PALWORLD'S Problem And Why It MATTERS For Creative Fields

[@abbewinter9249]

I hate that argument about stealing from big corporations. When you steal Pokémon designs, you're not just stealing from the Pokémon Company and Game Freak. You're stealing from people like Atsuko Nishida, an artist and designer who has had her name overlooked since the very beginning. If you don't know her name, she's the woman who designed Pikachu. Not just Pikachu, but many other Pokémon including Dragonair, Glacion, Muna, and Zoroark. It's her work that's appearing in this game. It easy not to feel guilt for stealing from mega corporations because the company's shadow obscures the true victims.

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

Amen! It’s even worse when you remember that she’s also a freelancer. Or at least used to be a freelancer when she made Pikachu, Eevee, Charizard and more back in the days of Gen 1.

[@OliversAntics69]

Exactly!!! So many talented artists working for pokemon, and as an artist and a designer I know how hard character/creature design can be. Their works absolutely need to be respected, and palworld absolutely does not respect their work

[@mistuh69420]

Now what you should be doing is stealing big corporations money-

[@malomodo]

Yeah, I hate strawman arguments too.

[@9ZweihandeR9]

The reason it feels like stealing from a corporation is because the corporation doesn't treat their artists as the owners of the art, the corporation owns the art now because they commissioned it. If the original artists decided to use their own Pokémon designs in their own work they would get sued just like anyone else.

[@OliversAntics69]

What do you think of this style of editing? I like it because it puts less pressure on the art and lets me make more loose and rough drawings (since that's the longest part to film usually), but I'd love to hear your thoughts!

[@ecowo57]

I like it! In the end, the theme of the video isn't the drawing you are making, it's what you are saying about Palworld and Pokemon

[@Howdyasdo]

I like it! Half of my enjoyment of your videos is your commentary so having simpler drawings is nothing bad at all. Adding more essay elements to your videos is a change I will wholeheartedly be behind! Great informative video for someone who only heard of the meme 👍

[@archilarchives]

I think it's perfect for a commentary video, and I love playing your videos while drawing so unless it's it's a sketchbook tour or drawing focused video, I'm probably not staring at the screen. I find your videos relaxing so do whatever you want that will give me more content to consume 🥴 Of course you know I love your traditional drawings so I may be biased. Edit: I would have preferred if the Palworld and Pokemon pictures were separated because I couldn't tell which was which... which is guess is the point but it still would have been nice to put them on either side

[@gart005]

I like this type of art/game commentary. Also the editing was good too because I don't know Pokemons so seeing pictures helps get on the same page lol.

[@OliversAntics69]

If I ever make another video about a topic like this, I'll definitely keep that in mind!

[@Sky-vi6tb]

As a fan of MonsterCatching games the thing that dissapoints me the most about this whole discussion, is the fact that there were a lot of games similar to Pokemon that were entertaining and creative but were ignored by the larger gaming community. Yo-kai Watch is a great example of this. It had 3 games, one of which even outsold the Pokemon game that came out at the same time, and it build its own identity by being more weird and comedy oriented. It is still really popular in Japan, but the newer games are not being localised anymore. Why is it that the fans pick a very clearly uncreative game that just wants to ride the coattails of Pokemon over games that are their own thing and genuinely fun. It really shows that most of the people that are playing Plaworld as a "protest to make Pokemon be better" and to give the Pokemon Company a competitor, are lying. They just want to let their frustrations out nothing more. If they would actually want to give Pokemon a competitor they would have done so already with the multiple AAA and Indie MonsterCatching games that are out there.

[@malomodo]

It couldn't be because they just like Palworld more than Pokemon. It must be an anti- Yo-kai Watch conspiracy! You poke-maniacs are really silly.

[@monster25man]

if it means anything to you because of the masive stink that Palworld has caused I now have given more appreciation for Yo-Kai Watch and the likes, even Cassette Beasts impressed me now I wasn't a hater of "pokemon clones", no no, I just stuck with Pokemon but now because Palworld causing this massive split in the internet, I now am supporting other more HONEST Monster Catching games in the process

[@malomodo]

@@monster25manIsn't the spreading of misinformation what is causing the split? On one side of the argument you have a bunch of people making baseless claims with no evidence whatsoever, and on the other side are people saying "Where is the evidence?" And you preach honesty while spreading these obvious lies? Shameful.

[@awesome_ramen_thief]

i never really liked the whole concept of palsworld ever since I heard about it. Mostly because it felt like it had the vibe being a edgy teenager online who thinks "dark humour" is funny, like 15-year old edgelords kinda thing. nice to see that my distaste for them wasn't unfounded, with their generally disrespect towards art and creativity and them just looking for the next cash grab. imo anyways.

[@incineroar9933]

My big problem with this game is that I want unique creatures in my games. I don't want to see Cinderace but grass type, right down to the extremely similar models. I couldn't care less about the designs that are inspired by mons, those are cool enough. I love monster tamers and I desperately want them to stay varied and unique

[@darryljack6612]

Y- you do know Palworld's existence doesnt invalidate a game of this genre right? If you want that specific aspect, then go play those games. The same way how people played palworld because they wanted something specifically from it.

[@incineroar9933]

@@darryljack6612 it doesn't invalidate those games, but it's success sets a bad precedent for other monster collector games that may be made in the future.

[@darryljack6612]

@@incineroar9933 It's success set a bad precedent... Do you have proof to such a claim? Because... if you dont then that is just your opinion, not a fact. The irony in this is that what palworld did wasnt impossible, nor illegal, nor an infringement of copyright. If what you stated was the case, we would have already seen success from many other properties of this level, but we havent.

[@haveagoodmourning]

@@darryljack6612how do you want them to source a prediction, exactly?

[@darryljack6612]

@@haveagoodmourning By showing statistical data of other games like palworld that have set a precedent in which their own success not only becomes the new standard, but also the ones that follow have close to if not equal levels of success. Seems like a pretty simple concept of using data to support a claim...

[@VolleyCatGaming]

Honestly everything about this video is my general feelings towards Palworld. And frankly, if people want to argue the whole "this will push Pokemon to be better" what it could actually cause is the company to look at Palworld and be like "okay customers wanna see stolen art designs and possibly AI art? Okay we can do that too"

[@jonathanflanagan1504]

Yeah if anything, it's giving the Pokemon Company permission to be even worse, because they'll see that gamers moral standards are really easily compromised in the spirit of petty, misguided spite.

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

3:55 That fire goat design is reminding me so much of a fan made Pokémon design I saw a fan artist make a long time ago and I wish I remembered the person who made it but I swear I saw that design from somewhere.

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

I found out why the fire goat looked so familiar! It’s Flairees from the Pokémon fan game Pokémon Sage! So even designs from Pokémon fan games are not safe from Palworld’s art theft. 🤦

[@gart005]

that's wild

[@indesomniac]

I was also surprised by Palworld’s “success” - I have absolutely no interest in shooting Pokemon, so I didn’t anticipate so many people wanting that? Because their style is so obviously inspired by Pokemon, the juxtaposition between them and the rest of the gameplay and art is bizarre to me. Not to mention the fact you can capture humans and force them to work and sell them in the black market which… is a bit too edgy for my tastes when it comes to a Pokemon-like. The one “original design” that always gets to me is that big blue guy with Drapion’s body plan minus the bug influence. They’ve changed it enough to make it its own design, but I can’t help but look at it and view it as Drapion in a costume.

