Paleo Anthropologist Daniel Lieberman On Sitting, Meat & Exercise

[@kristinatellefson4149]

I knew a lady who lived to 110. She kept busy with activities up to the very end. The local newspaper interviewed her when she went out to vote during covid at the age of 109 and she wasn't using a walker or cane. In her kitchen she had a plaque that read, "As long as I'm alive I want to live!"

[@ssing7113]

Well this correlates as I tried to watch every documentary I could on oldest people. Only things I found was they weren’t hyper stressed about everything. They danced or sang in the kitchen. They enjoyed life’s ups and downs. And they were all self sufficient. And most of them either smoked or ate candy daily or drank 😂 Of course you are gifted genetically with this half already. The above I think pushes you to the finish line. Such as in there is some who have bacteria that can never get a cavity even if they don’t brush… where some had poor nutrition as a fetus and baby and have horrible teeth no matter if they brush and floss twice a day. I mean no comparison…..

[@ronhumphreys3762]

@@ssing7113 Yes the oldest woman on earth out of france famously smoked one cigarette a day for most of her adult life and also ate a bite of chocolate each day, her living to 123. But to add almost all very old people above 100 are small, which I guess helps, she was around 5 foot I think. Teeth it may be somewhat water. My wife never ever had a cavity and all her family pretty much the same, her mom I don't think she ever saw a dentist. They all lived rural within a desert environment. The water was all well waters source from rain water which filtered down through sand and rock. My wife lived with me in town during her first child birth which I expect may have stressed her calcium stores in some manner...developed cavities. The rest of the family living in towns not out there, seem to have normal dental problems like we all do. They both eat junk food and all the rest pretty equally the real only difference is the water. Fluoride they know helps, but perhaps it is some other minerals also added to that which help.Fluoride alone does not seem to remedy that entirely. I have noticed those in the northeast of america seem to always have bad teeth. Is it the tannic acid found in waters due to the rotting of leaves and such? I don't know but if someone has notoriously bad teeth, I find in america that is commonly a tell on location they lived in when young.

[@boskomule]

what did she eat?

[@kentroskelley1389]

Really like Dr Liebermans common sense approach. Not medicalizing everything by putting it into a box.

[@BarbaraJGR]

I would add, not just common sense approach, but scientifically backed approach.

[@kentroskelley1389]

@@BarbaraJGR yes Thank you

[@cnwil4594]

I agree, coupled with a scientific analysis instead of having a shallow approach.

[@KenDBerryMD]

Great interview! I've enjoyed both of Dr Lieberman's books more than once. If we all keep searching and discussing, we will re-discover the proper human diet.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thank you, Dr. Berry. 👏

[@StanDupp6371]

Why do you have to still search and discover and then re discover if you already have the answer and are already promoting it?

[@ssing7113]

There is no rediscovery. Times were far far different then. It was about survival and trying to ensure your genetic offspring lived. That’s it….. far cry from how we live today with so much food at a grocery store you could pass out eating Twix if you like You are meat because it was there and meant you lived another day. That has no relation to : people ate meat because it was good for them … we ate it because if you could kill it it meant calories. That’s it. Doesn’t mean cavemen knew nutrition 😂 secondly cavemen didn’t live to 85. We have a host off issues now which is : what is healthier given we can do near about anything now. Is it 5% meat. 20%. No meat. And testing shows no actual data beyond refunded food is horrible for you. Overload of processed sugar is bad. And overeating is very very easy these days because we have it everywhere and can drive in your car to get it. No more farming or hunting for the average human. Long gone are the days most most that you didn’t know if you could get enough calories to survive. We live in a world of over abundance and that’s messing with research because too many sick fat obese people eating too much to focus data purely on taking standard baseline of health and playing with it to see what is the best outcome. All on top of genetically some people have receptors and expressions shut off while others are flared from start along with inheriting parents baseline of metabolic issues….

[@orchidmuse]

@@StanDupp6371Because we never stop learning. A wise person learns from his mistakes. A wiser one learns from others' mistakes. But the wisest person of all learns from others' success. Dr. Berry has been learning and teaching a great deal, and his knowledge let him still promote low carb/ carnivore. He helps to fight diabetes, which the government fails to do. I am very certain if he ever finds out anything wrong about carnivore, he will talk about it.

[@Ananimous7777]

🤣🤣🤣 stop promoting carniovre then!!!! It messed my health up, my entire body got inflammed. I was brainwashed by you that it can cure all diseases, our ancestors were carniovre, the proper human diet bla bla.. but I experienced it and now I know how it actually works. It is an elimination diet, you feel good because you do not eat plants which your body can not metabolise well due to the root causes. The cure is addressing the root cause, not eliminating plants and putting yourself into remission. I know a lot knowa bout this diet and what health issues it can cause and diet is not everything, it is just a part of healthy life, there are other factors as well... You tried and felt well and then you started to promote it, which is wrong. To try to eat plants and see how you feel now, cure is be able to add foods back, if you can not add back, then it is just an elimination diet. Like you are lactose intolerant and you remove it and your symptoms go away... I can tell you lots of things which you are unaware of since I am more experienced now, but just stop promoting it please. You are carniovre cool, keep it up as long as you like, but do not promote it like a magic cure. It is not cure!!! I am now in a rabbit hole trying to save my life, I am not able to eat any plants anymore thanks to your magic diet

[@suzannealexander]

