Palpatine's Original, Dark Backstories (from BEFORE the PREQUELS)

We cover the original dark backstories of Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars Legends from BEFORE the release of the prequels. That and more on today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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[@stgibbs86]

Let me point out, the emperor being manipulated by a group of dark force users was EXACTLY what the Jedi council THOUGHT was happening to palpatine. Not that HE was the sith lord, but that the sith lord was nearby, manipulating the senate.

[@tompearce5418]

Sith Lords, plural. The Jedi Council would have been looking for a pair of puppet masters working together, whereas Palpatine was careful never to associate publicly with Maul or Dooku.

[@theembodimentoflightdarkness68]

But one thing from his original backstory was the same, he was still *THE SENATE*

[@MAG_1204]

_NOT YET_

[@optillian4182]

@@MAG_1204 It's treason then...

[@dams6829]

*spins crazily while yelling like crazy*

[@TheCultureCommentary]

Its not the original backstory. Its the 1976 parallell universe commissioned to be filmed in case Star Wars (later EP4) failed at the box office.

[@emperorlv]

@@TheCultureCommentary you ruined it >:c

[@randeli7785]

"I think they'll probably be some sort of First Order remnant". Ah, a remnant empire of an already remnant empire.

[@N120Xeno]

Randeli 77 the imperial remnant remnant.

[@imgonnasneezeachoo]

remnant^2

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Remnant X2

[@epicnoobgamer002]

Randeli 77 The Order remnant

[@redjirachi1]

The Second Order

[@maestroicarodecarvalho3947]

Strange... For me, after the prequels, Dark Empire makes more sense. The Palpatine we see in dark Empire, with his huge hunger for forbiden knowledge, his need to achieve control through manipulation, and specially his search for a way to defy death, resonates with the ideas established in the prequels.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Ícaro De Carvalho Dark Empire makes it seem like Palpatine has constantly been dying and reborn throughout the years. Later revisits just clarify Palpatine never actually died before Endor, only just discovering the Rebirth technique and how to do it.

[@mrdunk2955]

I just want the Eclipse..

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

And after TRoS, even more so

[@philipphogerl140]

"I cannot 'die', Yoda." "WHY NOT" "Come closer.... Death is a concept invented by the Jedi" "?!" "I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT"

[@kingcrimson1467]

Philipp Högerl Yoda: D - E - A

[@joshuavidrine889]

I will use the force to heal my broken body.

[@comicop2513]

@@joshuavidrine889 Take some time that will!

[@stevenirizarry1304]

@@comicop2513 you be quiet

[@JXZX1]

Low-key love the way they handled Sidious in Dark Empire. It explicitly shows what the rest of the EU implies--if abominations like Darth Vitiate, Exar Kun, and Darth Nihilus existed and seemed to distort the fabric of the force just by existing, why shouldn't Sidious, who is canonically the most powerful and evil Sith in history, eclipse even their effects on the force?

[@ItsButterBean1020]

To be fair Nihilus was a tear in reality itself (whom imo should have been the strongest)

[@Janoha17]

@@ItsButterBean1020 Nihilus was a Wound in the Force created by the devastation on Malachor V. (and may have once been a Jedi.) His power was dependent on stealing the life force of others to fill the void.

[@JXZX1]

J17 Indeed, and Nihilus’s power and guilt from surviving Malachor by consuming the life force of others is always threatening to destroy him from the inside out. He has power, yes, but it dominates him as much as he dominates most connections with the force. Sidious is perhaps the only individual force user who has come close to taming and embodying the Dark Side of the force. Vitiate required many years of planning and intricate rituals to achieve what Sidious acquired individually.

[@G31M1]

Maybe because that would be very overpowered? Maybe because the force always tries to balance good and evil? Maybe because Sidious and his Master were so powerful thanks to the rule of two and all their knowledge and skills that the force created Anakin as a counter?

