Chasing NKP 765 In Northeast Ohio Part 3: Trouble On The Connection (A Greasy Situation)

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Filmed July 2015
Nickel Plate Road no. 765 is a 2-8-4 "Berkshire" type steam locomotive built for the Nickel Plate Road in 1944 by the Lima Locomotive Works in Lima, Ohio. Classified as a "S-2" class Berkshire, the locomotive operated fast, heavy freight and passenger trains until retirement in 1958. It's also similar to Pere Marquette 1225.
Last run June 14, 1958
Retired May 4, 1963
Restored September 1, 1979
In 2013, 765 was officially included in Norfolk Southern's 21st Century Steam program, an effort to engage the general public and celebrate the railroad's heritage through steam locomotive operations. Plans saw the 21st Century Steam to visit many of Norfolk Southern's major terminals between 2013-2015. On the weekend of July 25-26, the Berkshire hauled excursions from Youngstown, Ohio to Ashtabula, Ohio.
The Video:
NKP 765 is running a ferry move (empty train to the next place) and is moving east from the Lake Erie District onto the Youngstown connection, turning south onto the Youngstown line in Ashtabula Ohio. The train was going from Cleveland Ohio to Youngstown, Ohio. The train was mostly empty but still have some weight to drag. Besides the tender, there is an Auxiliary (water) tender for more water on the go, which was full, and had several loaded gons of coal for 765. The coal goes with 765 on ferry moves due to issues with ordering coal on the go. Along with the loaded aux tender and several coal cars, 765 is pulling 20 some passenger cars along as well.
Going around the Connection (and stalls)
765 with its rather heavy, lengthy train, 765 still needs to turn over 2 switches, and follow the sharp curve onto the connection and head south up a 1.24% grade all at once. All these curves, can be too sharp could build a bind. 765 would be working harder rounding the curve but a plan was made. Grease the flange ways to make less of a bind/ resistance on the wheels. A simple fix, to ease something through in any bind.
What went wrong?
When requested to grease the rails, the railroad maintainers did just that. The railroad maintainers greased the inside edge of the rails where the flange ways would roll over. The issue arise after the train comes to a complete stop. After realizing what happened, the railroad maintainer applied too much grease for the drive wheels. When the wheels rolled over grease, since there was too much, it smeared to the top of the rail, causing the locomotive to lose grip and spin to a slow stop.
Was It necessary to grease the rails?
Yes. The steam locomotive has a rigid frame and is not as flexible as a diesel locomotive. The 4 big drive wheels are rigid and hunts for the rails as it goes down the tracks. Its a lot like bumper cars bumping into a wall. Greasing the rail would ease adhesion around the sharp curve.
Did the sanders work? Does the locomotive carry sand? Why wasn't the engineer applying it?
Yes, and yes! The engineer was applying it. This is one of the last few steam locomotives to be built, and has some of the most modern technology, especially after being rebuilt for excursion service. The sand was applied, as soon as the engineer realized he had wheel slip happening, but the greased outweighed the sand for the traction. The train came to a stop eventually.
Was the engineer aware of the situation/greased rails?
Yes and no. I am sure the engineer knew the connection (curve) was greased, but not overdone like what actually happened. It was a dry sunny summer day. So to have slippage like what was in the video coming out of nowhere would throw you off if you are in the hot seat driving the train.
The ended result:
Yes the train stopped. 765 backed up, and the crew men dumps cups of sand on top of the grease to get the traction again and made a second attempt to go around the curve, and succeeded.
Again remember- The locomotive was pulling a lengthy heavy train, switching tracks, then switched onto a tight curve (connection track) and climb a hill at 1.24% grade all while it was over greased. There was a lot of adhesion, and resistance against the locomotive. The grease would help but "too much of a good thing is bad for you" and that is exactly what happened.

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@eagleeye1542
@eagleeye1542 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen a steam locomotive in person. I've always wanted to, just there isn't any in this area. Sometime in the late eighties driving through the mountains in Tennessee I heard one once. It's quite an eerie sound when it echoes in the mountains and on the ridges. Thanks for the video.
@williamsporing1500
@williamsporing1500 2 жыл бұрын
My grandpa was an engineer. He retired in ‘72 from the B&O. I got to ride in one a few times. Great memories….
@fredwood1490
@fredwood1490 2 жыл бұрын
I used to hear the engines in the next valley over, late at night, as they passed Cotton Hill Station. I don't think they were steam locos but it was in the late 1950s. At any rate, I could hear that whistle blow as it went passed that dead station and it seemed like the loneliest sound in the world.
@Kevin-gw6us
@Kevin-gw6us 4 ай бұрын
You really should, living in England you are never that far from a steam engine ( not as big as this beauty though). So make the journey and help keep your heritage alive, you won't regret it.
@fireteamalpha3754
@fireteamalpha3754 4 жыл бұрын
“Please drive slowly We our chlidren” Excuse me, what?
@solaireofastora1785
@solaireofastora1785 3 жыл бұрын
@Cynical Demon Sad :/
@yugalupasani4126
@yugalupasani4126 3 жыл бұрын
Love is missing.
@ShadowXII
@ShadowXII 3 жыл бұрын
'EAT' fell off.
@Frankie_Fish
@Frankie_Fish 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet home Alabama. The family tree is a circle, they're their own children..
