Why 2D Animation HAD To Die

[@deznkhata]

Studio ghibli is proof that 2d animation is still relevant, it's a style that shouldn't be forgotten entirely but embraced for it's uniqueness

[@MaxIronsThird]

The Ghibli we know is mostly not a thing anymore.

[@chibicreepypasta]

​@@MaxIronsThirdI beg to differ, it's still a thing, Miyazaki recently released The Boy and The Heron back in July in Japan and it's scheduled to come out next month in America. In addition, he's to come out of retirement as of last month to work on more projects so, Studio Ghibli is STILL a thing

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@chibicreepypasta I said mostly, Miyazaki was retired before this movie for over a decade and probably retired again after it. Also the studio has even tried dipping their toes into 3D, which was a ridiculous clusterfuk.

[@JedidiahRose1]

​@@MaxIronsThird Shinkai has been doing incredible work for a while now in terms of big name creators out of Japan besides Miyazaki, and there's fresh Animé film and television every year in general in 2D hand drawn form. I dare say Japanese artists and creators are pushing the form to the most dizzying heights we've yet seen.

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

@@chibicreepypasta Miyazaki's been on the verge of retiring since before Princess Mononoke came out 25 years ago.

[@uchihabomber1296]

Man 2D Disney was so great plus I’ve always felt that it gave so much more personality too

[@GRAFRU68]

i can't imagine Lilo and stitch outside of 2d animation... everything was done so beautifully and it made the film so vibrant, memorable and endearing...

[@emmabarrow6509]

Think ages better

[@Elcoonn]

Its called nostalgia

[@onepresence9460]

2D Disney was very special. Personally, i loved their post-Renaissance movies like Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Emperor’s New Groove and Brother Bear 👍

[@StewartFletcher]

2D also doesn’t really age, whereas CG ages almost immediately

[@velociraptor4you3291]

2D hand-drawn animation must *never* go extinct, I’m a firm believer in that.

[@RainbowMan9407]

Agreed.

[@rosverlegaspo6752]

It is not extinct, it is just not the go to medium for animated theatrical (Hollywood) films. Outside that, 2D is still a well represented medium, even more so than 3D.

[@Gettinsketchyonbourbon]

You can still do rigging with hand drawn animation

[@velociraptor4you3291]

@@Gettinsketchyonbourbon Interesting (🧐)!

[@velociraptor4you3291]

@@rosverlegaspo6752 Encouraging!

[@SpiritaeliaWolf]

2D animation is like the worlds greatest magic trick. Everything you see, every frame, every blink, movement of hair, everything, was a concious decision made and physically created by the artist. They breathe life into a drawn image, and it’s incredible. 3D does this too, I guess, but 2D is much more personal, hands on, and special. It baffles my mind why some people don’t respect it even half as much as myself.

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

I think everyone respects 2D. If anything it’s 3D that deserves more respect since everyone seems to see it as just the inferior replacement to 2D.

[@nicksorenson940]

@@rakoonshampoo2608 What 3D animated movies have been for a good decade and a half is a *threat* to the future of 2D movies, even if mainly because of the studios wanting to make it come to that. It wasn't until Disney's own 2D movies became affected that I really started to see it for myself, and any of my appreciation and interest in 3D movies only gradually went out the window over time when I can't be expected to want to still appreciate something that studios have wanted to turn into a literal agenda at 2D's expense. I started out with an open interest in those early 3D movies from Pixar as much as I already loved all the 2D animation of Disney, but this whole attitude shift that came later in the industry only led to me caring less about 3D anymore with my only interest today being in 2D animation's future. And by that I mean a future for *traditional* 2D animation, as opposed to the cheap motion tweening animation that's started making up 2D for our cartoons on television these days.

[@soysource3218]

@@rakoonshampoo2608 I agree

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Enormous Boobs

[@shcdemolisher]

@@rakoonshampoo2608 In the modern age, both need and deserve equal respect.

[@KirbyLinkACW]

It's worth noting that 2D animation really only fell out in North America. Even putting aside Japanese studios like Studio Ghibli, 2D animation is still going strong in much of the rest of the world. Ireland, France, Spain and even Russia have all had award winning 2D animated films in recent years. The North American company GKIDS literally exists to collect these films from all around the world and present them to America in their purest form.

[@argonionlaser488]

Except it didn't. Cartoons are still in 2D

[@orangeslash1667]

@@argonionlaser488 Yes but he's talking about animated films.

[@HasufelyArod]

Soyuzmultfilm is now thriving.

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

Does any studio you talk about have billion - usd movies? The first animation get 1 billion usd is toy story 3. 2d movies are for low budget. Low budget movies don't do well at box office

[@MrAnt-sf2sk]

@@VuMinhThuFPLHN Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba - The Movie: Mugen Train Budget: 15 Million Box Office: 507 Million

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Just because Disney wants something to die It doesn't mean it has to

[@eko9554]

But how come you aren’t telling other studios like Dreamworks to make 2d films again

[@tarnyowl6068]

Beacuse dreamworks made like 3 2D films while disneys animation was literally built off it and pioneered 2D animation.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Indeed. There's room for both.

[@greentree211]

tell that to all the moms

[@TheStrangerSpeaks10]

Enter: the Japanese.

[@nuggetsnicole4851]

The emotions in the faces of those 2D characters is unmatched. As a 90s kid I miss it dearly

[@Shadow-fb2ec]

Just watch anime

[@kennethsatria6607]

@@Shadow-fb2ec Depends on the anime but that is the right answer yea

[@nuggetsnicole4851]

@@Shadow-fb2ec already do🥰

[@Wi11-doger]

Same

[@nicksorenson940]

@@Shadow-fb2ec It's not always as simple as saying "just watch anime" when western 2D animation such as that from Disney or WB in the past has always had its own sort of style and feel to it that you just don't get from anime, and vice versa.

[@seandunham2693]

This video completely ignores (hopefully not intentionally!) the darker reason that 3D was embraced so quickly and whole-heartedly by the corporations. Greed. Traditional animators had many long held union benefits and standards from their almost century long existence. 3D animators, however, were not under those protections and could be worked harder and longer for less money. You only have to look at events like the closing of Rhythm & Hues Studios, who completed the award winning Life of Pi and then immediately went bankrupt, to see how the new animators get treated.

[@zwenkwiel816]

not only that. even if you pay them the same a 3rd artist can get a lot more work done in the same amount of time. like just looking at cost per frame 3d tends to be a lot cheaper than 2d.

[@Jymboslicx]

​@@zwenkwiel816thats mostly for low budget 3d animation most of the time 3d is more expensive than 2d

[@rosverlegaspo6752]

Still, if 2D animation does rakes in money, it should still have survived despite the unions. It just have to compensate for the cost. Money is still money and if 2D brings in money, then it should satisfy their greed. But 2D, well at the time when 3D was rising, just doesn't. Maybe, many people just look down upon 2D animation. There has always been this "animation is for kids" mentality at it seems to affect 2D animation the worst.

