What the Clone Wars was Originally SUPPOSED To Look Like

[@Lego-Joe-1]

Luke: You fought in the clone wars? Obi-wan: Yes I was a cartoon character the same as your father.

[@russianoverkill3715]

"And I had completely different personality"

[@supremeleadergnkdroid3202]

I remember reading that Lando was originally supposed to be a clone from the War but George went back on it and decided that lando was his own person

[@dukethighwalker6839]

Yeah, Lando was supposed to be the clone template.

[@mikelong3460]

In Legends he doesn't like clones....interesting

[@geetslys]

Haha, that's an interesting fact!

[@porkchopproductions0314]

If I remember right, Lando was going to be one of the original clones in one of the drafts of Episode 5, I don't know if it was in Leigh Brackett's drafts, George's first draft, or which particular one

[@zexalbrony4799]

Even back then, the Clone Wars was full of retcons and inconsistancies. But we love this great part of the Star Wars franchise anyways. :)

[@geetslys]

We definitely do love it!

[@TheRezro]

To be honest it can be largely retconed as part of rumors and half-truths. For reminder most of galaxy didn't trust the clones and through mixture of CIS and later Empire propaganda see them as antagonistic forces, probably not being aware that half of Stormtroopers are actually clones. What BTW make sense as way to counter Clone Rebellion and cover Empire black site projects. In sense Bad Batch somewhat is about that.

[@waytogoa2076]

Nokoos

[@yodaburger5479]

As somebody who has grown up only with the modern clone wars this was really interesting to watch, thx

[@geetslys]

No problem bro!

[@347Jimmy]

The Kaminoan Rebellion was one of the coolest parts of old BF2 The Anti-troopers were awesome, it's too bad they're not playable in Instant Action battles

[@ArielKahane]

That’s why we have mods my friend

[@platyhelminthes2877]

Weren't they just normal looking phase 1 clones? Or am I misremembering? But yeah, BF2's Clone Wars was awesome. If I remember correctly, It came out before RotS (or at least the demo did), and seeing the clones with their new armor and vehicles from the upcoming movie made me SO hyped to see it in theater. Watching the opening space battle of RotS on the big screen for the first time ever was like touching the face of god.

[@indianajones4321]

Hopefully The Mandalorian will follow some of the original Thrawn trilogy’s plot lines since Mount Tantiss and Wayland/Weyland appeared in the Bad Batch season 1 finale.

[@geetslys]

Yeah, a whole story down that path as well as seeing Thrawn in live-action, would be incredible!

[@CT5555_]

I almost ended the clone wars! But no, they had to drug me.

[@birch8109]

Yeah

[@mrjuse5470]

Fives the master savage!

[@jackhughes9811]

Find Fives!!

[@Ganonsmork]

That clone in the thumbnail be like: oh yeah, it's all coming together now.

[@birch8109]

True

[@allnamesaretakenful]

I like the idea that Jedi were cloned to fight in the Clone Wars and that Obi-Wan is a Clone assigned the designation OB-1, and was one of the few survivors and adopted the name Obi-Wan.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Apparently C'Boath from the Thrawn Trilogy was supposed to be an evil clone of Obi-Wan until someone decided no. In hindsight, that could've been cool. Luke had to say goodbye to the original Obi-Wan's ghost around the trilogy's beginning, so fighting an evil version of his surrogate uncle could be heart wrenching for him.

[@marshalllatta2073]

Clone wars has a lot of epic battles

[@geetslys]

It 100% does

[@minicle426]

Shame we never saw the CIS win any.

[@tux75]

I like how George Lucas completely defied expectations for the Clone Wars and made it a much more unique story, even if the prequel movies were controversial

[@sambridgers9543]

So I guess you could say he subverted our expectations? Heh? Heh?

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

That’s because he was forced to bring in people who had talent.

[@BriHigh]

Its because George Lucas was not allowed near it as such. Credit goes to Dave Filoni and his team for the Arcs and dialogues. Lucas ruined scripts by writing them only a week or 2 before shooting the movies

[@sambridgers9543]

@@BriHigh Quit the slander. He was writing them years before filming started.

