Panasonic GH5 and a half - Best Autofocus Settings v2.6

While you're waiting for the GH6, why not update the GH5 with firmware 2.6... is this a GH5 and a half or a waste of time?
Panasonic firmware page: www.panasonic.com/global/cons...
Music: Filmstro
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#GH5
#Autofocus
#Panasonic

[@kingdumb4]

You have the most soothing voice I've ever heard...

[@sutv6754]

Very Cool and I agree in many ways. I've done lots with log but really I like when I use a nice profile and then tweak that a bit as needed. It's fun and I like the idea of someday being a serious colorist. That being said thanks again for taking the time. Tom

[@AntonFomenko]

Great job and fair conclusion! Thank you for your work and your time! 🤘😎

[@extrashot]

Thanks Anton, very kind!

[@AKCHINAEXPLORER]

Beautiful video sir :) Thanks for your great updates.

[@perseusarkouda]

What a lovely guy. Love your honesty and that's the way these videos should be done. Stay like that please!

[@extrashot]

I'll try... and thank you for the compliments (it might go to my head!)

[@MarcoBiagioli]

loved the way you present! my deepest compliments :) xx

[@extrashot]

Very kind... thank you!

[@christopheraamold9639]

I performed many of these same tests and thought I was going crazy. Good video. Thanks!

[@extrashot]

We're not crazy... it's the little auto-focus monkeys! 🤪

[@Bonobo3D]

Not a waste of time at all. Very helpful conclusion that will keep me from wasting my time looking at any further videos discussing the autofocus of the GH5, until another firmware improvement or the GH6 comes out.

[@extrashot]

Good to hear... and glad to help!

[@Saeedandi]

you didn't waste our time, in fact, you saved us time. plus your voice was soothing and you sir have beautiful blue eyes. xx

[@yobeckyg3910]

Thank you. after extensive researching on this exact subject, this video has finally given me the answer I was looking for. Certainly not a waste of time for me to watch :)

[@extrashot]

Cheers Yo... glad it wasn't a total waste!

[@killll]

you saved me a lot of time researching the internet ♥

[@extrashot]

Happy to be of assistance! 😂

[@infilmsdesign]

I know you! You were the narrator for planet earth, one of the greatest documentary series films ever made! And if you weren’t, you should be. Now that we’ve got that out-of-the-way, great channel. How did I just now find you?

[@extrashot]

Ha!... you're not the first to say that... not sure I'm happy about sounding like him 😂 Thank you for the kind words... very glad your here now!

[@JP11]

Fantastic video. Thank you for taking the time..

[@extrashot]

Cheers John, very kind!

[@DavidBattistella]

Really enjoyed this video. I wasn’t even too interested in this camera I still watched it to learn more about it.

[@extrashot]

Thanks David, very kind of you to say so.

[@iSpike]

You good Sir are BRILLIANT mate and I am your newest subscriber. I love everything about this video. I’m waiting to receive my GH5 (5 week wait time) I’m a newbie to photography and been filmmaking for my KZbin videos using my iPhone, GoPro & Mavic drone and want to lift my game with a good camera. You are an inspiration. BEST Video INTRO (Taadaa 🤣) Cheers from Western Australia 👍🏻

[@extrashot]

Hi iSpike, Wow... you flatter me way too much... but I'm glad you did because I've now discovered your channel. Love the style... and over four hours live!... big respect, not just for keeping it entertaining but spreading the love. I know that's not easy, but do keep going... the personality works. The GH5 is a great camera and I hope it works well for you... but don't forget - the content is more important than the kit !!! I've also subscribed and looking forward to watching more... Take care, from Bournemouth. 👍

[@RasKitchen]

Love the honest! 🙌

[@extrashot]

Can't hide it!

[@RasKitchen]

@@extrashot Was going mental trying to figure out why was still having issues even after update....seem to have found some better settings, but yes every situation is different it seems baha

[@andraeelite4638]

I have never been so appreciative of someone wasting my time, lol. You have a new subscriber.

[@extrashot]

Thank you Andrae, very kind... thanks for the sub too, appreciated!

[@fabiomorich]

love this video. thank you so much!

[@extrashot]

...and thank you for saying so... very kind!

[@YHRS]

Thanks for exploring this subject! I get the occasional "your focus is annoying" comments, and I can't disagree with them. Your example with the light in the background perfectly illustrated my issue. Being a 1-man show, autofocus is just a curse that I have to live with. I'll have to give v2.6 a try and see if it helps things for me. Nice job, glad I found your video!

[@extrashot]

Thanks you.... enjoyed discovering your videos too! Nice job 👍

[@chefboyre9647]

Dude your conclusion made me a subscriber man. Your to the point lol

[@TripleOak]

Mr. B-roll. Love it

[@robmiola1635]

great vid, thanks a lot!

[@extrashot]

...and thank you for the kind comment. It's appreciated!

[@GenieLampStudios]

Very insightful video. Thanks for sharing. I still love my GH5, I record a lot of interviews with it and my clients love the quality. Where did you get that helpful little turn table?

[@extrashot]

Thank you... I also use mine as a 'B' cam on many interviews. Clients love the 10bit when it gets to the edit... and always seem happy. The little turntable was just a cheapie off eBay. I think it's intended for shop displays. Not very smooth... but it works okay!

[@juliancroot]

I've made several videos on the GH series... including its autofocus, and you summed it up perfectly. The AF is simply not repeatable, and whilst I wouldn't say I wasted my time (any time we learn something is time well spent) I think the time spent has not produced any satisfactory conclusion. I still use my GH5 with Olympus Pro lenses and manually focus everything hand held. IMO, if the shooting senario makes manual focusing impossible... get another camera.

[@extrashot]

Hi Julian, just catching up with your videos and subbed. Lots of info, thanks... and I do agree, if you have to use auto-focus, you have to use another camera !!!