[@fcv4616]

I didn’t know that, but unfortunately it’s not surprising. It makes the death of 2D animation even more tragic.

[@stephen12holbrook]

I blame the audiences more than the corporations. Disney is a business, and the point of a business is to make money. Princess and the Frog made substantially less money than any 3d movie that came out at the time, and that's because the majority of people wanted to see 3d movies more than 2d. It sucks because I personally prefer 2d, and maybe you do too, but apparently most people dont feel that way ):

[@korliyon2283]

Both 2D and 3D are great, but in my opinion, there's something magical in 2D that can't be imitated in 3D. Perhaps it's because 3D is saturated with details and shadowing, while the power of 2D lies in its simplicity.

[@assassin8636]

Everyone loves details right and it's not saturated

[@tsurugi5]

@@assassin8636sometimes less is more

[@stellanovaluna]

I honestly prefer 2D animation, but here're some counterpoints: Spiderman: Into/Across the Spiderverse TMNT: Mutant Mayhem The Mitchells vs the Machines Puss In Boots: the Last Wish Pinnocchio (by Guillermo Del Toro) All 3D animation, (though the last example is stop-motion, not CGI,) that is all magical in its own right. Plus, there's also The Amazing Digital Circus, which does the 3D style on purpose to emphasize that they're in a cartoony CGI simulation.

[@achuuuooooosuu]

⁠@@stellanovalunaThe trend recently is combining 2D elements in 3D form. The Peanuts Movie and Captain Underpants are also good examples of this. Honestly, it's the best of both worlds.

[@stellanovaluna]

@@achuuuooooosuu I know that. In fact, most of the examples, (with the exception of Del Toro's Pinocchio,) that I named are a combination of 2D and 3D animation. They're just mostly 3D, which is why I simply named them "3D animations". I still, however, prefer animations that are almost entirely 2D.

[@AlexanderSuppermann]

2D animation is not dead. It's alive. And it always will be

[@echidnanatsuki882]

It's because of Anime

[@dreamguardian8320]

I hope you're right.

[@AlexanderSuppermann]

@@dreamguardian8320 At least, at tons of low budget TV show are made in 2D style. Fortunately there are also so many ways to made 3D looking like traditional animation. Spider-Vers the best example ❤️

[@Cinematicians]

b/c the very definition of "animation" is to give something life. I like your thinking!

[@gablit-gt8kk]

But modern animation has turned into calarts

[@extra4542]

The massive popularity of Anime proves that 2D animation is far from dead and in fact thriving and I’m someone that RARELY watches them (like 1 or 2 a year). I’m often more impressed by the dynamic frame by frame animated scenes and stories of anime than those present in the loads of generic 3D animated movie coming out in the west these days. There’s so much style that can’t be translated into 3D models the way they can be portrayed in 2D. It’s why most ppl complain when anime incorporates CGI models. The 2 can coexist, its only seen as outdated in the west bc Disney says so and screw what they say, everything THEY touch dies and they’re collapsing further every day

[@Spartan0430]

it's basically like when EA declared that single player games are a dying artform. and then stardew valley was released. there's nothing wrong with 2d animation, as you pointed out anime proves it's wildly popular, it's just disney doesn't care anymore... which would be a tragedy if it wasn't disney.

[@khaimk4r4su]

Good thing Disney is not the world; i love that so much that thought of Disney suffering for losses due to their bad decisions makes me feel alright. I do wish them best, but they don't speak for the world of animation

[@Ranger1812]

@@khaimk4r4suThey have a monopoly so I hope they fail. They need to be split up.

[@sonmarsha69]

​@@Spartan0430thank god they realised people actually do want single player games such as fallen order

[@Spartan0430]

@@sonmarsha69 mhm, i still refuse to support EA but at least they (only barely kinda sorta) realized they were wrong about this. hopefully disney, for the sake of their fans, also makes the same realization. kids shouldn't be denied grand hand-drawn tales just because some doofus in a suit arbitrarily says 'no.'

[@PoolKid75]

The fact that computer animation can be made faster and cheaper than 2D animation is both its strength and its weakness. It can be made faster and cheaper, but that means that less planning and less effort has to go into them. 2D animated movies were such a big investment that the script, story, characters, casting, etc. all had to be spot on to ensure a return on investment. Now, they can pump out crap without giving it a second thought.

[@zwenkwiel816]

maybe that's why the best 3d animations tend to be the ones that use a lot of 2d fundamentals like into the spiderverse or Arcane. like it's still 3d but since they use so many fundamentals from 2d they inherently spend more time and attention on the important frames and shit.

[@ExtremeWreck]

"It can be made faster and cheaper, but that means that less planning and less effort has to go into them." That is literally just Wownow "Entertainment" in a nutshell.

[@peterroe2993]

I would say the opposite. Cheaped production means more resources can be invested in script and writing. Ideas can be made tried and scrapped.

[@PoolKid75]

@@peterroe2993 they're not though, they're just pocketed.

[@nicholasfield6127]

Ya, look at Illumination.

[@thetruej7872]

I miss hand drawn 2D animation

[@Sandman2007]

I miss good stories.

[@Blukat2-pb8lx]

well there's a lot of indie animation on youtube, Lackadaisy is a good example but there's many others

[@Vicic_]

Thank you Cody rhodes

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

I don't even like any 2D animation very much.

[@irighterotica]

Me too.

[@ronoc9]

I think Cuphead did a great job of revitalising interest in 2D cel animation, but also showing it can still find new uses. And even the online space has an army of animators regularly getting millions of views a month.

[@Inky_doodledoo]

Both the game and the show did it so well

[@Mouse_056]

The fact that they also made it old-cartoonish makes it even better

[@c.d.dailey8013]

I know, right? Cuphead fascinates me. I haven't played it. However I have seen bits of game footage. It is so cool. Another example is Paper Mario. Mario is a huge video game franchise. It usually uses either 2D sprites or 3D cg models. That is typical for video games. Paper Mario is different. It looks more like 2D drawing on paper and cardboard. As of the time of the comment, there is a remastered Paper Mario game being released on the Switch. Now I want to buy it. It is worth checking out. There is a lot of hope for 2D animation if it is going to be used by a major video game franchise. It is interesting that 2D is used for a video game instead of a movie or TV show. I am good at drawing. I am also interested in game design. It fascinates me that they can go together. I can draw on the computer using Photoshop. I recently learned that I can save character drawings as transparent PNG files. The character is visible but the background is not. Then someone else can put my drawings in a game engine. The engine can be either Godot or Unity. I haven't made a final choice on which ones to use. This kind of thing blows my mind. Maybe something like this can catch on.😊

[@butterskutz]

It's kinda hard for me to miss 2D when 2D is still alive today in the indie circuit. So many phenomenal animations on KZbin for example are 2D, kept alive by people who love the medium and keep it alive. So, no, I don't miss it. I love it, and am glad to still see it today

[@butterskutz]

Shoot, that's not even including beautiful works done outside Disney or DreamWorks. Cartoon Saloon, Studio Trigger, Mappa, Ghibli, Kyo Ani, and so many more are proof that 2D can still offer more, even when combined with 3D animation

[@Xenderman]

THIS!!! Too many people think 2D animation is dead and go "I miss 2D animation" but what they're really saying is that they don't watch things outside of Disney or mainstream 2D. And I guess in the mainstream, that's kind of true??? But not really??? I'm glad someone agrees that 2D animation is alive and there's no reason to miss it.