[@squirrel670]

They had to change where it was made because the main guy who came in was more familiar with unreal engine than unity

[@nebularnova6376]

5:32 instantly made me think of Volcanion. It’s mostly in the feet positioning but also general body shape.

[@imjusthere7970]

me but with heatran-

[@nectarinn3]

Volcanion Heatran lovechild with a vaguely terrakion palette

[@nebularnova6376]

@@nectarinn3 stop cuz I almost said Heatran too but I wasn’t sure if I could still make a case then

[@elvytica]

kinda torterra with camerupt energy lol

[@Cellybeans]

I thought heatran too

[@Redboots]

I think the most interesting thing that I thought of watching this is that there's a fear of originality on the palworlds company's part. if it had a more unique art style and direction, even the blatant ripoffs and stolen designs wouldn't seem so egregious. but because there seems to be a mindset of 'we have to look like the popular version otherwise we won't attract the fans of the popular version' instead of developing something that whilst it's similar has its own merits that could either create fans of its own or entice fans of the popular media looking for something slightly different, instead we get this whole mess... also, ironically, there's accusations that harry potter is a ripoff of a different book series, the worst witch, so that comment you made was kinda funny with that knowledge

[@numynum]

Not finished with the video but a lot of these designs also strike me as being inspired by other monster collector game The small Thunderus girl is stylized very similarly to petite girl yo-kai in Yo-kai Watch like Frostina or Toiletta, and the Deceidueye one is almost 1 to 1 with Sheen/Masamune also from Yo-kai Watch, granted these are similar concepts so I wouldn't be too fussed personally? Not Gyarados also reminded me of some Yu-Gi-Oh and Digimon designs but I don't know enough about either of those to make a proper comparison Given the companies track record and how some of these other franchises are niche even outside of the monster collector genre it really does paint a bad light on the game All in all - just play Ark or Monster Hunter tbh. Or divorce yourself from pokemon altogether if it's something you don't like anymore. I don't understand this absolute desire to "stick it to the company" people have when the Pokémon company is obviously not gonna be hurt by this (buy smaller games will)

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

The not Gyarados’s head is giving me Seadramon vibes so that’s maybe where you get from.

[@numynum]

@@MatildatheMoonwolf googled and holy shit you're right on the money with that one, it's evolutions also make this even more apparent

[@raanab6578]

The thing is we're not looking really at ripping off here as much as different takes on the same inspiration that pokemon or other games draw from, Thunderus is based on Raijin, the god of thunder, that floats around like that on a cloud, Masamune and Bushi in palworld are takes on a pretty common depiction of like a wandering samurai.

[@numynum]

@@raanab6578 yes and my comment agrees with this notion, specially with Masamune. Just pointing out that they aren't just taking inspo from pokemon designs which is why a lot of these are more derivative and feel more original but still familiar If I wanted to imply plagiarism I would've used that word instead, but given how blurry the line is in art online spaces specially I don't blame anyone for taking my comment like an accusation. Clarifying that it absolutely isn't, sorry if it came off that way/lh /nm My problem is the the company that created Palworld and their practices. All of their games are taken from somewhere, big or small and that's what I take issue with Looking back at my og comment this sentiment isn't very clear so my b on that one as well

[@s0ulcode]

I’m not surprised Palworld is popular. Theres a huge group of people in the west still into 2000s & 2010 pop* culture (Pokemon, SpongeBob, Harry Potter) and they like to spin that nostalgia with edgy humor and “what if (character) smoked weed?” They’re also very willing to spend money on this. Palworld isn’t my cup of tea (especially with the theft/ AI allegations) but unfortunately it’s hitting a pretty solid target audience.

[@darryljack6612]

The irony of your comment is that a lager majority of palworld's player base is in the east.

[@CitrusUprising]

Great video! Kinda surprised when talking about monster catchers you didn't bring up more recent, smaller games that were much more directly inspired by Pokemon (Nexomon, Coromon, etc.) since they make a pretty good argument that both Pokemon fans are fine with or even like other monster catchers AND you can draw heavy inspiration from something without it being or feeling like a ripoff

[@iclynnx]

I had no idea Palworld was this bad with the inspiration. I don't care if Pokémon is a company in the billions, it technically started with one person coming up with the idea and giving the concept to a studio to make into a real game and series. It's like if my story was turned into a Dreamworks movie, and some other people created something that was heavily inspired / copied and monetized it. I'd be heavily insulted, despite making tons of money already. It's not about the money.

[@incineroar9933]

I also couldn't care less about them stealing from pokemon, I'm more angered on the side of the artists who put all that hard work into making these designs and models. The hard work is done and it is owned by Nintendo, not the artists, but creating designs is something you put a part of yourself into. Regardless of the legality and who owns what, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@nectarinn3]

At 28:44 the signs in the background image for NeverGrave look strikingly similar to those found in Hollow Knight. I know it's just a bunch of squiggles but the style is specific enough for me to be skeptical.

[@dragonscale46]

I feel like it’s the same style of squiggles and mixed with being the same color palette I think that’s absolutely ripping off of Hollow Knight.

[@Sasha444luvs]

Honestly it looks like pal would tool a bunch of Pokémon artwork, shoved it into an AI model and used the AI to generate a bunch of designs.

[@k0w0res]

I'm on the segment talking about their ai art "game" right now, and I'm just realizing.. that's also plagiarized Look up the game "a fake artist goes to New York" Same exact premise, just with the caveat that the artists can only draw one line, and it's played in person

[@OliversAntics69]

I shouldn't be surprised lmao

[@k0w0res]

@@OliversAntics69 fr :/ these people are allergic to original ideas I guess

[@emeraldqueen1994]

While I do agree that theft is bad and SOME designers are stolen…. some of the ones you mentioned as stolen, in my opinion fit better in the inspired category

[@Flareontoast]

Unrelated to pal world, I need to say that you draw Ogrepon so well!! She looks fantastic

[@OliversAntics69]

Thank you!!! Playing the dlc made me fall in love with ogerpon 🥺

[@RedMage4evah]

One thing I appreciate about Palworld is that it basically is going to be a complete shake-up of the art world to anyone who was considering picking up a pencil. It forces a window into what people have to expect going in. They can't frankenstein stuff they like, they can't trace over anything without at least credit, and even then they will be shamed for being uncreative hacks. And on top of it all? The actual legal line the lawsuit may draw, if it even happens, will make it more difficult for artists to enforce that idea too much.

[@BitingTheAir]

Honestly I was so shocked to see Bristla in the original category??? that is straight up a lilligant with gossifleur's hair?? It has thorns and more realistic eyes but the silhouettes look the same???