[@369Sigma]

I don't think we were ever intended to see Sidious' true power. His ultimate strength is his cunning and restraint. He has mastered using the dark side with precision, surgically applying it when and where he needs to, to such a point that he probably never even makes a 'blip on the radar' of the force. It would explain how he was able to cloud his motives so well from everyone.

[@robertdullnig3625]

"A fever dream that if squinted at can almost fit into the lore." Sounds like a certain movie that came out recently.

[@AugAug989]

Robert Dullnig shut up you salty piece of ass

[@xX_wiLLiam_Xx]

@@AugAug989 no u

[@AugAug989]

Robert Dullnig a yes someone who uses reddit insults

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Imagine being this salty

[@ArtofLunatik]

Lmao aint that the truth, thats what the rise of skywalker is like smh. Im currently watching it for first tjme and damn that shit is a mess. The way its edited is terrible.

[@captaincruloc3200]

I remember having a discussion with a guy at work when the Phantom Menace came out, about Palpatine. He was convinced that the Palpatine wasn't the future emperor. Poor guy.

[@rod9527]

Even My dad told me that was the emperor and he was not a star wars Eu fan, perhaps it was because he was played by the same actor idk . I was one of the kids that watched the Originals after the phantom menace and called out My friends with their supposed theories , like they thought obiwan was gonna die in Ep 2 and i was like "no he won't, he needs to fight Anakin when he becomes darth Vader and then train luke " "oh and The chancellor is evil , he shoots lighting out of his fingertips "

[@billclark5055]

It's funny how Disney decided to copy Dark Empire with Rise of Skywalker. Sidious is basically a demon in ROS and he nearly destroyed a fleet. I'm sure he could sway a bunch of people too. I mean he did sway Kylo Ren and create Snoke just to manipulate Ren and his knights (former padawans).

[@genyakozlov1316]

Still not as strong, as he was in the Dark Empire, even with him electrifying an entire fleet.

[@cadkls]

The knights were not students in Luke's academy. They are a wholly separate entity.

[@UnrelatedNonsense]

Well..I’m pretty certain that Snoke was supposed to play a bigger role until he was killed off like it was nothing in the Last Jedi. One director should have been in charge of the entire trilogy.

[@Warpmek]

Of all the things that Disney could have copied, they copied the worst EU material.

[@billclark5055]

@@Warpmek Lol exactly. I was so pissed when I realized they trashed New Republic and Jedi Order

[@vitorkennedy1862]

When Palpatine returned he planned an empire different from the original. He would no longer hide his powers or his allegiance to the dark side because he wanted the galaxy to know that he is a very powerful individual who should not be challenged. He would rule through fear and beyond his powers he would have an imperial army reunified and strengthened with the addition of new machines of massive destruction and dark side abominations created using sith alchemy. And finally above the military serving as Palpatine's enforcers would be dark side adepts who would serve as agents enforcing the emperor's will across the galaxy. In other words, the galactic empire would be a reflection of Vitiate's sith empire, with Palpatine as its immortal emperor, and Palpatine almost succeeded, he was defeated but countless lives had to be sacrificed to achieve victory. Palpatine was someone beyond the definition of evil he was worse than the devil

[@Alexthe360Great]

Otoh, let's put dark siders over experienced military officers who actually know what they are doing. It makes sense though- being thrown into a reactor core can't be healthy for anyone's sanity.

[@vitorkennedy1862]

@@Alexthe360Great It worked very well in the past with the sith empires.I would not underestimate the achievements of Darth Marr or Darth Malgus.

[@orcciezaj]

God I love how you summarized Palpatine's return. It adds more context honestly.

[@Alexthe360Great]

All the past Sith empires are dead now though...maybe papa palpy needsa new model.

[@vitorkennedy1862]

@@Alexthe360Great Empires may fall and individuals die but the sith teachings are eternal.

[@Citizen_Se7en]

Palpatine: comically evil I agree, the man literally didn't know when to turn the Force lightning off: Episode 3: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when it was turning his face into a human scrotum. Episode 6: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when Vader was about to toss him into a reactor shaft. Episode 9: Wouldn't turn off the lightning even when it was melting his face off and then disintegrated him.

