Makita BRUSHLESS Reciprocating Saw - 18V DJR187 & 18x2 DJR360 - inc. Bloopers

[@errolkim1334]

Higher voltage means you are drawing fewer amps for the same power. For example: To generate 500w of power, an 18v system needs to draw 500w divided by 18 volts = 27 amps approx. A 36 system would need to draw only half that ie. 14amps approx. This means your batteries have longer run time and longer over all lifespan.

[@shifty277]

errol kim this is well explained!

[@jayross6588]

Yes, that is true, however it doesn’t make sense for them to add another battery without increasing power.. Makita didn’t just lug on another battery so the user would have a more bulkier tool just to add another hour or two to its battery life.. If the same motor is running off 36v (if it even has the same motor) then the motor will have more gas so to speak. I am of course assuming as there are no direct and correlating reviews on these two. I did though, on the other hand, see two reviews where the 36v beat the 18v in cutting test when measured side by side... I have the 36 on the way and will definitely compare to my other recips, however I just can’t let go of the idea Makita would go to this trouble (also adding more weight to our tool) just so the damn batteries would run a little more cooler. It just doesn’t make “business sense”

[@princenoah21]

Then why do DeWalt Flexvolt batteries give less runtime when used with a 60v max tool?

[@taunokekkonen5733]

I think you'd use those extra magic pixies to increase power i.e. torque?

[@chrissydenham6668]

Regards from the Cornwall in the UK...Always enjoy your REAL reviews. Had good service from the brushed saw, this is a step on I would say. Can't see the point of the 36v machine if you don't have a power increase though, when you could just swap out the batteries. Heavier too. You guys deserve more subscribers. Cheers. Look forward to the next!

[@OZToolTalk]

+chris sydenham thanks man, appreciate your support!

[@tranceaddiction]

Finally! a BL receip saw that will compete with the milwaukee fuel sawzall. Nice review!

[@OZToolTalk]

+PrimeMechCo cheers mate!

[@baxterferrier1748]

i have been waiting to see someone do a review on this. its going to be my next toy for sure!

[@OZToolTalk]

+baxter ferrier sweet! tell us how it goes for you.

[@whitacrebespoke]

I have the single battery brushless it’s ok does all what we ask of it. I set out to get the twin battery but couldn’t find one here in the U.K. at the time so hence the single battery version.

[@caterpillar5574]

Great review probably my next toy :)

[@clam741]

My bushing wore out in less than a year of everyday use . I cut screws on window frames . 18v version

[@OZToolTalk]

dang :/

[@vegassasin]

Can i just say that adding cutting compound ( rocol, trefolex, etc) when cutting steel will extend blade life, battery runtime and no doubt increase speed of cut. Im looking at grabbing one of these bad boys though! still undecided on which one!

[@OZToolTalk]

I always use it when drilling steel. I've never seen it applied for a reciprocating saw cut though, do you think it's practical? I don't think it is personally. [Dwain]

[@michaeljbrady3385]

Good video 👍 I just bought a makita multitool 51z. Don’t think they do brushless ones for makita or do they?

[@OZToolTalk]

Not that I know of

[@Kosmonooit]

Does the 36V model delver more power to the cutting blade? or is it just longer run time

[@OZToolTalk]

not in my testing, no. just longer runtime.

[@jayross6588]

Oz Tool Talk did you measure your cuts with a stop watch or decided on feel? One reviewer said they didn’t feel much of a difference during testing but when they looked at the results, the 36 came out on top on every cut test

[@draytonPW]

The 36v Recip I got here in the U.S. doesn't have an adjustable shoe like the one in the vid.

[@jonasausiura165]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipzWmn-fnrdmoKs It appears the 36v is quicker to cut but the difference might not be noticeable since the time we are talking about here are milliseconds. If the recip is designed to run longer but at the same power output as the 18v, then the two batteries connected wouldnt turn the tool into a 36v tool, it would remain an 18v just with the batteries set up in parallel.