[@OliversAntics69]

That's one where after recording the audio I thought about moving it to a different section. I felt like there were stronger examples of inspo and theft both so I figured it was fine where it is, but it's definitely worth taking note of

[@AmyStrikesBack]

My First experience with the game was seeing it on the steam main menu and thinking "this can't be real", since it looked like a shitpost game a youtuber slapped on a weekend because they tought it would be funny and honestly... Im not impressed. It doesn't even look bad, it looks unispired, specially with that sheep pal because wooloo is my favorite pokémon so it felt like a personal attack

[@nixicuga4406]

First I would like to say that your art and editing are superb. You're clearly very talented and while I disagree with the majority of your examples of "stolen" or even "inspired" designs, I wanted to start off by giving credit where it was due. :) When it comes to saying things are "literal" copies, "literally traced" or "actually just stolen", I think it's important to give very clear examples and show evidence. Just because 2 wolf creatures in games with very similar art styles have the same general shape doesn't mean one was "literally traced" off of the other. Especially when you show the side-by-side of the models and the proportions and shapes are actually quite different. Claiming that Lucario and Anubis are so similar that it's essentially a stolen design also feels dishonest, since the only REAL similarity is that they're two bipedal jackal typed creatures that have some form of headdress--two traits that are very obviously derived from the mythological being they were inspired by. If Anubis was blue and had fist spikes, I'd give you that, but ultimately their designs have no similarities aside from being inspired by the same Ancient Egyptian god. Or saying that fuddler's model looks "almost identical" to drilbur even though the side-by-side comparison on the screen shows two mole inspired creatures that couldn't be more different in execution. I could give more examples, but I really wanted to keep it concise. I do think there's something to be said about wanting more variety stylistically, but saying an entire roster of creatures is essentially stolen more or less purely because of similar inspirations or design elements is a bit misleading. "This is a water type platypus but it's a design stolen from psyduck and frogadier because it's blue, has a duck bill and is water type" or comparing lamball to wooloo because they're both based on sheep, even though the execution of the design couldn't be more different. One is quadrupedal, one is bipedal. One has little buttons, one has braids. Both are inspired by sheep with white wool, but that's really where the similarities end. I agree some designs are rather close (like verdash and cinderace), but I think it's worth taking another look and re-evaluating your stance with a more critical and objective eye before deciding that something is intellectual theft. Edit: I would like to add that I have purchased and played every single mainline pokemon game since they started making them in color. Most of the spin-off games, as well. I am a lifelong pokemon fan, but I also have found palworld to be incredibly fun, fresh and it has filled a gap that the pokemon company ahs refused to even attempt to delve into. At the very least, we can hope that palworld's success lights a fire under TPC's ass and inspires them to be innovative again.

[@MegaVirus700]

I feel like this discourse surrounding the game is entirely ignoring the question of is satire plagiarism to begin with. Palworld builds its mechanics around all the parts that pokemon and other monster tamers sweep under the rug or takes things to their logical conclusion. Sure, you could just see that the creatures have guns and you can also shoot them and leave it at that, but it also raises the question of is shooting them less ethical than having a creature with Stockholm syndrome do it for you? What's the difference between giving a pal a gun and using a TM on a pokemon or giving your monsters items in other games? In a world without regular animals, people have to get resources to survive from these cute creatures. In these worlds people take these creatures from the wild and demand labor, usually in the form of fighting for sport, and the creatures are basically paid in food and belly rubs. I don't think any of this would land as well if the designs didn't resemble the most widely recognized monster tamer.

[@hiddenhope7983]

I’m not done yet (almost done with you going over the stolen designs) and gotta say as an artist who’s also a really big fan of monster collectors (like I love digimon and pray every night for a new spectrobs game) and hell im even in the early development phase of making a story that’s a mix of the monster collector and magical girl genres, there are honestly some really good designs in this game that even with it mimicking Pokémon’s art style and design philosophy still could stand on their own, but honestly I do gotta agree the the games art direction coulda stood to aim for something a lot less pokemony, not just to give it more of its own identity but also cause well I’ve seen some of the gameplay (which to give palworld some credit, gameplay wise it does seem to have more of an identity separate from Pokémon from what little I’ve seen) and ngl, I feel like the super cartoony/anime monster models sorta…clash with the more hyper realistic environment? Not to say you can’t mix more realistic backgrounds with more heavily stylized models you can, just in this instance I feel like it kinda clashes more, so I kinda wonder if maybe them looking into the design philosophy for other monster collectors coulda helped a lot with giving the design philosophy more of a identity (like for this game gaining the memey name of “Pokémon with guns” honestly I’m shocked there isn’t more references to say digimon in there. Hell looking at that series for inspo could also help get ideas on how to make the gun elements feel more natural. Although given the art teams work with inspo rn I guess would could probably make an argument the outcome would range from “okay” to “yeah just slapped beelzabumons gun on it and called it a day”) There is more I have to say less on the the art direction and more of like…honestly my personal pet peeves with how it feels like people only care about a monster collector game when it can be a “Pokémon killer” (term I’ve grown to hate) but I think it’s better I save it for when I’m done with the video and I got class soon so…if you were sick of me rambling about dumb shit before boy brace yourselves for me in an hour.

[@hiddenhope7983]

Okay watched the rest of this and omfg, thank you so much for bringing up the stupid “you don’t like it cause it’s another monster collector and you want Pokémon to be the only one” argument, cause especially since that goes into like one of my biggest issues with the like…I guess culture and drama surrounding this game? That being Dude I love monster collectors, that genera was my biggest hyperfixation from when I was 7-10 years old! Hell I already mentioned I really like digimon and want a spectrobe. And ya know what, that’s actually one of the reasons why I honestly take issue with some of the mentality behind palworld or any other game people hype up as a “Pokémon killer”, that being not only is that like…a to be blunt stupid and impossible goal but also there’s a growing part of me that worries that people will only care about a monster collecting game if they see it as a replacement to Pokémon specifically which…call me overdramatic or paranoid but it worries me it’ll just encourage to very little innovation or creativity in the genre if the “Pokémon killers” are the only ones people care about. Like its pretty ironic how back in the day digimon was panned as being a “Pokémon rip-off” despite that effectively the same as saying apples ripped off oranges, but then there’s palworld which as you stated, most of its dex are basically copy’s of existing Pokémon. And ya know seeing how it feels like at least a decent amount of people just…don’t care about that fact cause “it’s a Pokémon killer!” Worries me for the future of the genre of this Is the only way people will give one a try. This isn’t to shame everyone that enjoys palworld I mean like you stated it seems like there’s a lotta unique stuff to enjoy from a gameplay perspective just…yeah I hope I’ve made myself clear here Also…another thank you for bringing up that fans can also be critical of the media they enjoy, I don’t know why this is a concept that’s become absolute rocket science to some people especially on the topic of Pokémon but I swear, some of the best and most well thought out critiques of media I’ve seen have COME from people who are fans of said media imho.

[@OliversAntics69]

I think Digimon is the perfect thing to bring into this topic! I don't know much about it, but everything I do know, it's pretty different from pokemon in general. It focuses on being it's own thing and it does it well, seeing as it's still around. It's not trying to be pokemon; vs palworld who just feels like it's trying to profit off of something more popular instead of going with and developing the good ideas they had. Putting pocket pair aside, it genuinely could've been a great game

[@hiddenhope7983]

@@OliversAntics69 as someone who’s been a fan of both Pokémon and digimon I feel like it’s very good example of how different two series with similar premises can be. At both series core they’re about children who befriend monsters that can grow into more powerful forms with the powers of personal growth and friendship and that’s sorta where the similarities end. I mean I can go into all the key differences between Pokémon and digimon but like Tbh getting into digimon lore would be a massive can of worms XD it can get very complicated and wild but ya know that’s part of what gives its own identity imo. (Like bro don’t even get my started on all the different types of evolution the series has. Like that alone is enough to make it its own thing, digimon evolution trees are fucking crazy man) They both have a lot in common both being part of the same genre but there’s enough that helps give them their own separate identities, I honestly find it hilarious that one of the points that gets hyped up the most about pal world is the whole “Pokémon with guns” when digimon beat em too that decades ago and in a fashion that doesn’t feel nearly as tacky imo XD

[@DizzyRobin]

The concept didn't interest me as I never got the need to make Pokemon an "adult" game that others have, but wow. I have a hobbie as a sims CC creator which involves a LOT of what we call "frankenmeshing". Because taking two separate mesh pieces and slamming them together saves us having to make anything from scratch. You can crank out a frankenmesh in an hour, whereas a unique mesh? Takes a ton more time. Looking at these models in palworld, I just see frankenmeshing everywhere. It's jaw dropping. Take the 3d mesh of the tail of one pokemon, slam it with the body of another, and the head of a third? Bam, totally new OC do not steal apparently. It also shows the sheer bankruptcy of the design because the inspirations behind them are mostly shallow or ripped off, whereas having their own thought process you see in a lot of the "fakemon" community.