@norbert.kiszka
@norbert.kiszka 3 жыл бұрын
On first I read that sign as: "please drive slowly on our children". Macabra.
@craigpennington1251
@craigpennington1251 4 жыл бұрын
Trains need sand at the drive wheels for tracktion. That is what they are putting on the rails. Either the sand boxes ran out or they malfunctioned. Those steam locomotives are super powerful.
@LDaniel_BDuce
@LDaniel_BDuce 4 жыл бұрын
They did use sand. The sand being dispersed was too little amout
@craigpennington1251
@craigpennington1251 4 жыл бұрын
@@LDaniel_BDuce Understandable.
@Nubfist
@Nubfist 3 жыл бұрын
That’s some impressive wheelslip. Imagine being in a car waiting for the train to go.
@realpillboxer
@realpillboxer 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the guy that puts in a blurry 15 second clip to show one guy on a motorcycle crossing safely at hundreds of feet away.
@antonfloor344
@antonfloor344 3 жыл бұрын
Then he or she is the luckiest person on earth
@hunnywilliams1794
@hunnywilliams1794 2 жыл бұрын
I would never mind to see this masterpiece, especially in car
@Almahmudiyahtv
@Almahmudiyahtv 2 жыл бұрын
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@euclideszoto997
@euclideszoto997 6 жыл бұрын
The beauty of steam locomotives. All the glory and struggles today just like the Era then. That's why people love steam.
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter 3 жыл бұрын
Mostly because of pants.
@sadelsor
@sadelsor 3 жыл бұрын
They are beautiful until the foreman gives you the job card with "Valve Job" written on it, that will knock the smile off you face, especially if its on the night shift 3 days before Christmas on the GWR, done it, not very pleasant !!
@euclideszoto997
@euclideszoto997 3 жыл бұрын
@@sadelsor The stories are as amazing as the steam locomotives themselves.
@alecmnsfield1258
@alecmnsfield1258 2 жыл бұрын
I wish these locomotives were still pulling the pullman cars as they were the pride of the railroads in their heydays.
@garycox1274
@garycox1274 3 жыл бұрын
I would not mind at all if I got stuck in traffic to see something like that that's a one in a lifetime opportunity
@rajveersinghkohli2245
@rajveersinghkohli2245 2 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful 😍😍😍😍
@williamsporing1500
@williamsporing1500 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was an engineer for the B&O. I got to ride in one, run the throttle, helped the fireman throw coal and blow the whistle. When I was 12 or so, I rode in a diesel electric from Cincinnati to Lima and back a couple of times. I miss my grandpa. He was a great man.
@aksa3227
@aksa3227 2 жыл бұрын
hard to skip watching it
@joeb3668
@joeb3668 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love em
@joeb3668
@joeb3668 2 жыл бұрын
I was and loved every minute of it .
@yourdiytechlife
@yourdiytechlife 4 жыл бұрын
I thought these had sand systems to dump sand to the wheels when needed rather than manually doing it. That was a cool engine, nicely restored.
@PABackyardRevivals
@PABackyardRevivals 4 жыл бұрын
Yes nickel plate road 765 and the others in the Berkshires in the class do have Sanders equipped by the wheels but the oil was to much for the engines Sanders
@LDaniel_BDuce
@LDaniel_BDuce 4 жыл бұрын
dws productions-BlueYt And the train has to already be moving for the sanders on them to be effective
@daniel17319
@daniel17319 3 жыл бұрын
How DARE you
@veronicafarina2554
@veronicafarina2554 2 жыл бұрын
@@daniel17319 d
@sydneypalenge5982
@sydneypalenge5982 2 жыл бұрын
Its called a sander
@Mabeylater293
@Mabeylater293 Жыл бұрын
Even though this isn’t the richest neighborhood, you can tell that they take pride in their homes, their yards and keeping the streets clear from trash and litter. 👍👍👍👍👍👍. Nice job Ohio!!!!
@alishalama3650
@alishalama3650 8 ай бұрын
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@GeorgeEllis-q1u
@GeorgeEllis-q1u 2 күн бұрын
Train? what train?
@honshukhan1
@honshukhan1 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best mechanical machine ever created.
@joeeveryman2208
@joeeveryman2208 4 жыл бұрын
It gives the impression that if it did hook up it has the torque to move the world back slightly as it started to roll.
@richfiles
@richfiles 6 жыл бұрын
8:02 "I'm helping! ROW! ROW!" XD
@aznmozez2214
@aznmozez2214 3 жыл бұрын
XD.
@drapas7467
@drapas7467 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@x1101126
@x1101126 5 жыл бұрын
It's huge, loud, and beautiful, every time I saw it's kind, I can feel energy. Love it.
@kevp9601
@kevp9601 2 жыл бұрын
Steam Locomotives ROCK
@dergenmusic2081
@dergenmusic2081 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Tom Hanks the conductor is yelling “GET US THE BLAZES OUT OF HERE!!”
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 4 жыл бұрын
What an audacious concept. We're going to build a water tight container out of iron and steel and rivet it all together. Then heat it to hundreds of pounds per square inch. And put it on wheels and roll it down a track at high speed. And it WON'T blow up! Awesome. Beautiful machine. Thumbs up to its caretakers and great respect to its designers and builders. You guys were giants.
