Paget Carbine Build: Part 1 Indian Musket Drilling the Touch Hole and Trigger Guard Defarbing.

Come with me as we go down the rabbit hole on one of my new favorite flintlock designs and how we get it in firing order and make it look a little closer to the original as well as just making it look really macaroni in general.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Fascinating. I appreciate you making it more historically accurate.

[@Real11BangBang]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@matthewwyman1581]

Last person I’d expect to be here

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@matthewwyman1581 Who? Me? I love these folks and have done many livestreams with them.

[@TheHumanSynthesisProject]

You want to know something strange my guy? I have spent the better part of the last 6 hours trying to find info on this piece. and here it is. Just discovered your channel man, really enjoying the content you make so far. Love the enthusiasm you have for these pieces of history, and how you seem to be developing a name around these indian made pieces is really awesome as well. Cheers man, cant wait for more

[@thomaswilson517]

Picked up an Indian Short Land Bess years ago that had the touch hole drilled way low in the pan. Was able to set up my tapping size hole on a tangent with the low hole and set a good liner in correct position for ignition. The best thingabout these India pieces is they are majority forged .

[@TheMusketMan98]

Enjoyed the video very informative and entertaining. I can’t wait for part 2.👍🏻

[@Real11BangBang]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

Looks like you are off to a great start! 👍👍

[@Real11BangBang]

I hope so!

[@earlshaner4441]

Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother and everyone else

[@Real11BangBang]

good afternoon

[@earlshaner4441]

Now I am going to finish watching the video

[@SeaDog337]

Wonderful coincidence, I just ordered a Paget of my own and this'll help me get her in working order. Unfortunately, I'm limited in my workspace so I may just remove the bridle for now and use her as a blanket gun. Great video!

[@chriswalker5644]

Touch hole liner🫡 glad I watched

[@mkultraification]

Gonna be interesting to see what kind of accuracy you get out of this as compared to the full length muskets.

[@freddobbs4437]

Damn! Here it is June '24 and I just discovered the 'Access Heritage' site as a source for great looking Flintlock and Cap/Ball muzzleloaders. I also want a Paget Carbine like yours or a Brown Bess Carbine but it appears everything they have is 'out of stock'. Looks like I will have to go back to 'Traditions'!

[@SteveAubrey1762]

I like these videos. Many of your watchers will buy from Military Heritage and seeing how you made your guns operational, will aid them in doing likewise.

[@Real11BangBang]

Well I'm glad you like them. It's funny you mention it because right now I am fitting a rifle shop frizzon into my Charleville musket and it is working great

[@SteveAubrey1762]

@@Real11BangBang I hope you could make a video about that. Are you meaning where you weld or solder a new, high carbon face to the old hammer?

[@a.r.m.4you182]

Boy. I can't wait to see what you do to finish this one then take 'er one out for a round or two. She seems like a nifty little piece. On a side note, after stripping the wood on mine I like to hit the stock with a torch to darken the grains then go back over it with with stain then a final coat of linseed oil/bees wax mix. I was also thinking of trying an ebonizing technique to darken the blond spots, if it has them.

[@duybear4023]

That's a lot of work. I'm intimidated out of buying one.

[@Real11BangBang]

Honestly, if I just wanted to make it work I could probably just get away with drilling the touch hole but I'm being picky on this one.

[@seandahl8441]

A drill press clamp would be very helpful in drilling the touch hole

[@Real11BangBang]

Yep

[@michaelray4033]

By "measuring the breech plug" I'm guessing you measure the depth of the barrel and compare it to the overall length?

[@jeffreyrobinson3555]

Had to chuckle when you said a bit big. 1/16 Now I always put in a liner, but drill the vent to 5/64, and have done more then one at 3/32

[@Real11BangBang]

Yeah, the smaller touch holes are kind of a thing. You're going to see more on rifles. Things like carbines and muskets actually have larger touch holes for a faster lock time and more reliable ignition

[@richardlahan7068]

You can knock the chrome shine off the barrel & other steel parts by soaking them in vinegar for a few hours. Wrapping the barrel in a towel & soaking the towel with vinegar works well for getting the patina equal over the whole barrel. You may want to be cautious if you plan on using this method on the lock assembly and hammer because the springs and hammer are tempered or hardened.

