Pan Africanists vs Christians DEBATE: Is Christianity A White Man's Religion? pt1

[@HardlyInitiated]

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[@bigalescurlark8294]

Number one he keeps saying Asia well Western Asia was Africa wasn't it

[@bigalescurlark8294]

Also I'm a Christian because of my mother and she's a Christian because of her mother and so on no one really studies the Bible like that they just go on what was told to them

[@myagray4093]

@@bigalescurlark8294 This is not fact. You can read the Bible! Everyone won't because most are too lazy. But if you are going to let another man tell you about God instead of seeking the source and conducting the research then you are choosing to be a fool.

[@KingDavid1979]

@@HardlyInitiated "to anoint", and its derivatives are rendered in Greek by the verb khrio, the nouns khrisis and khrisma, "anointing" by the Greek substantivized adjective ὁ χριστός / ho khristós, "the anointed one, the one who has received the holy anointing" or by the Greek substantivized participle ho kekhrismenos ("the one who has been anointed) only Greek? Roman paganism christianism is pagan origin with the Virgin myth, we jew only say Hacohen Hagadol , anointed hight priest, Ezekiël 37-28 , no need jesus corpus delirium to build the temple . Christianism not belong to the covenant.

[@mstiffany]

How can I reach the individuals on this live: Jarrod and Melek specifically?

[@oashy]

It's crazy how when Christian defend our faith we "too spiritual" and don't have facts but when we do present facts now it's "too academic" ... like hello???

[@G87-w3i]

Y"all dont have facts at all smh so you believe in an talking snake😂 and who is Lilith by the way ?? Smh

[@IamBillionaireBen]

The best comment this far 💪🏾💪🏾

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@@G87-w3ibut you believe a man can be a woman 😂. Stop taking the Bible literally to accuse Christians of anything you want

[@weziefaith5484]

​@@G87-w3i Lilith isn't in the bible but in the book of Enoch. Two different things

[@buedhabass]

@@G87-w3i name one fact the opposing side gave with cited evidence to back it up?

[@kayj2538]

Pastor Jerome said, “I know my Book.” That’s all I needed to hear. Lemme go read right now!!!

[@th3sevenera76]

He knows doctrine that they taught him in a seminary, he gets his understanding from Church fathers like Augustine, Athanasius, and Thomas Aquinas focused on defining doctrine, such as the Trinity, original sin, and predestination. incorporated Greco-Roman philosophy.

[@maxpowers111]

​@@th3sevenera76 What do you mean?

[@atyner5662]

@@th3sevenera76thank you

[@ds98368]

Jerome and Damon were the definition of STANDING on business.

[@kingdomofzionministries]

❤❤❤

[@kelcey7579]

It's a book, its not the true creator, the true Creator language is written in nature, that's the real book, the sun is your savior, son is symbolic of the sun, study the nature of everthing in creation then you will understand the unspoken language is the spoken language one observed, not worship a book written by man, that's y theirs many contractadictions in there, study nature and be the voice that's hit, and preserve the earth for future generations, ain't nobody die for your sins, that's the spell and trickbag, god say seek knowledge, not belief, do that make sense, knowledge root word is knowing, study belief, you see the lie is there for a reason, it means your not for sure, it's a possibility of doubt, break it down, best way to trap a spirit is lay the truth out and blend it with the lie, the matrix is confusing the colonizer that, it's like laying cheese on a mouse trap

[@ds98368]

@@kelcey7579you didn’t watch the full video huh?

[@rayray5561]

They never answered any questions

[@curtisbracy6406]

As a scholar myself , I can honestly say I’m proud of Jerome and Damon!

[@TytusJones]

Damon and Jerome really shined in this debate. Praying that Melek and Jarrod consider the arguments made in defense of Christianity and come to Christ. ❤️🙏🏾❤️

[@WarriorWomann]

Right on sis ❤

[@gamerelated510]

Damon & Jerome clearly lost that debate

[@TytusJones]

@@gamerelated510they had the receipts, melek and Jarrod had nothing but mythicism and pseudo history. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@majose7787]

​@@gamerelated510then we weren't watching the same debate 😂😂 Jarrod and Melek got BATTERED!

[@majose7787]

​@@gamerelated510 we must have been watching different debates if you think the Christians lost 😂😂😂

[@jchrystv]

What Melek doesn’t understand is that when you accept Christ you are in fact liberated. 1 Corinthians 2:14

[@lovefelix1566]

Galatians 5:1 my favorite verse ❤

[@C.5OH]

There’s a difference between Jesus and Christ

[@Crownedingloryhair_]

@@C.5OHyup, and Jesus is the Christ.

[@SaRaSin712]

@@jchrystv You know how ridiculous that sounds after the woman came on there and told you what her people had to go through because of Christianity just to get a education? Yall are really brainwashed.

[@freddierhymes3005]

INDEED!!

[@JustTeachMinistries]

Proud Christian here represented by two giants Damon & Jerome. They were studied, factual, and tactical debaters. What a treat, I’m so inspired.

