I'm an animator in the United States, and went to an animation college where we were taught in traditional paper animation. Here, the pegbar (tap, here it's called pegbar) is placed on the bottom of the lightbox, and you hold the paper between your index and middle finger for the top piece of paper, and between the ring and middle finger for the middle sheet of paper. This is to flip between the drawings. Flipping is the same, 1-3-2, since you're working on the inbetween on top (the drawing between 1 and 3, 3 being the middle sheet of paper). The reason for it is speed, it's faster to flip casually like this, though the visibility is a bit lower than the Japanese flipping method.
@DustinHern5 жыл бұрын
I've read that Disney animators put the pegbar at the top as well, and that the practice of placing it at the bottom came from Warner. Do you know anything about this?
@jaswiki5 жыл бұрын
@@DustinHern yes I have heard about this. From what I've read most if not all of the nine grumpy old men who founded Disney animation worked by having the pegbar on top. Richard Williams in his animation survival guide book quizzed one of the men when he was still learning if I'm not mistaken, and he gave his reason for doing it this way while giving his opinion on why he thought the more modern method (bottom peg position) was impractical. I remember reading somewhere that Warner taught all their animators that way so it is possible that may have come from them. Though I'm not sure. I'd like to find a definitive source as to who started using this method. Interesting nonetheless.
@DustinHern5 жыл бұрын
@@jaswiki I don't remember exactly where I read this, but I'm pretty sure my source didn't go into so much detail. It's an interesting topic indeed. Thanks for sharing.
@jaswiki5 жыл бұрын
@@DustinHern You're welcome! Likewise. I haven't read Richard Williams book in many years but your comments made me think of this small section of the book. It might be worth tracking down a copy and finding the exact quotes/conversation that was documented in the book if possible. As it may contain the right historical context you're looking for! Otherwise you might be able to find some interviews online from Disney or Warner Brothers animators during the period where they started using this lower pegbar flipping technique. (1970 - 1980 roughly if I had to guess).
@DustinHern5 жыл бұрын
@@jaswiki The book is on my to-buy list.
@YoshiKirishima5 жыл бұрын
OMG this is awesome!!! I was always thinking it'd be great to have a series on animation like this, starting from the very basics. I LOVED the videos you guys made on tap wari, in-betweening, key frames, clean up, etc.!
@DustinHern5 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to teach myself animation at the moment, and this series has been an incredibly useful resource. I'd like to thank Hinoe-san for taking the time to share his knowledge with us. I look forward to learning more from this series. Now I'm off to practice my page flipping!
@ZaikobonAnimation4 жыл бұрын
this is a really great experience. I didnt even know the Bitween is the first page when u do this. its weird but I understand why after watch this video. very cool!
@boonimax22385 жыл бұрын
Este canal esta lleno de sorpresas e información sobre dibujo y animacion impredionantes!!!!!!
@yadongon5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! This was super helpful!
@_dmon_5 жыл бұрын
I’d love to learn more about “in between” animation, or “clean up”.
@gabiwand5 жыл бұрын
As always so many usefull tips ! Thankyuu
@mohamadazizi90804 жыл бұрын
The video was very helpful, thank you💙
@dingosan7025 жыл бұрын
Muito obrigado pelos vídeos sobre animação ❤
@nef362 жыл бұрын
"Outside Japan, people put the tap on the bottom" Please tell me what psychopath would draw with the pegbar on the bottom lmao
@MalakaiXed2 жыл бұрын
Disney animators lol
@JuanThaSilva Жыл бұрын
Me. >:)
@jmalmsten5 жыл бұрын
I think one aspect of difference that was overlooked here is that in general, japanese tend to animate with papers on a loose peg bar on a flat desk. So I guess they tend have their head under the middle of the paper if my wording makes any sort of sense. This would probably contribute to the tendency of having the pegs at the top. You are sort of looking up at the image already (the eyes, that is. The head is physically over the paper of course). The americans tend to teach and work with pegs firmly mounted on a circular platter inset into a nice almost vertical desk so you can sit more upright. So the head is above the image and the eyes are rolled down looking down on the drawing. So having the pegs at the top would put them in the way for line of sight. So it becomes more natural to have the pegs on the bottom and flip pages from the top. That's my theory as an amateur animator who have not had the pleasure to work at length with either method. I've done most of my stuff digitally so my left hand is on a keyboard flipping backwards and forwards with buttons. I've been tempted to get a pegbar and holepunch for the standard acme holes. But while I can find pegbars kind of easily, holepunches are a different matter. We are talking about like $300 for a generic holepunch from amazon ... And I'm not in a position where I can spend money on frivolities like that when I already have a nice Cintiq... :/
@jaredjurado13925 жыл бұрын
Now I finally know how to animate in my school we have this Task for our computer class which is animation digitally
@Thewolfguys.cartoons20005 жыл бұрын
I wish this guy should work with Disney because I really miss 2d animation so much!
@kevinsupreme_ph36yearsago593 жыл бұрын
Do most keyframe animators still use paper to animate while in-between animators use digital drawing tablets?
@shivamnarayan12135 жыл бұрын
How to make zoom in and zoom out animation in both analogue and digital pls tell me.
@olgierdvoneverec41355 жыл бұрын
Im not a pro and Im not sure if it is the standard so hoppefully someone can correct me on this. but usually for traditional animaton, you draw or paint the background from far away in a bigger size as you would normally do and just move the camera away when transfering to film, for a period of time they also used multiplane cameras, so layers could move independently, but they last used them on the little mermaid, not sure what they did after. For digital it would depend on wat program you are using, but in both cases the key is knowing perspective and what goes in and out of the frame, be careful with the level of detail, that it is only high where you need it, or you are going to expend hours on end for no real reason.