[@BenFrankarts]

It’s like he sucked at handling his own lightning. I think Dooku was much more tacit.

[@toddnolastname4485]

In episode 3, he was too shocked that anyone could turn it back on him to stop right away, and I don't think he kept it going very long. In episode 6, we was trying to kill Vader before Vader could throw him over. Episode 9 was a piece of crap, with no rational thought given to anything.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

I learned of the Emperor's true identity in the Behind the Magic CD-ROM set and was like "HOLY SHIT SENATOR PALPATINE IS THE EMPEROR!"

[@thelegendarypancakebutterf9363]

Everyone gangsta till palpatine comes

[@Alexthe360Great]

Super easy, barely an inconvenience. Just add Mar-Rey Sue Palpatine Skywalker.

[@cancelanime1507]

Only to nearly be stopped by a random clone trooper

[@elitestranger5262]

Alexthe360Great Palpatine still won though

[@Obaminator42069]

Considering the fact that he was killed by his own granddaughter, seem like palpatine gangsta till palpatine cums

[@Alexthe360Great]

@@elitestranger5262 Well, his bloodline has certainly outlived the Skywalker bloodline, I'll give you that.

[@obi-wancanoli8236]

#askeck What if the Yuuzhan Vong and Sith technobeasts encountered one another during the Vong invasion? Could the Vong have been infected by the techno virus? Could the infection have spread, and possibly taken over the whole invasion force?

[@aster4jaden]

I love that thought, infecting the Yuuzhan Vong with a techno virus forcing them to become what they hate.

[@obi-wancanoli8236]

@@aster4jaden Exactly!

[@Dyundu]

FINALLY, someone else is talking about the endnotes from Dark Empire. There's so much good lore there, and I was wondering if anyone else had even read these. They're nearly like the appendencies in Lord of the Rings, but shorter and absolutely insane to read.

[@lenkagamine4145]

I have to say, I LOVE dark empire palpatine. I love having force powers so powerful they can dominate the galaxy as a whole just as military force can.

[@mousermind]

"...a Palpatine that's just been dying everywhere..." LMAO

[@canaan_perry]

The Emperor in the New Hope novelization is much more like the dysfunctional emperors In Asimov's Foundation series which started in the 1940s (a series from which Lucas took a fair amount of inspiration for his whole Star Wars universe). For example the capital of Asimov's galaxy is a planet called Trantor -- which is made of one giant city that covers the entire surface just like Coruscant in Star Wars.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Dark Empire isn't totally ignored. There's obviously Crimson Empire as a sequel, but also all the other stuff by KJA that ties in with it since he worked on Dark Empire. Jeter's Bounty Hunter Wars has Kuat of Kuat guess at Palpatine's will to dominate all minds and drain the galaxy, and the Han Solo Trilogy (Ann Crispin's) has lots of Dark Empire nods, mostly to the Nar Shadaa sections since it's about Han and his friends, but it also has a section about Palpatine using the Dark Side to push one of his Moff's ambitions into overdrive to make him overplay his hand and justify an execution for failure. (This is basically her explanation of the Imperial Mutiny as Palpatine doing the same thing to his captains)

[@qualityautismNoah]

In the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy it mentions the damage that the fight against the Reborn Emperor had cost. There are also moments in New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force where characters are like "what's going on, did the Emperor return again?" or "Luke, that's your dumbest idea since you willingly became the Emperor's apprentice". The authors knew the fans didn't like Dark Empire much, so they kept referencing it to a minimum or made some jokey comments like these two examples about it.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@qualityautismNoah I liked parts of Dark Empire, Luke offering Palpatine a chance to turn good again after experience and rejecting the Dark Side meditation was interesting.