[@andreford4622]

@@JustTeachMinistries Factual???? Nothing these two brainwashed negros said anything factual. Nothing in the Bible can be proven, and you can't call facts when the only reference you have is the book that your defending. There no grave site for anybody in the Bible, and neither Mathew, Mark, Luke or John ever witnessed, knew, or even lived in the same time period as Jesus but Christians accept this as facts....lol..... Look up the first christ, Serapis then get back with me.

[@LRoss-ct5ln]

😂😂😂😂 you a clown it was a bunch of dick licking & none of them are correct their saying the same thing people said in the 80's which have been debunked so these dudes pushing lies of what they been coerced to learn!

[@yawos9024]

I am a Christian too, but I think they are indoctrinated by western European lies. Tell us: Was Enoch a Jew? Was he a white man? In the book of Amos (9:7), it is written: 'Aren't you like the Kushites O' Israel'? Biblical traditions were more African than Europeans. It is only after the Romans coopted Christianity that the adulteration happened. It is even indicated in the Bible.

[@towardtheosis]

This debate perfectly highlights the problem at the root of the conscious community. It has as its central narrative a number of assumptions that, from an emotional standpoint, are quite moving, but they all fall apart under scrutiny. Jarrod and Melek are clearly passionate in their beliefs, but they weren’t able to provide a single shred of evidence to support them.

[@tisha1322]

EXACTLY!!!

[@jayfields948]

Facts!

[@Lastonesleftofficial]

@@towardtheosis comes down to victimization!

[@jamelgregg946]

I think Jarrod and Melek wrongly assumed that some of you Christians actually studied history.

[@nope...........]

​@@jamelgregg946- Has studying history liberated black people? If so, when and where?

[@Navifulfilled]

We need more conversations like this! So proud of my Pastor (Pastor Jerome) and his knowledge. This was a phenomenal conversation.

[@theway9156]

Definitely. He broke so much down so clealy.

[@kingdomprinciplesmarriage101]

I could NEVER get debated up out my faith in Christ because my faith in Christ is NOT up for debate with ANYBODY!!!

[@nunya54]

It should be if it's based on the Bible.

[@fruitsarelife7073]

It should be, you should be able to defend your belief and even spread it.

[@holpcs2]

Okay, beware, brother. When you spouse pride like this, you open yourself up to Satan to get a foothold and humble you quickly.

[@Sicoy28]

@@kingdomprinciplesmarriage101 great for you sir . Geezus saves All

[@Tavymckenzie]

These guys are super creative with coming up with the best hardest hitting topics. I’m literally getting my life. These are things that you can’t just talk about with other Christians or your pastor. I love it here!!

[@IamBillionaireBen]

Facts

[@tashakidd5204]

Our ancestors doesn’t have more power than who created us

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Louder please

[@georgettacarvin7593]

Yes!

[@TrevWILL79]

Say THAT!!!

[@tinabrown9958]

Exactly 💯

[@ajtruth9585]

@@tashakidd5204 exactly. We shouldn’t be communicating with the dead or relying on them for anything!

[@daisyachiro6779]

Christianity means a follower of Christ it does not mention race, gender, etc. why are we complicating this?

[@nunya54]

Because it's a man-made religion and clearly not Jesus' religion when anyone studies it.

[@kevinwilliams8033]

@@daisyachiro6779 wouldn’t that be the definition of a Disciple?

[@CacaoFlower]

So simple even a child can understand as the lord says

[@tyestable]

Christianity is nowhere in the Bible. Yahusha (Jesus) NEVER told us we were Christian or to follow religion but to be followers of the WAY. Christ only! Not traditions of man which we see all in Christianity.

[@edifiedprayzr]

​@tyestable Christianity is believers that follow THE WAY of Christ as in Jesus CHRIST. Transliteration of Yeshua from Hebrew to Greek as "Iesous" pronounced in English as Jesus. To Jesus says of Himself...I AM the WAY the Truth and the Light. No man comes to the FATHER accept through ME.

[@lovefelix1566]

Jerome Gay Jr., closing argument was 🔥🔥🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏾❤️. Beautifully done sir!!!

[@vanessawilson3298]

Damon and Jerome were awesome . I learned so much . I received so much truth , Christianity and cultural history. Also this video clarified my thoughts. White men took the Bible and used it to dominate black and brown people . They misused the Bible. But that’s not religion that’s power. Christianity is our relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ . Those are two different things . This was sooooo good . Thanks for this

[@cptheartist]

This debate was over from the jump. The Christians won

[@kingdomofzionministries]

❤

[@mresoteric]

They need to get some true scholars in afrocentric cosmology. There are some really good ones out there.

[@toysrus701]

How? When the Christians doesn't know that the Bible has been remixed the most of all books on the planet??

[@Eat_like_Irving]

@toysrus701 The Original Translation is the KJV from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and the Greek. Don't worry about those others.

[@danamurphy5241]

@@mresoteric trust me they'll loose as well

[@theway9156]

Great debate. Christianity is indeed NOT the white mans religion. But is the religion of those who follow the truth, the way and the life aka Jesus Christ!!

[@jjj0026]

Yet every bible commentary except 1 is by white people. So of course people going to think it’s a WM religion.

[@tajgibson8776]

Christianity is a white mans religion based on the books I have read.