@OscarTorresWork3 жыл бұрын
Where can I get the pegs that you place paper on? Also what animation paper do you use. I live in the USA. Thanks for these videos we need more animation tutorials love these.
@positiveproductions66993 жыл бұрын
Before this video I didn't even know there was animation paper as a thing
@najdiy4 ай бұрын
What's the function of page flipping paper in animation making?
@wayrou2136 Жыл бұрын
What is the standard equipment to draw on? It looks like he has his tap and paper resting on just a whiteboard? Is this a lightboard or a special type of drawing board? Do you really just have your tap and paper loosely resting on a flat surface and this works for drawing and flipping etc.?
@segaoldschoolsega925 Жыл бұрын
Can you apply this to digital hand drawn animations , if that makes sense ?
@Anuj_Jadhav12 Жыл бұрын
How do they transport page sketch to computer?
@Digitialjunki9 ай бұрын
They use something called a downshooter, which takes pictures frame by frame and then uploaded to a computer
@TOKZyt4 жыл бұрын
Please what paper is use in the video and the light? 😊🇵🇭✌
@WybloxOfficial4 жыл бұрын
cool
@maryannaguilar57784 жыл бұрын
Hi! Can I use your video as an example demonstration of page-flipping in my e-book?
@davidaaronartist3 жыл бұрын
Gracias
@JuanThaSilva Жыл бұрын
Gracias.
@wilsonsolano55445 жыл бұрын
Saludos desde Ecuador
@exo-l85635 жыл бұрын
Ilove it😍But I didn't understand anything😂 ،The second 😆
@aaclovern98045 жыл бұрын
You can turn on subtitles using cc button on yt's menu bar
@exo-l85635 жыл бұрын
@@aaclovern9804 oh!*THANK YOU* i forgot it 🤦♀️
@Waynimations5 жыл бұрын
It’s all about the page flip
@harshmondal79335 жыл бұрын
I find it strange , y in animation art we need to draw the 1st frame and the the last one and at the last one will be the in between , i mean i know it is easier to do when the finished frame is present but inbetweens are draw at last because it takes more time ?
@virtualarmageddon62324 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you are confused about in regards to inbetweens but the reason we do it this way is because you first plan your "key frames" in the story board phase. You draw your key frames first and then you draw the movements between those key frames to get it to move smoothly between each. Key frames are like, the poses that are most important to hit so you want to get them done first, everything else is a journey to those important parts. I'm not sure if this makes sense or not, this is just roughly what I've learnt about it in my animation class.
@issasareea84334 жыл бұрын
What’s the paper called ??
@newtoatheism59683 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried to flip but my animation paper keeps crinkling
@olgierdvoneverec41355 жыл бұрын
I just find the pegbar at the top unconfortable when i flip, altho if im honest i usually use left and right arrow on my keyboard to do so, i feel i can better look at the motion with pegbar bottom, another reason for why disney animators do it like that is because they have tilted (almost vertical) desks (unlike japanese who ofthen do it on flat tables), it is easier to see the drawings this way, doing it pegbar top would get tiring after a few hours.
@edwardgris328 Жыл бұрын
Where can I get a flat lightbox like that? I don't like the slanted ones that the American animators use.
@edwardgris3289 ай бұрын
A whole year and no one knows? Where are these Japanese animators getting their lightboxes if you can't buy them??
@n_ajalah51035 жыл бұрын
How to be a animator?
@madjidchouarbi39215 жыл бұрын
rifaldi junior First, learn the technique. I recommand you the book Cartoon Animation by Preston Blair it's not expensive at all and gives you all the basis you need and more. Then do your homeworks : train hard to be good, and after some times, try to make your own shorts. Good luck !
@godfrey44615 жыл бұрын
@@madjidchouarbi3921 Thx for the awesome advice.
@madjidchouarbi39215 жыл бұрын
Godfrey 44 You're welcome my friend. I'm glad you find it useful.
@rogercrownover59503 жыл бұрын
.............And the USA animators table is at a 30 degree angle or thereof and so when we use the bottom pegs and flip 1-3-2 method we can see without using our heads in the way as stated here...................boo on this person for an us vs. them comparison is what alot of are humbly suggesting
@richardmika21365 жыл бұрын
japanese do everything upside down heh wish i could find a metal peg bar
@DustinHern5 жыл бұрын
You can get cheap ones on Amazon, but I would actually recommend plastic if you're going to get a cheap one. These cheap metal ones are made from a soft metal with no "springiness", so they bend easily and are impossible to straighten. They also ship very poorly packaged so yours might show up bent already before you even get your hands on it. I decided to get one of them just to a) see if it was any good or if it's just garbage, b) get some practice in before committing to professional grade materials. After using it for a while, I also feel like the middle round peg is a bit too large so it sometimes damages the paper, and the slots are too narrow so the paper has room to wobble around. Maybe it's supposed to fit that way, maybe my paper is the culprit and not the pegbar. Lightfoot Ltd. sells high quality ACME pegbars but they cost quite a bit more than the Chinese ones (USD $25 vs $7) and you'll pay a lot for shipping if you're outside the USA, but if you're dead set on a metal one, I'd urge you to skip the cheap option. My cheap Chinese one certainly works, but I'll be getting a legit one from Lightfoot soon. I would not attempt to travel with this flimsy one.