Oxygen Not Included - Turn The Volcano Into a Battery!

[@Christian-jc6gf]

For anyone viewing this video today, you can't use more than 150kg per tile of phosphorus gas, or the volcano will become overpressurised. Also, Wheezeworts were nerfed

[@ДенисМалышок]

so i gues we have to have some pump which will not melt and some automation)

[@gryphonayres6626]

Maybe put the reservoir on the top left side, like a 9 volt battery?

[@sam11182]

Wheeseworts need to be constantly fertilized with phosphorus now. Gotta have a delivery to a storage bin for autosweepers now to keep them going

[@Talon323]

Did it evver occur to you that wheezeworts h-eat thermal energy?

[@meepchiche001]

10/10

[@ioangauss]

Holly crap you make me remember my steam turbine lessons while I was working for GE ^^

[@PyrokineticFire1]

you can clean polluted water by feeding it into steam chamber. setup backup for water out of turbine w/pipe sensor to detect the backup. that releases the backup & opens polluted water valve. build it short so it backs up quick & dumps frequently. wide swings in the mass of water/steam in chamber aren't good for maintaining a steady power output

[@F34R_Flo]

Brothgar u can add a bleed gate to a third chamber that is cooled with ice machines to drain unwanted heat in the bottom chamber so ur phosphorus gas back down to phoshorite

[@F34R_Flo]

You could use a tungsten 3 door lock as the heat sink between the two

[@TheLive100]

Have you planned to do an ICE Map challenge? with like -100degrees everywhere?

[@Talon323]

That'd be cool

[@alexsiemers7898]

A map cold enough that you have to melt oxygen ice to breathe

[@CryptolockerMD]

@@Talon323 congrats on being first

[@THEBEYONDFOREVER]

I just seperate it into two chamber but I build it next to the Volcano, and the Volcano chamber is vacuum, I just let the magma touch the heat transfer tile( only 3 tiles). On the right chamber, I just let the steam turbine water output drop on top of the heat transfer tile. When the magma turn into ig Rocks, I just use the sweeper on the left chamber to pull the ig Rocks to the right chamber and drop it right below the water output of the steam turbine, when the water drop on the Ig rocks it will increase the temperature again.

[@OfNoImport]

Took forever for me to get it implemented in game but this is really sweet. I'm currently draining the heat off of a buried volcano so I can clear it out. The really difficult part is going to be venting out all the gas from the volcano chamber after I add the phosphorite.

[@LegendaryGauntlet]

While it's dormant, get a liquid lock to enter the chamber, put a gas pump in there and vacuum everything out. Then remove the pump and you can safely add the phosphorite :)

[@ariscop]

Did a quick test after my last comment using the lava biome, just tungsten plate tiles above lava, it worked better with no shift plates at all What you want is that rain effect when small amounts of gas condense but not enough to form a liquid block Not sure how it works but the result is the phosphor gas is *always* between 280 and 300; with some tweaking it could probably be made to regulate within 5c by balancing the load/turbines with the thermal resistance of the input side This may not work so well with a volcano though, but using the lava biome i built a completely passive steam turbine. The phosphor regulated the temperature so well that there was no reason to use automation

[@ariscop]

Would have tested with a volcano but i couldn't figure out how to spawn one in

[@axeleverttv]

This may not be very relevant and you may already know this, but if you have an airflow tile in a vacuum, then it will not conduct heat at all. I've tried all sorts of fluids and solids, but nothing seemed to transfer heat to them. So they could be used as a platform if you need to hold a hot item without the heat escaping.

[@gonhog4445]

"But let's look at this one because it's educational!" - Brothgar Professor Brothgar! I have a question!!!!

[@christophercurley3999]

Lol I have lots of questions and I don't know where to begin

[@tobymciver1645]

add a not gate, then a buffer gate(set to whatever you want) and set the heat sensor to 'below' to decrease the time spent where the doors are opening and closing. at least, i think that'll work...

[@baseballjustin5]

Just fyi if you dont want to move the cursor to switch tabs, you can also hold ctrl and hit tab to cycle through tabs left to right. And do Shift+Ctrl+Tab it will do right to left

[@Nebulon-B_Frigate_FTW]

There's one major thing I see where your design could be improved that bothers me: You don't have thermally-conductive casing on the left side of the volcano, and you have to have a steel door there anyways, which is thermally conductive! Wouldn't it work better moving that door over one to the right?

[@jacobquevedo2210]

Just yesterday, I changed the old iron volcano design into a volcano design. Keep up the good work!

[@1x4x9]

Since wheezeworts have been nerfed I just subbed in a thermo aquatuner for steam turbine cooling

[@EagleTalonSystems]

ITS OVER 9000!