[@RichardAugust]

In the original story, filled out in interviews in 77 and 78, Tarkin was the real power in Star Wars. Lucasfilm wasn't sure if there'd be a second film, so the first film was really the entirety of story and the background of his father and all was just simply the backdrop to infuse life into Star Wars. And in original coverage during the release, the Empire was destroyed by Luke blowing up the Deathstar. Star Wars 1977 was the beginning and the ending of the whole story as far as anything happening. It was only after the first three months after its release in theatres that they realized they would add to the story and dismiss Luke's original victory as just one of many battles. The only thing that suggested any further films was Vader flying away in his fighter.

[@andrewbloom7694]

Tarkin did mention an emperor though, one who wasn't present on the Death Star, which would definitely imply the empire was still around in some capacity

[@zacharynathan10]

It definitely seems the original concept for the Emperor was heavily influenced by the Emperor and empire from the Dune series. Powerful, but not necessarily secure in that power or free from the influence/desires of his constituents.

[@markserrette9313]

The toy from the OT was named emperor palpatine

[@dickers9012]

A wanna see a Palpatine mini series or movie of him in his younger days

[@0predaking0]

A just imagine some show like: Plagueis and Sheev, the rise of emperor

[@ratbat1072]

Sheev: A Star Wars Story

[@krispalermo8133]

@@ratbat1072 I will have to be more than one movie in length.

[@UGNAvalon]

Maybe it could be like the Gotham series was to the Batman franchise? (At least in concept; I’ve never actually watched it myself.)

[@cjbray6584]

Same

[@wyoboy01]

In regards to the question at the end, the Star Destroyer over Endor that got Holdoed, looks more like a Resurgent-class than a Xyston-class.

[@TheCoolStuffGuy]

Cuz it was most of those at the end were resurgent class

[@cinemar]

I'm currently listening to the Darth Plagueis audiobook and it's really good. The writing and acting is superb and the voice for a young Palpatine is perfect.

[@sheevone4359]

Well actually palpatine dying and resurrecting in dark empire is pretty close to the emperor we got in TROS.

[@Joecbg100]

Had to be inspired. I really wanna read Dark Empire

[@faronomus1589]

JosephDiEgidioIII it’s better than tros

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Definitely was

[@redterrorproductions1373]

What even is TROS?

[@sheevone4359]

@@redterrorproductions1373 the rise of skywalker

[@Hartzilla2007]

Considering Pryde’s comments about Starkiller being a mistake along with the First Order leadership talking about how much The Final Order would bolster them, I’m thinking the First Order didn’t actually have the military might to control the whole Galaxy and they were taking advantage of the galaxy being in chaos after they blew up the New Republic capital and their main fleet.

[@Janoha17]

They used the wealth they had stolen in the Unknown regions and sleeper agents on strategic worlds to throw coups after Starkiller Base fired.

[@TheCoolStuffGuy]

They had more than the New Republic by the time of the firing as you see in Battlefront 2 campaign and and Star Wars Resistance show

[@keithkeith293]

Thank you Eck for answering my question about why Palpatine was always deformed in a new cloned body. I've always wondered about that. I have a suggestion for a versus. Centerpoint station versus a completed Death Star 2. Great vid as always. I so love your pup too. He is adorable!

[@wolfpack5065]

#AskEk have you seen the Expanse and would you be interested in covering some of the ships form the show?

[@generalantilles2586]

If you want some good, canon-accurate analysis of the ships of the Expanse, look up Spacedock's Force Recon series. He covers a good portion of them.

[@TheArklyte]

@@generalantilles2586 "cannon accurate" Canon can't decide how many launch tubes Donnager had!

[@UGNAvalon]

I mean, he _Did_ work directly with the Expanse team so...

[@darkarchonaut709]

I have a theory about Palpatine saying he’s died many time etc... Some sith have the power to transfer their knowledge similar to the way the gravemind from halo can remember the memories from another past gravemind.

[@SH-fx6ks]

Definitely subbing to your channel. Nice video. No clickbait title, video matches the title, no repeating yourself constantly to drive it over 10 mins and stating your sources. Just straight up lore. I wish more channels were still like this.