Another outstanding video, Chris!! You are truly a gift from God!! 💝 I follow Dr. Lieberman's work closely! I am blessed to live among isolated ancient tribes, studying their diets, lifestyles, and longevity. I have been on a mission to determine if plants and animals have been essential to human health and longevity since the dawn of humankind. In my research and my in-person expeditions living with tribes, I have never encountered a tribe that is strictly vegan, nor an exclusively carnivorous tribe either. For instance, the Dani tribe in West Papua, Indonesia, is predominantly plant-based, with a diet rich in primarily sweet potatoes, including some greens and fruits, with pork or chicken consumed about twice a month. Similarly, the Maasai, often labeled carnivorous, include plants in their diets, such as seasonal fruit, honey, and other plants used for medicinal purposes, alongside their staple diet of raw milk, meat, and blood. The Vanuatu tribes, on the other hand, maintain a balance of both plants and animals in their diets, with a focus on fish, chicken, root crops, and fruit. The Inuits mentioned in the video, who are known for their high animal-based diet, do incorporate a variety of plants available in their region, including berries, herbs, roots, tubers, shrubs, seaweed, and predigested lichen and grass contents of caribou stomachs, which are used for food, teas, and medicinals. Every tribe I've lived with has emphasized the vital role of plants and animals, saying humans would not exist without them. When I share with the tribes that some people claim that plants are trying to kill us, they all laugh in disbelief, a testament to their wisdom. When I witness every tribe consuming plants, relishing in their nutrients and healing properties, it's truly tragic to see so much misinformation being spread on social media about plants being dangerous. It's a cause for concern when every tribe, every civilization has consumed plants, yet there are those who propagate fear about them. This misinformation misguides people and undermines the rich heritage of human nutrition and the tremendous health benefits of consuming plants. "Just because our ancestors evolved to do something doesn't mean it's healthy; that's what we call a Paleo Fantasy." (Dr. Lieberman) Brilliant and SO true!! The evidence is there: The epidemiological data and the vast number of studies conclusively show that vegetarians live longer than people who eat meat. Regarding Exercise - I asked each tribe what they believed to be the perfect exercise for humans. They all said humans are designed to walk many miles outside in fresh air and sunlight daily and tend to chores. They all walk about 12 miles each day. Many chop timber and carry wood and water for miles. There is no need for a gym membership when living out in the bush!! Additionally, a recent study focusing on the Hadza tribe in Tanzania suggests that human physiology is not well adapted to prolonged periods of inactivity, with time spent sitting increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality. Squatting postures elicit higher levels of muscle activity than sitting in a chair. Squatting postures elicit 20 to 40 percent of the muscle activity of walking while sitting uses about five percent. Squatting requires more muscle involvement than sitting passively, which suggests that our bodies are likely adapted to much more consistent levels of activity throughout the day. I can't imagine my life without squatting often throughout each day. Squatting is hardwired into our DNA! It's how we go to the bathroom out in the bush/jungle. It's part of being human! Even the tribe members in their 80s, 90s, and 100s still squat daily! Brightest Blessings, Suzanne Alexander Co-Author, "The Ancestral Diet Revolution"heroes

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thank you, Suzanne, for a truly great comment. 👏

[@markmorgan8416]

Suzanne, I agree with Chris. This was a great comment. Thanks for sharing!

[@11235Aodh]

Thank you for this post. I will squat more!

[@19111959]

Thanks Suzanne...very informative and enlightening comment. Much appreciated!

[@notthere83]

I'm so glad I stumbled across this channel at some point. There's so much nonsense out there that drowns out decently researched content.

[@robsengahay5614]

I recall a short conversation with a work colleague about 30 years ago who was on The Atkins Diet which was the first I had heard of it. His primary justification was this ancestral argument and right off the bat I asked why he would want to replicate a diet of our ancestors who had a lifespan roughly half that of modern-day humans. I recall that question completely stumped him. I often wonder if he persisted and how he is doing now.

[@jerwgar]

The main reasons the lifespan was lower wasn't because of food but disease, infant mortality, wars, injuries, etc. Your friend doesn't sound very smart to not surmise that.

[@robsengahay5614]

@@jerwgar I didn’t put forward the whole discussion. He made that same point as you initially but my response then,as it is now, is that because, for whatever reason, these people didn’t survive into their 50s and certainly not into their 60s then we simply have no idea what impact their diet would have had on them long term. So therefore a long term carnivore diet is necessarily experimental. And that was when he was stumped.

[@jerwgar]

@@robsengahay5614 That's a different point then you made without the context. Not knowing isn't the same as half the life span.

[@robsengahay5614]

@@jerwgar i disagree.

[@jerwgar]

@@robsengahay5614 reread what you wrote objectively. Seems you completely mischaracterized his response in your original comment.

[@sk.n.9302]

Greetings from a ranch in central Texas. We have a hand who is 87 & still works along with the others, much younger than himself. His skin is clear & he's still strong, though his teeth are worn down. He has a lovely wife who makes the best Tamales. He is of mexican indian decent. I am always in awe when I see him. My guess is it is being outside & the constant push, pull & carrying of his work, along w/ the companionship of many.

[@elsmooth12]

Chris, thanks so much for bringing to your audience this interview. It's always fascinating to listen to thoughtful folks in science and research disseminate their views and findings in an easy to digest format. It's always curious to hear certain sects making statements that basically conclude that the way we did it before is the way we should do it now, be it dietary pattern, exercise, medical treatments, or even government, education and other societally critical systems. This way of thinking ignores outcomes, and seems to put a ceiling on our opportunities to and react and adjust based upon results. It is far from a growth mentality, and really puts us all in a position to be left behind as other populations with a greater ability to critically think surge forward, improving the quality of life for their entire community. Anyway, keep up the great work!

[@Physionic]

Thank goodness I can still sit without guilt. See you at the conference - it’ll be a blast.

[@christinetripp-g8p]

SO interesting, thank you for this! We do adapt to many circumstance, especially over long periods of time but doesn’t mean it’s optimal. The west adapted to dairy and are for the most part lactose tolerant, while much of the East is intolerant, having been weaned from their mother and not replacing it with another mammals milk. I struggle with Berry’s idea that we were always Carnivor like Cats, mostly because we were poorly equipped to hunt. We can’t run as fast or as far as most mammals,, we haven’t long talons/nails, nor sharp enough teeth. I can see humans, prior to tools, being able to occasionally catch a fish, a rabbit, an injured/sick larger beast but mostly subsisting on fruits, berries, grasses/greens and water.