[@DiverWithTheBends]

I need a science accuracy update. Also, if you had a good conductor of heat that transfers heat fast but removes heat slow, with a slower conductor that removes heat much faster, could you theoretically power multiple steam turbines with one refined metal volcano? *Science compels you*

[@Val1111Mr]

Did you notice that smart storage compactor are really good at exanging heat with surronding tiles, in a void atmosphere i use an autosweeper who dump into a thermium/steel storage suronded by metal tiles and with a couple of heat exange tile. The only down side to this method is that autosweeper is getting hotter and hotter (bacause of the lack of athmosphere)

[@guyclykos]

They should really add in the ability of thermal shift plates to transfer heat from machinery themselves.

[@Val1111Mr]

@@guyclykos That's sad even the wires don't heat up that's kinda weird. I tried to build a room that periodically fills itself with cool hydrogen and after that, i remove all hydrogen to recreate a vaccum before reopening the room.

[@zefnoly9147]

Very usefull. My recent save I spawned with 3-4 of these vulcanoes on the same map. Started tapping on already to decrease my need of coal and petrol. As I havent been able to find any natural gas vents to rely on. Been useful so far.

[@unknowunknown9096]

Thermal couplers are a real thing that measure temperature

[@teux01]

Take a drink every time you see "Made a mess"

[@CrixOMix]

at the 17ish minute mark, I noticed your steam turbine is only outputting 1600g/sec. It should be 2000grams of water. Did you not have enough steam in the steam chamber to support full running? EDIT: Also, I haven't finished the video yet and maybe you talk about this, but one steam engine isn't enough to handle the DTUs from one volcano unless you allow for wasting heat. By my calculations it will take around 2.5-3 steam turbines to handle a volcano during its active period. Let's assume 1700g/s average output on a volcano. This would be 1700*1601.85 DTUs per sec (1601.85 being the difference between the magma temperature and 125 degrees celcius, which is what it should get down to eventually to run steam. So a volcano is producing a theoretical 2723kDTUs per second during its active period. A steam turbine can handle about 878kDTUs per sec to give 850 watts. So you can see that one steam turbine really can't handle a whole volcano on its own. Eventually you're either going to be building up heat in the magma room or running the steam turbine above optimal temp.

[@chazz0418]

so i could use my volcano to power a steam turbine(850W max). OR use it to make petroleum at 10kg/s which can make 10 KW of power. O the choices

[@ArnonJr]

chazz0418 and take co2 and polluted water from petroleum haha

[@chazz0418]

@@ArnonJr I know right, love brothgars content. But no one should ever use this

[@CryptolockerMD]

or you could do both? keep in mind plenty more turbines can be added to the system, as only a fraction of the heat is being used.

[@chazz0418]

@@CryptolockerMD true but it would take 12 turbines to match the power, and you still don't get CO2 and Pwater. Which is huge that Pwater is basically O2. The metal volcano version he made was much more useful, even if the design was not as efficient as it could of been. Like I said, love brothgars content this isn't me bashing him, I've been watching since the AD cap days. Just this design/idea is not nearly as good as just making a petroleum boiler with your volcano.

[@agentbarron3945]

@@chazz0418 He does it because its fun, not because its the most optimal, sure a crude oil burner is hella efficient but its also fun to set up lesser steam turbines, plus its incredible the amount of heat they are able to delete

[@ehydra._.1385]

Wow thx for the video

[@KittenyKat]

I'd love to see this revisited in the current build, if you haven't yet. If you have please link the updated video so I can check it out!

[@Kitsune_Dev]

You have to be careful, make sure dupes don’t pick that Igneous rock up

[@patrickmoore5317]

With all the heat talk we do. I would like to see an ice cube challenge. Have all the map cold or colder outside the starter biom.

[@EternalFireseal]

Hmm.. Looking at this, I have to wonder how much of an impact the mass of the igneous rock will have in the long term. The overall heat would be about the same, but it seems like it would take longer to spread to the steam?

[@epiccollision]

EternalFireseal you sir are correct you have to maintain the heat of the mass not cooling down

[@TheStigma]

@Brothgar I think you are making a lot of problems for yourself by having the volcano be at the bottom of the chamber. Both because you end up with material on neutronim you then have to work around + you can just add a sufficiently large reservoir of water beneath it and let the lava drip down. Now you can easily create as large of a thermal battery as you want just at the cost of a bit of space. As long as the water mass is sufficient to absorb a round or two of eruptions you can just add more as needed (since steam effectively takes no extra space the more of it there is). Maybe I am missing some crucial point, but that seems like the obvious low-tech solution to this problem that would also be efficient.