[@trollerpilotxiv3079]

Hey Eck, did you hear Kennedy's statement about there being "no source material to draw from"?

[@KapnKrowe]

Biggest Bruh Moment of 2019

[@lukevankleef4245]

I read at a exhibition that in pre-production of Empire Strikes Back, in the scene where Palpatine calls Vader on the hologram, he would have switched between his old man form, a beautiful woman and a huge monster. Which I think would have been interesting, really showing off the sinister supernatural element.

[@jeremyg4560]

Just wanna say thanks for carrying on the EU/Legends torch. Keeps me coming back.

[@lamaahruloma4270]

Palpatine in the Dark Empire is awesome. I admire horror in many forms and this was beautiful the way some things were told and untold, the style of the comics and more. It's sad that whole Dark Empire including Palpatine was destroyed by my dog and transformed into small square pieces - really squares, it's not a way of description. My beloved Dita had this gift to tear all things into real small squares and so ended the Emperor Palpatine at my house, in a horrible darkness of the dog's mouth.

[@RedJet-bq6fq]

I for one am glad and quite pleased with how TROS handled Palpatine

[@KamilMuzyka]

I loved the Eldritch Palpatine of the Dark Empire. But I loved Viper Automatons and world devastators even more.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

The aspect of Palpatine having died many times and being some entity beyond normal existence is something they certainly pushed in Ep IX.

[@wdarkk]

I actually liked Dark Empire, maybe it was the art style, but I really enjoyed it.

[@all_watched_over]

the guys that worked on Dark Empire (Tom Veitch and Cam Kennedy) got picked up because of their earlier work on The Light And Darkness War, worth reading if you enjoyed Dark Empire. LADW is a great story that I could see some studio picking up for an adaptation

[@turtlelol2411]

Good, good, now strike me down with all your anger!

[@flareprime]

Dark Empire Palpatine feels a lot like the Sith Emperor from KOTOR/SWTOR

[@ericshawn3169]

Really can’t believe JJ decided to adapt Dark Empire

[@electrik_loss]

I genuinely love Dark Empire and it's insanity.

[@randallpetroelje3913]

I would have to say that this is one of your best shows!! How you covered the broad spectrum of palpatine piqued my interest. I didn’t know there was a few more back stories about him. Very cool, thanks again for your show and commentary.👍

[@rhyspike7430]

Love your videos. Keep on keeping on

[@absalomdraconis]

The biggest thing that I remember from around when Phantom Menace came out is that lots of people were complaining that Disney had decanonized Legends, completely forgetting that Legends had always been hanging by a thread anyways... Wait a minute, George did that, not Disney, and we called it the EU instead of Legends!

[@goodmind4940]

George still allowed it to exist

[@eds1942]

Lucas made it clear from the get go that the movies were canon and that the EU would be secondary stories for others to develop. Due to inconsistencies in the early EU and Lucas’ own mistakes in the Prequels, he setup a team that retconned things, tiered the EU canon and added better direction with it. Disney had them dump the whole thing and the leadership at LucasFilms decided to barrow elements from the EU to incorporate it to the new canon. Which we can see in a number of cases in the sequel trilogy. I for one wish that they had continued the EU as Legends being an alternate universe, while they went on to develop new material for the new canon so that everyone could be satisfied rather than half the fandom finding new things to complain about by the decisions made for the new canon. Then they could’ve used the galaxy setup in the old EU as a point of crossover rather than having to redraw the whole galaxy from scratch.

[@dylaningobernoble9971]

"Hanging by a thread" is a bit of an exaggeration. It had a very clear tired system of canon that was very logical. The only real inconsistencies in it were stuff that ended up being contradicted by the prequels but they ironed that out once we had the complete episodes 1-3 stories.

[@matthewpahnke2613]

Lore before the prequels are my favorite videos you put out.

[@spi2derman]

Great video, Eck!