[@apolloknight9521]

@@sambridgers9543 it’s basically just that he’s good at making concepts and stories, but it’s the matter execution of the concept.

[@neonbatteries4389]

This is literally a merging of the old and the new

[@megagamernick9883]

If they ever do a show or game with what if scenarios. This needs to be one.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Both old and new are awesome and I'm glad so much has been mixed in.

[@themanwhowouldbebrick]

They should have used more of the episode 2 and 3 vehicles in the show, like sphaats, swampspeededs, at-ots, and juggernauts.

[@platyhelminthes2877]

Yeah. That, and I would have loved to see a live action series. The animated shows are great, but the clones just look too cool in live action.

[@OttomanDrifter91]

Even the prequel clone wars had so many changes, like originally order 66 being an actual order clones obey without the brain chips because they all knew palpatine's endgame. This litearlly something else though, pretty much like a parallel universe *chef's kiss*

[@stuglife5514]

Not gonna lie, the “Attention, Sargent on deck” voice like peeves me so much. The Sargent tank is quite low as far as things go. You don’t salute sargents, you don’t call attention to them when they enter as if they were a commanding officer. Sargents aren’t commissioned officers. They’re one step above a corporal. Hell, you don’t even call a Sargent “sir” since that’s reserved for officers. If you got caught saluting your Sargent you’d probably be punished in some way.

[@kyndjal3118]

when i first heard about the clone wars in episode IV,i immediately though of a mass rebellion of clones used as slave labor,that left the galaxy in ruins because they were in common use all over and people thought nothing of it.the conflict was so brutal,and paranoia was so high(clones could be anyone of any species) that the Republic turned brutal and repressive out of necessity,morphing into the Empire,and Palpatine went over the edge with it,poisoned with paranoia slaughter and power. The Jedi were somekind of a elite corps,similar to the emperor's Royal Guard/Senate Guard.

[@alessiodecarolis]

There's an hint of Star Trek's Eugenic Wars, were superhumans battled either with"normals" and their same kin. It seems that either sagas had their share of problems with crazy genetical engineers.

[@Karlos1234ify]

The Clone Wars were the best conflict for fans. I miss every named clone that died.

[@joshuaquinn4201]

Please do more. I'd love to hear about all the old versions of the clone wars before the prequels

[@zachattack1279]

Stuff like this makes me realize that a reboot of Canon was necessary when Disney took over but they didn't have to Nuke the whole thing they could have picked out the best of the best and worked them into the new Canon

[@goodmind4940]

it wasn't really necessary, most of the stuff was retconned back in and worked fine, Disney just pissed off people by making fan-favorite stories and characters non-canon, mostly Legends Skywalker family

[@zachattack1279]

@@goodmind4940 the reason why it was necessary in my opinion is because George Lucas tended to keep making content without Legends in mind because he didn't see it as Canon. And if Disney never took over and he kept doing that these types of problems will pop up over and over and over again. All I'm saying is what they should have done is pick out the best Legends stories and integrate them into the new Canon IE fan favorites

[@goodmind4940]

@@zachattack1279 sequels mostly made that impossible, we only got Thrawn when there was a lot more characters that aren't possible to bring over into new canon because of what sequels did to the timeline

[@zachattack1279]

@@goodmind4940 I listen I know the sequels were bad but I have what may be considered a controversial opinion I recently became a bit iffy on the legends sequel era mostly because how confusing it is compared to the Legends prequel, OT and pre prequel eras I don't know why but I just never found it as interesting as everything else in Legends Tldr: I lost interest in the legend sequel era after thrawn and the yu jong vong war Edit: forgot to mention that I also think the Canon sequel era sucks as well

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

(Dave Feloni has entered the chat)

[@icesurfer25]

I for one would love to hear about the other races clones besides the Kaminos

[@lerneanlion]

For some reason, those videos known as "Obi-wan with flashbacks" are the first things that popped up in my head when I was watching this video.