[@art-eroflore]

Question, I'd really love to know this for a video im working on: do you have a guide you can share on how you do this? do you use automated tools?

[@TobiasFangorIsntCis]

Hey Oliver, this doesn’t have to do with the subject of the video, I just wanted to say it’s been a few years since I watched one of your videos and I was really surprised by how much your voice has changed! Congrats, man :)

[@OliversAntics69]

Thank you!!!

[@jonathanflanagan1504]

1 point against the idea of AI being used for the designs is, like the gen 9 point, Palworlds dev time. Palworld has been in development for a while before AI art generators had any prevalence on the internet and they had shown off a good deal of Pals already in trailers before any public AI art generators were released. Still, the company is exceptionally shady from a creative standpoint. They themselves have admitted that they do not strive to be trend-setters.

[@IsabellaMathew]

I hate how people would justify stealing.

[@LoraStormBelle]

20:37 that pal straight up stole primarina's hair. theres a tweet somewhere comparing the two, and it looks traced.

[@TheSpeep]

11:00 That cat isnt so much Meowscarada as its Gliscor, but a cat.

[@jortslesbian]

that fourth pikemon reallly remonds me of liligant

[@Mars44875]

I haven’t watched your content in a while and immediately screamed OH MY GOD HE WENT ON T when I heard your voice! So proud of you buddy

[@OliversAntics69]

Thank you 🥺

[@Mars44875]

@@OliversAntics69 np you’ve always been a huge inspiration for me and as a trans guy myself I cannot describe how happy I am for you

[@TheSpeep]

I'm not a regular viewer, I had no idea the dude was trans, wouldnt have noticed had noone brought it up. But hey, congratz on the transition!

[@silverhowl9331]

@@OliversAntics69 Heyyy Congrats! 👏

[@sadraccoonboy]

Honestly a couple of the original ones remind me more of monster hunter monsters. I totally see a Lagiacrus and Bullfango in there, but as more of an inspiration thing, not copying (though the bullfango is pushing it) Also I find it really funny that on my comments on multiple different videos about the difference between inspiration and copying, the singular pal that comes up as ‘no, there’s such thing as taking inspiration from the same thing, it’s not a copy!!’ is… the lycanroc one. One of the few that’s INSANELY similar. Yes, of course there’s multiple inspirations stemming from a WOLF. That’s different than looking THAT close to Lycanroc. There’s plenty of other wolves in other games that look nothing like Lycanroc, so why when I look at this specific one do I think: ah, it’s Lycanroc.

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

Digimon have like at least 3 different wolf designs that look like nothing like Pokemon (Garurumon, Dorulumon and Fangmon) so the ‘excuse’ that they are using is not a good one. You can make a unique design, it just takes time and effort.

[@TheGreenSnek]

It's a shame how so many people are using Palworld as "the Pokémon killer" when there's so many other monster catchers in development or that just released just now that aren't getting any attention at all. I follow games like Kindred Fates and Coromon that are pretty fun and I barely hear anyone talk about them. The most I've been hearing about is Cassette Beasts and it feels like that is already fading into obscurity. Like what you and Austin John said, if they just made their style more unique and fixed up their pal designs I think Palworld would work really well! But it's a shame that fans are so focused on being petty and having a vendetta against a big corporation than instead hoping for something new and unique to bring to the table. Loved your video and your art style is so pretty! I can't wait to see more and I'm so glad I discovered you! ❤

[@squirrel670]

People want the edge. People actually want to play slave simulator and put Pokemon in mines.

[@minkers2096]

This along with the obvious gameplay taken from both BOTW and ARK. Playing it feels too familar i vomit

[@biancabunny6207]

Well, I don't like the justification that Palworld fans use... that "Nintendo and Game Freak deserve this", or even worse, "It's impossible to create any creature that doesn't resemble Pokémon nowadays"... like, are they really underestimating someone's ability to create an original design without resembling Pokémon?? Have they forgotten that Nexomon exists... TemTem exists... and even Dragon Quest... obscure indie games... or even other franchises such as Super Sentai, whose characters have always been groups dressed in colorful masks and spandex, and yet they manage to create unique designs for the outfits from 1975 to the present day... These are arguments from people who want to attack Nintendo and Pokémon Company in some way and think that Palworld will be in the right no matter the circumstances.

[@kalonacre]

can we talk about her editing style? its very easy to watch, and draws attention to the video, but doesnt distract from her voice. love the video!

[@Shleepidreamz]

They're nonbinary/trans masc.

[@tikimillie]

I think he sheep is a bad example as, you know, they’re both pretty basic sheep. Theres much more blatant examples.

[@nidusxvii3224]

There's a shitload of bad examples in this video. It was already pushing it with the "Inspired" category, but when even the old judge in court can easily tell Lamball and Wooloo aren't the same, the takes require even more scrutiny than Palworld.

[@raanab6578]

That and the fact that even while being basic sheep there are significant differences. Like one is bipedal with arms and no head, just a face on a ball, the other is four legged with a head and braids. There's only so many ways to a sheep in the same art style, I really don't like the broad power people seem to want to give a large corporation to own concepts and styles liek this.

[@CreativaArtly]

Definitely had the gut feeling from the start. The designs were just so similar. So so similar.

[@cadeallison1102]

9:01 That tail is extremely like Gligar's, but also they gave that bat thing a scorpion tail so who knows if that's actually where it's from

[@cadeallison1102]

I'd recognize Gligar anywhere, that's my BOY

[@lightseviper8918]

From a thousand pokemon, I guess combining 3 pokemon from different gens is entirely in the "stolen" category. Some of them I can't defend, like the lycanroc lookalike, but c'mon. Just because it looks like 3 pokemon fused together with what a different body type you say it's stolen? Those ones don't even give me stolen vibes. I don't know, a big part of this video is just stretching

[@Maringuely]

A lot of the pal designs look like they went into a pokemon fuser, fused a bunch of Pokemon and then thought, sick now lets change the homework up a little bit so they wont know Its really frustrating because i want pokemon to have competition so newer games are better, especially since scarlet and violent were a bit of a let down but a massive step in the right direction. But pal is such blatant plagiarism and edge for the sake of edge that it hurts and it hurts that so many are holding it up as a masterpiece when its so creatively bankrupt and has nothing of substance behind the fact that its edgy pokemon with guns Its even more frustrating that creativity is slowly becoming the least important aspect of creative media. When making Games, movies, shows, writing or drawing creativity should be at the forefront of the process. An original idea or style should be the start of making something but its slowly becoming the least important thing to so many people and thats the worst part of this all

[@OliversAntics69]

Exactly; I think scarlet and violet could have been the best mainline game in the series, but MAJORLY fell flat due to performance (and a few other issues, but rushing it was the main flaw imo). They were definitely headed in the right direction with scarlet and violet, but I honestly feel like this will set pokemon back more than anything; it shows how tolerant people are with screwing over the creative community for the sake of profit- even though I'm sure people would criticize pokemon if they did exactly what palworld is doing. Which only proves to me that there IS a problem with palworld and they're just siding with it for the sake of being against the pokemon company

[@RavensCake]

I watched this vidoe and you did a great job! but when you started talking about their other games something sounded very familiar so I looked a bit and I realized the game AI: art imposter that's copying a jackbox game or more exactly a mini game in push the button. The minigame Drawing quarters is the one they are copying exactly. that came out in 2019 the art imposter game came out in 2022

[@OliversAntics69]

I thought so! I haven't played any jackbox games myself, so I wasn't sure. I knew I heard of a similar game like that before, but I couldn't remember from where or what it was so I didn't mention it

[@cassarootle]

Absolute banger video! Honestly, seen some of the discourse on twitter and haven't thought much more about it so this was incredibly informative and comprehensively put together! I really enjoyed this editing style too, with it being more varied as well as still including the art being drawn my attention was still held perfectly well :) So glad to see you making more videos branching out into video essay form, the effort you're putting into them is really paying off and I'm excited to see what you do next!