@BigBerk765
@BigBerk765 2 жыл бұрын
Well, that’s why steam locomotives have pop off valves, like that loud hissing thing going off at 1:11. When there’s too much steam pressure in the engine, that valve releases the excess steam. Hence, why more modern steamers don’t have a problem with blowing up as much as the earlier models. That pop off valve is super important when talking about steam pressure safety.
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 2 жыл бұрын
@@BigBerk765 I guess it's the concept of sealing pressure with metal on metal interfaces. We do this all the time -- airplanes, locomotives, spacecraft, etc -- but I still don't fully understand how. I asked a guy who worked at Boeing one time -- you send a plane into the sky whose metal skin is riveted together. You do it multiple times and the plane's body flexes as it flies. HOW do you keep it hermetically sealed? He says well we use special glues... and I cut him off. SPECIAL GLUES?! You GLUE the plane together??? He didn't bother finishing what he was going to say LOL. But yeah I love looking at huge steam engines and wondering about it. I get that they have safety valves but that's a lot of rockin and rollin down the track at 200 psi.
@BigBerk765
@BigBerk765 2 жыл бұрын
@@darioinfini It’s funny you mention that because ever since I was a kid, I was always fascinated by vehicles in general. Cars, trucks, buses, trains, helicopters, airplanes, boats, semis, anything made out of metal and can move under its own power. Trains, to me, are particularly fascinating because of their sheer size & weight. And the fact that these 2 skinny steel rails can hold this gigantic vehicle up with no problem! Trains are huge! Especially steam engines! They weigh thousands of tons and are essentially the size of an office building. An office building that can move! And these few-inch wide rails can support all that unbelievable weight?! So, like you, I think about this stuff a lot as well. It’s mind-blowing, to say the least. BTW, that glue bit was hilarious. I cracked up reading that! 🤣
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 2 жыл бұрын
@@BigBerk765 I've had exactly the same thought about the rails. The Big Boy literally weighs one million pounds. ONE MILLION. I think I did read that the engineers had basically reached the limit of the rails to support the weight. They could have gone bigger but normal rails wouldn't be able to handle it. Another thing that fascinates me endlessly is that the Big Boy has the articulating front truck that hinges independently from the rest of the carriage to be able to go around curves. So when I was looking at this thing and thinking about it I realized that the steam pipe from the boiler to the pistons HAD to have some kind of flexible interface somewhere carrying steam. I found it in a a pair of rotating elbow joints. It blows my mind that engineers were able to design a rotatable elbow joint capable of holding 200 psi steam pressure in the 1940s. Again, a metal on metal rotating interface mind you good for 200 psi. This is rocket science before rocket science.
@BigBerk765
@BigBerk765 2 жыл бұрын
@@darioinfini And as huge & monstrous as the Big Boy is, there are other steam locomotives in the world that would rival it in size, weight & pulling power. The Norfolk & Western Y6b, Chesapeake & Ohio Allegheny and Great Northern R-2 are just a few other articulated steam engines that gave the Big Boy a run for its money. Some of those locomotives were several tons heavier than the Big Boy and pulled even longer & heavier trains than it could! Think about that for a second. Back when the steam era was in full swing, Union Pacific Big Boy had rivals among it that were heavier and even stronger. 😮
@0bsidianPrime
@0bsidianPrime 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see choo-choo, I click.
@klauskneifel6845
@klauskneifel6845 3 жыл бұрын
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@Visroker
@Visroker 3 жыл бұрын
Jep
@alistairvlogs2624
@alistairvlogs2624 5 жыл бұрын
wheel slip occurring... traction speed decreased
@awakenedfallenking9941
@awakenedfallenking9941 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah nkp 765 is wheel slipping
@matt995amg
@matt995amg 3 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't he put sand?? Oh they do at the end
@aznmozez2214
@aznmozez2214 3 жыл бұрын
@@matt995amg Read videos description
@freeman3320
@freeman3320 3 жыл бұрын
Don't they have automatic sand dispensers?
@bernieshort6311
@bernieshort6311 2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful piece of living history, I hope we continue to preserve these lovely machines. Talk about Beauty and the beast - This train has both, beauty and is a beast. I love the smell of graphite, oil and steam all mingled into one. I was fortunate to join the British Merchant Navy as an Engineer whilst they still had steam ships with main engine being a steam turbine and most of the auxiliary equipment being reciprocating steam engines. Thanks for this video, its pure magic in motion.
@toyotanerd2269
@toyotanerd2269 Жыл бұрын
How long ago was that if you don't mind me asking ?
@bernieshort6311
@bernieshort6311 Жыл бұрын
@@toyotanerd2269 I joined the Brirish Merchant navy in 1973.
@majorsinghgill4725
@majorsinghgill4725 3 жыл бұрын
When tired I watch the aweful power and beauty of steam engines...marvellous....Salute to crew who handle this huge & complex machine
@antonioaparecida5909
@antonioaparecida5909 2 ай бұрын
It is a bomb on wheels, and there cannot be collisions or derailments. 💣🧨💣🧨💣
@PTC2019
@PTC2019 4 ай бұрын
I think they were applying too much power. You can see that when they put a little bit of power it did start moving, but when they put a lot of power, it just kept spinning. This is a really cool train. ❤
@Kiwigeo8339
@Kiwigeo8339 3 ай бұрын
Spent a bit of time at the throttle of a steam locomotive have you? Its not quite the same as sitting on tour a*se working the DCC controller on your model railroad layout.