[@sgreszcz]

Nice to hear you again (miss the podcast!). I’ve loved using my gh5, but just got an Olympus OMD E-M5 Mark iii to try as it supposedly has great phase detect AF. For the stuff I do I prefer the smaller/lighter body (end up carrying it around more), the crazy good IBIS (almost no need for a gimbal), and the Olympus out of camera colours (I’m not so good with the grading). I’m giving up the better video codecs, 4K/50 FPS, better slow-mo and other pro features. But then again I am only a hobbyist and small letter ‘p’ pro.

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the kind comment Stephen. I really need to try the Olympus E-M5.... I keep hearing good things about it, but they've sort of been off my radar for years? I'm certainly with you for the smaller lighter bodies... especially with something I need to use as a 'B' cam. Full frame makes little difference to me in those situations. Take care and have a good Christmas.

[@Thejohnnyoshow]

You saved me a ton of time as i was going to waste hours to come to this same conclusion :-)

[@extrashot]

You're welcome.... glad it wasn't a total waste !!! 👍

[@EugeneMaynard]

No time wasted Paul! I have never used autofocus on my GH5 but of course curiosity peaks when rumours of better autofocus in new firmware arrives now and again, so when someone does the testing for me and confirms that I need not bother trying to use it, this actually saves me time and lots of frustration. For that, I am extremely thankful!🙏🏾 Ps, your investment in the FX9 as a new A cam has turned out to be the right call now that you will be able to get a small form near matching colour profiled B cam in the A7sIII! 👏🏾😃

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the lovely comment Eugene. While it might sound like a good call.... I must admit, I'm really missing the 10bit on the A7iii I've got to use now!!!

[@DungarooTV]

The GH5 got a version 2.8 firmware update late last year + there are lends updates too. I found it has made it almost good now. Are you able to try?

[@NirmitGire]

Thank you very much for your honesty. You're a good man. Virtual hi5!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... and right back at ya!

[@OldTorontoSeries]

Well done. Thanks.

[@extrashot]

Cheers!

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Every genius has its habbits 😜.... Great work 🙌🤩

[@extrashot]

Too kind!

[@EugeneMaynard]

Thanks Paul, you actually saved me a lot of time. I ruled out any form of autofocus for my particular needs on the GH5 as soon as I did my preliminary test before ever using it properly. A few firmware updates came and I did not even bother checking to see if it had gotten any better. However, since 2.6 arrived, so many KZbinrs have been praising the improvements, so my curiosity was awakened enough that I was considering once again doing the exhaustive tests that you showed in this video. You confirmed with what I saw that the GH5 shall remain and always be the small manual focussing camera that I bought it for. I see no point in autofocus if it is not reasonably reliable, smooth and above all accurate, so until Panasonic have such a system they will have to keep having the best video specific features of all DSLRs to stay competitive. Can I dream global shutter, raw and linear manual focussing is the GH6? 😉🙏🏾

[@extrashot]

Me too.... I was really hoping this update would bring some changes... and the autofocus has improved massively from when the camera originally launched. Seems we're getting to the limits of what you can do with a contrast based system. When you think about it.... a compressed raw should require lower onboard processing than HEVC. We can dream!

[@FJProenza]

Thank you. It is frustrating to watch videos recommending settings and then find out they don't work for you. As long as I am dealing with a static situation, for example, an interview, GH5 autofocus will mostly work. But for landscape videos with movement (e.g. waves) it is terrible. You did not waste my time. You confirmed what I suspected and I appreciate that. Do you recommend replacing the Gh5 with the S1? Is there another camera you would recommend?

[@extrashot]

Thank you Francisco, very glad it wasn't;t a total waste!... Personally, I haven't switched to the S1H, it's probably too much for the 'B' cam use I need. The S1H is a great camera but... I'm holding out for a GH6 !!! I can't see Panasonic giving up on M43 just yet?

[@alantuttphotography]

Highly useful video. Thanks for posting. Did you ever try setting sensitivity low and speed high? I saw the opposite a few times. As I understand it, a low sensitivity should minimize the hunting with small changes in focus, yet a high speed will keep the fast change to something new when it's a definite change.

[@extrashot]

I spent hours trying everything I could... it would have made a very long and boring video if I hadn't cut most of it !!! On my camera it felt like the speed was literally how fast the focus moved... so you could slow the pulsing down to almost nothing with a slow speed. The sensitivity looked like it changed how often (per second?) it checked the focus, set that to locked-on and it wouldn't pulse so often. The end result was you can get rid of the pulsing but then it doesn't track the focus! The biggest problem was you'd find a compromise between the two... think you'd nailed it... and then find it wouldn't repeat. It performed different every time!

[@CrQualityPhotography]

You the real MVP !

[@extrashot]

wow! 😂

[@BassManJack]

Which lens did you use on the intro footage? Looked marvellous!

[@extrashot]

Wow... it was a while ago, I honestly can't remember. I don't think it was a particularly fast one... probably an old Canon one with a macro tube and an adaptor !!!

[@possible1337]

Thank u for this, you dont waste my time =)

[@extrashot]

Cheers Andreas... very kind!

[@StoryDrivenThomas]

Great intro! Love my GH5 and GH5S. This wasnt a waste of time at all. I feel that the latest firmware updates for the GH5 and the S did improve things, more so with my GH5S. But just to make sure I'm not getting the Placebo effect I will try this test with the S. I do agree when I first updated the GH5 I couldnt get the same results everytime. Great vid.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind comment... and I'm glad it wasn't a waste of time! Don't get me wrong, I do think the autofocus has improved with each version of the firmware. With version 2.6 it feels like it's the Face-Detect that's improved the most. When I was testing it performed much the same as 1-Area, which was my previous favourite. I suppose I was just frustrated because it's so difficult to accurately measure something that performs differently each time !!!

[@Christian.Stange]

great video, nice clear explanation with top voice, yeah you did waste my time in a positive way :) thank you!