[@Alec11_43]

It’s very thoughtful that they forbade expanded material from going too in depth with the clone wars so it wouldn’t be too hard to avoid a complete retcon purge of the old stuff, along with some help through the canon hierarchy and broad strokes. It shows that they(including George Lucas despite having his own vision of Star Wars lore) truly cared about the integrity of the EU, on a level unlike probably any other franchise.

[@goodmind4940]

George wasn't apathetic to EU, he made a lot of high-level choices like this one you're talking about

[@Alec11_43]

@@goodmind4940 My mistake, what I meant to say was that while he had his own personal vision of Star Wars, he still supported the EU by helping grow and thrive.

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

Disney: *pours gasoline on EU and lights a match*

[@Alec11_43]

@@ENCHANTMEN_ that is a night and day comparison since their own movies don’t match up let alone the expanded material trying to piece it all together.

[@zico739]

Clones as the enemies is reminiscent of old school Krypton lore from DC.

[@Mr_Movie_Fan]

When I was somewhere between the ages of 6-8, I came up with my own idea of the Clone Wars. The Clone Wars would be where there were Clones of various civilians to sneak into a facility and gather information, commit easy/simple assassinations and spark fear and riots across the galaxy. By the time people realized it was Clones. It was too late. There were still clones popping up all the time, leading everyone to fear eachother and sometimes shout outrageous accusations and death threats at people that they believed were clones. Keep in mind that there would be clones of more than just humans in my odd mind.

[@platyhelminthes2877]

Sounds a lot like the changelings from Star Trek DS9.

[@Mr_Movie_Fan]

@@platyhelminthes2877 didn't know about them when I was a kid. Didn't find out about them until my dad showed me DS9 when I was in High School.

[@Gufupandi09th13]

Don't know what it means but sound like an idea of the Purge

[@Ayahuasca98]

Shits on the prequels

[@addisonhithe2119]

I would've loved to see a version of the clone wars were things are different from the movies. Instead of dooku and droids, the confederacy would've been lead by ventress, and the army would be made of nikto/ yinchorri clones made by the arkanian clone Masters. The republic would have their clones, but they would be lead by mandalorian super commandos and Jedi watchmen/ peacekeepers/ sages/shadows. The confederacy would be lead by bonterri , while palpatine and organa would lead the republic, all the while sith cultists financed by palpatine ( not a sith) manipulate the war.

[@johnnygyro2295]

A timeline/What If where Ventress "lead" the Separatists could be cool. She had a serious grudge on the Jedi for, supposedly, abandoning her surrogate father Ky Narec. A grudge Palpatine could no doubt take advantage of. Having fought pirates and warlords growing up could make Ventress popular among the Confederate populace. Also, her backstory being similar to Anakin's could help serve the dramatic irony when Palpatine pits them against each other to see who becomes his Sith apprentice/enforcer, with Ventress realizing they both got played before Anakin kills her.

[@addisonhithe2119]

@@johnnygyro2295 I was thinking that ventress would try to lead the separatist forces to act similar to what the Jedi use to be : as protectors , she would even gain the respect of obi wan . Though, you're right on the money

[@Geshiko-GuP]

Idk a side story or trilogy about this special clone wars would seem very cool

[@BriHigh]

I think I've become too accustomed to your voice, no one else can satisfy my flash research for star wars 💚 keep it up Geets Lad 💯

[@legotimefuntime5438]

Some of these were actually pretty interesting and really cool.

[@apmcd47]

To be honest, the way the Clone Wars are mentioned in the original trilogy it was expected that the clones would be the antagonists

[@Lowlyking2001]

I would like to hear about the second imperial war and the events that led up to it and events that took place after, as well as an in depth into the usaang vong wars.

[@akstormtrooper508]

I'm curious as to how/why the Mandalorians almost always end up on the Sith side of conflicts.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

And they always get fucked over by them too.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I think they could kept some of the contents of the republic commando novels.

[@TheAnon03]

Makes sense that writers would assume that the clones were the antagonists without any other information, I mean they're called "The Clone Wars".

[@shamanpj]

Thanks for the video! I found this very interesting. Still, the current version as it is 'perfect', and I would not want it changed in any way. Sure, this sounds more feasible. I admit, I never liked the whole 'Hey, we just discovered we have this massive army we never ordered but now we are using them. I know Sifo was involved and then mysteriously disappeared. Nothing fishy about this.' And let's not even get into all the weapons and ships involved... But really, the Clone Wars is awesome and it is my favorite era of Star Wars.