[@sblinder1978]

The Emperor was only unnamed in the OT if you didn't buy the toys :D

[@jlfein]

Can you make a video that’s like a guide for someone who wants to start reading legends books and what books to read

[@aurorauplinks]

Shadows of the empire is a good starting point while he is busy, it is as close original canon as you get since it was a comic series book series and video game series, then uhh... splinter of the minds eye if you dare, followed by the xwing books, and truce at bakura and thrawn trilogy, and courtship of princess Leia, those are core principle books of the original trilogy alongside I jedi and the jedi trilogy with kyp duron... I know you want him, but until he does it, if your impatiant to read, those are all good fundamental stories interlinking. I think you will like the comics archives too if you can find them on s digital archive site for sale like that one charity site that does monthly sales

[@MrZkinandBonez]

Eckhart's Ladder made a video about this a few years back called "MUST READ Star Wars Legends Books, and Where to Start | Star Wars EU Reading Guide". I'd personally say that Shadows of the Empire is a pretty good starting point as it's one of the most accessible SW books (set between ep. 5 & 6). Alternatively, and this is what pretty much every Legends fan will tell you, the Thrawn Trilogy is one of the best places to start (if you don't mind committing to a trilogy right out of the gate).

[@jlfein]

MrZkinandBonez I didn’t know about that video, but there are also new books that have been released and it may be beneficial to just make a new guide altogether

[@MrZkinandBonez]

@@jlfein New books aren't part of Legends canon so a new video wouldn't matter. All books published since 2014 are canon and Legends has been discontinued.

[@jlfein]

MrZkinandBonez oh I didn’t realize, I never quite quite understood how the timeline worked - all the more reason for a new video perhaps?

[@glass4breakfast]

Beautiful amazing video! Great points n interesting ideas!

[@izzymaedavidson1974]

Love your content man. And I especially love your channel’s profile picture. It’s adorable.

[@Hartzilla2007]

For the record in one of the New Hope early drafts it was kind of implied the Sith were pulling the strings of the Empire, Basically Vader’s predecessor as head of the Sith Order was occupying a high level position in the Empire and was being the man behind the throne.

[@kangaroogaming7008]

Cool video. Love it

[@patricktaylor8173]

My biggest issue with Dark Empire was the way the emperor could just grant force powers at will. other than that it was a fairly decent story line.

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

The Palpatine of Dark Empire seems to have been almost a proto-Vitiate

[@subwaysnacker]

Your research is phenomenal :D

[@krispalermo8133]

Please do a follow up with " Crimson Empire," Where the Emperor true down fall come from one of his crimson guards bribing his cloning doctor into defecting all of his clones. It was not just the Darkside clouding the Emperor judgement it was also defect clone bodies that brought him down. After " Crimson Empire " comic series come out, everyone at my game shop LOAO ! Cause it redder the Skywalker " Star Wars " Sage a mote point. Palpatine would have raise and fall with out the Skywalker family anyhow.

[@die1mayer]

Crimson Empire is actually one of the best comics/graphic novels of the Legends continuity and a way better conclusion of the Dark Empire timeline than the crazy shit in Dark Empire 2/Empire's End.

[@user-wj3we7rw5r]

(sory for my bad english) Only the last clone was defective. In the "Empire's end" (Dark Empire part 3) Palpatine says that his best clones was destroyed by Luke Skywalker, this is why he was necessary to use a last defective one. Before using a defective clone he hadn't problems with the health and only the dark side damaged his body. In the "Empire's end" Emperor's last body was very sick and weak, Palpatine could use his force abilities very rarely, and force using was accompanied by pain. Story about why last clone was defective was writen after in "Crimson Empire".

[@gabrote42]

Oh, so THAT'S where the comic irregulars got the idea for Darths&Droids!Palpatine. Good to know.