[@extrashot]

Thanks Christian, it's appreciated!

[@danielkaranja7978]

@@extrashot I was somewhat disappointed with the new AF as well but such is life. There is no single piece of technology that checks off all the right buttons. It will never exist.

[@DungarooTV]

Hey great video - new v2.7 firmware out... try this for best results - AFS, 225-Area autofocus and maximise the area then set, AF/AE Lock - AF-On Far - I found this to be the most continuous autofocus with little to no pulsating.

[@extrashot]

Thank you Kevin... I'll check it out.

[@slm3501]

Nice, it works good.

[@DungarooTV]

@@slm3501 Glad it worked for you - best settings for me.

[@trashpringle]

Hi Paul! Just wondering what the name of the light you are holding over the camera and turning on and off at the beginning of the video? Thanks!

[@extrashot]

Hi Cameron, It's the Falcon Eyes F7 Pockelite I reviewed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2iye5KrmNyGh7M Love it!

[@petepictures]

Agree with tour conclusion

[@flatspot2050]

Thanks for posting this video, this is the conclusion i'm coming to about the G9, AFF autofocus is a little better than AFS but its still annoying and there's even less options on the G9 to set the autofocus sensitivity.

[@extrashot]

It's the unpredictability of the results that gets me... you just can't have this happen in front of a client, so it's still all manual focus on the GH5 for me!

[@iquitsmokingwithtrbo]

thanks for the video! wanted to mention I bricked my GH3 while doing a firmware update, carefully following the instructions to the letter. had a wedding to film the next day, too. that's how you learn :)

[@extrashot]

Oh really?... did you ever find out what went wrong? What a disaster!!! I've only ever heard of problems when people try to change regions, (like US to EU etc., or mistakenly put the wrong / hacked firmware on!

[@MindStormStudio]

@@extrashot I only know the Panasonic service people had to reflash my camera to make it work again. I do think it was just bad luck, I did multiple firmware upgrades since then, on multiple cameras and everything went well.

[@extrashot]

@@MindStormStudio Strange... hope they didn't charge you? Maybe I won't try it the day before a paid job then !!!

[@MindStormStudio]

@@extrashot no charge, but that was probably because I had connections :) I also filmed lasers with my GH4 and sensor got fried, they replaced it for free, although warranty does NOT cover that sort of thing. I learned another lesson the hard way, had no idea lasers are capable of doing that lol

[@extrashot]

@@MindStormStudio lasers are really bad news for camera sensors. I know a few people who've ruined expensive cameras when they get a direct hit... usually at music events! That's a good result from Panasonic.... certainly gives you confidence in the brand. Have a great New Year.

[@saqibkaleem9764]

You make gh5 shortcomings sound so....... Bearable with that soft and deep voice

[@extrashot]

They're just shortcomings... still love the GH5 !!!

[@yoshi-movies]

Thank you very mutch!!!!!

[@extrashot]

Cheers Janosch

[@312SES]

Regards from Stockholm! Enjoyed your video. I rented a GH5 last Summer and mostly used manual focus. I've been using a Canon HF-10 since 2011. I thought it was pretty good - until I saw what a GH5 can do. So, I tried one out for a week. Since I'd never worked with a system camera before, I wasn't sure I could handle it. But, it worked out pretty well. I did try autofocus and yes it is inconsistent. But only a few manual shots didn't turn out well. So, I went with manual and an 8-18mm Leica. I've seen responses across the board about how good or bad 2.6 is. But, the autofocus requires so much attention that one may as well use manual focus. Might just have been beginners luck, but using manual wasn't as difficult as I thought it was going to be. All the best from the hinterland!!

[@extrashot]

Hello from Bournemouth... and thank you for the kind comment. I totally agree, I don't think I've used the auto-focus for any video work with the GH5... it's just not reliable. Getting manual focus right can be very satisfying once you get used to a lens... do it enough and it almost falls into focus without you thinking about it!!! None of this stops me loving the GH5... it's a classic camera for video.

[@312SES]

I hope, baring any more unforeseen circumstances, to be able to at last get one in March or April! All the best!

[@is2sik]

Thank you! And you didn't waste my time :)

[@extrashot]

Appreciated!

[@markvideography2692]

English is not my native language, nonetheless your expression and your explanation is very understandable. Thank you for the video!

[@extrashot]

Your English is great... and thank you for the kind comment. It's appreciated!

[@dvirbenzvi10]

great video man! best auto focus result (using firmware 2.4) if you ask me is using the 1-area method. i will give it a shot and update my firmware but i still prefer using my Nokton lenses every single time.

[@extrashot]

One area is still good... it just feels like face detect has got a bit better... but not by much!

[@carlculpepperimages]

Well, it might have been a waste of time, but I enjoyed it anyway! I think we GH5 users have some kind of camera-related self-abuse issue when it comes to auto focus. I did a lot of tests of v2.6, myself, and I arrived at a similar conclusion for the custom settings: -2 or -3 for speed, +1 for sensitivity. But, like you, I found the results to be somewhat different every time, and therefore not useful for professional situations. Thanks for sharing, even if it was inconclusive... I always enjoy your content.

[@extrashot]

Thank you... very kind. I'm so glad it's not just me that can't get reliable results... I seem to be picking up some anger from those who have found the secret sauce! 😂

[@Ronbc000]

My Panasonic kit commenced with GH1(2008) Satisfactory GH5 AF is possible by setting AE/AF Lock to M (after enabling button settings in menu). Track a moving target by lightly pressing AF/AE lock button or touch button icon on monitor, lower righ corner. As the target advances or retreats from the camera refresh AF/ AE button along the way. The techniqueis is fine with GH5 mounted to Weebill Lab gimbal.

[@extrashot]

Good tip Ron... I'll give that technique a try.... thank you!

[@nauticfilms]

I do that every day.