@donnawoodman6249
@donnawoodman6249 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing such an informative description.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 6 жыл бұрын
Donna Woodman thank you
@Mr91495osh
@Mr91495osh 2 жыл бұрын
Newer locomotives have sand injection systems.
@daniko4447
@daniko4447 2 жыл бұрын
and?
@Terramorfios
@Terramorfios 4 жыл бұрын
На старых паровозах(например, 1920 годов), над каждым колесом были \песочницы\ - в них ссыпали чистый,сухой песок как раз для антипробуксовки.
@hermanman8235
@hermanman8235 2 жыл бұрын
Just like in India..the difference is 2 men will sit on the very front part of the train(!!!!!) to monitor the situation/wheel.they throw sand/salt on wheel/track if there's a slip
@spencergreenhill7728
@spencergreenhill7728 2 жыл бұрын
My father, CA 1905, when hauling clay for CPR in Baniff did the same greasing when CPR was going to put in a narrow Guage rr to haul clay. He was a teamsters alon with someone who still operates a tour bus line.
@СергейБогачёв-б5д
@СергейБогачёв-б5д 2 жыл бұрын
У этого паровоза песочница тоже есть. Но видно в нее забыли песок засыпать. :-)
@mlweaver338
@mlweaver338 5 жыл бұрын
I was a brakeman on the N.K.P railroad in Bellevue Ohio in 1953 , I road this steam engine many times , my what a power machine it was , it would pull a 100 loaded freight car 70 to 80 miles per hour , we run from Bellevue Ohio to Fort Wayne Indiana, After all these years I still like to watch the train go by ,
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 5 жыл бұрын
ml weaver thats awesome! Thanks for watching!
@ToritheGSMR1702-mz3rc
@ToritheGSMR1702-mz3rc Жыл бұрын
0:24 who also thought 765 was at speed 😂
@macgyveratlarge2133
@macgyveratlarge2133 4 жыл бұрын
Well, on the plus side, we got to see how the side rods and linkages work! I hope the drivers didn't take too much damage. They are a pain to replace!
@hermanman8235
@hermanman8235 2 жыл бұрын
I know almost nothing about this type of locomotives..but when I see those super complex linkages and pipes I feel one thing :SUPER EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN
@ashokjangid3726
@ashokjangid3726 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful capture bro
@arnoldberk7686
@arnoldberk7686 3 жыл бұрын
Someone has to switch on the traction control. Lionel had Magna Traction that worked . All kidding aside it’s very rewarding to see that people put time and effort into these beautiful giants. It’s just fun listening to the chuffing and watching the drivers moving.
@victorgirouard1543
@victorgirouard1543 3 жыл бұрын
And that's why modern trains have a system to shoot sand between the wheel and track if it starts to slip
@jelly4890
@jelly4890 3 жыл бұрын
Read desc
@andersjensen4469
@andersjensen4469 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing what a difference a bit of sand does ...
@HenryEpps-jd9dp
@HenryEpps-jd9dp 7 ай бұрын
Hey guys... Hey you yes you lovely people that I'll never meet I just wanted to let you know that you are loved and deserving of everything! Today is going to be a wonderful day Stay safe everyone ⭐
@byronpink9061
@byronpink9061 2 жыл бұрын
The actual encounter of a functional steam engine is something that is etched in the mind for life. I saw a steamer in 1975 in Tacoma Park MD. They are loud with an array of pressurized sounds. love it!!
@zeenatrangrez848
@zeenatrangrez848 Жыл бұрын
Igyuyyy
@KARTAVIDEO2TRAINS
@KARTAVIDEO2TRAINS 5 жыл бұрын
The locomotive is very big. 22/5000 Old-fashioned but still good.
@masngatno3108
@masngatno3108 5 жыл бұрын
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@nigelterry9299
@nigelterry9299 5 жыл бұрын
I keep rewatching this one, it fascinates me. The driver certainly knows his stuff, this would have been only too easy for the slip to become uncontrolled and destroy the locomotive. Interesting to actually see the sanders in operation. Great video and well done to the guy on the throttle!!!
@randomrazr
@randomrazr 4 жыл бұрын
is this a problem for modern deisels?
@Kycilak
@Kycilak 3 жыл бұрын
@@randomrazr Modern diesel would not require grease in the first place so not really.
@randomrazr
@randomrazr 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kycilak sand i ment
@jameskelly6152
@jameskelly6152 2 жыл бұрын
Proper term is "engineer".
@dennisnevins2774
@dennisnevins2774 2 жыл бұрын
The 765 crew is and always has been a class act.
@johndavey72
@johndavey72 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was hard work.You would think that the massive weight of the loco' would itself prevent wheelspin. I guess the sand boxes had run out.The front drive wheel appeared to have lost a fair amount of grease Hope all was well. These trains are an extremely important part of American history and heritage, ( and all over the world) We certainly hold them close to are hearts in Great Britain. Thank you
@dickJohnsonpeter
@dickJohnsonpeter 3 жыл бұрын
I saw a video with James May explaining why trains have a lot of trouble with a grade of only 2% and can't really go up anything steeper than that. He said that the surface area of the wheels of a locomotive that's actually touching the tracks is only the size of two 50p coins.