[@ladynaette]

Thank you!! All these people acting like Disney-Pixar and DreamWorks are the be-all and end-all of animation.

[@faifad]

Absolutely! I'm almost tired of people complaining about Disney when they put zero effort in searching for what's happening outside that studio. If they would they'd see there's alot of great creations out there.

[@Labyrinth6000]

Examples?

[@milkiassamuel780]

Im a profound advocate for the power of animation regardless if it may be hand-drawn animation or computer generated 3D animation as they are both are branches of a beautiful art form, representing the evolution of animation and how both have a place in today's world. Animation will always be evolving, growing and experimenting. As long as that art form is utilized well and never exploited, it will never die.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Yeah I think the only problem is that people forget its just two different mediums not an upgrade or a downgrade.

[@CaptainMarvelsSon]

Once Upon a Studio did an outstanding job of mixing the characters as they originally were designed instead of adding extra shading to the 2D characters to make them look more modern or dumbing down the 3D. What helped it feel like the characters belonged together was the use of shadows while in the real-world environment.

[@dillonohlemiller401]

Once Upon A Studio just proved that they CAN go back to hand drawn animation if they wanted to. They just don’t want to

[@batman5224]

I was born in 1995, which means I was too young to see most of the Disney animated films in theaters, and only later discovered them on VHS. I do remember seeing Tarzan and The Emperor’s New Groove, which were some of the last 2D films produced. After that, my generation was only served digital animated films like Shrek, which were good in their own way, but I wish 2D had survived.

[@TheBeretTalks]

Born in 1997 here and my sister in 1999, we both feel you. My sister's favourite movie is Princess and the Frog and mine is Mulan. While we love all Pixar, we love it when our local cinemas re release animation or animé.

[@HandsomeSteveJacobson]

1990 kid here it was really the last great decade of everything entertainment

[@renevanderwesthuizen1520]

I was 6 when the little mermaid came out and 11 with the Lion king. So I was literally part of the target audience when the Disney Renaissance ruled and I won't lie.. It was a special and magical time to be a kid. Because we were surrounded by the hype and the magic and everything that was so amazing about Disney in those years. It's funny. As I grew into a teenager and started losing interest in comics or animations for a while, I kind of grew up with the slow demise and loss of this Disney magic. It was like really growing into adulthood and losing that childhood spark while seeing Disney losing it's spark at the same time. I initially thought it was just me growing up.. But then I realised Disney was actually losing it's magic. Of storytelling and what not. I'm 40 now and those Renaissance movies are at the top of my list of favourite movies and I reckon this is why most of the older millenials feel so butt hurt by the live action remakes. Modern Disney is killing our childhood nostalgia abd basically telling us that our childhood eyes and perspectives are bad and outdated. Whatever.

[@haloslayer255]

1993 here, just turned 30. Check out Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Treasure Planet. If you want Anime, search for Urusei Yatsura the original anime is from the 1980s, it also has a reboot from mid 2022 and the next season and last season releases in 2024!

[@ilikeoranges2044]

There is still 2d animation in some series or outside Disney, but it's mostly made on the computer and everything is more normal and very lifeless for something animated. I miss the expression and ridiculousness of traditional animation too.

[@KishyTheFishy52]

I love 2D Animation, Disney should bring it back, I have been amazed at how amazing Anime is and how beautifully animated it is.

[@echidnanatsuki882]

Unless the cost of making them is cheap like most Anime Episodes tend to be in Japan, it's never happening.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Even if they could cover the costs (which, let's be real, it's fucking Disney. They obviously can), the talent needed is no longer there. Professional 2D animators no longer exist. That's the same reason why we can't build Saturn V rockets anymore: Nobody bothered to record the insane anount of hand-crafted knowledge that these professionals had in their heads, and their technical skill is all but lost. Yeah, computers can approach something similar, but ultimately, every little trick and the solution to every little problem has to be rediscovered from zero. And we have much cheaper methods and technology now, so, professionals with extensive specialized knowledge are obsolete anyways.

[@hedgethewedge]

Fun fact: Chip, Gadget, Zipper, and Monty in the Disney Plus Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers weren't 2D. They was actually 3D, but they tried to make the 3D look like 2d with the lines, flat shading, and less frames.

[@sonicfanboy3375]

That's called Cel Shading

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

To be fair, Dale takes on a realistic CGI style for most of the movie, and considering jow he interacts with Chip, the latter being fully 2D would probably lead to them notninteracting right during production.

[@Slychosis.]

It can happen again. My goal is to open an entire hand drawn animated studio, cel animation included.

[@TheStrangerSpeaks10]

How close are you?

[@mohammedbologi5388]

@@TheStrangerSpeaks10 hopefully he's really close I pray fro him cuz dat would be cool

[@Slychosis.]

Shopping it around now and recruiting animators. Have been championing the style as a lost art and have 2 hand drawn music videos; Garden Song Animated Phoebe Bridgers and Age Difference by Christian Lee Hutson. Im going to create a crowdfund next year to make it a reality

[@swiatowidciesslak6249]

Let ma know, if you do. Syrously. I'd might to work for you.

[@mysticalteration498]

Me too! But with some 3D elements like "The road To El Dorado" and "Treasure Planet"

[@QBG]

The French animation studio Fortiche has put Disney/Pixar (and every other animation studio) to absolute shame with their series, Arcane. It combines the best modern tools of 3D animation with hand-painted 2D details on top of the models, making an utterly breathtaking visual feast that surpasses anything I've seen outside of Japanese masterworks like Redline and Akira. On top of setting a new high bar for artistic integrity in animation, it also sets new high bars for storytelling in adult animation and the integration of orchestral score and featured musical set pieces. Not since Cowboy Bebop have I seen a series that so thoughtfully melds visual art, music and story into something that's much, much deeper than the sum of its parts. Seriously, if you haven't seen Arcane yet, do yourself a favor and make it the next thing you watch. Just be sure to _pay attention._ A great deal of the story's nuance is communicated through the emotive details on characters' faces, so if you're dicking around on your phone, you're missing half the plot. Yes, the animation is _that_ good.