[@nunya54]

No, it is not the religion Jesus practiced.

[@theway9156]

@@nunya54 Christian means follower of Christ. Christ is the one we follow. Why would he call himself christian, he didnt follow himself lol. We follow Him. Christ said, "take up your cross and FOLLOW ME" (Matthew 16:24). And Jesus followers & disciples said we should be proud to wear the name christian and not be ashamed of it. Peter says this about being christian... 1 peter 4:16 "however if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed but praise God that you bear that name" ✌🏾

[@CacaoFlower]

@@nunya54do u even know what it means to be Christian? obviously not talkin about what religion Jesus practiced, the gospel is Jesus died for the sins of the world and all u have to do is have faith and believe ur sins have been paid for by the blood of Jesus. We are human we most likely will sin again but just repent/ask for forgiveness and do the lord work by spreading the gospel and helping the less fortunate

[@TheAmhyacinth]

I need Jerome Gay’s entire book list.

[@ajtruth9585]

I used to listen to the hoteps until I realized none of them can show you the fruits. They’ll have you living in the past and living through what our ancestors did. Christianity shows you that there’s an intentional almighty God! He gives us a future!

[@jamelgregg946]

Here is a hotep responding. Black people are at the bottom of every statistical category conceivable. So since you Christians believe that you can show us hoteps something. When is the showing how Christianity is the answer for our people part going to happen because we are catching hell.

[@CandyCoated96]

Amen, so well said!

[@skunkpackstudio2406]

So no one wants to talk about the missionary crusade inquisition? Like we going to totally disregard that actually happened in human history huh?

[@cebrinachandler1708]

🎯

[@ajtruth9585]

@@skunkpackstudio2406 I hear you, but what does that have to do with Jesus Christ? Man has always been sinful

[@FredHolmes-d8q]

i like that Brother Jerome, "it's not that Christianity not working we are not working it."

[@Blackie6063]

This is a prime example of scholarship versus two brothers talking out the side of their necks

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Yes when conspiracists meet real scholars

[@jamelgregg946]

Real history is a conspiracy now?😂😂😂😂

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@@jamelgregg946 yeah every single conspiracies your uncles threw at the Christians were met with force. You can’t come to a debate with claims like Christ was invented at Nicea or that Christianity came from Rome🤣 this is beyond ludicrous! It’s okay for your gurus to lose a debate… life happens so keep moving

[@caleb.chosen]

@@jamelgregg946 Christ is real history… parts of the Bible was literally being written before and in the first century😭. Christ existed at the beginning of time…

[@BornJusticeSupreme]

@@ImTiredOfThisChurch christianity did come from Rome tho. It definitely aint come from Africa

[@user-dh3qc3pq3g]

Pastor Damon’s response around the 153:00 mark was SPIT ON! It led to the notion of the problem not being Christianity, but “Christians” not submitting to the lordship of Christ and actually following God.

[@WarriorWomann]

Wow Jerome and Damon, so proud! Well done fellas. You were clear, succinct and brought it out !! 💪🏼

[@WintersLighthouse]

Mann…I have to say @HardlyInitiated YESS!!! I am not even half way through and I am so proud to be a Christian. This was a great debate! I learned Marcus Garvey was a Christian! This is different because many Pan Americans do not know or choose not to acknowledge in their history. God’s word- the gospel/the good news cannot and won’t ever be surpassed!!!! Amen! I pray seeds were either planted or watered. Amen!

[@jamelgregg946]

If you didn't know that Marcus Garvey was a Christian then I have to question how well you know your history. As a pan African it is probable I know more of the origins of the Bible than you as I study history.

[@SUMofALLfears33]

Who cares ​@@jamelgregg946

[@WintersLighthouse]

@@jamelgregg946 I am not ashamed to say there is a lot I don’t know. As I grow as a Christian, I depend on the Holy Spirit to help me gain knowledge; discerning truth from falsehoods. Remember the original sin was desiring knowledge outside of God to become like gods. John 14:26 KJV - 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[@corretta522]

They can speak all bombastic words as much as they like, but they can't take away every Christian's encounter with the Holy Spirit!

[@Romans99]

The vast majority of black Christians are doing fantastic! …marriage…kids in wedlock…educated…a part of building communities and society.

[@Happey67]

Say it again. The truth and accepting God's principles.

[@jamelgregg946]

What institutions do you own? Name them: Hospitals, financial institutions, building infrastructures, universities and don't say HBCU's because they are not privately owned. Is there a proliferation of small businesses amongst you Christians because that is what is necessary for a real community.

[@Romans99]

@ The accusation was Christianity does not liberate black people…throughout the video I’m still waiting to hear what liberate means from “the African perspective” and I can say as a history teacher in the inner city communities people make choices that hinder and destroy them. They make say “I’m a Christian” but their lifestyle does not match the Christian lifestyle. So black people are not liberated unless they own banks and hospitals etc…what does liberation look like? My sons grandfather in law owns his hospital in Chicago, and I personally have a friend has own oil company in Nigeria and there are lots of other examples I could use. I gather you are in the USA…where have you travelled to in Africa?