@renegadeoflife87
@renegadeoflife87 Жыл бұрын
In this video, the train had just run through a nearby flange greaser. Passing freight had splattered grease all over the rails, getting it on the steamer's drive wheels too. Normally it doesn't slip anywhere near this much. Eventually the crew's efforts in manual sanding and wiping away the grease allowed the engine to work through the tight curve and be on its way.
@tmtubeusa
@tmtubeusa 6 жыл бұрын
This was a great video - thanks for sharing. It was funny how even the cop took out his phone and started taking pictures (6:32)
@daniel17319
@daniel17319 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck the police
@brudno1333
@brudno1333 6 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of my home town (eastern Washington) where there was a grade coming and going and the usual route was from north to south. Every year or two some of the fun loving local guys would grease the rails on the outbound side of town to the consternation of the evening train crew. Laying in bed at night you could hear the engine hit the greased section and spin to a stop, whistle a couple of times and then back all the way to the down slope on the northern side of town, get a good run at the greased section and nearly make it through. Failing, it would repeat the process until it finally made it all the way past the greased section, by which time the entire town was awake. What fun.
@bill605able
@bill605able 6 жыл бұрын
That's just awesome, good times!
@diegoperez3082
@diegoperez3082 6 жыл бұрын
Wish I could do the same!!!
@BenjaminEsposti
@BenjaminEsposti 6 жыл бұрын
Not cool...
@treasurehunter3944
@treasurehunter3944 6 жыл бұрын
Yikes
@USCG.Brennan
@USCG.Brennan 5 жыл бұрын
I used to live in Eastern Washington.....just curious where your prank took place. We used to put pennies on the tracks and retrieve them later all flattened out, but that's all.
@LIMowersAndMore
@LIMowersAndMore 5 жыл бұрын
When you get out of bed in the morning.
@djaftermath4313
@djaftermath4313 2 жыл бұрын
@ 1:16-1:130, it looks like the train is trying to "burn rubber" with that slippage. I think that looks so damn cool the way all those levers, beams, and what not, are moving to make the wheels turn. It will never never get old to me. I know these aren't the most environmental friendly but they are damn cool looking....that's for sure!!
@jaggathebop4375
@jaggathebop4375 6 жыл бұрын
5:40 'please drive slowly. We our children'
@arnab_d9
@arnab_d9 4 жыл бұрын
Love has left the chat
@travelingtom923
@travelingtom923 3 жыл бұрын
It was common practice to have a greased rail outside the steam shops back in the day to check for problems after a overhaul. Mechanics could just stand and watch a few feet away if everything looked and sounded good.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Not with just grease but with oil as well. There was footage on the net somewhere (possibly KZbin) of the Louisville and Nashville Railroad's "Slip Track" where it was a dedicated track in that yard, near the shops to test the locos just outside at full speed. Love the footage they show in the video. I could only imagine how hammered and worn that track was. Thanks for watching! Please subscribe!
@anantdabholkar685
@anantdabholkar685 2 жыл бұрын
I believe this must have been a test run, it was pulling 27~28 cars including a water tender!! That's a lot for a Berkshire wheel arrangement 2-8-4 Engine.
@Rosie6857
@Rosie6857 6 жыл бұрын
Surely the coupled wheelbase has some flexibility with the front and rear drivers having a little extra sideplay and I wonder if greasing was necessary. Here in the UK we had a large class of heavy 2-10-0 freight engines (Class 9F) in which the middle drivers had no flange at all. The other 4 axles kept it on the rails and it rode very smoothly even at high speed.
@trevortaylor7702
@trevortaylor7702 Жыл бұрын
British rail steam engines are tiny half scale minnows compared to this no comparison tiny Tim so be quiet
@Paleoman52
@Paleoman52 8 жыл бұрын
There is a solar powered greaser on a line near my area and I often wondered if there would ever be a problem with wheel slippage!
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 8 жыл бұрын
Good thought! the greaser is solar powered, and is turned on when the metal wheels short across the rails, other known as "shunting" just like how the lights and gates turn on within a certain space, except the crossings are powered by power lines and batteries. The greaser lays only a very thin bead of grease on only the flange way part of the rail for minimal friction, compared to the video, where the maintainer slapped lots of grease all over the rails, especially the top/head of the rail, where you will lose traction. some greasers are programmed to delay so it will not start greasing til the motive power passes through. Since the mid 90s, EMD and GE built engines with (if you ordered the correct trucks) come with built in greasers (due to the new technology) the trucks can flex around sharper curves. The grease is contained in a big trash like bag, that sits in a drum, and gets squeezed out like toothpaste when the train passes. There is an episode of extreme trains where they help out and work on the greaser.
@santinojozefmiller7721
@santinojozefmiller7721 4 жыл бұрын
Painesville Railfans What county was the sin?
@40ounce58
@40ounce58 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching these old engines when they’re really moving down the tracks!