[@williamherring1201]

For me, it identifies just how divorced many of these stories are to the style of the medium. If you dont employ the style as a tool to storytelling or atmosphere then there really is no need to use a slower, more labour intensive, and expensive style. 2D animation, even digital, remains a powerhouse of style. The scene from the tale of princess kagua where she runs away still sticks with me for how kinetic and visceral it feels; and one if the particularly minor hills ill die in is that style would have been far better for frozen. There are a lot of stories told through film which I think could be served by being a little more willing to lean into style, and make conscious artistic choices with that in mind. 2D us now just one option amongst many for this.

[@slimskull2467]

Let's be a bit more specific 2D died in the US 2D in Europe and Asia is still unbelievably strong It's just the fact that studios will go back to 2D if one day, there's one movie in theatres that will do numbers, and I mean stupid big

[@Xenderman]

2D didn't even die in the US it just shifted to indie productions

[@Anttimation]

Very clickbaity title. 2D animation has not died, just changed its form from feature films to advertising and such. And even for feature films there's still Ghibli.

[@BlackAera]

There are still 2D animated movies today. You just have to dig a bit deeper. Try Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, Wolfwalkers, Mutafukaz or Ernest & Celestine

[@danielellis6327]

I saw it and it looks good

[@sonicfanboy3375]

These are sadly not made by big Hollywood studios like Disney 😢

[@fixedfunshow]

Unicorn Wars

[@abhiramakella7146]

And _The Bob's Burgers Movie_ .

[@naniyotaka]

​@@sonicfanboy3375 More like not sadly because if they would be made by big corpo, they wouldn’t be as good as they are.

[@xepfeon]

3D animation isn't the the bad apple in the basket, it's how it's used that matters. My favorite animated film is also my overall favorite: Spirited Away by Hayao Miyazaki

[@TJ-hg6op]

There is a ton of awesome 3D movies, it’s just sad it’s used for a lot of crap movies, although the same can be said with 2D.

[@theworldisajojoreference8342]

God, Spirited Away is so good. Easily my favorite movie.

[@tcpratt1660]

@@theworldisajojoreference8342 I got to see both Spirited Away and The Boy and The Heron at the theatre last year...the third of the films I saw in the theatre last year was a film that definitely wasn't in the pink - it was called "Oppenheimer"... ...three films, all having won Academy Awards - not a bad year for me :)

[@CrazyLinguiniLegs]

I miss traditional animation very much. Some of my favorite animated classics include Robin Hood, The Sword in the Stone, Snow White, Peter Pan, and The Great Mouse Detective.

[@dreamguardian8320]

I miss the 2D animation done by legendary Don Bluth.

[@ultimatumdweebium2965]

try watching the movie Akira, your jaw might just drop

[@dhdxbbehedhb1136]

Most anime movies still implement traditional animation

[@alexiacaceda1421]

2D Animators draw each frame and you can see how they poured their heart and souls in all the scenes. The character acting from this type of animation is absolutley superb, the emotions expressed by those drawings are just superior to 3D. Watch any disney 2D movie and compare it to the 3D animated movies and the difference is clear.

[@jaredrblx4940]

3d animation just needs more time to develop in my opinion just look how its evolved over the last decade and now with films like spider-verse it really shows the potential of 3D animation, The expressions have improved, the movements, and the rendering along with mixing with 2D in ways you can only imagine how good it could be in another 10 years. So i dont think nether is fundamentally better both can be just as good with enough time and effort

[@alexiacaceda1421]

@@jaredrblx4940 I agree however 3d animation shines in movies like spider-verse because it's an action movie. 3d excels at special effects and movement, that's why we were all astonished with the snow magic in frozen and the great explotions in poss in boots 2. However 2d is the best at capturing human emotion and expressions, which is obviously better suited for the type of movies disney makes. The way traditionals animators talk about the character's journeys is very deep, as if they have formed an emotional connection with them

[@tsurugi5]

@@alexiacaceda1421spider verse is awful, tired of people pretending it’s somehow “revolutionized” modern animation when all it did was inspire a slew of imitators copying how they purposely turned everything choppy, added eye rapping colors, which pretty much made the whole thing a headache to watch

[@marcush7884]

After viewing the thumbnail, knew this would focus on Disney and western animation film industry. Vastly overlooking animation from the East, like anime, and television animation from streamers. 2D animation never died, but the segment of the industry that shifted to 3D are the ones struggling the most now.

[@mattwolf7698]

These things almost never touch on that. People over here scream about "2D being dead" but ignore anime

[@APPictures9]

I think an important reason why 2D Disney films were declining was because the stories and characters just didn’t grab audiences like the ones from the 90s and before with the exception of Lilo & Stitch (which also had a modest budget compared to the other Disney films). Like, tell someone the plot of Home on the Range and The Incredibles without saying the medium that they used. Chances are, people will say Incredibles sounds better. Jennifer Lee did say recently that the studio is open to making another hand drawn film again in the future, so there is still hope.

[@jmhorange]

I'd say part of that's half true. Yes the stories of the 90s weren't very good. But exciting new voices gravitated to 3D animation. If you think about Incredibles, a brilliant director like Brad Bird went with telling his story in 3D. He could have went with 2D, but the exciting new world was 3D. Also I think one has to realize Disney is a business. A business needs to train people, retain people, make sure they build relationships together, pay the administrative costs of a studio. They also depend on schools training graduates to work in their studios. Once 3D came out, you saw students being trained in 3D instead of 2D. A studio like Disney had to decide, are they going to pour resources in fitting their studio with computer technology. That's an enormous cost, including your staff mastering those tools. So there was no way Disney was going to make 2D and 3D movies at the same time, would be an ineffective business model. Where would animators from one medium go when animators from another medium is making a movie? If you lay them off, will they return or just take their institutional knowledge to another studio? Also let's not forget for the entire history of 2D animation, there were other mediums of animation, stop motion, paint on glass, sand animation, etc. Stop motion was sometimes used but by and large, 2D was the most economically efficient way to produce animated movies with all the infrastructure and workforce ready to keep it running. Then 3D animation came out and was more economically efficient. I think you can make it about this CEO or that executive making a decision, but stepping back, it makes total sense why 3D took off to become the dominant medium of animation like 2D animation was before it.

[@sebastiankulche]

I would also say that it applies to 3D as well.

[@maillardsbearcat]

Anime is holding a beer. Or however the kids deliver that punchline.

[@caetano1998]

Anime has been taken over by 3d animation and computer animation too

[@Elge703]

@@caetano1998 LMAO are you kidding me? Theonly 3D things in anime are the backgrounds and that's not all the time btw. And yeah there are some 3d anime but they still look good but you're statement is wrong.

[@SnagKing25]

Hahahhaahhahahahah

[@Confussed-Oddish]

Because 2D animaition was unionized while 3D wasn't, which meant they could pay animators less for 3D animation. That's the real reason for anyone was wondering.

[@Sandman2007]

Ya mean actual competition? Sounds good to me.