[@OliversAntics69]

This is honstly really comforting to hear adfjkhgdk I knew it was different from my other videos, but I really enjoyed it! I definitely wanna make more like this in the future with other stuff I like ❤️

[@impsail374]

I think digimon is the better pokemon with guns lol

[@LunaFuu]

I've only been seeing videos arguing in the other direction so I wanted to watch all of your video to get more of a complete picture. I feel like about half of the "stolen" category was a bit of a stretch, but that still leaves a lot I agree were just outright stolen designs, and it's extremely strange because the original designs they came up with are generally really great?? It's a very weird situation because they clearly worked very hard on the game in a lot of areas, so it seems like a waste to just grab already existing designs and trace over them and ruin all credibility, I'd much rather they just have less Pals if that's the case... The company definitely wants to smash things they like together to make a popular product and while that itself isn't bad on it's own, the way they went about it is very strange especially considering all the work they still had to do to get all these different mechanics and designs to work together... It's a really odd situation that's way more complex than I had initially thought. The trailer absolutely made it look like it would be a scam joke game, but I never expected them to put work into making it a normal real game. I don't trust the CEO at all, but he's also weirdly open about not knowing how to run a company or how to make games?? I just don't know, I'm curious how this will all evolve over time. Thank you for the in-depth and concise video on a very messy subject!

[@empyreal_pyri]

while i did think 1 or 2 of the stolen ones were kind of a stretch, it makes no dent in your point. it also, overall, isn't any kind of "got ya!!" moment. i would like to say my biggest gripe with palworld is the very blatant theft and the previous game the company made. i was gifted the game before knowing any of this. it's fun. it's goofy. i would have 0 issues with playing palworld if they redesigned the stolen pals, especially ones where the models are just ripped off. but i still wouldn't want to support the company or game devs after knowing what they support. *if* pokemon chooses to take a legal stance on this, because i imagine they aren't going to just glance at stuff and go "yup, get em boys", then i'll likely consider myself out of any support towards palworld. at all. especially if legal action is taken and the devs of palworld either act inappropriately or refuse to change anything about their game. that 2nd one would probably completely screw them over, though. anyway tl;dr: i don't support the devs of palworld and i hope they alter many of the designs to be more original instead of just copying designs. pokemon with guns is funny. Pokemon™ with guns is theft.

[@OliversAntics69]

Basically exactly how I feel about it!

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

19:01 I notice that that thing's ears and color palette are clearly taken from Skitty.

[@Jamafly]

I'm curious to the overlaps with digimon or other monster taming games designs/inspired by 🤔

[@OliversAntics69]

I'd definitely like see someone more familiar with them look at them; they resemble pokemon the most by far but I wonder if any of the designs I said were original or inspired look like creatures from other games

[@MoonMoon-zz3lq]

@@OliversAntics69I definitely think there are other things to point out, like one of the designs also suspiciously resembling totoro, or another looking like that witch character from Konosuba

[@strangevol5264]

@@OliversAntics69The Egyptian-esque one is literally the one made by Game Theory to appeal to Markiplier but recolored. Man.

[@pyrobomb3161]

​@@strangevol5264 or it's just Anubis, the Egyptian god of death, who just so happens to be a jackal in his depictions

[@mr.broman3721]

The thing that’s funny is that palworld’s creature designs were just made to look like pokemon. Like it doesn’t have its own art style or anything. U can tell they didn’t say “design cool monsters”, just “make something that looks like this.” I played tons of pokemon ripoff apps as a kid, the one i mainly remember is an app called mino monsters, and even these free iphone apps from 2012 had more vision and creativity. Stuff that people accuse of ripping off pokemon, like digimon, yokai watch, etc i could all trace back to their respective series. The only thing that makes me recognize a pal is just how bad they look! Idk if the game is fun or not and i don’t care honestly but the designs are so ugly and derivative. I just can’t get behind it at all.

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

The thing that "looks like Hisuan Decidueye" I can only see as Chansin or its evolutions from Yokai Watch.

[@Mr.Galleom]

I find it highly unlikely AI was used. As you said, the game has been in development for years. AI image generation was not that developed years ago.

[@cookie856]

"How gameplay-wise it's similar to pokemon" Look up Ark gameplay too, hitting stuff you want to tame/capture is big there XD

[@thatanxiouspotato430]

Honestly I'm not surprised some of the pal assets were stolen/traced, the pals just look so out of place in the world they've been placed in and it confuses me how I've barely seen anyone point that out. I mean it looks like they took a bunch of different assets from a bunch of different game genres and smashed them together (not saying that's what they did it's just what it looks like). That's why I was so confused about it getting so much praise, I mean the games appearance just screams cheap knockoff. And the sad thing is that it's a good concept "pokemon but a survival game" sounds like it'd be a really fun thing to play, but they ruined it with their unoriginality, cheapness and all the unnecessary edginess.

[@Q27Forever]

Please never stop making videos like tamaytka you are super great

[@WhiskeredNightfall]

Took the words right out of my mouth! I don’t care about the game play or if PalWorld is 'better than modern Pokémon' that’s all subjective (I personally don’t enjoy survival games). I want unique creature designs and not blatant rip offs of a much more popular franchise. What’s annoying is that they have cool ideas already but they get lazy. People are eating it up and this will only show investors 'okay, we can just be as lazy, let’s use AI and make something similar to *insert popular game here* but change it a bit to avoid copyright, and it’s going to be okay because people will see the similarities and be hyped about it'.

[@Nyx_ofthenight]

5:35 giving heatran and torterra tbh

[@SpiritKitten]

I can't even play it because it's only on PC or streaming. I'm not that big a gamer...

[@Sky-vi6tb]

What I also find interesting is that people are now saying that Palworld will "teach Nintendo a lesson about how they should make their games". In what way will Nintendo learn anything good from Palworld? They will learn that people do not care about originality and creativity and the thoight that is put behind a lot of Pokemon will fade away because "the fans liked it when Palworld did it". Or even worse they could think that they can use AI because, fans were not put off by the idea that Palworld potentialy used it so they can too. Overall I think Palworld will see a surge in the media and then will fall off in two months or so, the same way every other "Pokemon Killer" that existed before. Edit: I wrote the comment before watching the end of the video and now that I did I am happy to see that I am not the only one thinking about this point.