[@happymann1000]

You are right. It is a rube goldberg machine to be fair. And with water as the thermal mass you can have collectors to pick up your material made out of gold or better steel placed in the water as the water only ever reaches 100 degrees max before it converts to steam. As long as you have enough water the neutronium does not matter. Maintain the water level and you can collect whatever is being produced.

[@ashurroth6585]

Could you save even more power and create a heatsink for the turbine by adding another chamber on top of the turbine and putting a polluted water holding area there? If the turbine room gets over 100 you purify water for free and the excess heat from the turbine has someplace to go. That puts the maximum out put to 970 watts (850 + 120 savings from not having to run a sieve). You could then run that water to an electrilizer to get oxygen and hydrogen and produce even more power :)

[@ashurroth6585]

This would also save you some metal because you would just run insulated pipe back to the steam chamber since you wouldn't need the radiator, or wheezworts contraption anymore.

[@ДенисМалышок]

fkn genious!

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

Head hurts...... Why can't anything be simple...

[@afetogbokenpachi]

have you ever tried using aluminum or lead for the liquid / gas for volcano? As a liquid aluminum is better then lead but lead flashes at a lower temp and is better as gas. maybe have a layer of each for the different stages of heat. Also I think it would look cool when it goes through the stages of heat.

[@Verdekiwi]

can you place more steam turbine to maximise the electricity output? if you really want to spoil a volcano, how many turbine can you plug there?

[@gryphonayres6626]

A new video? Meep doesnt even know yet!

[@MsKatVlogs]

please turn this in to a blue print! I've tried to follow along but I think I've missed something somewhere :(

[@dragonheart9965]

I notice that you are able to build at least certain tiles over a volcano. Is it possible to build a door over one and if so, to use it to 'turn off' the volcano if it begins to completely overwhelm the system?

[@dragonheart9965]

@@brothgar just thought, could you use a door as a valve, to allow flow between a chamber with the volcano and the chamber with the turbine/whatever else you are using it for? Assuming you have a material with a high enough melting point?

[@fahrimertdincer8421]

@@brothgar if you drope sand blocks to volcano they can stop to volcano?

[@stevedrevik7940]

I tried this design, but my steel doors acted like insulators- I could not get heat from the glass layer to the metal tiles, the doors and metal tiles remained a chilly 25 degC. I tried getting rid of the doors, but my resulting steam room was too big, and I never got hot steam into my turbine. Mini volcanos appear to take a LOT Of tweaking!!!!

[@epiccollision]

Steve Drevik if you’re door acted like insulators then you have a mod affecting the doors

[@ericab3919]

Wait whys phosphorus better than steam? Isnt its thermal capacity lower? I thought the problem was just not enough water..

[@adtp-adogthepro6751]

What would be cool is they added to this game was the ability to compress liquids and gas in special pipes that had the same propertys as in real life ( heating up when compressed cooling when decompressing) than we could make our own custom coolers

[@Latronibus]

Fluids out in the wild in ONI don't really have pressure, so there isn't really a self-consistent way to do this. You'd always have some trick to create a loop to break thermodynamics. Thematically, the thermoregulator and thermo aquatuner presumably have something like this inside them already.

[@adtp-adogthepro6751]

@@Latronibus I know I was throwing the idea out there for pressure like that to be added to the game

[@Latronibus]

@@adtp-adogthepro6751 There's just no way without rewriting the entire game's code to be more efficient, probably requiring porting it over to an engine other than Unity. Even as it stands, the gas model is dramatically oversimplified even on the normal high speed and sometimes results in absurd outcomes on super speed. Plus, once you get into pressure, now you probably want to get into equilibrium between a liquid and its vapor, which probably means you need to get into multiple types of fluid per tile (since a pool of water is in equilibrium both with its vapor and with the *other* vapor above it), and now you've multiplied the time to run the fluid simulation by a factor of at least 2. This would render a base like Brothgar's Ultimate Automation Challenge completely unplayable.

[@adtp-adogthepro6751]

@@Latronibus ok I see it is a cool Idea and if you think it breaks the game I would almost disagree you just make something so it could have higher pressure from 5kg to like 50kg would be an interesting feature you don't have to add the heating element to it but understand that we can have high pressure of gas if we could transport more in the pipes or be able to store more liquid in a space 2 if you are afraid that it will break your base tuff luck updates tend to do that you don't have to update the game

[@Latronibus]

@@adtp-adogthepro6751 1. Higher capacity pipes would be cool, I agree with you there. But you probably would just use them with special pumps that can move bigger packets or something like that. There wouldn't really be pressure per se anywhere. 2. You were talking about heat and pressure right from the start. What are you actually suggesting if you're talking about removing the heating element from pressure? 3. It's not about the particular base that would break, it's about the scale of the bases that wouldn't be able to run anymore. I just used the Ultimate Automation Challenge as an example of a base that's already a bit laggy but playable. Grind This Game has some better examples of prohibitively laggy bases in recent versions of ONI.

