Panasonic GH6 - Why I'm disappointed. (Lumix S5 Owner Hands On)

[@impatrickt]

I love creepy underpasses

[@aaronpeipert]

Add a mustache on you might be on to something. 🤷‍♀️

[@GregTardif]

I like turtles

[@alisinclair8529]

Who’s creeping behind the pillar at 50 seconds? 😳

[@jimgiraffe5253]

would you buy the gh6 now its on offer for £1325 with another £200 off , so £1125 in total ? 1400 us dollars? or would you wait for a gh7 ?

[@Aviciiz]

I was actually very surprised when I heard the price was only €2200,-. Thought it would be atleast €2500 like the GH5S was at launch. I think it is a great choice for existing m43 users who have lots of lenses for it. Other than that I don’t think it will bring any new customers, the S5 is just priced way too good and so is the image quality. Maybe the GH6 would sound a lot better if the S5 never existed...

[@Lifetogo]

Great Video. Thank you. Switching from Canon to Pana Lumix S5 II and 2 bodies, would you recommend 2x S5 II and also with Sigma 60-600mm for Tele or 1x S5II and 1x GH6 with 100-400mm as Tele and for video and photo?

[@briandipierro8865]

I hope we get an S5 mkII with that tilt/flip screen and more codecs with a bit more horsepower. I think that'd be perfect

[@carriagel8773]

maybe like s1 with 5,9k internal or with 1080p 120fps 10bit like s1h has.

[@christianfriedrichs]

🙏

[@zachwilkins]

As a GH5 user who also now uses Sony a7iv, you expressed pretty much everything I've been thinking about it too. Just go FF for that price now a days, even though it's still a pretty awesome camera.

[@manoftheroad55]

Yes...valid point ..if hype is believed dynamic range ..color ...my thought too expensive.

[@Fbnt1]

I am really struggling between GH6 or Sony a7IV, I can't decide. What would you recommend me? I want to shoot some Vlogging & travel footage of nature scenaries. GH6 has the better image stabilization (for videos) & 4K120p. But the a7IV has the better auto-focus. What can you say to both cameras? :)

[@zachwilkins]

@@Fbnt1 I feel like so much depends on what's most important to you. Keep in mind if you switch systems you have to buy all new glass, etc. I will say I miss the stabilization from panasonic but sony isn't terrible. Sony is way sharper in general and my hunch is that a7iv 120 fps in HD probably looks pretty similar to gh6 120 in 4k

[@manoftheroad55]

@@Fbnt1 Perhaps a phone is a good option..easy small good image quality..recommended by Casey Niestat used by Mr Pratt..see link kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpusYoJnZrhrgbs

[@joshdiditt]

The GH6 has Better specs than anything Sony and Canon are putting in their mirrorless bodies by a long shot. The no phase detection autofocus will always hurt Panasonic.

[@impatrickt]

specs mean jack shit to me these days, truly. everything is good.

[@joshdiditt]

@@impatrickt True, but Shutter Angle, being able to record to an external SSD, having unlimited recording modes are all useful specs and what the GH6 can do. I won’t be getting this camera either. I’m sticking with my S5 hoping Panasonic comes out with an L mount EVA2 this year.

[@impatrickt]

@@joshdiditt I talked about shutter angle in my S5 vs a7iv video. Every Sony user I know is making incredible videos without it. It’s not a big deal. SSD is fine but you’re rigging up at that point. Might as well throw an 12G sdi on the S5 and get unlimited 5.7K BRAW or ProRes RAW. GH6 specs sound really cool but they’re not really all that practical in the big picture.

[@johnnyonline]

I was a GH4 shooter for years and then held off on the GH5 for the power of the BMPCC4K. It's been my daily driver for weddings and corporate but now I miss all the nice things of an all in one camera. I was thinking that surely the GH6 would answer that. It's not blowing my mind. I really wanted it to blow my mind. At this point I think an old GH5 is a better purchase.

[@Whatsup_Abroad]

I'm the opposite. I've got a g9 and a bmpcc4k and I'm selling both to get a gh6. the lowlight capabilities look as gold as the bmpcc4k to my eyes, handheld high res will be extremely nice for detail shots, and the ibis being even better than my g9 is magic. The combination of quality and ease of use will make it a perfect replacement for both of my cameras now.

[@9swk9]

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy Sony, not join them! - All Panasonic users watching this video Kidding aside, I think you put it perfectly that if the GH6 had phase detect AF and 4k60 10 bit, that would have been a good enough upgrade for many people.

[@impatrickt]

@sk that’s why Sony and Canon are dominating.

[@paulhardy9252]

My thoughts entirely - bye bye Panny!

[@TDCIYB77]

@sk Thats the excuse they gave in the B&H podcast. To Toneh Northrup the Panasonic people said that GH6 was so long in development, that phase detect was not on their agenda many years ago and that they could not change it during development. No one knows why for sure. And even those excuses above come from Lumix USA, and AFAIK Japan is not known for letting overseas PR people gain deep insight into their corporate decisions and policies.

[@HokKan]

They do, it's called the OM-1.