[@ErikNaso]

I feel your pain. It's disappointing to test gear and never get a repeatable test. Cheers and Merry Christmas.

[@extrashot]

...and to you Erik. Have a great Christmas and hope 2020 is good to you!

[@paulomateus3083]

Great honest and funny video, but at the end did you find the autofocus in the SH1 better! Thanks

[@extrashot]

I'm not so sure now.... but I thought I did. Although the resolution is similar, I believe the full frame sensor may make a difference to the size of the area being sampled... and possibly the effect of a contrast based system ???

[@paulomateus3083]

@@extrashot Maybe, who knows!? Thanks for replying.

[@TimothyDowd]

Do you think the GH5 will drop in price when the GH6 arrives? Is it worth buying a second hand GH5? At the moment I'm using a GoPro Hero6 so any "real" camera will be an upgrade for me... I enjoy your style as well. For our channel we alternate between showing off the island in B Roll and twin Talking Head (reality) so I eventually want to use a 360° camera for trips and a GH5 for the TH wish me luck...

[@extrashot]

It looks like the GH5 has already been dropping in price... certainly in the UK. There are some great deals to be had, some of which include lenses! (I've already seen some for less that £1,000). It's still an amazing camera for video... Might be worth seeing what happens at the beginning of next year? I've no clue about the GH6, or even if there will be one! I do wish you luck and enjoy making the videos! 👍

[@FunPaa]

thanks, loved your amazing presentation, the opening with mobile light was dope... just cutoff GH5 from my list, oh god I loved the colors and 10 bit, but in todays world auto focus is must, 99% people are not on manual, even pro misses with face blur, we has many issue in edit with a7sii with fixed samyang cine lense, where telling actor not to move head front and back was so restrictive in the acting... wish sony a7iii has 10 bit without atomos ;)

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the comment, and I'm totally with you about the Sony's.... maybe there will be a 10bit A7Siii soon?

[@choosechoice3165]

As long as i'm not filming myself I don't see much of an issue filming other people using back button focus. It locks on immediately always. Even in post i rarely see the focus hunting. Maybe an f/0.95 might be noticeable but those lenses are MF anyways. I am looking forward to improved AF just for the sake of owning the perfect camera. Great video! subscribed.

[@extrashot]

Thanks cryptocurrent, good point... I also use the back button a lot and it does work well. It's not always easy though... say on a gimbal or jib?

[@mgelinfilms7344]

Did/does the GH5s also have an autofocus problem? If it did, was that fixed with firmware update 1.4, or 1.6? Also, do you know about YodaYeo' autofocus fix for GH5, Whereas the shutter angle is set to 179? What are your recommendations for all of the autofocus settings in GH5s?

[@extrashot]

You've hit the nail on the head by asking for recommendations for the autofocus settings... it doesn't seem to make much difference because nothing is repeatable! The autofocus isn't a problem for stills... it works well. It's an issue with hunting on video, like it's always got to check the distance. YodaYeo's discovery was interesting and definitely made a difference if you like shooting with the shutter set to angle rather than speed... it's something about sampling rates for the AF system. However, there's no noticeable difference for anyone shooting in speed mode... or if you using the latest GH5 firmware as Panasonic included the fix.

[@mgelinfilms7344]

@@extrashot Thanks. I have (just got) the GH5s. I see a lot of videos online showing how to fix the autofocus on GH5 (like the YodaYeo fix), but they never seem to mention if it also applies to GH5s, or not. Also, they say that the new firmware for GH5 (2.6) has fixed the autofocus problem for GH5... but again... there is no mention if firmware update 1.4 or 1.6 has fixed this for the GH5s, as well...

[@n9nrc810]

great video! Did you get the peaking to work in af mode??? it was listed as an update in 2.6, ive had zero luck

[@extrashot]

Ohh... I didn't realise it wasn't working in AF??? I'll have to check...

[@n9nrc810]

i appreciate your help

[@extrashot]

@@n9nrc810 Hi... I've just checked on my v2.6 and you're right... the peaking works fine on MF and AFS (it turns off while you press the button but comes back as soon as you release) but there's no peaking on AFF or constant AF. The option to turn it on during AFS is now in the peaking settings - maybe it was that they were referring to in the release notes? I'd never noticed that before... I suppose I'd never missed peaking when using autofocus? Still - everyday is a school day !!!

[@n9nrc810]

@@extrashot Thanks for the sanity check!!

[@sutv6754]

That was great thanks. Wanted to ask. I have both Cameras but one is going back. Do you have the same philosophy when it comes to the S1H or is S1H a different enough animal to say no... it's better on the S1H. I've watched many of your video's and I'm a fan of you style.

[@extrashot]

Thanks SUTV... I thought that AF on the S1H seemed better to me... although in theory, it can't be as it uses the same system. I've wondered if the larger sensor changes the contrast detection performance, or physically larger photo sites makes a difference?... maybe it was wishful thinking but I'm convinced it's noticeably better. We need to get both cameras together on a common test.... as long as the results are repeatable !!! Take care.

[@sutv6754]

@@extrashot Thanks for getting back to me. After the news of the Canon EOS R5 was announced I made a call to turn in my S1H and consider the R5 this summer. So I'm with the GH5 now and getting to know it. Did you know there is very little info about GH5 or I should say the "new" GH5 with 2.6 update. I've pounded the payment for days trying to find out many things including LUMINESCENCE LEVELS. All manuals and info docs are from years past. No where anywhere can I find out what is the proper levels for 2.6 version shooting in `10bit 4:22 Intra. This and many other things. Do you happen to know? Thank You.