[@Monobrobe]

Even among the Pals, there are some that look too similar to each other. Foxparks and Rooby are both fire foxes (if Rooby isn’t a fox, then I have no idea what it’s supposed to be), then there’s the three different plant ladies, two that are *extremely* similar. Ragnahawk and Faleris are both fire birds with an orange/black color scheme… you could argue that Faleris is supposed to be a “legendary” version of Ragnahawk, like how Diancie is to Carbink, but with only one generation, it seems too soon to lean into such an idea. I absolutely hate how people are treating Pokémon these days. Have you seen how many videos are talking about “fixing” Pokémon designs? As an artist, I am very wary of anyone who claims to “fix” art, no matter what they’re actually doing. Like… Pokémon is a corporation, yes, but there are still people behind those designs??? I’d much prefer if they just say they redesigned a Pokémon instead of fixing it. Twitter’s “art fixing” phenomenon should’ve made people abandon using “fix” as a verb when it comes to art. I do agree that the art style is what makes this controversy so huge. If they had tried to do their own art style, I don’t think the outrage would be nearly as bad. I mean, look at Temtem. That’s another one that treads closely to Pokémon territory but no one talks about it.

[@Puff-lp8sk]

Might be a hot take, but a similar color palette shouldn't be a stolendesign, because in most cases these oh so original colors are green and darker green. Also designs that take inspiration from the same base shouldn't be in the stolen category, because most of the time that implies that pokemon basically owns the copyright of a fluffy sheep like in wooloo's case. Or in the case if designs like 21:46 this is basically "pokemon did it first so others are not allowed to do it" cause that is just a green dress that I've seen women wear before mega gardevoir was thought of. Actually most cases of stolen designs here are 'let's see what detail I can vaguely squint at and think of a pokemon it reminds me of." And in the case of 20:07 that's just a fire catress. If you think that I'm the one with the rose tinted glasses in this case, please feel free to explain why, I genuinely want to know.

[@OliversAntics69]

The color pallets are something in most cases I wouldn't mention; if it were JUST color pallets, it wouldn't even be an argument. It's just something to consider when you look at all the other theft. And when it comes to designs like the wooloo; it's not JUST about the concept. Like I showed in the inspired and even some original designs, there's plenty of directions to take the same concept for a design. If we look at the wooloo, it's not just the fluffy sheep aspect. It's the same concept, the same design elements, the same color pallet, the same shapes in the design, etc, all in one pal taken from one pokemon. Tanzee is another good example; it's not the consept of a grass monkey that's the problem; grookey is another grass monkey pokemon but grookey and tanzee look nothing alike look nothing alike. But when you look at pansage (another grass monkey) there's the same body shape, patters on the face, shape if the tail, etc. Like in the example you shared; the consept of a fire based mage-like creature isn't the problem; even if they're both fox creatures. But look at the shape of the hat, the fluff around the neck, the sleeves, and the almost one-to-one color pallet. Like I said in the video, there's nothing wrong with having the same concept for a design. But finding a creature with the same concept you're looking for and taking elements directly from it is absolutely not okay

[@virsonyx]

You should take a peak at some of the pals’ similarities to digimon!

[@Sirenxox0]

9:05 the tail looks a lot like hisuian arcanine imo

[@zoruasnivy]

Nintendo got a guy put in jail and millions in debt for helping to mod Switches. I think Pocketpair is playing a dangerous game

[@darryljack6612]

And yet... nothing happened in basically a month the game has been out, and public knowledge. It's almost like palworld isnt violating any actual legal standings.

[@stardoogalaxie9314]

The little Ive seen of Palworld gave me Level Design C+ assignment. A lot of it looks empty as hell

[@maeveliv2517]

You're really gonna say wixen is a copy of someones fire wizard fox when pokemon has done this to fans like 5 times, from the new superhero dolphin pokemon to the 2 headed fire plant theres been a few but if you understand art and how it's often inspired or derived, I feel as though you should understand why this happens and why pokemon most likely didnt copy fans and neither did palworld, and also theres a couple you pointed out like the one similar to ceruledge (who looks like a metabot) which was shown off well before ceruledge was shown off. Why cant we just enjoy transformative art of other art styles we already enjoy? I'm sure if someone cared enough to do this stuff to pokemon vs digimon or dragon quest, it would look very damming as well, although I will admit palworlds art style plus the fact it's taking inspiration makes it look worse but that's just it... it only looks worse because pokemon doesnt own an artstyle since how many times have they changed art styles? Charazard looks nothing like reshiram, they almost dont look like they're from the same game if you really look at them, so at what point does a company span across so many art style changes that it just becomes hard not to copy it to some degree when pulling inspiration? And c'mon dont do my girl chillet like that, shes so adorable while furret is literally pokemons least inspired design since the time they just put a seel in their game named seel...

[@dragondoodles78]

My friend showed me a live stream of Palworld and afterwards it was everywhere. It made me super uncomfortable. Pokemon is really light hearted, while Palworld feels like its edgy cousin.

[@candicraveingcloude2822]

The biggest twist is the violent edge to it . But it definitely fails the squint/glance test (aka if you take two scrreenshots and put them side by side can you tell them apart at first glance or while squinting eyes). One of the biggest challenges people have when they are angry with a company is "how do i support the artists without certanty that I'm not also supporting the company they work for." Because they likw the artists of the people working for the company but don't like the condition of the company itself. Perhaps palworld is an expression of this anger and chooses to answer the question with "no you can't " but goes the wrong way.

[@chebikitty5566]

I play Palworld and love it a lot. I have some reservations about some of the ones you put in the stolen category. I personally feel that is you need to mention more then two Pokemon that parts are stolen from then it is not stolen. That is just inspiration. I agree things like tracing models and stuff like direct one to one identical rips is bad. The Cinderrace one is way way to similar. But things like Anubis just aren't stolen.

[@chebikitty5566]

I would like to add about the A.I stuff, the A.I game was fully trained on in house art or used public domain art. The tweet by the developer was actually retweeting another post made by another user. The head developer has also been asked in interviews(and yes he could be lying) if they used ai at any point in the making of Palworld and he said no. He thinks A.I. could be used in the future if done ethically but we need more time to develop and come up with the methods for such inclusion.

[@lk_3099]

There's so many other amazing monster taming games that deserve people's attention and money, yet often get overlooked and ignored, even called a pokeclone. Like, these people need to make up their mind, do you want pokemon to have competition that does better or are you actually okay with how the games currently are?

[@darryljack6612]

I'm pretty sure the people calling other properties pokemon clones are pokemon fans. Because palworld itself is also being called a pokemclone just like with other creature games.

[@lk_3099]

@@darryljack6612 I assure you it's also outsiders doing that. That and pokemon fans dislike their own series as well.

[@darryljack6612]

@9 I dont doubt that there are people not apart of the community that uses such a term. But i would say the vast majority of it is from (the toxic kind) pokemon fans, as they have more of a self believed reason to use the term.

[@blankcanvas3358]

As deserving is of criticism as Pokemon is, at least they aren’t involved with AI and NFT’s. I’d rather not say they should be motivated to be more like the people who applaud computers burning through resources to Frankenstein images and resell them to the highest bidder. I feel like people are so desperate for an upgrade to Legends: Arceus with slavery because they are afraid they won’t find gameplay like this anywhere else. We need to encourage all developers to hold the same standards, especially now for the creative industry. We can have good games and proper ethics. Yes, the people running Pokemon games need to be better. NO, Palworld is NOT the solution to encouraging that and we won’t lose all chances of ever having a fun game again because of that.

[@16Zulee16]

I feel like it gives me neopets vibes and pokemon and digimon for me.