[@dunning-kruger551]

Sulphur gas may be better?

[@shachar2]

I'm wondering how many steam turbines you can run off of that single volcano when it's putting out heat.

[@rocksfire4390]

if he could capture all the heat, it would be roughly 3,200,000 DTU/s and each turbine can delete 877,590 DTU/s thus 3.6 steam turbines ROUGHLY not to be confused with exactly because it's a game and who even knows if it's all running perfectly as intended.

[@shachar2]

@@rocksfire4390 thanks

[@rocksfire4390]

​@@shachar2 if you want a easy way to figure out yourself the ONI-assistant geyser calculator is your best friend here. fill in all the information of the volcano, you can also set your target temp (exit temp of the material).

[@shachar2]

@@rocksfire4390 is a volcano guranateed? Can't find any in my game

[@cheako91155]

195c for min temp @ 5 ports. Isn't that depending on how much steam per tile at the ports?

[@matthewprince6157]

Yeah, sour Gas. I have a large store of that and I've got no clue what to do with it.

[@SteinarHusby]

I finished the video before commenting this time! you can't answers my questions ahead of time now! what about recycling the heat from the steam turbines? Is it worth putting in a thermo regulator/aquatuner for that? how many steam engines could you cool and run off a volcano with either?

[@bengoodwin2141]

Is it possible to get the igneous rock out automatically with just steel stuff?

[@ktpktpktpktp]

Use auto miner inside volcano chamber!

[@faustaodoxvideos3944]

I guess it produce enough temperature to run more than 1 steam turbine

[@TheTmshuman]

I didn’t know why I’m listening to Charley Sheen’s cousin talk about a video game.

[@mistere2135]

For those of us playing in survival mode, where does phosphorous gas stack up in terms of density in comparison to the other gases? I could see this being a very dubious process getting this thing set up without the luxury of god mode

[@rocksfire4390]

just suck all the gas out with a pump first (make sure you don't completely uncover your volcano) once all the gas is out dump your phosphorous material in using any method you like. if you already uncovered your volcano, it would be best to just cage the volcano in and let it over produce liquid, once it's blocked itself you can start to cool the liquid down until it turns into a solid thus covering it up again (blocking the volcano). then you can do what i said above. you can cover up your volcano (like i said above) wall in EVERYTHING then seal off the room from the outside, with everything covered in a solid all gases are destroyed. now make sure you have a water lock and then you can just start clearing out the area from the water lock area. every tile will be a vacuum, quite honestly i think this is the fastest way as it doesn't involve any pumps or pipes or wires, it's just dupes building walls and then breaking them down after all tiles have been filled in and you have your water lock setup.

[@ErzengelDesLichtes]

How would one do the wheezewort automation now that they can’t be planted in pots? Farm tiles done care about doors under them.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

mercury is thermally a good liquid/gas for volcano chamber (better than phosphorus i think) but no clue where to get it. space??

[@Nebulon-B_Frigate_FTW]

It's not in ONI.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

@@Nebulon-B_Frigate_FTW mercury is available in sandbox mode & it's in the in-game database. but thx for confirming my suspicion that it's not implemented (yet).

[@sebbefreak8347]

more satisfactory thanks

[@troxinium8410]

@Brothgar Could you use this setup with a minor volcano?

[@Ginopinzon]

Looks to me like its easier and faster to just make my own materials rather than fighting with a volcano

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Pretty much haha, but he has fun with ridiculous and complicated designs you'd never actually use that have simpler counterparts that give you way more power, but aren't as fun to mess with I guess

[@SaturnusDK]

Isn't the title misleading? While not technically untrue that you could call the set up a battery, or just a power source really, it is certainly not the general definition of a battery in the game which is something that you can send excess energy to for later use. I think such a set up where you can turn solar power into steam that you then send to steam turbines as needed instead of a massively large battery bank would be much more interesting for the viewers.

[@BluePhoenix467]

I think a way to use the volcanoes effectively without destroying half a biome/base is way more interesting.

[@SaturnusDK]

@@BluePhoenix467 There a lot of ways to use a volcano. Power should really be a by-product of an actual good use of it, and not the focus. To name a few actually valuable uses for a volcano: crude oil cracking, natural gas cooking, metal refining without a metal refinery, and regolith deletion or conversion.