[@bullhippo9023]

The British sea service pistol I have , has a carpentry nail for a trigger pin. The head and grips are still on the nail.

[@pilgrimm23]

Well done sir! you have an eye for it. btw.... I THINK I recognize that flint :)

[@Real11BangBang]

Yep that's the one. Figured it's time. It's been a little time in an English lock lol

[@ol1guy994]

Thanks interesting

[@charleslamica5123]

I enjoy these videos but you really need to do something about better lighting!

[@rebecabethancourt]

Did you know: in guts & blackpowder The carbine is modeled by the paget carbine

[@conifergreen2]

Use cutting oil when drilling so you do not stress the steel too much with the friction heat and pressure.

[@StevenMMan]

It looks like the experiment won. Sorry I couldn't see details at all. Lot of chips of some sort came out there. I can't pick out any details, however I love a blank canvas you can turn into your own art. Mountain man

[@wganz]

Wil there ever be a "Paget Carbine Build: Part 2"? Am interested in getting one of these little jewels and wanted to see what you've done with it.

[@Real11BangBang]

Unfortunately we haven't got back to it yet hopefully in a month or so

[@kents.2866]

Why would the ram rod not have threads on one side? Have to clean it in the field somehow.

[@Real11BangBang]

That would be because this is a captive ram rod, the big button on the end is actually not for loading. It is so you can grab a hold of it. The other end is the actual ramming end. Therefore, no room for threads

[@DirtyK1911]

What's the size comparison with the Paget and the Blunderbuss? Are they similar locks? Could the cabinet sling mount on the Paget be mounted to the Blunderbuss with ease?

[@45calibermedic]

I appreciate the little details that you pointed out, to include ones that you *could have* gotten into but didn't for this build. I love hearing the little details of the art of these guns. There are so many intentional touches to them! Looking forward to more for sure! Anyone else who's interested in similar material should also check Duelist1954 for his builds. I have a question, how practical do you find the cavalry draw for a 7.5/8" revolver on foot? Is there some wiggle room in how the holster sits and the angle at which you draw the pistol for when you sit in a chair and so on? Thanks, fellows. I appreciate your practical experience! 👍

[@Real11BangBang]

cavalry twist allways works for me but chair sitting i prefer cross draw on a long barrel

[@45calibermedic]

@Real11BangBang good to know it can work even sitting! But I can see that cross draw has a great advantage in that position. The twist could get a mite awkward at the card table 😂

[@SuperSneakySteve]

I can't see anything due to the light and focus. Otherwise this is great stuff. I just wish I could actually see what you're pointing at.

[@Real11BangBang]

Well, I'm making part two tonight so we'll go ahead and we'll try again. See if we can't do better

[@leonardzydowicz3480]

I would like to know about that stamp. Does he make a fox stamp for trade guns.

[@gunsnwater2668]

Video great. Focus is on the wall behind you. Can you lock focus?

[@Real11BangBang]

no it is a manual lens and here lately it is giving us fits unless someone is right there with it all the time. ethan filmed this one by himself so it was hard to keep track of

[@jjjww975]

DRILL BIT SIZE ? is it 1/16th drill bit - a really good quality drill bit ... so what size?

[@Real11BangBang]

1/16th Milwaukee drill bit

[@robertrobert7924]

I own a Heritage M1777/IX French Cavalry Carbine in .69 cal. It is a beautiful work of Art. However it is impossible to aim from the shoulder due to the geometry of the Buttstock. I found a photo of an original that had the buttstock hollowed out as a cheek piece to be able to aim from the shoulder. I am guessing that may have been done by an American. I can only surmise that French Cavalry would have used a carbine sling and fired from waist up close and personal at British Infantry Squares. What do you think about this?

[@Real11BangBang]

So the 1777 AN IX CARBINE FOR CAVALRY would have came from the factory with The cheek piece scallop cut out of it. All of them had it so if you wanted to cut that out of the stock yourself you would actually be making the gun more historically accurate

[@papahutt1245]

I just got the British sea service pistol from military heritage and i noticed that the breech plug seems to neck downbon to a smaller hole. Is it ok to drill through in to that smaller hole

[@Real11BangBang]

yes

[@jessicasheridan3538]

Do you know if veteran arms Charlaville muskets have plastic barrel bands?