[@toysrus701]

Only 1 out of 4 black women will get married 70 to 80% of black kids are born to single mothers. 7 out of 10 divorces are filed by black women Black women on the average make 30k We are at the bottom when it comes to getting bank loans to start of business. Yea. Black folks are doing great lol

[@Sicoy28]

@@Romans99 blacks are the least least married with the most kids . They don’t follow the bi-ble

[@anakingeek9538]

I'm from Central Africa and this debate is so actual and so acurate!!! I love how brothers Jerome and Damon brought evidences and facts, while the other brothers just came out with claims rooted on rubbish. I would like to know where I can have Jerome Gay's book

[@ConcealedLight-d4w]

Jerome's book should be on Amazon.

[@jamelgregg946]

As an African from Central African, I have two questions for you. Does your country control its own resources? Does your country use foreign currency? If you say yes to either one then you are under Western Christian colonialism.

[@anakingeek9538]

@jamelgregg946 The answer at your question if it's one, would still not mean what your trying to say. Sorry for your ignorance my brother. That's way too easy. Maybe you people never listen when they tell and explain you that there is no "colonialism christianity". Plus, Christ is not christianism. Christ never send those people to conquer us back in the days. I'm sure God used their corrupted minds to reach us but He never sent them. You african never blaim your elders and ancestors who sold our brothers (as slaves) and our lands. No. You want to blame Christ while those false God in whom you used to put your faith and trust in could not protect you or even prevent you from being enslaved or colonised. I pray that you finally understand the truth and the reality of who Jesus really is. You really need to stop to look for guilties elsewhere

[@jamescarter5041]

What is the correlation between being from Central Africa and the accuracy of this debate?

[@anakingeek9538]

@jamescarter5041 Maybe you didn't read the topic well my brother. Then read it again. In case you didn't notice, Central Africa is actually in Africa. And yes we african are deeply concerned with this debate. Does your question not even sound stupid, since you're the only one to ask it ? 😂

[@kentamporter7174]

It seems like Melek is presenting Animism as a worldview. He mentioned ancestral worship. He still doesn't present an argument for his worldview. But, Pastor Damon presents a strong case for why we should have confidence in the Christian worldview.

[@angelajohnsonmusic3731]

This was a great debate! Please do a part 2. There is so much more to unpack! We learned something today! Mr. Gay and Mr. Richardson. Y'all better teach! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🔥🔥🔥

[@iamservant8016]

I am in tears right now. All glory be to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@ThePoshMel]

Research who Makeda was and what role she (as a black woman) played in bringing the worshipping of the God of Israel to Africa before it was colonized. She was pivotal in forming the spiritual framework that set the tone for Christianity, way before the prophesy of Jesus Christ being born was fulfilled. The foundation for Christianity and Christianity itself has been in Africa way before the white man got there. Let’s focus on ACTUAL history.

[@crespeakslife]

Oooooh! Let me research. That's good stuff!

[@rydengood]

still not African & All most all African Americans is west African nobody writing a bible knew You or nothing about You in West Africa You ain't on one page in the bible like all black people I know grand mother had a white man hanging on the wall as jesus not a made up black jesus

[@stablsed309]

@@ThePoshMel I'll take your word for it - since you're insinuating that Africans were connected to the true God pre colonization, why didn't God stand up on our behalf against the colonisers? Did he fall asleep?

[@livelaughlovin_lifeafter50]

@@stablsed309 We have a tendency to generalize when talking about Africa as if certain things apply to every single person on the continent or even a particular region of Africa. You can have a group of Africans who were christians in a particular region but maybe there were a certain number who didn't convert to christianity who lived in that region as well. Just because christianity was in a certain region doesn't mean that every single person in that region accepted it and embraced it. It's just like in some families, the mother goes to church and takes her children but the father stays home and is not a christian. And there have been mothers in certain households who have even allowed their children at a certain age to decide whether they wanted to go to church or not so they may have stayed home with the father and didn't become a Christian. Maybe some of the people that were taken into slavery weren't christians and didn't embrace christianity although they lived in that region.

[@stablsed309]

​@@livelaughlovin_lifeafter50Thanks for the response - are you suggesting Africans that were Christian pre colonization were spared from slavery by God, while those who weren't were given up to it? If this is the case, why has God allowed even so-called Christian African nations to fall into pillage and disarray post slavery? The question remains - why isn't the Christian God showing up for Africans in real time, in a material way?

[@fnuros429]

Great debate! I am 100% with Pastor Jerome and Damon.

[@ThePinkPrayerClosetPodcast]

If Meleks argument is that we are still not liberated, then he also needs to ask how has his world view failed to contribute to our liberation. Him using that liberation argument against the effectiveness of Christianity while arguing that we are still not liberated, and while suggesting that his world view is better than Christianity is at best.... duplicitous.

[@crespeakslife]

Well said!

[@jamelgregg946]

Critical thinking is required. He was arguing that the Abrahamic faiths were not organic to Africa. We didn't create these religions because they are not ours. Christianity was the invention of the Greeks to control the population within their empire from Alexandria, Egypt. After the Greeks lost power, The Romans took over using Christianity to colonize people in their empire. Then the Catholic Church used it to enslave Africans. Black folks are at the bottom of every category imaginable according to statistics. How has Christianity benefitted black folks in the long haul because it for damn sure benefitted white folks.

