaza situation and never talked about how that Sharia law are compatible with democracy and free speech to the different

[@paulgibbons2142]

Show the Israel debate

[@amitdangwal3041]

What is he talking about is just Malaysia.. He says no Problem in Philippines?? Abu Sayef ??

[@arrybababecool]

Lovely kind start

[@darcebrooks5409]

the british ruled Maldives until 1965.

[@DovidbenYisrael613]

Clown show

[@swedishlawyer99]

Also Judaism central religious authorative scripture says through the Rabbis that it is alright for Jews raping children under 3 years old. It is as if you would poke your eye. You not only kill babies but also support raping them. Is the talmud antisemitic now too? Source: Ketubot 11b 6.

[@thesavior6291]

Will he or the Muslims allow the cartoonists to draw the cartoon of Mohamed, I mean a decent cartoon, like the ones we see in Christian pictures: Jesus preaching to his disciples. (Here I'm not talking about the cartoons that ridicule the famous figures- Charlie Hebbdo types)

[@farawayfromyourcountry]

bro why this guy trying to imitate the speaking style of Indonesian president Prabowo😂

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

he is form malaysia. a muslim malay majority which have supremacy in constitution and special rights over the minirities non muslim non malays

[@hashichan6995]

Stop claiming everything as yours ffs

[@herecomesBod999]

@hashichan6995 you too UK IS BRITISH not MOHAMMEDEAN.....

[@badmintonmalaysia7529]

Semua benda indon nak claim. Mcm bagus sgt..

[@zeemazm]

We will replace you all. Because you all careless. ​@@herecomesBod999

[@farisizwan6161]

❤❤❤

[@samarthshirsath9683]

Democracy is pagan idea😂.

[@mikewilson730]

Islam🏳‍🌈

[@jpatel2002]

😅

[@himmel-erdeundzuruck5682]

Islam and pride flag? Chicken for KfC. Try to show that flag in an islamic nation. Or better don't.

[@mahmadali8336]

Can democracies be responsible and complicit for the Gaza genocide?

[@mahmadali8336]

democracies will not allow it in Ukraine.

[@mahmadali8336]

there should be consistency in democracy.

[@theglanconer6463]

Lies

[@sweeneyadair2952]

.50/5

[@vorwartz8581]

Sorry i slept off...

[@DC3Refom]

put your sawh scripts way , taquiya

[@Jigyasu0007]

He is in hallucination 😂😂😂

[@jpatel2002]

Every "moderate" muslim is in hallucination.

[@farawayfromyourcountry]

The explorers from Europe explored with one of the goals is 3G namely glod (wealth), glory (glory), and gospel (spread Christianity) they colonized many Muslim countries and killed the indigenous population. oohh followers of paul's teachings, don't talk about other religions, first fix the teachings and followers of your religion!!!

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

Nope. the brits modernized Malaysia. It is the brits who ended the Malayan Sultan's slavery and syariah law. The brits have brought modern version of judiciary system. They have also built infrastructure such as trains, town halls. The Sisters and Brothers of Churches built schools in Malaysia and normalize education for the poor childrens. There are many school in Malaysia ubilt during the british colonial still functioning as schools more than 70 to 120 years.

[@farawayfromyourcountry]

@@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla do you forget about the other history? btw i'm not just talking about specific country.

[@lrc3661]

He can speak in Oxford Union with kind of statement, but back it's different story

[@spacemarine00]

The fact that this man made the only sane argument that night, and no one cares to watch him, tells the whole story.

[@miraxxx]

He is a lying through his teeth.

[@ibnkalamh]

Islam is a peaceful religion 🤎🖤

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

look at malaysia constitution, written black and white, malay muslim majority have supremacy and special rights in terms of economic and politics. Racial policies that allows them to buy houses at a lower tax rate. Have quotas hindering the minorities non muslim non malay to get gov subsidize tiertiary education even though they are qualified just because of their race and religion.

[@jpatel2002]

It is not even peaceful for those who believe in it. E.g. ahmedia, Shia(in Sunni majority), Sunni(in Shia majority), Pashmanda, etc

[@AM-mv6ro]

Democracy is not required, Shari’ah is the only way forward and it will prevail across all nations in the East and West, i’A!

[@FatmaBOmer]

this isnt the topic at hand.

[@thairinkhudr4259]

Inshaa Allah. I don't believe democracy is the best governing system anyway, it's never perfect and there are many, MANY ways for democracy to be misused and abused by the social class who holds more power. Democracy is only a smoke screen for the masses to think everybody has power but it will be hard pressed for the majority to vote for the good of all people.

[@OriMoscovitz]

​@@FatmaBOmerbut it tells you everything you need to know

[@syafiqsya465]

Good points

[@thairinkhudr4259]

Good job Dr Maszlee Malik 👍

[@Nyx7787]

❤Thank you Dr. Malik!❤

[@unmuktyatree8200]

Do whababi sect [truest.closest to the book] consider Malaysian's Muslims or Munafiq?