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] Makita definitely say its running at 36V. That doesn't ALWAYS mean more power, it depends on how the motor is configured of course. I've heard several other (trusted) sources that that the 18x2 does have more power in some tasks. But my testing didn't find it...

[@jonasausiura165]

Thats interesting, I really dont quite know what to think of this 18 v 36v, theres a lot of conflicting info out there and Makita doesnt say much to make it clear. But yea, that makes sense what you are saying, if there is a power advantage, its probably nothing to brag about. Cheers, keep up posting great vids

[@OZToolTalk]

Cheers Jonas.

[@joshuawarrington1051]

How long till we see a 18x2 impact wrench

[@terrygoyan]

The only reason I can think for using the dual battery tool is if you're working under a house and cannot easily get to extra batteries. Good for plumbers. Since the performance appears to be the same as the single battery tool, maybe the batteries are wired in parallel. That would make it a 18 volt tool with two batteries rather then a 36 volt tool. Hmm?? Could be deceptive advertising from my favorite tool company! Good work as always Dwain!

[@OZToolTalk]

+Terry Goyan. I agree in terms of usage. I think the voltages ARE being added to 36V, but that doesn't mean that it will be drawing more power necessarily, it could pull less amps and give a very similar output (Watts).

[@terrygoyan]

Hi Dwain. Greetings from the San Francisco Bay Area! It appears you're correct about the voltage. Just went onto the US Makita site and it says the two battery slide compound 18 X2 saw is 36 volts. Must be set up in series...I would still expect twice the run time over the single battery tool!

[@EmreYazgin]

I bought this today (single battery brushless one), tried to cut a 40mm by 30mm steel tubing with 2.5mm thickness and it was VERY HARD. Was the material too thick for it or is there a certain technique? Also, it burred and made the included metal blade useless after managing to cut just one tubing.

[@OZToolTalk]

Hi Emre. Cutting metal make take a bit of getting used to when first starting on a recip saw. A few points. As much as possible, you want 2-3 teeth in the thickness of the metal, so you're looking for a blade with decent TPI (teeth per inch) for 2.5mm steel. It's also worth noting that there are LARGE differences in the quality of blades out there. You want to reduce the 'bounce' as much as you can, by keeping the recip saw hard up against the material, and keeping the workpiece from moving.

[@EmreYazgin]

@@OZToolTalk Thanks a lot! And I noticed people starting from the corner of a square tubing to cut. I think I went parallel to a bigger side..I will try your suggestions, thanks :)

[@ashtonlowe6761]

looks like a teal coloured milwaukee would be good to see it up against the fuel which is a great saw

[@OZToolTalk]

+Ashton lowe it feels very similar to the FUEL really.

[@ashtonlowe6761]

+Oz Tool Talk I must admit makita has been really excelling with there new gear

[@OZToolTalk]

yep!!

[@Mondo-mp8zu]

Great reciprocating saw from Makita. I'm disappointed in the 36v not being more powerful and just adding long longer run time. Great review. #TIACREW

[@OZToolTalk]

+Mondo 1310 Thanks man!

[@jamespatton1694]

dying to see this vs the fuel sawzall

[@jerryhoskins3926]

I second that!

[@redstihl9027]

I agree, challenge the red with its 9.0ah pack!

[@Elzypalz]

Would be interesting but it only matters if you have neither kit and are hinging your purchase soley on the recip saw. I have Makita so for me it really doesn't matter. For me, I live in the NorthWest and work in the rain alot. Makita has XPT, and handles the rain well, mine and my buddies Fuel impact drivers died first time in the rain and was weeks before getting it back from warranty.