[@enterblackvoid]

But Christianity has had a 2000 year head start, and it has not unified our people or caused racism or suffering to end. Pan africanism is fairly new in the context of world history. It's not fair to compare the two.

[@IAMJUDAH1]

@@enterblackvoid lol where in the holy bible did GOD ever called his people christians?? that was a joke n others mocked us n thy called us christians after christ died....

[@joellekabamba9289]

Name which nation you’re referring to? Melek keeps talking Africa… there are 55 nations which one are you referring to?? As an African from DRC none of us like being generalised. Be specific bro. You are misrepresenting this continent

[@bornagainchristian3742]

As a Cameroonian I can confirm what my sister Angela said. If the Africans don't joke with it why would you?

[@garynnbonds-jz1sq]

Thank you!!! They be looking at us like yall crazy😂😂😂

[@rasone9172]

Yes ; Afrikan Traditional Spirituality is powerful & sacred. Of course it’s not to be “joked with”…

[@bornagainchristian3742]

@@garynnbonds-jz1sq people are picking the fun part but the scary hard bits of being African are left out of the communication. Why don't they watch a few Nollywood movies about these rituals?

[@Tony-t5d]

As a black man I've always said that some black people give white people way to much credit.

[@janepatton8100]

Indeed... Way too much credit.

[@cynthiahoyi3925]

Omdzz , This gotta be the best panel yet!! As an aspiring christian apologist myself, I was very much aware of these two wonderful men- Jerome and Damon. I’ve watched many of Damon’s stuff on youtube and I have bought Jerome’s book “The White washing of Christianity”. Thank you so much for bringing them on. NOW LET ME WATCH ❤

[@SoftWifeLife]

Its truly refreshing to see such intelligent Blk men. All of them have done their studies and its to be respected regardless what side of the argument you stand on.

[@ohmyshebeautiful]

At 1:55 Jerome made it plain and simple! Thank you very much

[@Context1981]

Is that Billy Carson in disguise 😂

[@TayKnows77611]

😂😂

[@Sandra-ly1ss]

Yeeeeeessss, thanks for this show!! Damon and Jerome went in, love the solid information given without emotionalism while standing 10 toes down.🎉❤🎉

[@providetriggersforevolutio3748]

Without emotionalism?

[@d.miller6062]

Damon, we need that list of people! Great job!!!

[@PoeticTherapy95]

That list went crazy 😅. Need that on a track and a T shirt!

[@CreatedbyJones]

Our education is steeped in western colonialism. That fact that we’re learning in English proves that point.

[@VisionOnDuty]

Damon and Jerome, thank you!

[@nathanielmouzone1394]

I am both Christian and Pan Africanist and absolutely loved this; I felt very enriched by my two Christian brothers. In all actuality unapologetic Christianity and unapologetic black nationalism are very much compatible, and I am not surprised to here the very deep African roots that are all over the Bible. From Yeshua's ancestry, to the African roots of the writer of the gospel of Mark. Really like the way Pastor Damon mentioned the radical black revolutionaries who were unapologetically Christian, Maleek lost me when he said they were not liberators and really showed himself up. Also, Pastor Jerome referencing pre-colonial West African Christian communities was very enriching, a lot of the time I am the only Christian in the room when I am reasoning with my Pan African brothers and this has definitely given me language, perspective and information that will help me defend my position but of course in the spirit of love, community and black liberation. One love.

[@joellekabamba9289]

Great debate, however, strange listening to Melek without any strong basis. As an African of which I am from DRC. Important to not just claim to be African without sharing where in particular in Africa he is from and at least share what nation and its practices he is from. Africa is a continent of 55 nations, with multiple of cultures. He is shared nothing substantial, nor his world view. Thanks for Damon and Jerome for sharing not only their convictions but backed it with facts and historical contents. As a fallen world you cannot assume there has not been any transformation in hearts. Let’s pray for those who are lost in their philosophies and not recognise they are in the dark.

[@toysrus701]

Dr. Ben and Anthony T Browder

[@rasone9172]

As Yoruba/Asante Afrikan; I realize that Melek Dexter is a son of the soil also. Melek is descendants of enslaved Afrikans in American. You sound silly & ignorant trying to diminish his Afrikan Ancestry because, he didn’t specify where in Afrika he is from. You also are dishonest or not intellectually equipped if you say Dexter lack substance in his submission. It ironic & evident that in fact you are one with the “strong basis.”

[@rashuadjohnson7719]

@@joellekabamba9289 This is a debate not a sin. They're not lost in philosophies or their philosophies.

[@MizzleboyOnline]

Great debate on both sides. These brothers went at it with class. Very useful segment.