[@joshwagner4368]

I don't think he means a functional battery. He had the final build encased in tiles so it kinda looked like a battery. He says just that at the end.

[@masonp1314]

Wouldn't it be best to have just an excess of phosphorus, and have a pool of liquid phosphorus underneath the volcano?

[@masonp1314]

Also, how could this be redesigned, to run two steam turbines at once? It'd be neat to see this be modularized so you can just plug in as many turbines as you want

[@ariscop]

Unfortunately you can't really maintain a pool, liquids in oni don't "boil off" like they do in real life, its either all gas or all liquid Would love if they changed the game so liquids did gradually biol, or even add vapor pressure or similar, but thats probably not viable at this point

[@GeekzAnonymous]

How do you fertilize the wheezeworts after this is all set up?

[@chinjoka7418]

this is old video. that time wheezeworts didn't need anything. just cooling

[@GeekzAnonymous]

@@chinjoka7418 Yeah, Wheezeworts are kinda useless after the nerf now.

[@HungryHunter]

Why use the heat to make steam if you can use it to make petrolium or even pure iron! just drop some oil or ironore on the vulcano heated floor and harvest the results. Let doors cut of the heat and use water to cool down. The steam that comes out can be use to make power but the main goal is to use the heat to melt and transform.

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

I worry seeing those automation wires and the mechanized airlock being made of steel and not niobium or thermium :O

[@barabas7136]

what's the point in automating the wheezeworts?

[@EternalFireseal]

You don't want things to get too cold. Having the steam condense into water in those radiant pipes would be pretty bad.

[@scandilad5152]

@@EternalFireseal It's already water in the pipes right? Would be bad if it froze though.

[@EternalFireseal]

Whoops, yeah.

[@nedaltrebor8553]

To keep the water return as high temp as possible.

[@jiribu6819]

y not ask klei to increase turbine maximum power output cap , its obvious that we can now produce far more power , and maybe also another reason to increase it , is so we can push the limits and get AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE out of it , otherwise capping it wont do much. after this , question that is left , what to use that power for. what im curious about , is that this game has no gas splitting mechanic , for example water steam at 1300 deg C split in to oxygen and hydrogen, that mechanic was not added.

[@DrRussian]

Id assume splitting and fusing elements would be on the to-do list, but behind other things that the game lacks

[@ItsMe_G]

Why yo dont ahve a list of ALL experimet you have on OXYGEN ???? you only have playlist of the Megabase series and othre 1, MAKE a list with all the videos on TESTMODE.

[@JarlenMcfly]

why not just build a water reservoir you can open/close when ever there is water need. kinda like a damn

[@EArkham]

! Made a mess

[@diamondjub2318]

WARNING! This video gets STEAMY

[@спасительсталинУфы]

Hey

[@guacamole6901]

How can I spawn a Volcanos in the Debug Mode?

[@hansdampf640]

make a template from a map with a volcano

[@KaladinVegapunk]

@@hansdampf640 what's the hot key he always uses to copy paste creatures/dupes/items? He's not using the debug copyier

[@epiccollision]

Odin Satanas spawner tool won’t spawn a volcano though.

[@der_schweizer_244]

meep betrayed me!!! how can he do that?

[@princessrandom8564]

Hmm, interesting, I didn't understand a single word

[@ShiMusume]

Oh sudden sponsor in the middle of the video? xD Cheeky. But, ehhh I like HumbleBundle anyway. For the sake of science I've been wanting to try something with Oxygen Not Included. Everything has a solid, liquid, and gas form right? What about duplicants? Can a duplicant be melted down into a liquid, turned into steam, and become solid again. If so what would the solid material be, what properties does it have, and can we use it efficiently for anything at all? Sure, it's a dark thought but these are duplicants, the race we've caused to live on their own pee in the past.

[@ShiMusume]

I thought the timing was funny. I know all too well why you get sponsors.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

@@ShiMusume haha yeah you can see in their info they have a melting point, it's in the thousands, & we know they're made of goo So I'd imagine that would be the solid I didn't know you could actually achieve the temp to melt them though hahaha, that's hilarious it crashes the game Of course you would have tried it bud, master experimenter that you are

[@sunRay04]

666 likes?, dude.. u ok?

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Haha I mean, it's an arbitrary number? Are you some superstitious cult member from the dark ages? I mean, the number of the beast in christian mythology is actually 616, they just didn't update it since everyone already knew the first one

[@noctiluca59]

First ten minutes 11 times.

[@gamezxtrem3348]

20 mill grams

[@carastone1897]

He's cute.

[@jasonchapman2092]

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[@Retrenorium]

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