[@Will-ti4vr]

Your mention of JK Rowling made me laugh just because I remembered how apparently an author who published a few books from the 80s called “Larry Potter” and “Something Something and The Muggles” tried to sue her for copyright infringement and lost but I still totally choose to believe JK totally stole the term “muggle” and the name Harry Potter cause 1) It’s funny, and 2) I hate her and don’t owe her any good faith with the sheer amount of harm she does with the influence she has

[@michaelr3077]

Your arguments were getting worse as you went on but then you immediately lost me as soon as you started with the stolen designs.

[@gaybowoser]

I think for me, i would abscribe the "stolen" tag to direct copy and past of assets/parts (like the lycanroc/salazzle/primarina case, thought i think they were debunked because the topoly (not the size) is different (not sure if its true though)), i dont think people should "own" certain stylizations of eyes, hair, shapes, general silhoettes or even more specifc combinations in MOST cases. Im also a huge pokemon fan (i even enjoyed scarlet and violet lol) but ive always found it unfair that other creature catchers like digimon, yokai watch or tem tem, it feels like they are always initially shut down as "clones" in general because pokemon has kind of a monopoly on the creature capture genre. I do think AS A WHOLE, im like 99% sure they were heailly referenced from pokemon, which does seem scummy, im no lawer but i think they could have a better case with some sort of lawsit if they frame it as a package instead of individual pals.

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

I feel like a lot of the Pals, especially the stolen ones, have great designs ... You just, gotta trick your self into thinking that their Fakémon or fan made regional forms 'Cause while I do like them, they're just. They're just f*cking Pokémon

[@OliversAntics69]

There's definitely song good ones in the inspired and original sections, but I wouldn't call most of the stolen designs "great designs" tbh. Recoloring something with some slight differences isn't really "designing" something, and I just wish they leaned more into the actual original designs they had

[@Auroraflair]

I just feel like a lot of the designs they look Pokemon and said ok, make a grass goat too, ok make a short water duck too and change the color, take the colors from jigglypuff and squish clifairy and meowth together. It just feels like they threw popular things in a AI and said make things out of thes popular things. Not making cartoons of real life animals. Like the totoro-electabuzz. Frostalion and its Noct version look like My Little Pony Celestia and Luna. I just dont like that they didnt seem to create their own thing like say Digimon felt like its own thing. These just felt like stolen pieces mixed up into alchamy mashups. Also feels one is a grass version od carbunkle from final fantasy. The large penguin looks like King Deedeedi (cant recall how names are spelt). I do like Palworld in doing what I want Pokemon to do (doesnt need the guns) although if Pokemon did do it, it would be cheep and they wouldnt have half the features. Would have like 2-3 houses to choose from that would be stationary and same with furniture that you wont be able to move. The pokemon would barely move if not being just stationary with a little wiggle. I hope a pokemon version will be thought of with lots of options but they dont like to do more than bare minimum. Reptyro I feel was a trace of Heatran. It just all feels like my friend in school who tried to fit in with my other friend and I but we could draw our own things but we could tell she traced hers because she couldn't draw anything in a different angle of a character and she always drew on tracing paper with pretty deep pen lines. We just wish she would find her own talent because she was trying to copy us but it just didn't seem like something she could go draw her own character. I just wish they made it their own with their own ideas that were not pulled off of popular cartoons and more so made off of popular creature concepts and different colors. If you are just going to grab the colors from other pokemon (and the shades and eye shape match...) just pick a random color from the color pallet.

[@Kristall_Fox]

A game where you have guns and creatures you can tame and fight with? And it has base building elements and also there is a mysterious tower? Yeah I have heared of that game before. Its called ark survival evolved. Everyone who says this is what pokemon should be like really just wants to play ark. As someone who has played ark for more than 200 hours pal world game play just looks like the pokemon mod in ark.

[@WhiteCresentKnight]

People like to cry that anyone criticizing the same is just defending a big corporation, but when the rest of the games actually put in effort and are creative and what gets the money is a half baked uninspired ark game is fully willing to shit on Palworld.

[@aranavenger]

Several of the "Original Designs" you showed were just "inspired by" other franchises. Okami, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest ect. Blazehowl and Blazehowl Noct are literally just Teostra and Lunastra without wings Tombat is closer to Dragon Quest Vampire Succubat and Dracky mixed Digtoise also takes from Bowser Bushi leans further into the humanoid in the Samurai/Ronin inspiration than Decidueye but still heavily takes from decidueye as well I have no idea where you see Gardevoir in Quivern tho. That one lost me Frostalion is an MLP oc TL;DR - More franchises than Pokemon are being "Used as inspiration"

[@Stardusk123]

I heavily disagree. I think the concept of theft in the art and gaming community is literally nonsense. The "original" artwork we make as humans is literally made of a million different things that we've experienced in our lives. What we've grown up watching or reading, the artists and people we've looked up too. Art itself is a mixing pot. To point at designs and claim them as stolen because it happens to use similar shapes or colors, is stupid. Especially when some designs are literally based on animals from real life. Chillet is literally a ferret in real life. ferrets will in fact stand up like that, as well as meerkats and weasles. That one is literally a hedgehog and a wolf. Pokemon does not own the shape of an animal from real life. Rooby is literally a creature I thought of making before, its a deer and a fox combo. I love deer and I love foxes, so why not combine them? In school you are taught to use references for art, magazine photographs, art from artists you like, movies and shows. You are literally taught to copy in order to learn to do art. Granted it's not tracing, its looking and replicating the photograph, but the photograph in itself is a piece of art, someone had to take a camera and wait for that perfect moment to catch that image for you to reference. You don't see any other artists crediting the photo references they used when they make art. Even if they used a reference for a bike, or a hand, or a pose etc. I doubt anyone has their own photography studio setup to take the perfect pose pics, You can say you use a model in blender or something for ref, but someone spent hours making that model that you are using for free. Either we all have to credit everything from our lives/we reference for an art piece, or we all should just shut up and create things and stop bickering. This is exactly why Art isn't fun anymore, this is why the people who have fun doing art don't post it. When you are a kid, everything you come up with seems original and amazing. A horse with a mermaid tail, a school that happens at night instead of daytime. Once you go online, you realize not a damn thing you make is original. It has all already been done or thought. Really ruins the fun. Especially if you still post it and now people are comparing it to things you have never seen or heard of, thinking its inspired by it or a copy of it or something. I literally had a dream I wanted to make into a game and someone said there was already a game like that. Like bruh.... I never even heard or seen that game. Eitherway we all need to go touch grass irl. paint something from irl. fighting over this is just exhausting.

[@jonathanflanagan1504]

My favorite way to describe Palworld is to call it a Parasite. It's only successful BECAUSE of the outrage and controversy surrounding it and because it took basically all of it's ideas and design elements from other well-established franchises. The worst part is that this will tell other people looking to make monster collecting games that they should actively try to look like a pokemon rippoff instead of trying to be new and unique, because when you look at the steam data, Palworld is by FAR, the most successful monster collector other than Pokemon to ever exist.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

I enjoy both Pokemon and Palworld. I think the designs considered stolen are distinct enough where they don't break the law. Do a few ride the razors edge? Certainly. However, I feel if you took it to court they would have no problem proving they were distinct enough. I wouldn't be surprised if many disagree but just calling it how I see it. Also, many forget that many pokemon designs were also ripped off I mean inspired by other games and animation. You won't have any problem finding anime or manga penguins that look like Piplup before Piplup was released for example. The drama is a bit fascinating as many fly to GameFreak's defense but where were these same people when you had mega corporations like Disney ripping off Kimba the White Lion and calling it the Lion King? Same argument maybe? It was a good movie so it was okay that it was a ripoff? Well... Regardless of which side of the fence you fall I hope PalWorld at least shook the pillars of GameFreak enough where they stop being lazy in their game making. They could have made a game like PalWorld but with Pokemon a decade ago. It wasn't just a few people but a lot of people that asked for it and even gave suggestions. GameFreak ignored them and played it safe and got spanked for it. If I were GameFreak I'd put out my own survival Pokemon game with similar mechanics or even copied mechanics to Palworld. Then they can play the I won't sue you if you don't sue me game.