[@daughteroftheking5875]

Omgsh you got Damon & Jerome on here!!!!! Can’t wait to watch 😆😆😆😆

[@WarriorWomann]

They smashed it 💪🏼 ❤

[@ATHF346]

It is sad to see how folks who claim to want to uplift our black brothers and sisters are so dedicated to minimizing and diminishing the contributions and significance of so many black Christians in a vain effort to be right My hope is they come to a knowledge of the truth and be delivered from this foolishness

[@ElizabethSHowze]

Melek gets demolished and then moves the goal post every time😂😂😂😂

[@moet131]

I agree! He was just talking because he got lips as my grandmother used to say

[@nathanjohnson90]

The Christian brothers have truly inspired me, this is a phenomenal representation of the church

[@SnippetsandNuggets]

These Christian men !!!🔥🔥🔥 Outstanding 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@bisolo8]

Melek Dexter did an excellent job!! Great debate.

[@BudaMac]

Great critiques which are valid but no real solutions.

[@bisolo8]

@@BudaMac He did give a real solution. “Knowledge of self.”

[@charmedlife6933]

Spectacular display of Christian conviction. Revealing synopsis of other belief systems and the substance there of. All knees will bow before the true King and He won’t care the color or creed of His children.

[@ThadisonSolutions]

This is a great conversation. Melek was hard to follow but I hope this truly educates the masses. Christianity is not a white mans religion

[@skunkpackstudio2406]

Of course it’s hard to follow when most of y’all have your mind made up on who y’all want to win lol

[@rasone9172]

Melek was clear & articulated. Your bias inhibited you from understanding him.

[@letholamokhesi1253]

Christianity is a White man's religion, it's just the truth

[@Tramaine108]

I didn’t know that I am currently in bondage - Man it’s 2024 and you still saying the “white” man is keeping you down while being a college professor… what😮

[@glorifiedosikang7866]

All the ancestors you have reaching out to, how many has come to librate you? 😂😂😂

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

😂😂😂don’t start… please don’t I’m begging you

[@jamelgregg946]

Well, let me ask you Christian? What is your definition of liberation? Cause where I'm sitting black folks doing pretty bad.

[@cecitheot]

I’m waiting too 😂

[@jizzygamerboy]

So the Jesus we are praying to in Africa has he liberated

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@jizzygamerboy He Did way better young lady. He Libarated the whole world by his death and resurrection his followers are counted by billions after his ascension. What about your gods??? Akhenaton, or the god of the songele people what have they been up to?

[@marianlindsay7787]

Good show. Bring Wes Huff to take on these non believers. Ancestors worshipers!!! Who did the first set of people worship?

[@jamelgregg946]

They worshiped the Creator dear. But if you studied some actual history you'd know that.

[@jordanrice498]

I’m a Christian and happy to see these types of convos. Great job Damon and Jerome 🙏🏿 for those who don’t believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior

[@ralphnoel6642]

22:35 the Bible never even named the names of days of the week or month. We just use that for society not for our faith

[@toysrus701]

African ppl didn't use days either. The sky was a clock fir Africans. Sunday was a day of worshipping the sun and Monday was a day to worship the Moon Please wake up and understand

[@ericthomas9192]

I love this pod cast ! Seriously. The live responses from the chats it’s so many minds with different pov’s

[@nikamoff5835]

Christian 🖐🏽One thing that really stood out to me is (the reminder) of how Important it is for us to read the Bible. However I was impressed by the research on history that the men did. Some of it was a bit over my head but impressed. I’m proud that these men are researching & discussing hopefully for (proper) TRUTH & understanding . Gods truth 🙏🏽♥️.

[@tigertigerhood1857]

❤❤❤

[@TutemRaKheperu]

Both Jarrod and Melek are of sound mind. They win the debate… just because many of our hero’s were Christians DOES NOT MEAN they would have stayed Christian if they had been presented with the info that is available today… even Martin came to understand that he had lead his people into a burning house. And in 1949 Martin wrote a thesis paper about how ancient Kemet influenced Christianity…….. it’s sad to see our people still stuck in the book their enslavers handed them… ask most men about the 25,000 year cycle and they know nothing about it. Ask them about astrotheology and they know nothing.. asking them why Saturday is named after Saturn and to them it’s of no real importance…

[@zinawoolridge8597]

Melek is making the same argument as the people in Jesus' time. Looking for Jesus to make political impact when He clearly stated that His Kingdom is not of this world. He came to bring the Kingdom of God to earth, not to establish a new world system. John 18:35-37

[@healsis]

This is the comment I was hoping would be said!

[@jacciglenn7675]

Melek is correct!!! Please be respectful

[@tashakidd5204]

Yesssss, the issue is us not God🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@ajtruth9585]

Ryan and Tysean doing Gods work fr! Yall podcast is needed for our people

[@ayannaelese]

Jerome and his beautiful wife have been TEN TOES DOWN for Jesus for decades. I met them in college as boyfriend and girlfriend and they were already in ministry! May God continue to use their ministry and embolden them to Defend the faith with FACTSand not feelings🙏🏾 great job!

[@kingdomofzionministries]

I believe Melek and Jerrod will be serve Christ once it’s all said and done! Great job

[@skunkpackstudio2406]

Nah they wouldn’t disrespect their ancestors worshipping a demon religion

[@georgettacarvin7593]

I'm watching this a second time after watching the live, and Melek never came back with dates and documented the history of anything again. Everything is some hypothesized ideas/theories.

[@omikewhite8978]

Malek moved the goal post so many times.