[@zaneenns5903]

I see dark empire as completely and totally canon. Especially since it’s mentioned in NJO, LOTF, and FOTJ. I think that what Palpatine said about dying over and over was simply a lie, told to make him seem even more overwhelmingly powerful. Just a thought

[@Janoha17]

The only thing more powerful than Sidious' force abilities is his ego. They had to supersize the Second Death Star just to have room for it when he dropped by.

[@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526]

During Luke and Mara Jade's wedding comic series some characters said they thought DE Palpatine was not the real one -just a rogue clone.

[@williamwebb580]

I learned that Palpatine was the emperor through a toy catalog.

[@natesoto1362]

Toys are the reason I knew Thor would lose an eye in Ragnarok.

[@biscoloco]

Legends and the George Lucas films is the only Star Wars universe worth covering.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

I mean the Vader comics are amazing as is Clone Wars and Mandalorion

[@bribriman]

Have to disagree. Legends has so much junk.

[@darthmexihcah2270]

@@bribriman not as much crap as cannon

[@Chupacabrathe2nd]

If his name being Sheev comes from George himself, I'd say it supercedes any idea of continuity.

[@Sithis-zs9cy]

I just finished the Thrawn trilogy and I wish Disney had taken that direction more than anything else

[@moguldamongrel3054]

You an the entire fandom. I was thinking back in the day yessss theirs enough Star Wars material for Star Wars movies for the foreseeable futures. And I can't fucking what to see the thrown series on film. And I can't wait to see The Ganners "You shall not pass" moment against the vong. But no we get this garbage.

[@silent_stalker3687]

Mogul DaMongrel I’m suspended you aren’t and at them shoving the or final trilogy into a “more canon” film... that compiled all 3 episodes of the originals in 1 animated film, it comes out in May 23rd They have given Joba slug eyes and guess what? They quote “order 66” multiple times by the star-troopers. You can see the Poc (proof of concept) by a animated scene of Laia shooting back at the startroopers in a animated vid on Disney or Lucas KZbin, having her literally snatch the gun out of Luke’s hands to do so :/ pretty bad

[@silent_stalker3687]

Mogul DaMongrel Here’s a the clip Incase it gets flagged as spam kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKmklJWno8Z8qbM Testing, okay doesn’t seem this comment was flagged

[@Metallizombie]

Yeahhh. Luuke was great.

[@dnlowithstripes]

I for one liked the idea that Sidious (and formerly Plaeguis) did what they did because they knew of the Yuuzhan Vong and were so fearful of them that they had to unify the entire galaxy and build a huge fleet, even if by force.

[@redjirachi1]

I think Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorian was modeled after Palpatine's Dark Empire backstory. A quasi-demonic entity who has lived for centuries and has lived and died in different bodies

[@dwaldpilar9309]

Another awesome vid , thanks for answering my question....

[@KillerAlmond]

0:24 "Always having so much fun" *lighting*

[@TheWingland]

What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

[@jetx2599]

They would’ve won the war lol

[@UGNAvalon]

Haven’t seen Rise of Skywalker yet, but looking at TFA & TLJ overall (or at least, their lack of continuity) makes me think that Dark Empire Palpatine (or at least a refined version of him) could’ve been a good explanation for much of TFA. The ghost of Palpatine whispers into young Ben Solo’s mind, turning him toward the Dark, and potentially to use him as a powerful vessel. When Grandmaster Luke finds out, he’s distraught not only at the loss of his nephew, but at the realization that the sacrifice of his father and his own efforts in the New Jedi Order were ultimately powerless against his Dark Power. Could drive a man to insanity, or more likely despair, or hopefully, to seek out a powerful countermeasure in the Unknown Regions.

[@jayb8934]

Seems to me that The Rise of Skywalker and its depiction of Palpatine took a lot of inspiration from Dark Empire.

[@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526]

Dark Empire and Legacy comic series.

[@monkey0000]

When I was little I thought darth sidious and chancellor palpatine were two separate people

[@ryanhickman3335]

Good vid

[@macwade2755]

One thing will always remain constant about him. He is the Senate!