[@Nicholas_Percy]

I find cinnamoth looks a lot like gmax butterfree

[@kra_hme]

I thought it was Pokémon, I watched a guy play it and it was funny. Idk how to play Pokémon but I thought it felt like a Pokémon play through

[@dhammpy90]

depressos tail is a semi-colon :')

[@shardinhand1243]

excellent game, i highly recommend it, as for its spoofing the designs... thats fine its not stealing when its not traced, ie stolen asets. thats everything that matters. not even using ai art would matter as an artist is an artist, human animal or machine that said, there is no ai use in the game. inspite of lies being spread. same with stolen assets, thats been proven false.

[@hannahkennelly6961]

There is another video that goes into detail about you cant copywrite animals so lifmunk was put into the original catigory, he goes into detail about why certain pals are original and has more detailed categories about why some are more on the copied. Love the game!!

[@jy840]

No. I really, cannot, in an honest way agree with the “they used the 3D models of Pokémon” argument. Even the example of direhowl, lichenrock weren’t identical. There’s only so many ways to model/draw a generic wolf/dog and BOTH OF THEM ARE GENERIC WOLF/DOGS. Shit not even the polygons match, dude.

[@raanab6578]

Agreed, the bad argument on the scaling hides the real deception of using solid models where the slimmer one disappears into the thicker one mostly giving the appearance of identical models despite the fact they're different takes on a wolf. And I've seen 3d modellers argue on both sides of whether it's modified models or not, with a few pointing out that the changes needed to modify the model into what it became are more trouble than starting fresh.

[@nootnootman6353]

Noot noot

[@shrimpchris6580]

Haven't disagreed with much up to this point, but Tombat being called meowscarada inspired feels like a wild stretch. Like even ignoring the timeline, I can't see nearly enough similarities to even consider it. "Lamball and Wooloo are the same" Actually just a completely absurd opinion. They don't have the same colors or any of the same design elements outside of "sheep," they don't even stand the same. If you wanted to make the pokemon comparison, it honestly looks more like "Sheep Jigglypuff" in both the way it stands, and the hair swirl.

[@shrimpchris6580]

There are some real egregious Pals but this is rapidly evolving into completely absurd stretches. The defense for that delphox design is that they really don't look like the same take on a delphox design at all Verdash does look like shit and is a ripoff though. A lot of these have the problem that you're just not going to be very convincing when you start to have to put 4,5,6 or more pokemon elements into a design, at some point with those it's just a creature in an aped pokemon style following a docket for stylized proportions of pieces which you can like or dislike, but is a different argument to make entirely. The Jetdragon one is particularly funny because it seems like you're doing that with it, but somehow missed that it's a pretty notable copy of Latios/Latias more than any of the half a dozen thrown on screen in that segment.

[@BlissfullWulf]

Man, the amount of reaching people make to say that this or that Pal is *clearly* stealing from this and/or that Pokemon is ridiculous. A quick Google search tells me that there are over 1000 Pokemon now, of course with those numbers you're gonna be able to frankenstein together enough pokemon design elements to claim basically any cutesy anime creature is stealing from Pokemon. 'This Pal based off of a basic animal combined with an elemental motif is CLEARLY stealing from Pokemon!' Yes, Pokemon owns the concept of a water based manta ray, and a wizard bird, and a round sheep, and everything else from the natural and mythological world that they've ever drawn inspiration from. While there are some Pals that are a lot more inspired by Pokemon than others, the fact that people seem to think Pokemon holds a monopoly on these design elements is absurd. Now if you'll excuse me, I should probably go tell the companies that make those pink lawn flamingoes that they're stealing from Pokemon.

[@ThatLazyStray]

The pokemon bias in the comments is kinda funny ngl. For anyone going on that this is a cash grab, maybe look into the history of palworlds making, it's a massive underdog because NO ONE would fund them because the company couldn't prove the game would do well because there's nothing *quite* like it out there. Yes, it takes a lot of aspects from different games, but it combines those aspects into something completely unique. They got people who were completely outside of the field and gave them a full career, and have listened to player feedback to improve the game leaps and bounds since it's initial release into *early access*. And even in early access it still runs better than Pokémon violet did. I love Pokémon, I really do, but I haven't been happy with it for a very long time and i haven't finished a Pokémon game in even longer. Some Pal designs are definitely inspired, I'm not denying that, but when people start crying theft over a sheep I start drawing the line. A sheep is a sheep and a penguin is a penguin. There's also over 1000 pokemon at this point. You could literally draw a scribble and someone's gonna yell Tangela, especially when your mashing about 5 different pokemon together for a lama.

[@Cobweb_Cow]

Moo

[@OliversAntics69]

Never even considered this, thank you for this wisdom

[@NoiseDay]

Only at 5 minutes so far. I'd like to see a comparison of the "original" Palword designs and other games with 3D monsters. I'm not familiar with the genre, but games like the Tales series and any jrpg types probably have some incredibly similar designs if you divorce them from the pokemon aesthetic. Let's be honest, games of the same genre rip each other off all the time and art in general is not as unique as we'd like to think it is. Still not defending Palword because I haven't finished the video.

[@NoiseDay]

Yeah, at least 50% of the "inspired" and "stolen" designs are just copy pasted Frankensteins. After seeing the gameplay, I just don't like how dissonant the art styles are between the mons and the environment.

[@OliversAntics69]

That's another issue it has, but wasn't sure how it fit in the video. I guess that's what happens when you focus on looking like another franchise instead of studying whay makes different visual styles work

[@Lemoncardbourd]

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[@SweetTaleTeller]

I like Lifmunk I wish it was a Pokemon... Pokemon should steal it as vengeance for Cinderace. (JK)

[@KattaDraws]

The creature design is definetly the most cynical thing in the game. I wish they would have made original designs or at least created an original style. Because, and this is my biggest problem: Other than the creature design it is not a copy of Pokemon. And even though the game is such a cynical affair and buggy as hell, it demonstrates how the Pokemon company has been slacking on evolving and innovating their games. Yes I would have preffered a lovely game with original art design to push the Pokemon games to do something different. But the fact a soulless game like Pal World can beat Pokemon when it comes to enjoyable game design... it's at the same time so embarrassing that I cannot completly disregard Pal World. I just hope Pokemon takes it as a reason to rethink their politics on developing games.

[@OliversAntics69]

Yup, this is pretty much why they souldn't have stolen designs to begin with- though that begs the question if it would be as popular as it is if it DIDN'T steal from pokemon

[@TheGreenSnek]

@@OliversAntics69 I do seriously believe the cynical aspect is the whole appeal. Especially whenever I see posts or videos that are defensive about Palworld and crapping on those who take issue with it, they act just as cynical as the concept of the game they're supporting. It doesn't feel like they're here to enjoy a game, it just feels more like they're here to prove a "point".