[@mina_en_suiza]

@@Sandman2007 Wage dumping is not competition. It's class warfare of the capital against the working class.

[@Sandman2007]

@@mina_en_suizagatekeeping by unions is also anti-competition. Any one at Dreamworks or any other non union firm are free to come and go as they please. Unions create rigid s to standards and not insensitive innovation.

[@Xenderman]

@@Sandman2007 found the union buster

[@pwn1ngw4ffl3s]

​@@Sandman2007 i too think workers should be exploited for the benefit of someone elses capital! /s, if it wasnt obvious

[@minixlemonade2335]

The amount of people who don’t differentiate or know the difference between cel animation and 2d digital is incredibly disheartening

[@gregorsamsa2271]

Frustrating! But it's often intended by them, so that they don't have to adress the core criticism.

[@bigt1574]

I personally prefer the mix of 2d and 3d in works like Spider-verse, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, and Arcane. It's the best of both worlds imo.

[@Darthtanos]

i have always preferred 2d hand drawn animation. there's just something there that has never once been captured by 3d or computerized 2d animation, and it's really hard to put into words what it is. it's something about the way everything moves that is just so different and just hits different with elite 2d hand drawn. feels like there's more life in it somehow.

[@ookazi1000]

It bares noting that a major reason 3D animation is cheaper to produce than 2D animation is because 2D animation is unionized and the workers had spent decades collectively bargaining for half-decent working conditions and compensation rates; and with the advent of 3D animation... well, they weren't unionized, so studios were able to get away with worse conditions and compensation rates, thus making them cheaper. 3D animation isn't less labor intensive than 2D: It's more exploitable. And it's no surprise that we're seeing Disney looking at revivifying 2D immediately as unionization efforts in the 3D animation sector are starting to bare fruit.

[@assassin8636]

What's your point here?

[@ookazi1000]

@@assassin8636 Corporations according to current case law in the US have a impossible to fulfill feduciary responsibility to return to their shareholders an ever-increasing maximized profit return on their investment, and any art they produce as product is incidential to that goal. Corporations that commodify art will always use the mediums which they are most capable of exploiting, and if they don't, their shareholders can sue the company and potencially win company bankrupting money. So, if we want to see more art in the less exploitable, unionized mediums, we either have to let the corporation union-bust and drag down the cost of labor associated with producing something in that medium (bad idea) or unionize everything else to bring up the cost of labor associated with producing in those other mediums to match the current par (good idea). The rhetoric that "3D is cheaper to produce than 2D" obscures that what make 3D cheaper for companies to produce than 2D is that they can get away with underpaying their workers more to perform labor in less favorable conditions, and using that rhetorical smokescreen makes it seem like the switch from 2D to 3D was an immutible inevitability rather than a specific consequence of addressable material conditions. So my point is that we can, in making things better for 3D animators, see a revival of the 2D art form: and I believe it's important to acknowledge the reality that underpins that rhetoric: The reason why '3D is cheaper than 2D' is that 3D artists are exploited to a greater degree, and that's a framing which better acknowledegs that something that can be done to change that so-called 'fact'.

[@Xenderman]

@@assassin8636 that the lack of 3D unionization and easily exploitable 3D labor made it more cost effective to the big corporations because it's cheaper than paying artists what they're actually worth

[@Locadel2003]

There are so many excellent gem in this genre. Like the Iron Giant, Spirit, Lilo & Stitch & Treasure Planet

[@thevoicelesswriter]

Klaus and Treasure Planet showed how great 2D animation can be.

[@youtubebobguy]

Respect to the YT Animators still making 2D movies.

[@joshbbglover]

I'm a big fan of both styles. I grew up with the traditional hand-drawn animation, but even the more recent ones, Princess & The Frog specifically, have been really good. On the other hand, the 3D animation looks amazing. There's a half second shot in Moana that is just stunning. When she first tries to leave the island but capsized in the breakers and her leg gets stuck in the reefs, there is a really quick shot from above. That quick shot looks so realistic. If you showed a high-quality screenshot of it, I would assume it was a live action photo. I think the real enemy here is the live action remakes. They're lazy cash grabs that are wholly unnecessary. Let the classics be on their own.

[@assassin8636]

Not all of them are lazy man

[@omegaman2846]

I argue that even though both techniques are capable of beautiful and creative work, 3D seems to more consistently inspire creative laziness and key jangling syndrome in companies.

[@RainbowMan9407]

I don't think that's always the case with fully CGI movies. I do wish someone would take the CGI departments away from live action movies, however, because Marvel is especially lazy as a result of using CGI as a band-aid solution.

[@assassin8636]

3d isn't laziness I'm tired of hearing this

[@Xenderman]

@@assassin8636 same!!! 3D isn't the enemy!

[@V6HAVOC]

People who think 3d animations, or anything that's remotely digital are easier than traditional are braindead. Ofc, digital art is easier than trad art i admit, but that doesn't mean the effort put into each art pieces are any different. 3d has its own cons and pros, same as 2d, it isn't all sunshines and rainbows where you can just sit back, relax, and adjusts a couple keyframes while you're at it.

[@omegaman2846]

@@V6HAVOC look, I felt like most post was clear, but I’ll elaborate. I have no problem with 3D animation as a medium. Obviously it still requires time and talent. I actually do have experience in animation (both 3D and 2D) and 3D is easier in many ways than traditional in terms of what you can do with it and how quickly you can do it. Think about it. 3D animation is essentially rigging digital puppets in a 3D environment. That’s why a company like Illumination can produce so much cheep content so frequently. It’s why there are so many god awful Alpha and Omega sequels. Traditional animation is drawing the same character over and over again hundreds of thousands of times. This is why for half a century, Disney had almost no competition in the theatrical movie department but suddenly tons of competition after the advent of CG animation. I didn’t say 3D is bad, I said in is easier to exploit which obviously will inspire lazy hack producers to create overly messy and creatively hollow projects.

[@quietspark8703]

I imagine the primary problem with 2D was finding artists who could not only animate but do it well, with style and efficiently. In addition to that if a shot looks bad it is far more work to go back and change it in 2d than in 3d.

[@zwenkwiel816]

yeah when it all comes down to it, 3d is just cheaper and more efficient, that's why the suits like it so much. if it were up to the artists we'd probably see a lot more hand drawn 2d though but they don't usually get to make the budget....

[@Rotolutundro]

3D isn't appreciably cheaper... other than that 3D animators aren't unionized, and 2D animators were.

[@LikaLaruku]

They had to work more so they had to get paid more. &if there's one thing large corporations hate it's paying employees.

[@Rotolutundro]

As a previous 2D and now 3D animator, I don't think there's a big difference in how much we work. Just different skills being used.

[@dentallyderanged]

thats not true, even now there are far more 2d animators then 3d - coming from an animator currently studying IDD at college

[@PiratPeter]

The fact about Wish containing the first hand-drawn 2D character in a Disney feature since Winnie The Pooh (2011) is incorrect, as Moana (2016)'s "Mini Maui", the tattoo character, was also traditionally animated in 2D by hand.