@VickyRenee
@VickyRenee 3 жыл бұрын
That's always SO cool when you watch the arms on the wheels turn and turn so fast until it finally kicks in. I know it's wheel slip and it's not good for this to happen at all, I just like watching it when it does
@arogyappamudbal1839
@arogyappamudbal1839 3 жыл бұрын
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@gurmukhsinghgurmukhsingh7759
@gurmukhsinghgurmukhsingh7759 Жыл бұрын
@@arogyappamudbal1839 🚜
@bigcountry8636
@bigcountry8636 6 жыл бұрын
Heard someone say that four short blasts means that the locomotive will apply brakes. Four short blasts means get the hell out of my way cause I aint stopping.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 6 жыл бұрын
Devin Schroeder 1 short blast is "all stopped" and brakes applied. 2 blasts is forward, brakes released 3 blasts is reverse 4 blasts is stopped, and awaiting for orders and or permission to move.
@bigcountry8636
@bigcountry8636 6 жыл бұрын
i'm just going off of what the guy from UP said.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 6 жыл бұрын
Its possible, every railroad is different.
@trustyoldiron5416
@trustyoldiron5416 4 жыл бұрын
Well, on the bright side if there were any mild flat spots on the drivers there isn't anymore.
@dipakm9157
@dipakm9157 3 жыл бұрын
Gg
@ronaldjennings8057
@ronaldjennings8057 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the locomotive put sand down I didn't know you had to do it and maybe they'll get it going
@truegret7778
@truegret7778 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, beautify art, technology, power, ingenuity, design. I expected to hear the engineer jump off and say "alright everyone, get out and push on the count 3 ...". Thanks for sharing .... !
@nickcage633
@nickcage633 3 жыл бұрын
you can see hydraulic oil leaking from the front wheel. the wheel is full of it
@coloradongguy
@coloradongguy 5 жыл бұрын
*SPEED AND POWER SOLVES MANY THINGS!*
@JasperTheJackal
@JasperTheJackal 4 жыл бұрын
Not without traction bud.
@danbytp
@danbytp 4 жыл бұрын
Ah,yes, the Tim"the Tool Man" principle!
@gabrielsciuto905
@gabrielsciuto905 4 жыл бұрын
if the wheels spun faster than the train moving,then I call polar express bs
@thatoneguy611
@thatoneguy611 3 жыл бұрын
?? The wheels were losing traction that’s why they were spinning so fast
@Conraildan
@Conraildan 9 жыл бұрын
Alright guys, who greased the rail lol
@jeanpauljulen2804
@jeanpauljulen2804 6 жыл бұрын
the highwayman on the road again goncert
@lumox7
@lumox7 6 жыл бұрын
They had one job -------
@PowerTrain611
@PowerTrain611 6 жыл бұрын
MOW is on their shitlist now.
@sadasada1037
@sadasada1037 6 жыл бұрын
ហោិ
@codyramos3200
@codyramos3200 6 жыл бұрын
seen that in a movie once . guy was a train hoppin vagabond know to be the best . greased rain to slow train an hopped on
@James-Railyard
@James-Railyard 5 жыл бұрын
It’s not often you see the 765 slip as much as the 611 does.
@luisfelix2559
@luisfelix2559 5 жыл бұрын
Why do they slip is it cause of the weight ?
@James-Railyard
@James-Railyard 5 жыл бұрын
@@luisfelix2559 normally a locomotive slips if it doesn't have enough weight on the rails or the rails are slippery while pulling a heavy consist. So 10-15+ passenger cars would definitely cause an engine to slip if the rails are slippery, as seen in this case.
@F-Man
@F-Man 6 жыл бұрын
Holy mother of torque!
@epistte
@epistte 4 жыл бұрын
electronic wheel slip technology was still a few decades in the future when this monster was dreamed up.
@sajeedalam4709
@sajeedalam4709 4 жыл бұрын
2er द् fsfssdcat
@STAR-BIJUS1
@STAR-BIJUS1 4 жыл бұрын
Maria fumaça ou locomotiva a vapor . Vi uma dessas rodando em minha cidade em 1979.
@algrayson8965
@algrayson8965 6 жыл бұрын
Flangeway greasers are not uncommon. They apply grease only to the inner flank of the rail head. The NC&StL J3 4-8-4 "Dixie" class of 1943 had the two leading sets of drivers in bearing boxes that stretched across the frame - joining the left and right bearing boxes in a single casting. The leading four drivers had a couple of inches free side play in the frame (not "frames" - the J3 had a one piece cast steel main frame that extended from the pilot mounting brackets to the rear buffer and coupling link housing, incorporating the main air reservoir). The lead truck had a center pivot bolster connected to the truck side frames casting by swing links, allowing some side play. On curves the swing links acted to increase the loading on the lead truck axles. The J3s could negotiate a 19° flat curve under their own power at low speed without binding. How is the NKP Berk designed in this respect? It is one of the last road steam locomotives built in the USA.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 6 жыл бұрын
Al Grayson im not too sure how the design of the berk platforms out to compare what you mention. There is alot of unique technology in steam locomotives
@Kleman09
@Kleman09 6 жыл бұрын
The rear two drivers flex some to allow 765 to negotiate tighter curves.
@electronicshelpcare
@electronicshelpcare 5 жыл бұрын
really it's so hard to start.you are so hard working man. thanks for this video.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 3 жыл бұрын
Finally someone read it! Thank you! Please subcribe and hit the notification bell!