[@Qedoshim]

This debate was declared lost, in my estimation, by the Pan-Africanist exactly at the 46:04 minute mark, lol! As soon as Damon brought in Ethiopia being the first Christian nation THEN cited that Marcus Garvey was a born-again Christian, it was over.

[@Robertsmith001]

@@Qedoshim What about Melek asking how much longer to wait for Jesus to save Africans despite 1000 years of slavery?

[@TheeFireOfGod]

@Robertsmith001How did African ancestors do more than Jesus? He believed their spirituality is better and worshipping ancestors helps them why haven’t they came back if they’re superior to Jesus/Jesus isn’t real since that’s the question !

[@C.5OH]

@@TheeFireOfGodprove that they “worship” ancestors..

[@Qedoshim]

@@TheeFireOfGod it’s called ancestor worship. Pray that they come to Jesus soon and repent.

[@majose7787]

​@Robertsmith001welp....the African gods didn't deliver us! Regardless of the length of time it took, it was JESUS who did the delivering from slavery - not Ogun, Mami Water or Oshun! 😂

[@jayfields948]

Damon and Jerome showed they were well prepared and studied from the jump! I love the work they did on Eric masons books… Urban Apologetics

[@Tavymckenzie]

I love when the show the panel, you can already tell who are the Christian Apologists and who are the Pan Africanists 😩😩

[@riapurple523]

That's literally what I said to myself before they even started talking lol

[@aliciarucker29]

😂

[@Sayless_Beloved]

Moderators have to do better at being impartial at all times although they may share similar views and sentiments with some of their guests. At the beginning, Melek and Jarrod sat there and listened without interruptions for quite some time, and every time it was their time to speak, they were almost immediately interrupted. I mean did Jarrod speak at all?! 🤦🏾‍♂️ 😂 Sincerely, a fellow Believer.

[@kiykiyaaa]

I totally agree!!!

[@toysrus701]

They gave the Christians longer time to speak lol

[@Speakeroftruth58]

Proud of Damon and Jerome! They represented Christ well!!!

[@nicolykid]

These debates need to be moderated better by the hosts. They have been improving, but they need to reign it in when one party goes on a tangent for too long. For example, if the hosts would chime in and just say "30 seconds left," as a reminder every now and then to remind the speakers that they have to share the air time between all speakers.

[@hubertebanks534]

I as a christian black man herd nothing that challenges my faith. Those dudes and z needs jesus

[@_signedby_b4266]

Omgsh this is so good. I wish Allen Parr was a part of this discussion!

[@TheLightRoom22]

Yesss

[@tamnikoanderson5113]

Say that Pastorr Jerome!!!! When we submit to the word THEEEN!!!!We will be Free indeed¡!!!!!Truth will make you free! Try the true living God and receive true peace and understanding! Most won't experience this whether white or black because we still trying to prove superiority and continue to be distracted by the enemy! Let's not only read the word but apply it to our lives.

[@hopecrishom5836]

Amen

[@AliNorth777]

Brother Melek reminds me of my dad when he had been drinking all night and then tried to have a conversation. It just doesn't make sense.

[@Alfaunoh]

Melek really hit the nail on the head when he said Rehearsed. 1:00:03 The debate over all felt rushed and disingenuous. Damon and Jerome where arguing what they had rehearsed, but not discussing the perspectives. Why didn’t you all let melek and Jarrod expound more on their points? They actually had extremely strong points that needed more time to explain rather than to argue.

[@deepcover8184]

They never responded to the question.... why aren't black ppl liberated after following Christianity for all this time?

[@SoldierLifeAJ]

That guy Malek had no real sustainable information just all over the place with no historical facts, just claims...

[@Alfaunoh]

They never even responded to the one about proof that Jesus even existed. The moderators allow them to skate by hard questions, then stop and lean in when they ask hard question of their own. They only make them answer questions that there are easy/hasty answers to. @hardlyinitiated Sloppy.

[@jonathanmonroe1833]

@@deepcover8184 Liberated from what exactly in the 21st century?

[@jonathanmonroe1833]

You're conflating preparation of a debate which focuses on research and sound argumentation, with rehearsing, which is going over a script for a play or performance. There is a difference. And what exactly are black people being liberated from in 2024 in the 21st Century? Because that seems more like an excuse. And how is appealing to African traditions the solution for black Americans, not only to unify but to thrive?

[@gregorywalker5449]

Damon and Jerome nailed it..

[@toysrus701]

Melek question needs to be answered What African nation or black ppl who is worshipping a white GOD is free?? None

[@danamurphy5241]

@@toysrus701 well you're correct on that because they dont worship a white god, they worship Jesus who was a middle eastern Jew.

[@rashuadjohnson7719]

Yep.1:00:44 it started there

[@ApologeticsReact]

Are you asserting that Christianity teaches that God is white?

[@toysrus701]

@ApologeticsReact Yes. All day everyday.

[@technicaltreasures1508]

@@toysrus701 a whole lie. Open the bible. Jesus skin tone is described in the book of Revelations...why would " the white man" put that in the Bible if they created it?

[@goldengirl7625]

Yall shoulda brought Preston Perry on here again. He did a great video on this very topic with another man of God years ago

[@jrenee34678]

This was sooo good I appreciate Bro. Damon and Bro Jerome. You all spoke a word.