[@phillinsogood]

Ok Prince of Egypt is a masterpiece. You can tell they put so much effort into making it as it’s so visually stunning. Plus the soundtrack is 🔥

[@ddandrea]

It's such an underrated movie. I'd love to see DreamWorks make a proper follow up.

[@gmpnj29]

This is a good video, I am a 42 year old, and I grow up on the 2d hard drawn movies and cartoons. They literally showed the hard work it took for the artists to draw by hand, and they look much better.

[@kesidremel9174]

It's such a Beautiful art style, and I have so much admiration and respect for the artists. Disney has the budget to keep the art alive but they don't. So many incredible artists built this art form, and while 3d is also an art form there isn't anything like hand drawn, there just isn't. Both deserve to exist and both should be supported. 2d makes me feel cozy in a way 3d never could (except the lantern scene in tangled, that's a masterpiece)

[@TrayCaddyyy]

Netflix’s Arcane is a masterpiece of combining hand drawn 2D with the CG 3D animation styles.

[@eskimobob117]

Clickbait title. He explains why Disney pivoted to 3D but never addresses why it was necessary (because it wasn't).

[@techwiz90]

I Absolutely Miss 2D Animation, It Inspired My Entire Art Career And It We encouraged Me To Draw And Keep Drawing. My Favorite 2D Animated Movie Is, Aladdin

[@Jarino507]

2d animation didn't "need" to die. The studios just cared more about money than artistic creativity.

[@dreamguardian8320]

(Sigh) The greedy desire for the Golden Touch.

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

Are you saying you don't need money to live?

[@Jarino507]

@@VuMinhThuFPLHN That's a weird way to twist my words.

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

@@Jarino507 so 3d movies are not creative? Pixar is the most creative studio in USA now

[@Jarino507]

@@VuMinhThuFPLHN Both movies can exist concurrently. But since one is easier to produce we've lost an entire art form.

[@kaleezy3432]

2D isn’t dead, thank you Japan❤️

[@K3VINM]

2D animation feels like the pages of an illustrated book come to life. While 3D animation has the characters and setting feel as if their coming out of screen. And with the rise in popularity of experimental animated styles like Spider-Verse, TMNT 2023, Puss in Boots 2, it goes to show 3D is slowly losing it's touch. In the end 2D should never become forgotten, especially back then when these films had incredible stories, and great voice casts. Today it does not matter what animation style is used THE STORY ALWAYS COMES FIRST! Films like Lightyear, Croods 2, Turning Red, Strange World, Teenage Kraken, Minions 2, look great, but have boring stories. If you want an animated film to stand out both story wise and animated make something new and original, and also somewhat adult with kids not wanting to be "babied" into liking something. Also off topic but I hope stop-motion animation comes back. I miss seeing actual physical puppets move on screen. Also during 2011 while critics were mixed with how "Tintin" looked, it was the best motion capture animated film I've seen, that needs to comeback as well.

[@sgtmyers88]

The stop motion claymation movie "Chicken Run" is getting a sequel and I was stoked to discover they are keeping the animation style of the original, that is so rare nowadays.

[@nippz2831]

The Prince Of Egypt still one of the best animations ever though

[@humpteedumptee8629]

It is good. People just be hating cause it’s religious.

[@ON-ry8iw]

​@@humpteedumptee8629 who's hating it

[@JasonExclusive]

Beauty & The Beast and The Lion King were the most perfect animations ever made. From the voice actors, to the side characters and most importantly the 2 best soundtracks in animated movie history.

[@DawnDavidson]

I remember watching Beauty and the Beast for the first time, and saying at the end, “we just watched a classic for the first time.” It was quite striking and certainly heralded a new era of top notch movies from Disney. Sadly, I think that corporate decisions (largely greed) led to the awful series of live action remakes and other rather soulless offerings. Fortunately, we’ve also had Lin Manuel Miranda and the teams behind some spectacular offerings as well (eg Moana, Encanto). It’s been a mixed bag, and I don’t think it’s as simple as 2D vs 3D. But the studios have to want to care enough to pay animators, writers, and/or actors decently, and to spend the time to carefully develop the stories and bring the stories to life. “Fast. Good. Cheap: Pick any two” is a motto they’ve tried to ignore too much in recent years.

[@tcpratt1660]

As far as the animation itself, I can't argue with you too much, if you're meaning the "most perfect Disney animations" - but I think Fantasia certainly merits serious consideration as being better animation than Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, and having a better soundtrack as well. But most perfect animated film as a whole? Limiting the discussion to just Disney, and ignoring Pixar, I must give demerits to anything based on fairy tales (so much of Disney's animation I downgrade, because "based on existing fairy tale" stories just don't resonate with me, and seem to me to be somewhat lazy). So what do I consider to be very very good Disney animated films? Dumbo from early Disney, yes. Fantasia, not quite (the story is rather lacking or non-existent, but the animation and soundtrack are simply amazing). Beauty and the Beast, no (fairy tale story demerit, I can't ignore that). The Lion King, yes. But the best Disney animated film, in my opinion, doesn't have the best soundtrack (but it serves to animate and move the story along very well), the animation is actually very very good (but let's face it, lions and candelabras are always going to appear to be better animation than David Ogden Stiers' mad scientist character) - but captures the spirit of the "golden age" of animation from the early 1940's through the late 1950's perfectly, and has the meatiest story possible for a Disney animated film - Lilo and Stitch. But Scooby-Doo beat Lilo and Stitch at the box office (oh gawd, that was awful - read Roger Ebert's reviews of both of these films!)...so that didn't help Disney 2D animation at all. But, more to the point, the film that beat Lilo and Stitch at the Academy Awards that year for Best Animated Feature was, in my opinion, better than every Disney animated film I've ever seen, and much, much better than all the fairy tale ones - in animation, in story, but perhaps not in soundtrack - Spirited Away.

[@conradojavier7547]

It's sucks that you have to go Japan for 2D Movies.

[@roostre5254]

Why does that suck? Japan is better at creating and telling stories than current Hollywood.

[@elijaholing]

​@@roostre5254Exactly!

[@danielellis6327]

Not really just go watch things from other countries like France or Korea

[@KeyDash753]

Studio Gibli! Past their prime now but they were a force for 2D while Hollywood was giving up.

[@davidtakacs9326]

"What is europe"

[@zanwild1]

Honestly we should take some notes about some of the 2D-3D techniques used in anime. 2D animation on 3D backgrounds can have some really amazing effects and styles

[@brokeninfinitysonic1]

2D is dying…? Hmm 🤔 Anime: still going Studio Ghibli: still going You were saying modern Disney?