[@gregge777]

Great interview, Daniel Lieberman's book Exercised is superb, I just move in all kinds of different ways, be that housework, going for a very very long walk, going for short walks, playing football with my son, ropeflow, kettlebells, macebells, slamballs, sandbags, just mix everything up, do whatever you feel like. Following reading Exercised I've looked for other books on 'health' subjects written by anthropologists, and specialist scientists, as opposed to doctors, fitness instructors, nutritionists, etc, all have been very enlightening.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

I was at the Harvard Great Mammal Hall back in February...it was fascinating...one could have spent an entire day just on one floor...very impressive

[@mrmatt6740]

Thank you for this interview. Is there more to come? I could listen to the Chris & Daniel show all day!

[@longevitycoach1573]

The vegan MUST to admit that we evolved to eat meat, so we carnivores are, as always, right and vegans telling lies.

[@DP12356]

Great video. Thank you so much. So happy to hear from someone who is balanced and reasonable and has no particular self-promoting agenda to promote.

[@LloydChristmas-vx2wh]

Excellent interview about anthropology, diet, and exercise. I appreciate asking actual experts in the field. I've wishlisted all the books mentioned. I'm excited to get to them.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! My belief is the best source of knowledge is to get it from the people who actually conduct serious research for their careers, as Dr. Lieberman does, not people who just read research papers. Actual researchers are not always right, and we can all point to times where they weren't, but they are right more often than any other source.

[@cesarcastro1698]

Great video, thanks!!! Just remember that something 'making sense' doesn't necessarily mean it 'is' the case. Sometimes things can seem logical, but that doesn't guarantee they are true facts. Keep sharing such interesting content!

[@VeganLinked]

Nice, I use a veridesk also but I keep it in the standing position. I've been doing that since about 2015. I learned recently that standing while I work instead of sitting over the course of a year may be the equivalent of running several marathons! I don't know if that's true but I like to think so 🙂

[@Jeff_Segal]

Great timing! I'm about halfway through "The story of the human body", really enjoying it. Lovely to see and hear Dr. Lieberman here on Plant Chompers. Thanks!

[@nonfictionone]

my favourite chap back. posting for the algorithm.

[@kirtishah7998]

Please interview Bryan Johnson - and go indept with sleep, exercise, eating healthy food, intermittent fasting - "don't die"

[@mikafoxx2717]

Yeah, I could totally see him getting a mention here since he's religiously scientific. He even admits he doesn't have to be vegan for his health goals but chooses to be, because it's more empathic overall. Interesting that he used to be a hunter, but chose this way. I used to be a cattle farmer and now I don't eat red meat, just a little fish and chicken once in a blue moon. I care about our planet and my health, my only worry is omega 3, honestly.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Coming next week! Michelle crashed his Don't Die Summit with camera rolling. 😎

[@aldovirooo]

@@Viva-Longevitybrilliant

[@Fearzero]

​@@mikafoxx2717Algae oil, flax seeds and other seeds and nuts have you covered. My omega-3 is normal after 23 years vegan.

[@dreamervanroom]

Michelle is someone in your field? Obama? She would never “crash” because her secret service would clear the way. Are you faking it? If so, respect-goes-down.

[@raystaar]

I often have problems motivating myself to move. I overcome those difficulties by giving myself errands. I walk to meet friends, to health appointments, to the store, the library, to social events, etc., etc. Having a destination and a goal really helps. Also, two of Professor Lieberman's comments really jumped out at me: 1) "Just because our ancestors ate meat doesn't mean we should slavishly ape their behavior." and 2) "The evidence is clear, vegetarians (and vegans) live longer than meat eaters." That's enough for me.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@raystaar actually per capita omnis live longest and in greater number

[@raystaar]

@@GregariousAntithesis Can you cite any peer reviewed, double blind studies in support of that claim?

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@raystaar go look for yourself its common sense. Plus most Vegans arent even whole food vegans. Dont have to be a mathematician to figure out most humans are omnis. So the odds are already in their favor. Vegans per capita do not live any longer than anyone else because they like everyone are eating grain. Prove me wrong.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@raystaar studies are a joke designed by people with a profit agenda bought and paid for not looking for truth. Obviously if 75% of people are omni then then even per capita they have a huge advantage. Its not Vegans living over 100 its omnis

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@raystaar whole food omni will always win just because of numbers

[@vmx200]

Thank you for investing your time into getting these interviews and as unbiased as possible. It has really made a difference in the way I think about nutrition, how I prepare for and how I talk to others on the topic. All the best, I look forward to every video! 🎉

[@md82892]

@@vmx200 Unbiased? This anthropologist is extremely biased and commenting on something out of his expertise area.

[@Curbyourenthusi]

​@@md82892 Precisely. He spoke out of turn on evolutionary biology, epidemiological nutritional research, and ignored the empirical research in his own field. He flat out lied about a tropical human diet. No science was offered by this expert, only plant bias.

[@md82892]

@@Curbyourenthusi To be honest no one is interested in scientific facts in this channel. Most of the commenters are just ideologically driven and ready to believe whatever this Chris guy throws at them. It takes really beyond courage to claim humans were not eating meat, they were plant based etc etc. You must be worse than a flat-earther to claim that when science actually proven that we were hypercarnivores beyond a doubt by stable isotope testing.

[@Curbyourenthusi]

@@md82892 Agree completely

[@VeganLinked]

Thank God about 10 minutes and 30 seconds in he said just because we evolved to do something doesn't mean it's healthy. I think the term is called antagonistic pleiotropy. It's also worth mentioning just because we've evolved doing something doesn't mean we can't stop evolving toward doing what is also most compassionate and most sustainable which will always be veganism!

[@JakeRichardsong]

Exactly, evoluation did not magically stop 300,000 years ago.

[@carinaekstrom1]

I love your second point, which is something I've often thought about. Even if it was the case that meat was wonderful for us, the truth is that it's very hurtful to the animals and the planet, and we should try to get out of that horrible predicament as soon as possible. We are one of the few species that can make such a decision (at least as far as I know, and at this time).