[@Real11BangBang]

I guarantee you they do not

[@chriswalker5644]

How do I knock the shine down on my barrel and lock if you don’t mind?

[@kents.2866]

Take it out the field and use it, it will patina over time.

[@richardlahan7068]

Is there a Part 2 to this video?

[@Real11BangBang]

not yet it is still in the works

[@OEFOIFVet]

I just made my first order through Military Heritage.. Hiw fast or slow is their shipping to the US?…… Also love this channel. Great and informative videos.

[@Real11BangBang]

its pretty quick depending on where you live in tje us

[@evann1136]

Hi, I got a 1766 charleville and I cannot get it to ignite the main charge very easily at all and I’m wondering if you’ve had this issue by the way the pan ignites fine

[@Real11BangBang]

did you scrub the barrell when you got it? alot of times these thing have metal shavings and cuting oil in the barrel. we generally remove the barrel from the stock then clean it thoroughly with acetone dont get it on the wood. then very lightly oil it and your ignition will get better. other wise it will take around 50 shots to burn that cutting oil clear out.

[@evann1136]

@@Real11BangBang thank you!

[@richardlahan7068]

I assume the procedure is the same for drilling the flash hole for the 1766 Charleville /1795 Springfield.

[@Real11BangBang]

yes

[@justinji8634]

Great Video! Just a silly question: what will be the accuracy of someone that shoots a .69 caliber minie out of a smoothbore .69 caliber musket?

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

Probably worse than shooting a ball because a minie bullet will tumble due to lack of rotation which would have been imparted by rifling.

[@Real11BangBang]

​@@DARIVSARCHITECTVS I would say generally the same thing. However, I've been known to be wrong on such things before in the past so I may have to test it out one of these days. I just got to get some 69 caliber mini balls.

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

@@Real11BangBang Since a minie is hollow in the tail, it may have less of a tendency to tumble than a solid bullet, because the center of mass is farther forward. Still, if you need accuracy, get a rifle.

[@gijoe508]

My guess is it would function similarly to a foster slug but be far less stable due to more weight out front

[@henryostrander6282]

Poor accuracy

[@chriswalker5644]

My charleville vent hole came with a punched spot for the vent hole but really close to the bottom of the pan is this ok?

[@Real11BangBang]

no you need it at the center of the vent hole level with the top of the pan

[@chriswalker5644]

@@Real11BangBang ah thank you much. Could you give me a good size liner to go with?

[@mylife6453]

Is Pedersoli text, For Blackpowder Only a FARB?

[@Real11BangBang]

LOL YUP

[@noapologizes2018]

Such a great video. Bravo. I'm not familiar with the Paget Carbine. Perhaps a two or three minute introduction and history at the start of the weapon. Humor us guy not in the know about this musket. And one question: I have a Lornez from the same company and the breech plug is hollow. I removed it and filled it with solder.Others have used something else. Do you do anything with the breech plug. Best Regards.

[@Real11BangBang]

Oh don't worry. There will be a video coming out here before too long. That will be extremely in depth. So far all I have on it is a KZbin short and it just was not enough time to cover the history of the gun. The only place I'm really find information on these things is from the Royal armories website and pistols and carbines of the Napoleonic war book. But there is a lot of history with these little guns and nobody has ever covered it. I don't even think they have a Wikipedia page for it and that's pretty sad considering it was the standard issue British Carbine during the battle of Waterloo

[@Real11BangBang]

Me personally I've never done anything to the back of the breech plugs on these guns. However our friend A.R.M 4 U actually used JB weld to fill in the back of the breech plug. He fired over 100 rounds through that gun and pulled the breach plug out and the JB weld held up very good

[@Real11BangBang]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKTbd2NvmN2UmJY Here is the video of which I speak

[@fhorst41]

​@@Real11BangBang I still think he should have filled the gap with ACTUAL WELD, given that he had the option to do so.