[@extrashot]

@@sutv6754 Have the luminance levels changed with firmware? I thought the choice of basic range was still the same.. ie 0-255, 16,235 or 16,255. Obviously, if you're shooting 10bit 4:2:2 V-Log-L then you can only use 0-255. If you're talking about the gamma range, then the problem is each picture profile is slightly different, (apart from 709 like, which is obviously standard gamma). VLOG-L gamma curve maps the following brightness levels to the following IRE levels: 0% reflectance (black): 7.3 IRE
 18% reflectance (middle gray): 42 IRE 90% reflectance (white): 61 IRE Absolute white: 80 IRE With V-Log-L nothing can go above 80IRE.... all your dynamic range is within that curve.

[@sutv6754]

@@extrashot Hmm For some reason I thought they had changed. Most tutorials out there are from 2017 or 18. When I watched them I was hearing Luminance level numbers that were not in my camera. But I could very well have just been confused. By the way, the one guy who is very popular Matt Haapoja says the V log on GH5 is worthless and just crap. He seems to think it's garbage. I very much want to get it but he seems to have a lot of experience. Has your V log experience been good with it? I returned my S1H and man oh man am I missing the dynamic range but I gonna make the best of it with the GH5 until I get another big boy this summer. Maybe the Canon. Going to try your auto focus settings now. Your the best. Thanks again. Tom

[@extrashot]

@@sutv6754 Hi Tom, I've got the V-Log on the GH5, but I must admit, I've only really used it when the GH5 is a 'B' camera to something else. Even then, it's when somebody with more skills than me is going to match them in a grade! Obviously, it's only useful if you're shooting 10bit 4:2:2, but the flexibility in the edit can be a help if you have to match say a Sony or Canon camera. Personally, when shooting for myself, I prefer to use a custom profile that gets very close to what I need out of the camera. Again, with 10bit 4:2:2 I find that gives me plenty to play with in the edit for the normal tweaks. I'm not a major fan of LOG in general... I know it can provide a bit more DR and flexibility.... but I like the workflow of getting it close in camera with lights and exposure if possible... and I don't have the talent of a professional colourist... now RAW however.... that's a whole different thing !!!

[@shahid28285]

Thank you for wasting my time with politeness and ease :)

[@extrashot]

You're welcome!

[@Ihyabond009]

I see that you are using Filmstro. What's your opinion about it? And how do you use it?

[@extrashot]

I was using it... after trying it for a year I fancied a change. It is good, and I do like the way you can adapt the music to match the tone of your visuals... which I played with a lot. The problem I had, was I couldn't find enough of the type of music I wanted to use. There's a big choice of genre but not so much within each category. Having said that, they are adding a lot more each month. I also found I was spending way too much of my editing time fiddling with the pace or strength of the tune! When it came for renewal, I found epidemicsounds were doing a good annual offer, so I thought I might give that a try. (They probably need to change their name!)... So far, very impressed, but if their price goes too high, I might go back to Filmstro!

[@laszlototh7026]

Thanks!!

[@extrashot]

Welcome!

[@derrickkay]

Great video I totally agree. It's not reliable. I've looked around at other people's settings but none work.

[@johnvlg01]

The sarcasm is Brilliant and effortless, lol

[@extrashot]

sarcasm ??? 😂

[@ArielHT5John]

I have found the custom multi auto focus area work well with the Leica 12 60. Custom settings off.

[@Mixxwizard]

With my Leica 12-60, lens AF is on. I set my speed to +4, & Sensitivity +3. Menu 1/7 AF Lock. Continuous AF is off. Button by the joystick is set to AFC. To sum it all up, It's just Back Button Focus. I hope this helps, until Panasonic next AutoFocus update. Hey Extrashot, your videos are never a waste of time. I feel they are Funny, & Truthful.

[@MzTypeOHnegative]

This might be a stupid question but can the GH5 shoot in 480p? or 360p? I'm asking because I'm purposely trying to recreate an old quality style look. THANKS

[@extrashot]

No such thing as a stupid question!... but I think 1080p is the smallest the GH5 will record. It's easy to render a 360p or 480p version from your edit software though?

[@jzboyz]

You can definitely downgrade the quality... Trust me, when I exported out of premiere for Instagram, you could definitely tell it was in 480p.

[@stevemann6082]

stick with me gh2 and manual focus with flow motion. can a gh5 record video through its hdmi port onto the camera. ie can you record computer video back to the camera without using paid software.

[@extrashot]

Nope!... no video input on the GH5 !!!

[@JayGrapherTh]

this is a great and honest video, there's improvements but there's still a way to go for panasonic, they do many other things right but AF is certainly a major issue.

[@extrashot]

Thank you... and yes, if they managed to sort it... the GH6 would be unstoppable for video!

[@JayGrapherTh]

@@extrashot is it confirmed to be released in early 2020? feb-march? or just speculation at this point? also if you dont mind, do you happen to recommend lens for video creators FOR the GH system?

[@extrashot]

@@JayGrapherTh I have no clue if there will even be a GH6... I hope there will... but the whole stills market is pretty tough for everyone at the moment. Great camera's on smartphones are smashing traditional camera sales? The lens question is tough... because it really depends on what you want to capture and the style of what you are creating. Personally, if I could only have say two lenses, it would be the Lumix 7-14mm f4 G Vario and the 25mm f1.4 Leica DG Summilux. I recon I could shoot 95% of what I need with those two lenses... but everyone is different !!!

[@archimaide5345]

Thanks a lot for your video. Im about to buy a used gh5 naked( 700 euro) . Im a barber and i need to make video of my work( tuto, stories etc..) gonna record by myself while im cutting. Do you recommend me the gh5? The autofocus wont be a pbm ? Thanks again

[@extrashot]

Totally, and especially if the AF isn't critical. It's a great camera and still the most efficient 4K 10bit 4:2:2 camera around. Send us a link when you start making stories.... and don't forget to enjoy it !!!

[@archimaide5345]

@@extrashot thanks a lot for your work and quick answer. I will send u a link. !