[@whatthe6532]

That’s interesting. Do you know how many species eat other species. One hell of a lot. It’s called the food chain. And I’m a vegan.

[@VeganLinked]

@@whatthe6532 is that supposed to be relevant? After all we're both human animals. A healthy ecosystem has more herbivores than carnivores. And since we are humans we can be humane and use our ingenuity and scientific prowl to actualize our potentials in unique ways. I'm really perplexed why you're talking about other animals eating other animals when this has zero relevance to anything. Do you think those animals understand antagonistic pleiotropy? Humans are very unique, obviously.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@whatthe6532 There are more animal species that don't eat other animals, though. We are biologically one of those species that are healthier the less animals we eat, since we can take a supplement and avoid all the possible bad effects that follow with eating whatever critters.

[@bonniek7228]

Thank you for introducing this anthropologist to us! I do wish though that there was more discussion regarding his speciality - human history/evolution and diet. But, it’s okay because now I am motivated to check/out his work!😊

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

Lovely interview with someone who sounds really reasonable. The whole exercise thing has always sounded fake to me. In my opinion, we don't need exercise. I know of no hunter-gatherer and no subsistence farmer who exercises, but they are **active**. I don't exercise, but I just came home from shopping: 5485 steps and I haven't done my daily stair climb yet. I call it 'life' and 'activities of daily living'. Instead of taking the car to the gym and walk on a treadmill, I walk to the grocery store and carry my harvest home, IOW I don't cosplay, but I don't think my biology cares about that.

[@viviendaquino8364]

Thank you, Chris! Another great interview disspelling the misinformation out there. You are SO well read! 😊 I've taken note of these books.

[@SuperAngelic5]

Thanks for this interview. Really good info.

[@karlhungus5554]

Comment for the KZbin algorithm god. Thank you for the quality content, Chris. I appreciate your dedication and outstanding work. 💙

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Effort is not necessary, but motion. Move move move. When you move move move, what message are you sending to the body? That you are alive and kicking it. When you imitate plants, what message are you sending to the cells and mitochondriae? That you are stagnating.

[@dontipton4570]

It seems the less sure an expert is on the ABSOLUTE RIGHT answer the more I “feel” they really know what they are talking about.

[@19Jetta]

Sorry if you have already posted about this but I hope we will be getting more information on the Longevity Conference w/ TED. I would be very interested in attending!

[@JaxObsessed]

Dr. Lieberman admitting he's obsessed gives me a warm fuzzy. 😛

[@jackschitt6235]

obsessed preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually, intrusively, and to a troubling extent. "he was obsessed with the theme of death"

[@ReflectedMiles]

Yes, after all the conclusions reached about the terrible hazards of sitting in recent years, I have learned to sleep standing, also. The idea that horses do it is proof that humans should as well. Someone just needs to become the Ken Berry of the standing-sleep world on social media. After all, just ask any somnologist and they'll all agree....

[@Viva-Longevity]

😅

[@TheIdlesurfer]

What's your KZbin channel, and can I buy some of your expensive supplements please?

[@Marathon5151]

I got a standing desk for work over a year ago and haven’t looked back. I can honestly say that I sit less than 30 minutes a day and some days, I don’t sit at all, it’s either standing or laying down for bed. My hips are much better for it. I find it funny now when I go to my kids sports games and most of the parents are sitting down. I can’t stand sitting down and it’s on the same level of annoyance as walking (I would rather jog everywhere and even indoors if it was socially acceptable).

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

My standing desk has been a game-changer too. I'm a PT, and I approve of them

[@chewiewins]

Read Daniel Lieberman book, it's amazing. Learned so much from him

[@jameswarhol442]

I see nothing wrong with "medicalizing" the word exercise. I would call exercise the cheapest, safest, most potent drug there is. It stimulates BDNF (brain derived neurotrophic factor) EPC (epithelial progenitor cells) and testosterone among many other biological functions. It extends both health span and lifespan. It makes you feel good. There really is no other drug with such beneficial pleiotropic effects.

[@markschuette3770]

it doesn't matter what we ate in the past- its all about what we need to eat in the future that will have the least negative effect on our environment!

[@fromeveryting29]

So true. We have to account for our different goals and material reality today. We aren’t 100.000 humans running around trying to reproduce anymore. We are 8 BILLION urban creatures who all want to live an active, capable life for 80+ years, on a planet that will continue to sustain our coming generations, our economies, hobbies, infrastructure. And we also have the scientific method now on how to best achieve our nutritional needs in the most cost effective, considerate way possible. And ALL of that lends itself to a plant based diet, and vegan philosophy.

[@1timbarrett]

As long as the nutrition plan keeps us healthy and away from current medical interventions, which are costly, wasteful and clearly ineffective…! 😮

[@vatsmith8759]

Up to a point, but my priority is to eat things that have the least negative effect on my body rather than the environment.

[@bonniepoole1095]

So true! My mom didn't exercise at all. She was overweight but ate mostly organically grown food and very little meat or dairy. She died at 92 years old. Dad walked 4 miles a day untill he was 88 and kept a big garden until he died at 94. Sedentary mom, active dad, both organic mostly* vegetarian. (*Mom would flavor a big stir fry with 4 oz of meat to serve both herself and my dad.) I try to be organic vegan.

[@someguy2135]

Thank you for sharing your family's experience with lifestyle and longevity. Hope we can agree that case studies are interesting but not as significant as studies with large sample sizes

[@peteroffpist1621]

Another great episode, thanks.

[@Jean_in_Stillness]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video! I trust your research, and the expertise of your guests. Always feel I am hearing the truth of the matter. Many thanks! 🙏

[@cnwil4594]

I commend Dr. Lieberman with his commense and scientific analysis, implying moderation is adequate as long as one is consistent 👏

[@KimiMatsushita]

I have read many books, I listened to many KZbin videos by many of the world's leading gurus and health experts but nothing came close to “the hidden herbs” by anette ray. I recommend everyone giving it a read.