[@jamespatton1694]

I too am a makita user just thought it would be fun to see how they stack up against each other. Milwaukee has always had the best recip saw so was wondering if this one has what it takes to beat milwaukee, just for fun not to switch brands, I prefer makita

[@AliG-yk7hc]

mi delamo galamo

[@neremodeling5956]

great review. I've been wanting this for a lonnnnnnngggg time. can't wait for them to hit the shelves in the US. I'm not suggesting you spend your time doing this but I would be curious to see a runtime test comparing the 36v to the 18v. does the 36v actually last twice as long or is it smarter to just have 2 batteries and the 18v and swap when they die. I'm also surprised the 36v doesn't have additional power.

[@OZToolTalk]

+NERemodeling yeah that would NOT be a fun test to do ;) but I only get a lend of these, so can't anyway. thanks NER

[@neremodeling5956]

+Oz Tool Talk I agree. Talk about a time commitment and a forearm workout!! I can't help but drool over these darn sawz

[@TheColinputer]

Ive got one of the DJR187 saws, and have to say i love it. I also have the current Milwaukee Fuel and would find i would have to carry that and milwaukee batteries aswell because the older brushed Makita units were lets just say rather crap. I do think Makita missed the mark on the 18x2 however. I dont own one but have used it for a couple of hours. And it really doesnt seem to be much more powerful than the 18v And i personally would rather just carry another battery either in my pocket or bag or something. I have to say too, if you get a chance to get your hands on some of the Diablo carbide tipped recip blades and pair them with either of these they just chow through stuff likes its no tomorrow! Overall great review!

[@OZToolTalk]

+TheColinputer [Dwain] Lucky duck, the DJR187 AND the Fuel. Awesome saws...

[@alyoshapearce5985]

Only the voltage go's up to 36v the amp hours stay the same so it's 36v @ 4 amp hours so that 144 watt hours

[@OZToolTalk]

+alyosha pearce correct. It's equivalent to 18V @ 8Ah = 144Wh. That was my only point, because there's no extra power that I can feel.

[@TRUE_GR1T]

Been waiting ages to get one. Still aren't available in stores or online anywhere in North America as far as I know. They are coming soon though...finally on the makita Canada website. My old makita cordless recip is holding up fine but I'm definitely going to upgrade since it's one of my most used tools.

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] for sure, it's a massive upgrade. Glad they're getting out there. Even in Australia, it couldn't be bought as a skin for a while, only in kits.

[@victorfeliciano6094]

like to see a video on mafell p1cc jigsaw / just to see how good is it. and WHY does it cost so much money? anyway nice video.

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] sorry Victor, we don't get Mafell here..

[@aarondcmedia9585]

Love it when an Aussie is doing a video - great to hear our accent.

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] it is a nice change right?!

[@aarondcmedia9585]

Yeah for sure. Good video too - helped me realise the bigger unit isn't going to give any advantage and the smaller one is a fair bit cheaper, so thankyou.

[@tgifdad7977]

how does it compare to the fuel

[@OZToolTalk]

+Joe Montague i haven't done a head to head, cos i don't have the FUEL (Mike has one). I think it will definitely hold it's own against the FUEL....

[@jackstratton9734]

The djr360 would still be 4ah, the as it is the smaller battery so would be depleted first, the ah isnt added together to make 8 ah. as the battery's are connected in series to make 36v the ah says the same, if they were in parallel the voltage would stay as 18v but the ah would be added together to become 8ah

[@OZToolTalk]

+Jack Stratton yeah, i would just trying to give users an idea of how the machine can't make use of the extra juice in the 5Ah. As the 18x2 doesn't give any extra power, I think/hope that it gives the equivalent of 8Ah @ 18V with these two batteries.

[@jackstratton9734]

+Oz Tool Talk just looked up the specs of both tools and there's no difference, does the x2 cut any faster? If not what's the point. I know the sds 18v x2 has a bit more capacity than the 18v

[@dominicvanlievenoogen6407]

+Jack Stratton Double the runtime. The only difference. So the normal 18V one is the one to get !