[@rhodrispearingweddingfilms7745]

Did you have quick AF turned on for the face detect? Because for me if it's not turned on the face detect doesn't work properly

[@extrashot]

I didn't think quick AF had any effect when shooting continuous AF in video? When you say it doesn't work properly do you mean it works but not very well?

[@rhodrispearingweddingfilms7745]

@@extrashot I'm generally really confused with the continuous auto-focus settings. For some reason when set to AFC I can't get the camera to continuously focus at all, so I have it set to AFS. But the weirdest thing is that even with the independent continuous auto focus within the menu is switched off it still focuses continuously...And as I mentioned before if 'quick AF' is turned off it again no longer focuses continuously whether it is turned on or off in the menu. Very odd...

[@extrashot]

@@rhodrispearingweddingfilms7745 Okay... I've just done some tests on mine to see if it's the same: I did have 'Quick AF' turned on in the menu (I think I've left it set like that for some time) and yes... it needs to be turned ON for the continuous AF to work when NOT recording. As soon as I press record then the camera will revert back to continuous AF even if Quick AF is OFF. The Continuous AF in the menu was left turned ON throughout. Using the dial on the back of the camera only makes a difference if it's set to MF. All other settings stay continuous AF in video. Just checking... your top dial is set to 'movie' mode is it?

[@JeffBourke]

Okay we agree there are a lot of "wasting time" BUT there is one hint that Geeky Nerd says is to shoot in a higher frame rate. I haven't tried this because I always shoot in 60p anyway but I think it is a good idea.

[@gcprost]

I have firmware version 2.7 and I've noticed a significant improvement in autofocus performance. I used these settings on my last six concert live streams. First, use zone auto focus. I used a bigger zone than what I would normally do. I also used HD. In 4K the auto focus was unusable in this situation. Almost everyone is live streaming in HD instead of 4K. I also recorded 4 of these concerts in camera then reedited the live stream with higher quality. The auto focus was solid.

[@extrashot]

Thank you, and that's good to hear. I need to test again with version 2.7. The problem I had last time was nothing appeared repeatable... whatever the settings!

[@BryanBrosGolf]

very helpful as I'm a golf vlogger(ish) and have the g7 right now and want to upgrade. So I think this might sell me on it!

[@extrashot]

@@BryanBrosGolf It's a big upgrade for video... but be careful, there maybe a GH6 soon???

[@TechJotters]

That ominous music .... forced me to subscribe.

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the sub... appreciated!

[@sean.sullivan]

Curious what rotating stand you're using?

[@extrashot]

Hi Sean, It's just a cheap amazon purchase... I believe it's made for shop window displays, can't remember the make. Just search for "Rotating display turntable"

[@Mattithias]

I agree with this guy 95%. The other 5% is that I get absolute zero pulsing when I’m filming someone in an interview type video like this video where the talent isn’t moving much. I use tracking. I track the talents eye. Custom settings on. Locked on all the way down on both. Sensitivity lowest setting. One area works well for me with the same settings when filming motion. I’ve played with it for a long time. The firmware did help a little. Getting the gh5s tomorrow. Anyone experienced that? Can’t wait for the gh6.

[@extrashot]

I'll go back and have another look with everything locked down... I hope you're not wasting my time!!! (Oh, and we're all waiting for the GH6) 😂

[@SoloBikeTrips]

Do you think Gh5 is still good for 2020 ? Thankyou for comment.

[@extrashot]

It's still a great camera... whatever you compare it to today. That 4K 10bit 4:2:2 is still a struggle for most other makes (without overheating). However, I am worried about future support for the M4/3rds format though... especially with Olympus being sold etc. To answer your question, definitely for 2020 but difficult to know what else will come along for 2021 ???

[@GwynbleiddX1]

@@extrashot According to Panasonic they are not going to abandon the mft format. Their focus is on MFT & full frames. They clearly said that they are not even thinking about an apsc line up as the overlap wil be bad for their MFT and full frame products lineup.

[@extrashot]

@@GwynbleiddX1 I hope you're right... thanks for the info.!

[@Cabronosidad]

When I try to drag the .Bin file into the lumix window it won't let me do it. I'm getting the no entry sign and it bounces it out. What am I doing wrong?

[@extrashot]

Assuming you've formatted the card in the camera.... One silly question... you haven't got the write protect switch on? It's on the left edge of the card... from memory I think it needs to slide towards the contacts (up). Failing that... I'm a bit stumped. Is this on a Mac?

[@Cabronosidad]

@@extrashot Yes,I formatted the card in the camera, and the write protect is off. I'm on a Mac Powerbook, 2012 version.

[@extrashot]

@@Cabronosidad Strange... just checking, you are trying to copy straight onto the SD card, not a sub folder?... a couple more things you could try... 1) Close all your windows, force quit Finder, and when it asks - Relaunch.... 2) Try CMD ' C' (copy) and CMD 'V' (paste) the file into the SD Card window 3) See if it'll let you drag the file into another folder on your hard drive. 4) Can you drag anything else (like a test file) onto the card? It may be something to do with the disk read/write permissions or even 'Authorisation' settings on your Mac.... you know that thing where it keeps asking for a password when you try to move or delete anything? Maybe someone else has had an issue like this? Please let us know... I'm running out of ideas!

[@candyartstv]

What lights are you rocking with back there?

[@extrashot]

That's just my old Dedo kit (3 heads) on the right and an Aladdin A-Lite on the left to check focus... aladdin-lights.com/a-lite/

[@jimmymorgan9808]

Honestly that intro had me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jtdiddy3160]

whats the name of that spinning turntable ur using?

[@extrashot]

It's just a cheap thing I found on Amazon... I can't remember the name. I think it's made for shop displays. Must be honest, I need to find something a little bigger and smoother for product shots. This one has started to get a little lumpy !!!

[@Tsvetok2004]

Awesome video + fantastic presenter = wisdom.