[@1timbarrett]

I recommend Lierre Keith’s ‘The Vegetarian Myth’.

[@YaYippieYeah]

Great video as always. Where can i find a recording of your talk at the low carb conference? Curious about this one.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! I'm not sure. But if they don't record it, I'll give it again in my studio and put it online.

[@johnelbare8237]

Great program!

[@rickturnr]

Indigenous people ate what was available because they had no other choice

[@jerwgar]

But they did have preferences which seemed to be meat. If you watch videos on natives even today they are sad when they can't find meat. That of course doesn't mean it's the healthiest or not.

[@Hikari7775]

@@jerwgar Because it's calorie dense, that's it.

[@terryjackson9395]

@@jerwgar Isotope studies show humans (sapiens) throughout Europe consumed a broad range of foods, including tubers, and that most of the meat they ate was aquatic, not land-based. Neanderthals, on the other hand, ate mostly land meat. Neanderthals didn't do so well. "Isotopic evidence for the diets of European Neanderthals and early modern humans" (Richards)

[@jerwgar]

@@Hikari7775 It's not it because it's calorie dense they would seek it out throughout history as to why we do so well with it evolutionarily. Their are very few plants we can eat compared to what is out there and most hybridized fairly recently in evolutionary terms. Most of the fruits and vegitables people eat today didn't exist until very recently. Meat is one of the only foods hardly anyone reacts to in its natural form.

[@jerwgar]

@@terryjackson9395 Neanderthals did great while there were plenty of land animals, as the central plains Indians did. Fish is meat. Never said they didn't eat other things. I said given a choice they seem to eat more meat, and eat the other stuff to fill the gaps. Plains Indians at up to 85% meat.

[@chinajennaalys14]

The special guest appearance of Emperor Palpatine was the funniest thing I have seen in a while! Thanks for the humor!

[@stevencole7331]

Actually have over did mountain biking on a ride where i developed hives and another time developed chronic fatigue similar to covid is what i thought i had but tested negative. I went back to normal after a month . So over exercising can have a negative short term response that the body is not hapoy with . This also ibcludes injury that can lead to a loss of fitness

[@yogiyoda]

Plant Chompers gets the best guests! Don't know how he does it

[@JohnMoseley]

By making entertaining, aesthetically pleasing videos conveying solidly trustworthy scientific information?

[@thomas6502]

Thank you!

[@prinsesjuds5761]

Great. After commenting on movement, ❤ this video.

[@natgarrison2300]

Fit 64 years old vegan here; 30 years vegan, 15 marathons, still running 🏃‍♀️ and lifting, definitely no protein deficiency 😊!! My carnists friends are overweight and full of ailments! Vegan forever ♥️

[@dave642]

So true. I had a typical American meat diet until it was 60. My blood pressure was going up so I decided to try vegan. I lost weight my blood pressure went right back down to normal. I get plenty of exercise at work, being in the trades, so I just relax on weekends. Feel great.

[@dachsrottweiler]

Whoooo you go🎉😊

[@Leroy175]

Lol

[@nilsboyboy]

from a science perspective: how come that every carnivore advocator is so red in the face? lol

[@ronaldbaumgarten4458]

Plant Chompers is actually talking about that towards the end of the video about skin cancer and premature aging: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKXKmoGErsiboa8

[@lynnritchie231]

I said the same....😅

[@danielkruyt9475]

Niacin is a helluva vitamin to overdose on. :)

[@elhant4994]

There are many who's not red. In fact I think the majority is not red. But it seems that the diet has an effect, yeah. Or maybe it's because of the carnivore "package" - some advocates promote sun exposure. Btw, I'm currently on day 3 of carnivore, no redness yet :D

[@dachsrottweiler]

Booze will do that too, overconsumption of it that is, steroid use also. And meat and booze go together well. Was is Arnold Ehret who said that alcohol is the little brother of meat?

[@cdramafan]

Modern meat has more fat-that’s true, but modern vegetables are nothing like the ancient ones either.

[@dave642]

Modern veggies are still much better for you. The problem with the western diet is it’s from the old eastern European diet, heavy in meat, dairy and eggs.

[@galahadthreepwood]

Considering that the most popular meat is chicken, which is low fat and boring AF, that can't be true. Carnivores generally don't eat it. Chickens are for eggs

[@galahadthreepwood]

@@dave642 Not heavy enough - meat is a small proportion of most people's diets. Just because we have a survival adaptation that enables us to get through hard times by eating plants doesn't mean that doing so is optimal.

[@RonaldKrzesniak]

Great guest! Read his book - makes a lot of sense…

[@theodora_pilates]

I had that condition throughout my 20s 😢 Anyway, great video thank you!

[@AndrewPawley11]

Excellent video.

[@danielpincus221]

The hunt wasn’t always good, probably rarely consistently good. Relying on anthropology seems to be a snare. I suppose a real question is, is there an ideal human diet?

[@stevenralph8923]

Yet another great interview. Thanks

[@forestappalachia6047]

I'm a big fan of the bare-foot professor's books

[@jamesjasonallen4168]

Ok so I was wondering what 30% of calories coming from meat actually looks like. Suppose we are talking about a man eating 2500 kcal a day. 30% of that is 750 kcal. Looking at Cronometer, to get 750 kcal from say venison you would be eating about a pound a day. That’s not too far off from what some “animal based” dieters are eating right?

[@EastWindCommunity1973]

Did this cut early or something? Video seems unfinished

[@Viva-Longevity]

Yeah, my abrupt ending... Sorry. I was pressed for time.

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

At this stage I find it hard to believe Ken Berry and Anthony Chaffee actually believe the things they’re saying.

[@terryjackson9395]

They're making tons of $$$ though. You can bet they've signed NDAs with certain groups and are paid. Influencers are the new Billy Mays... It's just that nobody knows they're actually watching infomercials.