@manorsachannel665
@manorsachannel665 3 жыл бұрын
I like...
@goldenarrow5224
@goldenarrow5224 2 жыл бұрын
really man it’s man so man hard man to man start man.man you man are man so man hard man working man man.man thanks man for man this man video man.man
@knox6802
@knox6802 2 жыл бұрын
@@PainesvilleRailfansidjdkdbfj
@knox6802
@knox6802 2 жыл бұрын
@@PainesvilleRailfans u
@_melonic_4560
@_melonic_4560 6 жыл бұрын
i LOVE THE GUY WHO WAS USING HIS SHOVEL LIKE IT WAS A BOAT xD Go to 8:04 to see
@БауыржанЮсупов-ж3ъ
@БауыржанЮсупов-ж3ъ 5 жыл бұрын
_Melonic_ б
@spacebusters7242
@spacebusters7242 5 жыл бұрын
XD
@taygeta1221
@taygeta1221 5 жыл бұрын
Nada más hermoso y romántico que una locomotora a vapor
@Lemonator3103
@Lemonator3103 6 жыл бұрын
00:35 Jeremy clarkson is in there going "POWER!!!!" "GO FASTER!!!!!"
@KeeperOfPoops
@KeeperOfPoops 5 жыл бұрын
James May: You pillock!"
@gabrielvieira6529
@gabrielvieira6529 5 жыл бұрын
@@KeeperOfPoops lool
@PABackyardRevivals
@PABackyardRevivals 4 жыл бұрын
The driver is trying to run her like it ole 97 on her last run on oil
@tommyschulte2577
@tommyschulte2577 3 жыл бұрын
Id love to see a few of these a year pulling. Especially in the winter. 20 below zero. Steam just rolling down the tracks. Cool.
@sristhambithurai8012
@sristhambithurai8012 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and well done to the guy on the throttle!!!
@crsrdash-840b5
@crsrdash-840b5 3 жыл бұрын
I love the wheel slipping
@MikeK2100
@MikeK2100 5 жыл бұрын
When man harnesses a dragon for his power! Thing's happen and just a little logic and patience gets things going back on track again.
@tyronemarcucci6991
@tyronemarcucci6991 5 жыл бұрын
I can only assume the big sand box was empty??
@christopherg7551
@christopherg7551 5 жыл бұрын
After reading the description of events we must come to one conclusion. Old rigid frame loco's must be very particular about the modern tracks they choose to run on. Also , when playing with grease one must also carry an ample supply of DE-GREASER.
@koekje111
@koekje111 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Poland on most railways we are still using old tracks from 1890's...
@OutOfWards
@OutOfWards 2 жыл бұрын
The art, the metal, the sounds, the sights. I would pay just to watch these come and go.
@Wolfy_6414
@Wolfy_6414 6 жыл бұрын
1:29 at that part I can imagine Thomas the Tank Engine saying I think I can I think I can I think I can.... Thomas you're not even moving???
@LDaniel_BDuce
@LDaniel_BDuce 4 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure that’s The Little Engine That Could. Not Thomas the Tank Enginr
@P4FElton
@P4FElton 5 жыл бұрын
michelin be like: this big ass car needs new tyres guys grip is out...
@petroldevo9934
@petroldevo9934 5 жыл бұрын
Since the town is showing up, have them push....
@أملأقلبيبالقرآن
@أملأقلبيبالقرآن 3 жыл бұрын
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@HustleMuscleGhias
@HustleMuscleGhias 6 жыл бұрын
For a second there, I thought 765 was attempting to pull my mother-in-law.
@LIMowersAndMore
@LIMowersAndMore 5 жыл бұрын
HustleMuscleGhias savage over here^ I thought the same but with my mother!
@dergenmusic2081
@dergenmusic2081 4 жыл бұрын
HustleMuscleGhias You Sir, deserve more likes.
@rf4120
@rf4120 4 жыл бұрын
Jut saw this today. 12.29.19.....it hit me just right ...it sounds like something I would say ! Good one ! :)
@PABackyardRevivals
@PABackyardRevivals 4 жыл бұрын
*the FBI will be at your front door*
@willmorpheu
@willmorpheu 4 жыл бұрын
Q lindo no Brasil é raro ver umas dessas conservadas 😢
@southwestvirginiarailfan729
@southwestvirginiarailfan729 7 жыл бұрын
Not that it matters, but you left the A out of situation. Great video! I bet the greaser got a stern talking to.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 7 жыл бұрын
NorfolkSoutherns#1Fan never noticed it thanks and i bet!
@southwestvirginiarailfan729
@southwestvirginiarailfan729 7 жыл бұрын
Painesville Railfans No problem.
@kevp9601
@kevp9601 2 жыл бұрын
I Love It a Lot
@nedmerrill5705
@nedmerrill5705 3 жыл бұрын
Man, those Berks are beautiful locomotives!
@martonziegler2181
@martonziegler2181 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised that the sandboxes equipment was not working on the locomotive. A sandboxes is a basic requirement on all railway vehicles.
@7892rl
@7892rl 5 жыл бұрын
I see the engine has wheel sanders so who forgot to fill "em ??