[@sillycritter]

all he's focusing on is disney, he doesn't care about cartoon saloon, studio ghibli, or more recent studios like mano animation, he thinks that since disney doesn't make 2d films anymore, all 2d is dead

[@thisguy4505]

Last year I went to the re-release of The Lion King and it completely reaffirmed my belief that abandoning 2D is the worst thing Disney could have done. TLK is a visual marvel, unmatched by anything in 3D animation, and is almost overpowering at times on the big screen.

[@oihandeshayes6751]

Not because it died that we can't make it live again! I'm only 14, but I love old 2d cartoons and I do hand-drawn animation. I'm not the only one. 2d may have another golden age in a couple of decades.

[@Xenderman]

2d is alive and well. want 2D animation? Look up "gobelins student short films" or "senior thesis animated films" or "Lackadaisy" or Zeurel, or Amelia B, Animation memes typically have great animation in them, Music videos like The Wolf, Let's Go, and so many more. It is alive and it is thriving like never before. You don't need to wait a couple of decades to live in a golden age of 2D animation, you're living in it right now.

[@mysticalteration498]

Same here!

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

There are SpongeBob on TV. Of course it's not dead 🤣

[@takamasahoshiyama4090]

2D is already still popular and going through a golden period of international audience for anime. Look at demon slayer movie being the highest ever grossing film worldwide in 2020 over any Hollywood or Chinese film. And the boy and the heron winning the latest oscar for animation despite being one of the last 2D traditional hand drawn animation films. 2D is pumping in Japan and orher Asian countries but not the case in Western world.

[@tecpaocelotl]

Even though my daughter doesn't like the hand drawing cartoons, I do miss it. It's the only time you'll see some pencil marks in a film.

[@Xenderman]

don't worry, It's not dead. Look up "Gobelins student films" or "student thesis films animation" and you'll be filled to the brim with stunning 2D animation in no time. along with indie productions, like Lackadaisy, Zeurel's Monkey Wrench, and indie animators making multi animator projects (MAPs) or animated collabs, or animation memes, as well as music videos like "Delta," "The Wolf," or "Let's go!" 2D animation is absolutely alive

[@nicksorenson940]

Well if you don't want to risk having your daughter grow up with an "all animated movies are 3D" mentality (like these studios have been wanting to force onto us for a whole decade now) then I would suggest not exposing our kids to so many of those movies if we have the experience and responsibility to want to encourage them to know the beauty in traditional 2D animation that our studios today just want to deprive them of.

[@Xenderman]

@@nicksorenson940 can you like stop trying to be the authority on animation? It's getting extremely annoying and it's very clear to me that you aren't an animator

[@videogamecin]

@@Xenderman why? they're right, the new gen only despises 2D animation because they're prejudiced against it due to constant exposure to contemporary 3D animation

[@Xenderman]

@@videogamecin you really haven't met much young people if you think they don't think 2d animation is cool as hell. Take it from me, a young person pursuing a career in 2d animation who sees a ton of young people want to become and look at 2d Animators and animation. You should ideally view a range of animation mediums in healthy amounts. I like 3d animation as a 2d Animator

[@rukawaa2]

So i guess anime just doesn't exist in the Nerdstalgic universe ? Where their box office performances has been growing on a yearly basis? And I think using Disney as the barometer for the medium isn't right, especially in the modern day

[@raisofahri5797]

They focusing too much on us audience,

[@Xenderman]

Yes! I don't typically use Japan as a metric for 2d animation when arguing about animation but really they should broaden their horizons with animation

[@kazyink7187]

Yall just are not picking up what is being laid down. Most Japanese animation...is farmed out to Korea. Because like Disney in the 90's the economics is catching up in Asia. Studio Ghibli is no longer an animation studio...they are a production house. Most of the work is not done in house anymore, been that way for years.

[@jonrosell6971]

The Hunchback of Notre Dam was the pinnacle of 2D mastery. It's sad the Disney execs don't have a single artistic bone in their body, and can't see that their lack of imagination is the true problem.

[@teacherfromthejungles6671]

I re-watch 2D classics every now and then just to remind myself how good things should look like

[@AlienToppedPancakes]

This video seems off. E.g doesn't take unions into considerations. 3D isn't cheaper to make, it's cheaper for the studio not having to pay a fair living wage. Same for anime, where many studios still pay per frame regardless of the time spent. And the Chip & Dale movie is a horrible example of mediums co-existing. Both leads are 3D models, just rendered differently, photo-realistic fur physics and flat cel-shading. When it comes to Wish (2023) it fails to mention which elements of the movie is 2D animated. Cause it's a 3D movie with 2D outlines and effects, just like Spiderverse and Arcane popularized.

[@redalchemy7322]

I was thinking the same thing. I do 2D and 3D work and I can say that it's definitely not cheaper to make by any metric (though obviously there are situations where a the budget for one exceeds the other in some circumstances). There is more specialization involved, more things that can go wrong in the pipeline, requires additional tech to support whatever issues arrive in production, etc. It's a very... generalized statement that seems to ignore some very important underlying variables

[@DerekPower]

Studio Ghibli and the rest of Japan would like a word with you.

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

Ghibli is hand drawing. Rest of anime are trash 2d cgi

[@donovan802]

I viewed this transition from 2D and 3D animation for Disney as something always conflicting. I’ve said it before, but I’m open to a future where both forms of the medium coexist while (A) abiding by what the creators who pitch the movie want, whether based on narrative or how easy it would be to produce, and (B) without one falling into the realm of obsolete or irrelevancy. And I use those two terms very strongly, since Disney’s computer animated films, while most are amazing and some of my favorites (Moana remains a high-tier for me; love Auli'i Cravalho’s performace), have over saturated the catalog with something serviceable but fairly stale nowadays. In the end, I think it should always be up to the person pitching the idea which style will work both stylistically and narratively.

[@gameo7]

There have been so many amazing examples of 2D animation after 2011 when Disney stopped making theirs. I really hope one day we have another renaissance with 2D films.

[@florian866]

Favorite animated movie would probably be Perfect Blue or another Satoshi Kon movie. But for western animated movies, it'd have to be Treasure Planet, especially knowing now how hard it was to get it released.

[@STUniverseINC]

In 3024: Why 3d animation had to die 4D ANIMATION RISES

[@isaiahwilliams2642]

Correction. Wish is not the first Disney animated film since 2011 to feature 2D animation. Both Moana and Ralph Breaks the Internet feature 2D animation, albeit in smaller degrees.

[@Xenderman]

ooh good catch

[@austinmorrison6953]

2D animation MUST NEVER DIE.

[@opalkitty4ever728]

That fish on Chicken Little must be a descendant of the fish man from Krapopolis...

[@NegiTaiMetal011]

I feel that 2D animation has to make a comeback and it mustn't be a forgotten art. Not everything has to be 3D animated, why not have 2D/3D or 2.5D animation?