[@Curbyourenthusi]

Maybe you should explore their claims in good faith instead of resting on your belief system? Ask yourself this. Did the expert in this video refute the claim of humanities carnivorous evolution? I didn't hear it. The closest he came was suggesting that there's a fallacy in the idea that we're beholden to an ancestral dietary pattern. His claim, that we can move beyond the constraints of our natural diet, is refuted by all data that exists in the subject. No being thrives on biological inputs that their physiology had not been adapted to, evolutionarily speaking. Not a single species, including humans. Don't be naive to this fact.

[@MS45636]

Im still confused tbh. Meat digests amazingly well for me, stools are well formed. No other plant for ive tried comes close. Im 40s and tried everything. If my digestion is indeed broken ive not found any plant dominant way to fix it. Carbs for short term energy though 100%

[@RonaldKrzesniak]

@@Curbyourenthusi We have always eaten what’s available to us…

[@m1x1s]

@@Curbyourenthusi Honest Question: Where is this evidence? Lieberman mentioned arctic populations as an example of high meat diets, while in other regions, people were doing just fine on mixed diets. Where is the evidence, that most of our gene pool was squeezed through the arctic? Where is the evidence, that the ability to eat plants, became an evolutionary disadvantage at some point?

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

Sitting is not an exercise. It's natural and normal, and we all do it every day, but most people would do better if they sat a lot less...

[@InspiriumESOO]

Grest educational video once again. Don't have much else to add, just boosting the algo.

[@metalWarriorCZ]

Would be great to interview Dr. Christina Warinner.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Her office is just down the hall from Dr. Lieberman's! He says they call her Tina. I think she's awesome and maybe I can catch her the day after our longevity summit in Boston.

[@metalWarriorCZ]

@@Viva-LongevityThank you. She has fascinating research and I think she could make a great contribution to this subject

[@gybx4094]

I think the Blue Zone diets are worthy of adopting. They seem to have been tested over longer periods of time and the result is improved health and longevity.

[@StanDupp6371]

Then why was Dr. Wareham making a fortune for decades performing massive amounts of heart surgeries in Loma Linda because they were all eating the wrong foods?

[@KasKade7]

Every time I hear someone say: "Carnivore Doctor". I can't help but laugh.

[@someguy2135]

As you may know doctors get almost no training in diet or nutrition. Unfortunately some medical doctors use their credentials to imply otherwise and often make a lot of money doing so on social media and Book Sales

[@wagstaff6135]

Sounds like a vetinarian specializing in cats.

[@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x]

@@wagstaff6135 The same association that I hed reading this comment! The only carnicores doctors that I deeply respect aren't called that by anyone -- Or at leat I haven't heard anyone call them this. Veterinarians specializing in wild carnivores and work in conservation, natural reserves, wildlife sanctuaries and zoos caring for wild dog and cat and bear and seal species, from preventive medicine and research to conservation and biosecurity and breeding and re-wilding. Or the same in the field. They are among the coolest people.

[@AntonySammeroff]

You should cry

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@someguy2135what does a geologist know about diet? When im not looking for oil i advocate for a plant based diet because i am concerned about the planet 🤣

[@purpleblueunicorn]

Notice how he didn't say that sarcopenia is preventable by eating lots of protein! 13:50 twice a week weight training.

[@nonewherelistens1906]

Great interview.

[@lydiajahl5856]

Such a great interview! The Emperor Palpatine part got me 😂 if he sits then sitting must be bad??

[@Viva-Longevity]

The Empire was lost Palpatine sat too much. Obviously. 😅

[@lydiajahl5856]

@@Viva-Longevity hahahaha obviously!!

[@ssing7113]

We ate as much meat as we could get because people died and food wasn’t at a grocery store. . You killed a bird if you could because it was FOOD and meant you lived one more day. You don’t have a choice to eat only fruit or this and that. You ate what you could find I don’t care what we do as long as it’s healthier. Everything we do isn’t normal anymore. We’re literally watching a video in googles servers 😂

[@milicaskenderovic1306]

Great guy! We enjoyed the video.

[@prieten49]

Another great video!

[@penrose2942]

Chris, I love your channel. I really love your attention to detail, the interviews you have and the depth of each video! Thank you for sharing all this with us. You have a great personality as well!

[@whenifeellow]

this is excellent information! thanks sir.

[@brothermayihavesomeloops7048]

This was delightful. Do you have a longer conversation like you did with the grain farmer in Montana (whose name escapes me)?

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thanks! I don't because I was filming his TEDx talk there and I didn't want to cop too much more of his time. But I may go back in a few weeks.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Great video. Interesting

[@mertonhirsch4734]

A major evolutionary adaptation in humans is that humans were able to pass on multigenerational knowledge, so longevity WAS very important in human evolution. It is also why we tend to honor grandparents rather than typically expect them to jump off a cliff when they turn 72. Nothing about his argument makes inflammatory seeds, grains and legumes (all of which result in fatal deficiencies in their natural form) something that humans would have developed the biochemistry and digestive mechanics to thrive on in large amounts. Natural soy and corn are fatal within weeks. Fermentation was required to detoxify them. Fruits and tubers are different but modern humans get 70% of their carbs from naturally toxic grains and legumes and 85%+ in America. Mattresses and antibiotics are not analogous to digestive and cellular biochemical evolution. Let me be clear, I'm not a carnivore advocate, but we know that humans evolved the biochemistry to survive on meat and fat, and natural health span decreased with agriculture, when other factors are controlled. Also the main difference in modern, farm raised meat to wild meat is higher omega-6 content due to them eating a grain and soy based diet.

[@someguy2135]

The major difference in wild animals that are killed for food and farm animals is the farm animals have been selectively bred to produce much fattier meat. The highest priced beef has more marbling which is marketing speak for fat

[@WilliamRoscoe]

I have questions. Knowledge is only passed on when it's multi-generational? How does that work? Seed, grains and legumes are inflammatory? Not according to outcome data in humans. Soy and corn are fatal within weeks? Where did you find that info? "Naturally toxic grains grains and legumes." What are you talking about? Every paleoanthropologist I've read agrees that humans ate whatever they could find, so apart from the arctic dwellers then everyone else grew up as omnivores, so our bodies would be adapted to an omnivore diet, not a carnivore diet. The main difference in modern meat is that factory farmed animals don't get to move around to save on production costs so get fat, plus the appeal of marbled meat to the consumer means that there's a lot more saturated fat in factory farmed meat.