[@extrashot]

Too kind! (but thank you)

[@danquixote6072]

I have the Fuji XT3 and it pulses. It doesn’t get a lot of mentions (except on Camera Conspiracies) but it’s definitely there.

[@engineerfpv]

Dan Quixote are you using the old 1.4 lenses?

[@danquixote6072]

@@engineerfpv The 18-55. It could be my fault, but not sure.

[@extrashot]

I've never used the XT3 (or4) so can't help I afraid.... although I love Camera Conspiracies!

[@doyenartists6850]

The title of your new motivational book: "Press Yes."

[@RM-ud2cm]

can you try speed -5, with sensitivity +3?

[@extrashot]

😂

[@javangodnger]

As a GH5 user, I'd agree with your honest comment saying "We all would lie about the performance of autofocus!" since it's not working constantly. SUB&LIKE!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... it's appreciated!

[@ZJProductionHK]

I was running AF few days back ... and suddenly ... It does not work -,- .... I didn't update any firmware, the auto focus only work when I half press the button ... but not continuous AF ..... but I had set the Continuous AF on already wtf

[@javangodnger]

@@ZJProductionHK Frankly speaking, updating firmware to 2.6 or whatever did not make any remarkable changes at all. What on the earth did Panasonic think their camera EVEN has autofocus mechanism when they developed it in the first place!!! It's rather mysterious are they Panasonic EVEN aware of this much poor performance of autofocus system. They are aware of the complains from every GH5 users in the world but they just ignore or something? Are you expecting GH6 with kick ass autofocus like Sony, Canon or something? I saw some news about it anyhow....Thanks!!

[@ZJProductionHK]

@@javangodnger dun even know when it will be released. And the price must be high. Im expecting similar spec with bmpcc, 6k, same previous ibis, better af

[@extrashot]

@@ZJProductionHK ?... Were both the focus mode dial on the back of the camera and 'Continuous AF' in the menu set? I think it needs both to be set to work? Very strange!

[@dawiedevilliers]

Totally agree, I'm an NBC News camera operator who has a GH5 and the autofocus is not up to scratch for broadcast purposes. The Canon face detection system is solid and reliable. Get it right Panasonic, it is possible.

[@extrashot]

We might have more news on that in about three hours !!! 😂

[@Persiyantsev]

@@extrashot will they announce GH6 today?

[@extrashot]

@@Persiyantsev No.... we need to wait for that, but do we need one with the S5 ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGjIeWZ4eqiEaKs

[@Persiyantsev]

@@extrashot thanks for your review! You are making some quality content!

[@johnvlg01]

bro, u had me on the ground with your two opening acts......bwahahahahaha (left a like)

[@davepanaguiton]

tsah daaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! hahaha great humor :)

[@SLnMariner]

Do you think Gh5 is still good camera to purchase?

[@extrashot]

That's a really good question... they are certainly amazing value right now and they still produce terrific 4K 10bit 4:2:2 pictures like they always have. Still one of my favourite cameras ever. I suppose a lot depends on how important it is for you to have the latest tech and whether you think a GH6 is coming? The problem is not the price of the camera as much as the investment you have to make into all the lenses you may need. How long will it be before you wish you had full frame? Swapping formats is always more painful than the initial purchase. Sorry I can't be more help... but I still love my GH5 !!!

[@SLnMariner]

@@extrashot HI sir I have NIkon Z7 but I want to buy Sony a6400 or Panasonic GH5, 99% I will go for GH5. Thank you for your valuable reply.

[@extrashot]

@@SLnMariner Ahh... so you've already covered the full frame itch... in which case I think it's an easier choice, I'd deffo go for the GH5

[@ParsclickTV]

@@SLnMariner Z7 is amazing tho. Buy S5 ita so much better than GH5

[@SteveT__001]

Coming from a stills background with the GH5 as my first video camera, I'm glad the autofocus is not great, otherwise I would probably never have learnt to use MF efficiently, now I prefer it for video and if good auto focus comes with the (hoped for) GH6 then I will be able to use it for the better.

[@extrashot]

Good point Steve... but then, after manual focussing for over 40 years, I should be really good now!... 🤪😂

[@SteveT__001]

@@extrashot Yeh, I was talking from a purely selfish point of view ;)

[@extrashot]

@@SteveT__001 It's funny... I've spent my whole career saying I'll never need or use auto-focus... it's just for people who don't know what they're doing! But then most of my career has been spent in standard definition on 2/3rds inch sensors... to be honest, we didn't need to focus much until Winter came !!! Now we've got 6K full frame sensors on video... it's all got a bit harder. 😂

[@BarryMaskell]

It would be interesting to see this using the new 25mm f1.4 version 2 lens just released with the new high speed af motor

[@extrashot]

True... different lenses make a massive difference to AF performance... and that one definitely sounds like one to try!

[@adokapo]

One would start to wonder why are only they holding on that clearly inferior contrast af?! Is there some benefits to that like that they can pull out more from the sensor if they have contrast based af (like more fps)because it is less tasking thing to do for cpu and sensor. So maybe in the end compromise of contrast detection is maybe worth it. You see that canon uses contrast detection in order to get things to work at higher fps and resolutions on some of their cameras that uses little older sensor tech. What do you think?

[@extrashot]

There must be a good reason... I mean they stuck with it on the S1H... I just don't have a clue what it is?

[@shiznuts]

My theory... to sell native lenses by Panasonic that have depth from de-focus mapping and Dual I.S. 2 support?

[@adokapo]

@@shiznuts Well maybe. They already invested much time in making that thing, but i dont think that thats main reason because Oly was able to go to phase af over night even on previously cdaf bodies that uses same sensors and that works with all same lenses. They already told us that they prefer cdaf because it gets them cleaner images in terms of banding, and we know that contast is easiest way to get any camera to focus without puting same special pixels or tech on the sensor, and it is less proccessor demanding. So maybe, and just maybe thats the reason or one of reasons why they always been able to give you more fps for any given resolution then any other camera.