@sd70unitfan94
@sd70unitfan94 5 жыл бұрын
I mean like XD yeah who forgot to fill em
@larryhall882
@larryhall882 3 жыл бұрын
I mean this train crew acted like it had never come up against this problem and sure as he'll didn't look like they knew anything about this locomotive.Great loco just inept crew.
@billsmusic4944
@billsmusic4944 4 жыл бұрын
I could watch that train all day. What a beauty.
@prasadkulkarni689
@prasadkulkarni689 5 ай бұрын
Look the great power of steam,,can drive these iron giants with ease,,,excellent engineering 🎉Regards to those who invented steam engine 👌👍🎉🎉🎉🍫🍬🍭🍓
@ratecoudo
@ratecoudo 5 жыл бұрын
A cop was taking a picture of that too hahaha very nice.
@malcolmabram2957
@malcolmabram2957 4 жыл бұрын
He had a call at the time to say the bank had just been broken into, but he was getting his priorities right.
@adendangoaposi9416
@adendangoaposi9416 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe his son liked steam locomotives?
@putrapribumi46
@putrapribumi46 3 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmabram2957 q1aaa
@karanuttam5191
@karanuttam5191 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@Romans--bo7br
@Romans--bo7br 6 жыл бұрын
Was that Doyle McCormack at the throttle?..... they don't come any better if it was him, he's one of the best and a near modern day legend in the world of steam locomotives and trains in general.
@PainesvilleRailfans
@PainesvilleRailfans 6 жыл бұрын
2Stroke Diesel Power im almost certain it was him, rich was at the crossing. They are both awesome!
@hughvane
@hughvane 5 жыл бұрын
We have to know - we ???? our children? The sign on the pole, from 4:35 onward.
@robertgift
@robertgift 6 жыл бұрын
How embarrassing! But fun! My great uncle said his huge 4-8-4 freight locomotive would slip on fall leaves. He was always hauling more than the locomotive should have been pulling.
@matthewmiller6068
@matthewmiller6068 6 жыл бұрын
That's actually a regular problem with a local commuter train every fall - they have to double up (two diesel locomotives vs usual one) and make sure that one of the grades has a green signal so they don't have to stop between the stations or they get stuck.
@Dinu-desculţ
@Dinu-desculţ 2 жыл бұрын
🔴 Poor old iron lady black ... how many troubles she went through in her life !
@malcolmabram2957
@malcolmabram2957 4 жыл бұрын
In my day, when the wheels just slipped all the time, we got out of the cab and just gave the engine a push.
@veasnauphone7152
@veasnauphone7152 4 жыл бұрын
🚂🚸
@jimskywaker4345
@jimskywaker4345 Жыл бұрын
i find that unlikely
@jasonspence7591scorpion
@jasonspence7591scorpion Жыл бұрын
That was GREAT ALL THAT POWER an it got a sxxt load of wheel spin ! What gets me a locomotive that we'll designed an it doesn't have a SANDBOX SYSTEM ON IT OR DID IT JUST RUN OUT OF "SAND" ? ! JASON FROM OZ LAND (AUSTRALIA) 😅👍👋
@deysiescobar4357
@deysiescobar4357 4 жыл бұрын
what a train beauty I like that design
@ThumperKJFK
@ThumperKJFK 3 жыл бұрын
so one of you clowns put grease on the tracks. Not too cool at all. You gave it away by putting a cam on the ground at just the right point it wood stall. what a shame for rail fans to have you nuts calling your self a rail fan. very sham on you.
@mauriceupton1474
@mauriceupton1474 5 жыл бұрын
These old engines are living monsters from the past.
@humbertoinigourriolaparede1556
@humbertoinigourriolaparede1556 2 жыл бұрын
No deberían usar arena como ADS. Ésta máquina tiene mucíisimo torque.
@robertheinkel6225
@robertheinkel6225 6 жыл бұрын
Never heard of greasing the rails before. Only in the movies to slow down a train.
@aussi3212
@aussi3212 6 жыл бұрын
here in Aus they grease sharp slow turns in railyards to stop inner wheel wear.
@tomast9034
@tomast9034 6 жыл бұрын
so first grease them to not wear the wheels and then put some sand on it to practically "sandpaper" down the rail and wheel to get grip? thats sooo........
@aussi3212
@aussi3212 6 жыл бұрын
the inside of the wheel is for steering only, but if the sand (on top of the rail) makes the wheel grip, then it is not spinning, it then does not create the grinding/sanding affect .
@tomast9034
@tomast9034 6 жыл бұрын
for grip there must be resistance against slipping and that is done bu pushing sharp sand particles into the wheel and rail surface so what is worse? sliding high polished metal on metal or pushing sharp sand into the metal.
@justjune5747
@justjune5747 6 жыл бұрын
Tomas T z%
@joellaurin9007
@joellaurin9007 2 жыл бұрын
Man, doesn't that train driver know he is burning rubber on the track? Where was the smoke from the tires? Amateurs!
@irf1630trains
@irf1630trains 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone one out, on the count of 3, push.
@tracegatlin6307
@tracegatlin6307 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@s.leemccauley7302
@s.leemccauley7302 4 жыл бұрын
Problems or not. Still a beautiful sight. And I won't condemn anyone for , what I am sure, was an accident.
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