[@Viva-Longevity]

@mertonhirsch4734 That all sounds very logical. He talked about the grandparent hypothesis which will be in his TEDx talk. But as he said, there is no way around the fact that populations who eat a lot of whole grains and legumes live longer than people who eat a lot of meat.

[@mertonhirsch4734]

@@WilliamRoscoe Way off on all of that. Legumes, Wheat and Corn Starch, along with milk and eggs are the most common food sensitivities provoking such things as asthma attacks and migraines. Non-processed soybeans are a trypsin inhibitor resulting in fatal toxicity to all monogastric organisms within a few weeks. Adeyemo, S.M.; Onilude, A.A. (2013). "Enzymatic Reduction of Anti-nutritional Factors in Fermenting Soybeans by Lactobacillus plantarum Isolates from Fermenting Cereals". Nigerian Food Journal. 31 (2). Elsevier: 84-90. doi:10.1016/S0189-7241(15)30080-1. Circle, Sidney Joseph; Smith, Allan H. (1972). Soybeans: Chemistry and Technology. Westport, CT: Avi Publishing. pp. 104, 163. ISBN 978-0-87055-111-6. Likewise, late stone age humans had to learn to prepare maize with lye to prevent fatality. In natural form, corn, legumes, most "nuts" are fatal. Wheat consumption correlated to several autoimmune diseases including thyroid, celiac, type 1 and type 2 diabetes and Cushing's. Grain fed "marbled" meat is actually higher in linoleic acid than meat from grazing animals. Corn fed pork lard is high in linoleic acid, while foraging pigs have more mono-unsaturated AND saturated fat content. It's the linoleic in corn and soy that raises the L.A. content.

[@mertonhirsch4734]

@@Viva-Longevity It is correct, and plausibly correlational though. Legumes and whole grains may improve longevity just because they reduce the tendency toward hypercaloric diets, which is good, but only indirectly the result of food choices. I for one have sensitivities to corn, wheat, oats and legumes, resulting in sinusitis and onset of sleep apnea which goes away when I stop. AND milk to be sure. I am not against plants, just some plants for me. I can eat potatoes and rice and sweet potatoes and any amount of fruit and cruciferous veggies. It is an option.

[@Just4AZ1]

I thought Dr. Lieberman was in his mid-70's but is 60. Either way, his information is spot on.

[@jaym9846]

Is IR an important factor in Sacropenia? Does insulin cause muscles to grow?

[@brumleytown1882]

Try James Scott's "Against the Grain." Domesticated grains, city states and domesticated humans.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Ken Berry with his crazy BS. Glad you debunked him a bit.

[@kingofcelts]

Yes, but freedom of speech is important and we shouldn't demonise others for opposing opinions..

[@thomashugus5686]

Ken is a crazy SOB!!😅

[@Fearzero]

​@@kingofceltsBerry's non scientific OPINIONS passed off as science are causing poor health and early death in his followers.

[@Rusty69-er]

Freedom of speech is fine if you have a well reasoned argument. Ken berry uses his family doctor credentials to suggest he is well versed in nutrition. He isn't and that is potentially dangerous

[@md82892]

@@carinaekstrom1 except that he couldn’t debunk him, on the contrary this anthropologist completely agreed with Dr. Berry on the fact that humans are evolved to eat meat and we were eating a heavy meat based diet. We were absolutely not vegans or not even vegetarians, which is agreed by his host as well.

[@xanxus8272]

Plants and exercise for the win

[@someguy2135]

Diet and exercise for the win I agree. A whole food plant-based diet plus exercise is ideal

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Plants and a dentist for the loss

[@fromeveryting29]

@@GregariousAntithesishmm, israel flag, advocating for animal exploitation and psuedo science, subscribed to progressive channels. You must be a smart, upstanding person.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@fromeveryting29 look closer at the flag Einstein.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

@@fromeveryting29 epidemiology is the pseudo science, calling coincidence science is exactly why rational people are questioning everything coming out of science and medicine.

[@Myo.mechanic]

Marathon, the guy that run first to send a message, died after running

[@jimatsydney]

We have solved many problems but we have things now that our ancestors never faced. Microplastics, pfas chemicals, food additives, heavy metals etc. An aspect of exercise not many people discuss is the importance of sweating. I understand sweating is one of the best ways to remove many of these toxins from the body. Maybe in our new world of exotic substances we need to medicalise exercise as a way to reduce bodily buildup of these chemicals. Something our ancestors never had to do. Just a thought.

[@jmindich]

It was so brief you could have almost missed it. "If you also look at the epidemiological data there's just no way around it. Vegetarians live longer than people who eat a lot of meat." It was a mere 6 seconds only, from 11:12 - 11:18. However, could not have been stated any more concisely or emphatically. Talk about sending the Carnivore Diet to the mat with a quick knockout punch!

[@galahadthreepwood]

"Vegetarians live longer than people who eat a lot of meat." What you mean is vegetrians live longer than people on the SAD. Probably true and you know there's a lot of healthy-user bias. Let's see a comparison of vegetarians or vegans vs carnivores. Hong Kong has the longest life expectancy and the highest meat consumption

[@Ded-Ede]

5:20 oh wow. I will definitely follow my Apple Watch stand reminders now.

[@johnrosanova297]

It's interesting that the paleoanthropologist didn't speak on paleoanthropology.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Can you explain what you mean? Did you want me to ask questions about the evolution of the human head? He has a fascinating book about that: www.amazon.com/Evolution-Human-Head-Daniel-Lieberman-ebook/dp/B095SYWXJF/ref=sr_1_4

[@KP-ro8fy]

This was an amazing video with so much information. Plantchompers is my favorite fact-based food information on KZbin.