[@aeternumcadens1777]

Now if I could get a clone of Aayla Secura...mm good soup 👌

[@starwars90001]

Part of me hopes this gets a comic adaption or a book like the recent visions novels or The Star Wars rough draft comic. Weird ifs or untold stories make for the most interesting material.

[@SomeOfMyBusiness]

Aye the Clone Wars with the Clone Masters story is nice!

[@CrazedMilkMan]

Legends is nutty, I know you’ve gone over it before but I love hearing about more legends,

[@steelshanks1265]

Yeah, Pre-Prequal Clone Wars was kinda Star Wars and Blade Runner mixing together, not a bad idea though. Not sure which Clone Wars I like better, the Canon Version or the Original ideas...

[@mazrimazri6101]

anyone else think the clones should have a melee weapon to fight someone that has a lightsaber

[@richardched6085]

So basically the Eugenics Wars from Star Trek.... At least the first phase.

[@zixman4403]

Star wars is a massive universe. Even if you are obsessed with it you don't know everything.

[@Ramikad1091]

While liking at least parts of the "final" Clone Wars, I've always really liked this alternative OG Clone Wars. Thank you for reminding us of the original concept! I tried to reconstruct this "alt" timeline once, and from what I remember the Clone Wars lasted a lot longer than in the final version, I think some _15 years,_ from 46 BBY to 31 BBY. The Dark Jedi Insurrection on Bpfassh would have occurred near the end or just after the end of the Clone Wars, and I suspect that in that timeline, the war did have an impact on the insurrection that followed.

[@domromano391]

Thrawn’s legends trilogy should be animated into an elseworld story

[@Sashman1234]

Woah. I think this was a well done research! Thank you!

[@amanzeihedioha]

But whose clones did Admiral Thrawn find and use in one of the greatest tacticial minded intergalactic conflicts ever to shown on paper?

[@jeffkirby9510]

Yes please more videos on this , please and thank you

[@alexanderreick2419]

Okay I love the clone wars but I feel like a war between clones and Jedi would have been so cool to watch

[@timgersh6787]

I really would like a video on Bane and that could go into a series about the rule of 2 era though we dont have much after Cognaus to Plagus

[@Hando316]

They still can use this, but make it way back in the High Republic era instead or in another era with tweaks here and there. The story itself sounds interesting.

[@chumchum3803]

Honestly sad we didn’t get to see alpha 17 in TCW but we got homie rex instead and they hit this shit outta the park

[@conradojavier7547]

A Prequel Trilogy before the Actual Prequel Movies feels like a Snyder Cut on Steroids.

[@SheevTalks]

Also Boba Fett actually did fight on the side of the clones on Raxus Prime, so technically he did still fight in the Clone Wars

[@mrjuse5470]

Love your videos man! Disney and Star Wars would be in far better shape if Timothy Zhan was writing the actual story lines for the characters. That guy knew what he was doing. It's hard to believe they haven't asked him to help them fix the mess they made. I wonder if he even would? They constantly steal his ideas without crediting him and do crappy remakes of his concepts.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

As much as the old guard still prefer the OG version implied by the Original Trilogy (and honestly, they do have a point), I still grew up and acclimatized with the Prequel version, so I still think what we got is still great despite the initial misgivings. Now, if we could only turn this original concept into an alternate universe set-up... Multiverse Theory critics be damned! (Don't fret, this AU business is not going to set up a Crossover Nexus. Star Wars just doesn't fit that idea... when the heck is Disney going to give the CN treatment to Gravity Falls, SvtFoE, Amphibia, and The Owl House though?!)

[@johnnygyro2295]

Star Wars AU's would be interesting to see again. The World Between Worlds could work as a nexus/void between the dimensions. Also, a Gravity Falls and Amphibia crossover could be cool.

[@Supyloco]

Talk about subverting expectations

[@craigblack7930]

Anyone else wonder what would be if Padme survived childbirth?