[@G.E.E.A.T317]

Right on melek … right on

[@IamBillionaireBen]

This conversation needs a number 2 with Dr. Umar Johnson as well! I would really want to see this conversation and add Marcus Rodgers to this along with Anton while keeping Jerome and Damon

[@beefaye18]

Team Dr Umar 💯….he will kill it 👏🏽✊🏽

[@JR01015]

Marcus Rogers or Anton Daniel would not be the right people to have in this particular conversation given it is not their area of expertise. Y’all just be following any influencer on anything instead of investigating their area of expertise.

[@majose7787]

​@@JR01015agreed. He simply doesn't have the knowledge or the sharpness to engage in this type of convo. I think Umar would really have met his match against Damon and Jerome

[@hopecrishom5836]

Oh Pastor Marcus would bring the smoke

[@hopecrishom5836]

@@JR01015Pastor Rogers would be a great candidate He’s more then an influencer

[@dominicwilliams7845]

Yes, more apologetics! The receipts need to be brought! Back up them Claims!!! To God be the Glory🙌🏾🙌🏾!

[@ThePinkPrayerClosetPodcast]

To "Zee" the young lady who said each culture should follow the religion of their own people is aligned with the belief of polytheism. If polytheism is the way then the argument of equality is mute because the concept of equality is derived from the belief that we were all created equal and therefore should be treated equally. If we were NOT all created equally meaning by the same God and given the same value then we need to adjust our expectations to assume that you should consult your religion for a better understanding of your value and what you deserve, AND polytheism would suggest that being of/from/led by different Gods may be the reason for different treatment and different values/privilege/and success. We can only argue/justify/expect equal treatment when we are created equally. So don't expect the same if we are not all of and from the same. This idea of having and serving different Gods abrogates the argument of equality. Consult your God for why you are not liberated and treated equally as those of other Gods if this is your belief.

[@ArmedforBattleToday]

This is the best debate I've ever seen on the subject fire. Facts you guys are representing the Lord well. I think one of the gentlemen has a book if you guys can please mention your book again I would love to order it

[@JackMdunge]

I love this channel, God bless u guys.

[@Christpusher]

This was really good and definitely need a part 2.

[@WarriorWomann]

Adam Coleman coming in with the hot facts!!! so good 🔥

[@TytusJones]

Adam deserves his own full episode!!!

[@richelletvforyou8324]

Adam said "I got time"😅 But it was already TKO for the kingdom win🙌🏽

[@carolynarlee]

Thank you Melek Dexter! ❤️

[@lilspongie44]

I am so thankful for the perspective and words of sis Angela from Cameroon towards the end. I am half Nigerian and AA. So being part of both cultures, I am aware first hand of African spirituality and how it isn’t anything to joke with or even identify with. Yet, many AA, with this desire to “go back to our roots” want to badly to associate with African spirituality when many don’t know the depth of dangerous it is.

[@C.5OH]

What’s dangerous about spiritually?

[@funmilolaogundiya9218]

Evil rituals and sacrifices which can involve killing people, witchcraft, terrible consequences for failing to obey the gods of the altar like loss or death or evil happening to u. I could go on and on

[@a.dlamini]

⁠@@C.5OHthere is no freedom in it my darling, it’s bondage. You will have to sacrifice endlessly without ever resting. Christ gives you salvation FREELY that truly sets you free and redeems your position with our creator. There is nothing better, certainly better than the scraps of the promise of a good life that you will continually have to work for with ancestor worship. I hope that helps, coming from an African who was born and bred in it.

[@klc3416]

​@@C.5OH African Spirituality 👇 Did You Know 👇 *Treatment of Twins* In some African cultures, twins were indeed viewed with suspicion or fear, and in extreme cases, abandoned or killed. *Treatment of Widows* Similarly, the practice of burying a widow alive with her deceased husband, known as "sati," has been documented in certain African cultures, particularly in the past.

[@JerryFallwell-bt3py]

When you worship the "God" of your enemy; You Become Your Enemy"! these authors no nothing about African "spirituality" No.1 There is NO "devil" in Yoruba lifestyle [?] What modern day Americans misquote as religion-culture.

[@wegotitoutthemississippimudd]

Brother Malek was dropping 💎 s

[@danamurphy5241]

@@wegotitoutthemississippimudd 🤣🤣🤣yea ok

[@beadoll8025]

Dropping 💩💩💩

[@NatHenrickClarke]

I think black folk need to stop debating religion, and start building together, we're never going to believe the same, your spirituality is your business, what do we do here on earth.

[@CacaoFlower]

Part of life is ur spirituality, the purpose of the gospel is to be spread among all nations, yes we all have free will and can believe or not believe it’s an individual path for each of us but atleast ur brother and sister can’t say they never heard when the day comes.

[@beefaye18]

🫵💯💯💯✊🏽

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Why should people stop debating things??? Now you can’t just be living like a pig can you?

[@tyrellepogue9160]

no people souls are at stake pan africans are false teachings sending many to the lake of fire

[@tylndaberry2720]

Really appreciate this !! Glory be to God !!