[@susanb2163]

so enjoy your videos!!!

[@Shevock]

What the exercise for variety gets wrong is human nature. Folk working in a career that's not exercise get exercise often by being inspired specifically by something. Maybe you're inspired by training for your local marathon each year and another person is by marathon swim events each year. Another wants to cycle with Century each summer and another climbs specific peaks. It may not even be big things as one can be inspired by their local 5k calendar or a powerlifting event. But it's nature to be inspired to accomplish some specific goal and your goals are seldom a healthy mix of activities. At least for professionals working and not having the mental bandwidth for but so much extra.

[@ivicamaslaceti5111]

Only important thing regarding optimal human diet is human physiology, namely physiology of the digestive system.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

I always found the idea of eating what our ancestors ate to be ridiculous, and it is. There are so many holes that can be poked through it. Thanks Chris and Dr. Dan

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

So it makes more sense to eat man-made, synthetic foods? Eating what we evolved to eat is a bad idea? Is it also a bad idea to drink water, breathe oxygen and expose ourselves to the sun?

[@chazwyman]

Speaking as an archaeologist. Mostly meat, with some veg. It does not take much imagintion to figure out that anceint preagricultural plant species are most very hard to eat. The palaeo diet was very low carb, and very low plant.

[@Viva-Longevity]

All those tubers they ate were low carb?

[@christophebirglen9873]

Can't wait to have you interview dr Berry

[@Viva-Longevity]

I’m speaking at a low carb conference he usually attends, in February. Maybe I can do it then?

[@Lieutenant-Dan]

I think what's going on here is that humans are omnivores and have adapted to plant and animal foods in varying amounts depending on geography and availability. We can be healthy eating predominantly meat or plants even with the complete exclusion or extreme of carnivore vs vegan but I don't think that either is optimal for humans. Our biology is closer to plant eaters so I would hypothesise that we should be eating more plants with low to moderate amounts of animals foods. Obviously certain people are thriving on carnivore due to sensitivities to a lot of plants and auto immune issues. I've tried keto with a lot of animal foods and it does have its advantages. It seems to nulify cravings and blood sugar crashes. You just feel satiated all day with only one or two meals. Fasting is a lot easier to do with keto.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Thriving short term, not long term, no?

[@Lieutenant-Dan]

@@Viva-Longevity I think that remains to be seen. Not a big enough sample size or timeframe yet but there are some who have been on it semi long term. The plethora of anecdotes claiming the vast physical and mental health improvements and the reversal of so many different ailments is also hard to ignore. I'm personally more on the plant based side but it's definitely interesting.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Well, it has been a fad diet an uncountable number of times in history, no? Has it ever led to long life in those cases? It has always faded, only to be re-branded in hopes it will work this time and for profiteers to cash in, am I wrong?

[@galahadthreepwood]

Just because we have a survival adaptation that enables us to get through hard times by eating plants doesn't mean that doing so is optimal.

[@AtheistEve]

So, gardening, growing veg and eating it covers the exercise and diet.

[@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x]

Great! New PC video is one I know won't disappoint me. And it didn't. Also, we, humans are all 100% the same. 100% of our diet comes from Archaea; most likely Asgardian Archeans are all we eat and use, sprinkled with bacteria and viruses of course.

[@ronsample6116]

Let me start off by saying that I'm a big fan of Dr. Lieberman. He makes sense in so many ways. However, that point he makes with regard to eating meat and comparing that to vegetarians, seems to me, to be overlooking some things. First, Dr. Berry makes the point about humans over thousands of years have adapted to eating meat. Dr. Lieberman doesn't address that, when we know, in fact, that we have adapted, through evolution to certain things. Comparing that to our ancestors not sleeping on mattresses or sitting in chairs really isn't fair, we invented those things over time. Second, we know that we get certain vitamins and nutrients in meat that cannot be gotten in a vegetarian diet, unless you are very very careful about your selection of foods and supplements. Finally, I admit that overall vegetarians are healthier than omnivores but that is because vegetarians, almost as part of their definition are more health conscious. They most likely don't smoke and don't drink alcohol at all or very little, and probably get more exercise. If you compared them to an omnivore who follows those same principals, I think you would likely find their health and longevity are pretty much the same. I love listening to Dr. Lieberman and I would love to hear his response.

[@Viva-Longevity]

In the next couple of weeks, I have a couple episodes about this.

[@SALVATl0N]

I despise any any way of thinking that says we are designed to eat one thing or another. We are designed to survive. Sometimes we eat each other. It's my personal belief that eating plant-based is a way to hack longevity. Most likely due to a lack of fat specifically saturated fat.

[@mikafoxx2717]

I mean, look at the majority of the meats we would have gotten in nature as well - lean enough to starve on without other foods. Plus, fat in wild game tastes awful and they tend to cut any little bit out these days. If you eat like, a chicken breast once or twice a week would probably be closer to what hunter gatherers got than our modern food. They probably needed the protein as building blocks, whereas now we have stuff like lentils, beans like soy, and more that has plenty of protein to get our RDA and extra. Eat enough beans or lentils and you can get 150+ g of protein a day under 2000 cals a day. And yet I need 3000 to maintain my weight at 170lb because of exercise and muscle metabolism. Loads of room for protein, even from whole grains it adds up.

[@someguy2135]

Well, lack of saturated fat is a big part of it but the reason a whole food plant-based diet that is well-planned and has plenty of variety is so good for you is it includes many beneficial aspects such as fiber and antioxidants which are largely missing or much lower in animal products

[@XX-qi5eu]

Home made Soylent Green is so much healthier than store bought.

[@shiftgood]

Your brain is made of saturated fat...

[@terryjackson9395]

methionine restriction is probably another. They found all species (including carniore and meat-leaning omnivores) live longer on somewhat methionine restricted diet. The benefits of life extension of calorie restriction was narrowed down to protein restriction, and then further narrowed to methionine restriction. Methionine is highest in animal protein. Lowest in legume protein.