[@The104th_Wolf_Pack]

With Thrawn set to return in live action... would not surprise me if they retcon the retcon.

[@Gufupandi09th13]

With thrawn return from exiled after star wars rebels and now in dathomir it seem like he gonna begin like his legends expanded universe counterpart if you have watched ahsoka TV serie

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Before episode 2 i thought the clone wars was some war against clones not a war fought with clones and battledroids.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

These themes are amazing.

[@SuicV]

I feel this video deserves a like even before I see it, just for the great thumbnail

[@FairbrookWingates]

Yes, I am always up for expanded universe tales.

[@cw7legionofpewrights596]

Interesting story Kinda like a droid rebellion. I’d like to see the Jedi civil war or old sith war on the big screen.

[@moderndemon84]

Man,I love your thumbnails.

[@drakejohnson5386]

Is the original picture of this thumbnail and a lot of images trying to solve conspiracy mysteries taken from it's always sunny in Philadelphia? Or did it's always sunny take that crazy conspiracy board from another media source? If so what was the first time that kinda conspiracy board was ever shown?

[@thelordofcringe]

Conspiracy boards are a variation of the crime board which has been a staple of detective and police movies for decades.

[@Ikcatcher]

It would be interesting to read an EU book of the prequels before the prequel trilogy was even a thing

[@generaldurge111]

George chad Lucas knew what he was doing, he’s the only man who could of stopped darth Sitius without putting down his coke zero

[@willlauzon3744]

I should mention that this should be the Clone War or Galactic Civil War. Clone Wars implies multiple wars or series of wars. All we got was one. We had the world wars and this is the best example Before world war two it was the Great War not the World Wars. It just bothers me because the clone Wars made no sense. The clones SHOULD have been AGAINST the clones.

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

Loving these high quality thumbnails

[@fizz576]

To be honest the clone wars does definitely sound more like a war against clones I mean when you go to war with someone you don't tend to refer to the war as the insert your countrys name here wars

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

I wish we had gotten the old version. I can't really get invested when it's just one manufactured thing against another.

[@Toymonkeyjr]

omg the batttlefront loading screen of death

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

Personally, I did like the prequel trilogy. Even though I hate politics, I can appreciate the prequel trilogy focusing on politics.

[@megagamernick9883]

Well I liked that it was politics related to the plot and not politics related to real life.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@megagamernick9883 As did I

[@zico739]

Sci fi is all politics lol.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@zico739 Well, you are definitely not wrong.

[@IANF126]

the insane clone posse

[@logan5804]

Appo lookin like Charlie Kelly

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

Technically the clone wars was a war against the clones, from the sepretist point of view

[@mrbiscuits246]

I love eu stuff. Get the Yuuzahn Vong in there!

[@baironflores1946]

Love your channel man nice video

[@sdm47]

I choose to believe that the original idea still happened under some context or capacity. Except instead of being a large scale war it could’ve just been a series of small conflicts that still qualify as wars Maybe some small clone armies are fighting each other at different points in the galaxy and the republic at first is like “okay, no big deal” But it gets a little too chaotic, civilians are caught in the cross fire. Then there’s infiltrations, frame jobs, and other small things that collectively make the whole thing look bigger than it really is and then when you think it can’t get more fucked up some of these small armies start making contact with one another over large distances some leaders start to get along while maintaining their animosity towards others Nothing is definitive yet but 2 ideas come up. A proper war with properly defined sides, and/or everybody joining forces to fight the republic Now the republic being smart this one time and this one time only, decides to take preemptive measures and prevent either thing from happening

[@chancefriddle8067]

For the republic

[@swordofcoffee]

So we almost got a universe where the CIS used clones and the Republic used droids?

[@ezriquinn6706]

Evil TCW be like:

[@hunterkiller1440]

Clone Wars were supposed to be super genetically engineered Clone rebellion against the republic. "gEoRgE lUcAs hAs A sInGuLaR vIsIoN fOr hIs tRiLoGy." Naw man, he's as confused as Disney. Original trilogy movies only worked well due to how simple the stories were and how they focus on details. The reason why Prequels worked was because of amazing TCW, KOTOR, and TOR lore writers working hard for decades. Disney should learn from them.