[@princecharon]

Dark Empire being a fever-dream Luke had due to some Dark Side attack or poison (or an ordinary illness) makes a lot of sense, IMHO.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Interesting and I’m glad he went other routes.

[@ajzeg01]

All these old details that later got retconned are so interesting to me. And people were shocked when the EU was officially declared non-canon? Where had they been for the last 20+ years? Shit was contradicted and retconned all the time. We all should’ve seen it coming.

[@JustinTK416]

ajzeg01 Yeah, but the EU was retconned in pieces to allow for new content to have more freedom where it needed it. Disney basically threw out the whole thing, made their own stuff, and said “This is Star Wars now”, and since then has been all over the place with what they’re making and calling canon. While the total throw out of the old lore is frustrating for many, it’s the fact that a lot of the replacement material is lackluster that really irks people.

[@samspeed6271]

Great video. Quite an interesting back story. It's dark, but not very dark, like a strong tea instead of the black coffee you see with Darth Vader in Canon. I have a copy of the novel of Star Wars somewhere and I've been meaning to find and read it, so tomorrow: into the garage! Honestly though, I now find myself feeling like neither this or the canon back story does Shiv justice. After all, he's supposed to be the physical embodiment of evil, evil on a calibre that makes the Borg Queen look nice. I feel like his plotting in the prequels needs to be more devious, more manipulative. If we take Dooku out of the equation and have Palpatine manipulate the senate into screwing the separatists over to the point where they want out, that would be more convoluted and more worthy of a tactician of his calibre.

[@CDeering]

ECKHARTS LADDER!!

[@blaineishere3851]

Reminds me of the story for the palpatine we got in TROS/ the TROS visual dictionary.

[@pettipasb]

Closed captioning "Eckhart Slaughter"

[@hamoodhabibi1579]

Cool and good

[@sigmus1475]

You know it kinda seems to me that Vitiate from SWTOR is actually really similar to the Palpatine we got to see in the old Dark Empire comics.

[@thorshammer7883]

Between the Vagyr from Homeworld 2 and the alliance in Mass Effect who would win in a war?

[@rod9527]

Dark empire is so dark that even Luke is scary , before the dark side influence, he grows so powerful and the way he talks makes me uneasy

[@AE-jo2fy]

There is something so wholsome about seeing all these people talking about the first time they realized the chancelor was the emperor when they were 8 or something.

[@lordatom905]

#AskEck May I ask a question do you think this may :maybe this is how new canon work The Empire continues for a year til the battle of Jakku were sprinted into sub factions some of them form the Imperial remanent others became warlords and other became the first order

[@SchardtCinematic]

Dark Empire is one of my favorite stories.

[@luis_zuniga]

Pleas do a video talking about the *Hapes Consortium* 🙏

[@thedarkknight727]

This cool and all, but have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Trageduse the wise, he was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so power and so wise the he could even used the Force to create SAND. 😆

[@cameronprice4922]

We can agree the whether in legends and canon. Palpatine is a the ultimate meme lord! XD

[@cardsatanywhere363]

Something something, dark side. Something something, complete.

[@tpeack]

i remember Cos Dashit, thank god they changed that name

[@goodmind4940]

DA SHIT

[@superkamiguru6856]

@Enzo 1965 Mountainis Daboob

[@John11121]

star wars before the prequels was my favorite version

[@jessiszk]

Is that old school pr0n music in the background? I can’t hear too well. Haha

[@ihatebritain3942]

Now: have you heard the tragedy of darts plagueis the wise

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Is "Darts" Plagueis the younger brother of Darth Plagueis? ?

[@sjmin00]

06:48 where can I see this video of space battle?

[@VaqueroCoyote]

Could you do Boba Fett's story before the prequels?

[@artemisfleming9981]

SHEEVY BOI

[@jeremyortiz2927]

4:25 Why does Palpatine have 6 fingers on his right hand? Is he Tyrone Rugen from the Princess Bride?