[@jtdiddy3160]

so wats the best autofocus settings that u recommend?

[@extrashot]

Ha!.... any you like... it doesn't matter 😂

[@st.michaelthearchangel7774]

I gave out a great, big laugh From the “ta-daaa!” In the intro. 😆

[@extrashot]

Thats the idea! 👍

[@st.michaelthearchangel7774]

@@extrashot Yeah! Just stop wasting people’s time. Just kidding. Great review!

[@extrashot]

@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 Cheers, very kind and appreciated!

[@st.michaelthearchangel7774]

@@extrashot By the way, I just discovered this video, where this man discovered how to vastly improve the autofocus by setting the lens to 25 fps and 180 shutter speed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKGmmHxqndlke9E

[@extrashot]

@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 Yes... We followed that from YodaYeo at the time here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m56Wm4x6e8iAbs0. His discovery was to switch to 179 degrees of shutter rather than 180. It definitely made a difference (until the next firmware update) but only if you use the shutter in angle mode. As I've always preferred to enter the shutter speed manually (in speed mode) there was no advantage.... you're already getting the increased servo speed. If you do run in angle mode it's definitely worth a try.

[@therenderer4726]

Which firmware do you think provided the best autofocus?

[@extrashot]

Oh... definitely v2.6. In particular the face recognition seems to have got almost as good as the 1-Area we all had to use before. It does get a little better each time... I suppose it's just the consistency of the performance that I'm moaning about!

[@sobatnganggur5672]

for the first time., i sub because the bumper

[@extrashot]

Thank you!

[@mmaneage86]

One thing about Panasonic is that they definitely followed up with a ton of firmware updates to make this as good as it could possibly be. They could have released 1 update and said that's all they could do.

[@extrashot]

True... the GH5 has continued to improve since launch. Still my favourite mirrorless. 👍

[@X99Zero]

Trying to fix or improve a system that will never work. The contrast detect focus system is flawed by design.

[@extrashot]

True... but they have done an amazing job at improving a flawed system!

[@minorrhoads5318]

The only lens , i have found that works 99 % great on gh5 v2.6 , is the sigma 16mm 1.4 , and it does not pulse, well hardly ever but is especially good at -2 -2 even the Nocticron 42.5mm 1.2 is not perfect , BUT the 2.5 14mm is also very good at auto , but also one still has to know how to use the camera by practice , like playing a piano , and sticking that other camera in front of you in much darker area , well its not going to see enough contrast to focus , as it did well with your face , even Sony's have a job in the dark , but are now , well beating canon , I've also noticed , even Sony's and Canons loose focus more when one backs away from the cameras , but yes they are still the best at it . thanks for the great honest video , cheers PS one last thing , i am finding with the 16mm1.4 that multi area mode now finds a face much better , and then goes back to nor,al focusing smoothly on closest objects i point it at even in non near or far mode . chow

[@extrashot]

Good info and more to keep trying! Thank you.

[@minorrhoads5318]

@@extrashot Thank's very much for your reply .

[@minorrhoads5318]

@@extrashot PS . I FORGOT TO SAY , BEST AUTO FOCUS ON GH5 , IS DEFINITELY 60P AND EVEN BETTER WITH 100 SHUTTER OVER 60 FPS , PLAYS FINE WITH NO FLICKING ON MAC IN UK EVEN THOUGH MACS IN UK ARE 60HZ SCREEN TYPES APPARENTLY BUT NOT 50HZ PAL UK TVs , PANNING 60P ON A MAC IS SMOOTH , BUT 50P JOLTS EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN PANNING ON MAC EVEN IN ON UK MAC , BUT ITS THE OPPOSITE ON A PAL TV , EVEN YEARS AGO I WAS AMAZED HOW WELL MY LITTLE SONY HX200V PAL VERSION PANNED WONDERFUL ON A PANASONIC PAL TV, BUT NOT ON A MAC , SO I STICK TO 60P WITH THAT 100 SHUTTER FOR MAC FOR PERFECT PANNING AND NO FLICKR UNDER OLD UK LIGHTING WHICH IS 50 HZ , and even SOME LED's DON'T CAUSE ANY FLICKER EVEN AT SOME WRONG FRAME SHUTTER RATES , BUT SOME DO CAUSE BANDING ON SOME HIGH SPEED ELECTRIC SHUTTER PHOTOS OF COURSE AS THEY ALSO FOUND WITH THE A9 MK 1 AND 2 , SORRY TO GO ON , CHEERS

[@extrashot]

@@minorrhoads5318 All older Mac's run at 60Hz although you can often change that if you have an external display. On the newer 16 inch MacBook Pro and XDR displays you can change the refresh rate to match double the frame rate of whatever you're producing. To be honest, I'm surprised you can tell the difference between 60Hz and 50Hz even under UK lighting. You must be panning very fast !!!

[@minorrhoads5318]

@@extrashot Ha ha , yes , it may not bother some , but years ago it all started as i watched the difference between cars going by in 50p 720 size vs 60p 720 size with the static camera view on hacked gh2 , and i just love the 60 p smoothness , if one watches an expert which i am not film in 24p they pan with the subject and don't worry about the jerky back ground so it keeps people focused on the clear subject , But thanks for the tip on the monitors , but mine is not external sadly in some ways , yes that 50p jerk is not ever frame , its every so many frame's, and i do actual prefer 50/48 shutter over 24frames or 25frames , or even 30p footage than that smooth then jump 50p ,so i stick to 60 mostly , but of course some times one needs a faster lens on mft for the faster shutter needed for 60 in low light , PS Enjoyed your full frame S1H review too , even a none camera nerd friend thought it was excellently presented . Thanks again .

[@Worthfishing]

Auto focus is nice but I really don’t need it.For what the GH5 offers I don’t mind doing manual focus. Good video though.Thanks

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind comment... luckily I'm used to manual too!