[@goodmind4940]

lol what, this is all about EU authors having their own take about Clone Wars, not about George Lucas having different vision

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate’s power is unchangeable.

[@vger4156]

In my Star Wars rpg game, the backstory of the Clone Wars was a Sith Lord created a clone army and attacked the Republic. Since the clones were fast grow, they were an abomination to the Force and insane as a result. Was very disappointed by the prequels.

[@lazzie7495]

That's the danger of writing fanfiction. Anything you create can be paved over by the original creators. I've been thinking about writing a legends story but I anxious knowing anything I write could easily be written out of continuity.

[@atypicaldude7016]

I LOVE THE THUMBNAIL XD

[@kenven4348]

I mean it's possible for it to be an alternate timeline and alternate timelines do exist due to rebels where Ezra rescued Asoka and at the end of the rise of Skywalker Asoka's voice can be heard and so on. At least that's my theory on it. I think it's possible for all these stories to exist fully intact from a certain point of view.

[@McCrapweasel]

Insane Clone Posse

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Episode II was the true great retcon.

[@macwade2755]

This is Canon for me!

[@LoneWolfDovah]

Love the thumbnail

[@rodrigoduarte1122]

For me one of George Lucas mistakes was not used Mandalore in The prequels Movies as well The mandalorians . And i never got why It was called clone Wars If It was a droid Wars .

[@wolfpredator1000]

People complaining about these inconsistencies as if they were of any relevance to the EU's stories like the Thrawn trilogy or Children of the Jedi

[@marielawrence468]

Wether it came out second or last it’s still better than the last 3 movies combined

[@dartharbiter2334]

Yes mr zahn is who we should listen to... He cool

[@ardensvirens]

Tbh, I prefer the darker pre-TCW Clone Wars. It was supposed to be the Great War of the Late Republic and made the case to a PTSD-ravaged Galaxy for the Empire and anti-Jediism. TCW is good, but it's hard to forget what you were reared on lol

[@ТимурЖумабаев-и1ц]

Yeah, it's better because it is so "dark" and "original".

[@valhoundmom]

Have you not read The Republic Commando Series? The Clones were NOT fighting the Republic.

[@ThomasTheLukeEngine]

Honest opinion: this doesn’t sound nearly as cool/fun as the clone wars we actually got.

[@johnnygyro2295]

The version where it's the Republic vs Mandalorians is hilarious in hindsight given what happened in Knights of the Old Republic.

[@youssef2575]

@@johnnygyro2295 what happened?

[@ianblair8515]

@@youssef2575 look up the mandalorian wars or KOTOR story. It will tell u far more than a long comment would. Better yet, play the games. They're amazing.

[@johnnygyro2295]

@@youssef2575 Long story short, some people believed the prequels would've been about the Republic fighting off a Mandalorian crusade whose army was bolstered by clones. Possibly given to them by Palpatine as his unwitting pawns. The Jedi, who's numbers would've been lower, would choose to stay out of the war if not want to end it peacefully. Anakin and Obi-Wan, in turn, would be part of the Jedi who went maverick to fight the Mandalorians. While Obi-Wan would realize that war is hell and that there's nothing wrong with trying peace first, Anakin would become convinced the only way to bring order to a chaotic galaxy was to conquer it all, and thus help Palpatine's coup and turn on the Jedi.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

You came to this video actually thinking the original plans for the CWs when it was under Lucas was going to be better than what we got? Lucas might be mediocre as a director but what you can't deny is his creativity. This was before Disney bought the IP and started pumping out inferior garbage. In fact every Disney release is inferior to Legends, from the Sequel timeline to the Rebels timeline, the bad batch show is already painting an inferior story to the post-clone wars period we got in legends, even the Boba Fett story we are about to get in the Book of Boba Fett is going to be shit compared to his legends story, of that I have no fucking doubt. I don't understand the arrogance of these disney directors instead of sticking to the better legends story they feel compelled to rewrite history for these characters and periods, only to always give us a mediocre or bad downgrade.