[@noapologizes2018]

​@@Real11BangBang Yes, I saw that. I prefer to not use names. I am sure you probably thought about this but I will ask. Did you check the depth from the bottom of the breech to the touch hole. Think about a cavity behind the touch hole. My touch hole on the Lorenz is right where the charge would be with the ball ahead of the powder.

[@giuseppe4909]

Love the info….but the blurry view is hard to take.

[@landonsimpson7839]

Hey guys Ive been having this very odd issue with some ammo ive been shooting. Its 45 colt with 40 grains swiss 3f under a 250 grain bullet. Im shooting it out my 7.5in SAA. I use a classic lee loader to make this ammunition. The problem that I have is the last time I shot a batch of 100 I had lead blowback and hit me. And I found some bullets and they were .32 caliber and over an inch long. I weighed them and they were 20-30 grains lighter than a standard bullet. Its really confusing. I had found another one from a time before that had went through a tree and it was 40 caliber and was 30 grains lighter and only a little bit taller. I dont know whats happening. The only thing I can think of is that im over crimping. I havent had the blowback issue before so I just think that was from over crimping. But I dont know why the bullets are mushrooming. Its soft lead. Those abnormaly thin and long ones were from the really over crimped batch that caused blowback

[@landonsimpson7839]

The gun is aligned correctly from what I can tell. The timing is perfect and im usimg .452 bullets from desperado cowboy bullets. Im using homemade black powder lube as well

[@Real11BangBang]

hmmm that is strange could the press be deforming them? i know that Hornady brass is somtimes to short to hold 40 grs. i generally shoot hard cast.

[@landonsimpson7839]

@@Real11BangBang im using starline, and its not a press. Its this inexpensive kit by lee where you basically put everything together with a mallet and the tools in the kit. Dustin weinger has a video on it. It does deform the bullet a little but. But not anything drastic. It puts grooves in it kinda from the tool that is used. There not deep or large, and it makes it more rounded sort of

[@landonsimpson7839]

@@Real11BangBang that's why I think im overcrimping. So thats what I assume the problem is

[@pelonehedd7631]

What I get out of this is that this manufacturer does shoddy work. All these reproduction’s are expensive making the sport / Hobby prohibitive and intimidating for most people . Its like lifestyles of the rich. Evidently there is no quality control at headquarters and the Indians of colonial times were being furnished superior arms of regulation quality at affordable prices. With all the tools and knowhow of modern invention this company still could not get it right. Imagine buying a home and discovering that complete buffoons had botched the plumbing and electrical forcing You to wait for everything to be rectified. I can buy a beautiful Henry Golden Boy for a fraction of the price. Who cares if You have to wait a couple of weeks. That time can be spent making money or enjoying time with the kids. If the workmanship on this company’s arms is any indication of what their marriages are We can assume that someone else must finish the job they couldn’t

[@johnnottahcal5725]

One wild musket! I was hoping to see proof testing! 🥲 I need to ‘rig’ design ideas. I’d prefer to do outside of my stock cuz I fear her getting away. Can’t quite imagine the physics with me not being behind the stock. I’m thinking ratchet straps, sand, and string. 🤔 Maybe a foxhole and fuse. 😂

[@Real11BangBang]

We are eventually going to prove test it once we get around to it. Got a lot of other projects going on right now. Not to mention we're in the middle of hay cutting season so time is a little hard to come by lol

[@johnnottahcal5725]

@@Real11BangBang HAY! no problem. I’ll be waiting patiently. (like a frozen politician infront of my screen) 😎

[@michaelray4033]

By "measuring the breech plug" I'm guessing you measure the depth of the barrel and compare it to the overall length?

[@Real11BangBang]

Yep, that is what I meant

[@StevenMMan]

It looks like the experiment won. Sorry I couldn't see details at all. Lot of chips of some sort came out there. I can't pick out any details, however I love a blank canvas you can turn into your own art. Mountain man

[@Real11BangBang]

Yeah I need to figure out how to get this new camera lens too focus in automatically. But yeah I am pretty excited about this one. I've just decided I'm going to go all out on it as much as I can to make it as close to an original as I can.

[@StevenMMan]

@11BangBang for me it just adds to my already failing sight. Again in part why I think I said s my eyes decive me in print. I am trying perfect voicevto txt and failing