[@Lucas72928]

6:47 I'm pretty sure that's just a toon shader on a 3D model, not 2D animation

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

That's just textured and unshadowed 3d object

[@Lucas72928]

@@G.A.C_Preserve not quite, it's a toon shader, that's why you can tell it's 3D, because it has two tone shadows

[@timt1346]

The problem with current movies is the lack of originality and good storytelling, not the animation method. Garbage writing and sticking to the formula is the reason Southpark is poking fun at Disney. Executives are too ignorant to realize what they are doing wrong.

[@kookio4284]

I wonder what exactly made Disney contribute their lack of success to not being 3D specifically rather than any other factor.

[@PlushToysChaoticAdventures]

The art of 2d hasn't died. The corporations behind it think we don't want it. Heck I watch old Disney movies with my Disney+ subscription despite modern animation. Drawings are an art, computer animation leaves a lot to desire because although you can admire the graphics you can never appreciate the cartoonists behind 2d animation. Period!

[@robertadler4354]

I miss classic, traditional, handdrawn/painted/inked 2D cel animation soooo much. Think of "The Thief and the Cobbler" by Richard Williams ("Who Framed Roger Rabbit") and what could be possible!!! Sigh

[@gubbothehuggo2771]

They are two different mediums. Pros and cons to each. I’ve never agreed that 3D is somehow an upgrade. What are you gonna do? Cancel soccer because American football exists? Because your logic is that they’re both “ball sports”? Guess we can only have one apparently.

[@Jazzin96]

2D animation can make a comeback if we become better at marketing them. Movies like Klaus could really bring the attention of audiences back to this art form.

[@noshhable324]

I used to think that I would resent Disney and Pixar for bringing 3D mainstream, almost completely replacing 2D due to how it felt somewhat bland to me compared to what you can accomplish with the 2D art style. When I saw Across and Beyond the Spider-Verse though, it opened my eyes to how 3D is still ultimately an art form, and therefore has the potential to be molded into anything you can think of. This mixed media style of 2D and 3D that has taken the animation industry by storm since the spider-verse movies has given me hope for how animation can and is still changing for the better. Though I can't say I wouldn't love another original 2D Disney film.

[@ColeHalford]

“Ages three and up it’s on my box! Ages three and up… I’m not supposed to be babysit by princess drool!“ -Mr. Potato Head

[@mastersonic2022]

Studio Ghibli: I missed the part where that's my problem.

[@mcurran6505]

2D animation isn't really dead. It still lives on due to TV and streaming shows. But the way I see it, 2D animated movies will make a comeback.

[@ninjanibba4259]

It’ll never make a comeback if studios continue to stick with 3d films, they are profitable even if they don’t all make back their money, plus artists don’t hand draw their work anymore for big budgets on the big screen, you’d have to pay big money to even make a deal with artists and that’s just not gonna happen nowadays

[@onepresence9460]

Exactly. There’s also indie online animation that still uses 2D animation. And people are loving it. I think studios will consider bringing 2D back in theaters someday...

[@raisofahri5797]

​@@ninjanibba4259for hollywod that is, 2d animation are still thrifing outside us

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@raisofahri5797 we need it IN the USA

[@Xenderman]

@@ninjanibba4259 why so? Sure, it would be nice to have 2D animation here. But my reasoning is that it's nice for the artists to be able to have the opportunity to tell their stories. Other than that, I don't see any reason why you should care if it was made in the US or not.

[@miketodd8]

Disney’s problem is not 3D vs 2D. Disneys problem is that theyve replaced the love and art associated with good storytelling with the love of money money and convenience. Compelling stories inspire artists, designers and songwriters to craft masterpiece’s.

[@zoch9797]

Basically. 'Twas bugging me the whole video. *Here's a movie that had a mediocre plot* "Is this the end of 2D?!" *No, it's a boring plot* "2d movies aren't getting the box office numbers" *No! They're just uninspiring stories* "2D movies just can't compete" 🤦‍♂️ I know, let's blame bad box office numbers (for the last decade) on live-action. It's clearly time to move on to 100% 3D/CGI movies. Live-action is just keep losing money (instead of, you know, A BAD FUCKING STORY)

[@ironmaster6496]

At least japan is keeping it alive

[@kazyink7187]

By shipping work to Korea lol

[@patomallard3280]

As Travis Porter once said, “*BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK*”

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

There's also the Cuphead video game. When it came out, so many were excited. The game is absolutely crazy. It IS partially animated on your PC, but the art assets I hear were all hand-drawn. It's an absolute evolution of classic cartoon style. I feel that with the way the world is, there's always going to be those pockets where people will take the old and evolve it silently until it explodes

[@Cjaj2]

Listen I'm not gonna say it looks bad, but to me 3D animated movies still have this overly glossy/ plastic look to them that I find off putting even in things like Moana and Encanto.

[@Jymboslicx]

Eh I dont see it in those 2 I would agree with you if you were speaking about the 2000s 3d films tho

[@Wi11-doger]

I miss 2d so much. It was so beautiful and warm. It had such life and feeling that you just can't replicate in 3d animation.

[@CadenTM]

Please bring back 2D Traditional Animation because it was increadebly unbelievable and it deserves a grand movies forever. - Caden TM

[@Geeksmithing]

You completely glossed over the fact that Disney incorporated computers into the cel drawn 2d animation workflow after Little Mermaid. Your piece also conflated 3d and computer generated to mean the same thing in terms of animation and that's not entirely accurate.

[@caylya7869]

There should be another 2D movie that looks like Klaus. But more fantastical.

[@Mouse_056]

If we're gonna be honest. I think 2d animation is still running due to indie animation creators such as shows Helluva Boss and Lackadaisy, just to name a few. I know that there are still people making 2d masterpieces and inspire others to do the same. I want to become a fellow 2d animator myself and the thought of using 3d animation scares me. Sure 2d animation isn't being used as often that much like the past, but there are still people that want to animate in the 2d style. I don't think it needs to d!e and it should be kept alive.

[@MamonFighter2ndChannel]

2D animation is much easier to work with in different ways like ibis paint and Krita, just compared to 3D animation. I grew up watching more 2D than 3D since when I was the youngest late-90s kid. Castle in the Sky, Nausicaa, Totoro, Project A-Ko, Robot Carnival and Snow White are my favorite animated films. Also Sailor Moon S movie is my Christmas favorite besides Frosty, Chuck Jones Grinch and Charlie Brown Christmas.

[@NostalgiNorden]

2D animation is bigger than ever with the rise of Anime.

[@kingcabbage9502]

Chip from the Chip and Dale movie was not a hybrid of 2D and 3D. He was a 3D animated character with a toon shader. Also, I still believe 2D might have had a fighting chance if it had had more engaging stories and characters we cared about. It all comes down to the writing in the end.

[@SonKosen]

This is why so many people just started watching anime, thats were we get our 2D form now.

[@bonzillafilmsgamingsreviews]

Who's here after The Boy And The Heron won Best Animated Feature, and the 2nd 2D Animated film to win