[@OZToolTalk]

+Jack Stratton as dominic said, it gives a runtime difference only. good if getting back to your batteries/charger is a pain on your site (i.e. in a roof, under a house, far from power)

[@jackstratton9734]

+Oz Tool Talk yes. I get that I was just correcting on the the fact that the amp hour rating doesn't double

[@loadapish]

What does brushless mea n?

[@OZToolTalk]

without brushes ;) google it, it's beyond me to explain well. [Dwain]

[@rpaull3]

More powerful, more run time. No moving parts on motor other than bearings.

[@OurBuild]

How's the thumb mate :)

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] haha, all good. Hurts like a bastard though doesn't it? I haven't done it in ages, so was funny to get it on camera...

[@anatolyiastureg2146]

DJR360 Makita has a 36V motor installed, and Makita DJR187 has an 18V motor Yes or No?? If not, then this is not a powerful saw, but the same as with one battery!?

[@OZToolTalk]

yes, they have different voltage motors. Also, it is absolutely possible to get more power out of a motor by drawing from two batteries at once.

[@renatorahal9387]

Somebody knows if this is ever going to arrive in the U.S? if yes when? thanks!!

[@OZToolTalk]

(Mike) +Renata Rahal I can't believe you dont have it yet ! Call your local dealer and get them to press the rep for a release date. Not sure why it's taking so long.

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] it's coming! www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-Reciprocating-Saw-Tool-Only-XRJ05Z/206953978

[@renatorahal9387]

they don't have it available unfortunately, won't deliver it either...since I am here I wonder how this compares to the milwaukee brushless fuel sawzall thank you!!

[@OZToolTalk]

[Dwain] I believe it's coming soon. The FUEL and BL Makita recip saws are both amazing.

[@ITubeTooInc]

Thanks for the review. Speaking of the Makita 18Vx2 line, I would really like to see you do a review of a Makita 18Vx2 (36V / 40Vmax) lawn mower and compare it against the EGO 50.4V (56Vmax) lawn mower you tested here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZojQgWRtm9xjZqc Makita has two different widths of 18Vx2 lawn mowers: www.makita.com.au/products/category/lithium/lithium-ion-skins/18v-x-2 I would also like to see a review of the Makita DCV860 18Vx2 mobile dust extraction system. I really like the idea of using the same batteries for both regular power tools and gardening tools, so you don't have to invest in two different battery platforms, each with their own chargers and batteries. Li-ion batteries slowly dies from ageing whether or not you use them or not, especially when stored fully chargers and even worse if stored at high temperatures. So by having only one battery platform, you don't have two sets of batteries slowing dying, but just one, which makes it a lot cheaper.

[@OZToolTalk]

+ITubeTooInc [Dwain] cheers. yeah I also like the idea of a single platform, but I think there are downsides to that as well. Unfortunately we probably won't be doing heaps of 18x2 gear, because our access to Makita is fairly limited. But I'll definitely keep an eye out for those units :)

[@hassasinali7979]

It's a major uck up that when one battery goes the other will too.

[@victorfeliciano6094]

thanks anyway

[@mikejallorinamiketech]

i hate makita that made in china, i wonder how come that this model: JR18DZ from Japan is made in china, while the model: DJR187 from USA is made in Japan. what a shame for makita.

[@Fekillix]

They have lots of factories, I have a Makita Jigsaw made in England

[@whitacrebespoke]

Makita manufacture all over the world, I have japan, China, USA and England tools from them. But if you hate Makita for making some tools in China you must also hate Milwaukee, dewalt, Bosch, Hilti Hitachi and lots of others that are making in China. While a lot of junk is made in China it makes the tool affordable as the Labour is cheaper. I hate that fact but it’s true.

[@HanaBasara]

@@whitacrebespoke and many are made in Roumania 🙋

[@whitacrebespoke]

@@HanaBasara I’ve not come across Romanian made Makita but why not. If makita set the quality control it shouldn’t matter where it’s made.