[@impatrickt]

@@HokKan the colors coming out of that camera make the Sony a7iii look like an Alexa. 🤮

[@TomasStavik]

Dude. Thanks for this. Been a GH4 shooter for some years and I had my mouse over the pre-order button on the GH6, but I wound up going for the S5 after I saw Gerald Undone say he'd also recommend the S5 over the GH6. Got some crap from a friend who ordered the GH6. But man.. I'm glad I'm getting into the full frame format now.

[@impatrickt]

welcome!

[@noxtrom]

Agree....

[@premshashi]

Your sentiments on the GH6 is exactly why after owning a gh4 and gh5 for many years I finally switched to full frame with the Sony a74. I got fed up using a speed booster with every lens, the crops etc. I also don't care about some of the extra stuff they added in the GH6 so I am glad I didn't wait and pulled the trigger on the a74.

[@DeshayTheLegend]

same

[@LaurenceLee]

Did you ever pick up the s5 before going Sony? I'm debating s5 vs a7iv right now and I can't decide between great IBIS vs great autofocus.

[@DeshayTheLegend]

@@LaurenceLee what type of things do you record? I’d say go for the Sony

[@Whatsup_Abroad]

@@LaurenceLee Panasonic. It does external raw recording and the ibis is much much better. You can replace auto focus with the twist of a wrist, stabilization requires gear and weight.

[@DeshayTheLegend]

@@Whatsup_Abroad stop the cap. Lmao most peoples ability to track a subject using manual focus is no where near close to Sony Autofocus. Only thing Panasonic has is better ibis. I have the A7iv and do handheld scenes all the time it’s not bad by any means

[@filmingtom]

in 2019/2020, the GH6 release would have been a beast of a camera… but today, in 2022 i‘m shooting with the s5 and wait until panasonic gives us the next generation of their fullframe cameras… great video! 🎉

[@Fedorevsky]

Same

[@colinthomas2525]

Ok PT. You have to get one of these listed cameras which do you go with. Gh6 with kit 12-60: $3600 CAD S5 with kit 20-60: $2500 CAD S1 with kit 24-105: $3200 CAD Thanks for the help.

[@impatrickt]

S5. Best image quality. Has the bells and whistles that actually matter. Not paper specs that have no real practical benefit.

[@seiyacreates]

It’s funny in relationships, how sometimes the thing you say isn’t a big deal, becomes the biggest deal. That’s my relationship with Panasonic for the past 6 years. Had a Panasonic G7 and currently own a Panasonic G9. I kept saying to myself autofocus wasn’t a big deal, that it had so much going on for it that it negates that one Achilles heel. …But you see how little compromises other cameras have these days and you keep wondering. “Why are you trying so hard to stay?” Pride? Ego? Color Science? Either way, I think I’m ready to switch brands. I hope Panasonic the best, I just wished it focused on the real issue.

[@mirrorlessmemory]

Pun intended on that last sentence?? Lol

[@DeshayTheLegend]

i switched to the darkside and got a A7iv to replace my Gh5

[@chandanprakash2002]

We live in an age where one gets a sense of pride is displaying their incompetence. This is all i can say.

[@ericsbriggs]

@@DeshayTheLegend Happy with the decision? Particularly curious about the 1080 60p quality, or if you shoot much 4k 60 and don't mind the crop.

[@DeshayTheLegend]

@@ericsbriggs i am more than happy! A7IV is amazing. The crop doesn’t matter to me I just take a couple steps back if I need to fit more into my frame. Also the 1080 120fps is good I upscale it onto my 4K timeline and color grade it and you can barely tell the difference. I really love the camera

[@Chilupiano]

My gh5ii doesn’t pulsate or lose focus. Course my canon is better but my gh5ii is decent enough. It does depend what you’re using it for. My focus settings if it helps anyone: AFS..not continuous…area 1 plus human, sensitivity -3 speed -3. …no pulsating very good focusing. Panasonic needs to make these settings standard. But, if you’re a youtuber with just basic video needs, better get a Sony or canon. Filmmakers rarely use autofocus anyway. Cheers.

[@impatrickt]

your last statement is the BS that panasonic keeps using as an excuse but meanwhile every Sony and Canon cinema camera has reliable AF.

[@Chilupiano]

@@impatrickt ? Um ok lol that’s exactly what I said. If you’re doing KZbin go Sony or canon. I use canon for My KZbin and Panasonic and Canon on gigs . (un subbing for calling me a BSer. I didn’t quote Panasonic simply stated what I do and know. You need to treat your subscribers a little better. Perhaps I touched some nerve, but it’s not my problem. Good luck on your “filmmaking” career without taking advantage of focus pulling 🤣 on any brand

[@ColorfieldMedia]

You pretty much nailed it. I keep Blackmagic cams for when I want the best image quality and have two GH5S cams for corporate or event work when I travel. They can see in the dark and I can use tiny native lenses on them. I can even film RAW with them if I want to. I use a Canon when I need the AF. The GH6 looks cool but just can’t justify that purchase in 2022…especially with DFD focus.

[@michaelkupfer3723]

Thats interesting. Is the Blackmagic really better for "cinematic" stuff? Which one?

[@ColorfieldMedia]

@@michaelkupfer3723 I think so. Here is sample footage with the 6K kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJvEmJiJgJyqbq8

[@chris_sparrows]

I'm torn. As someone else said, I want to want it, but... Originally my dilemma was GH4 vs the a6300, but I waited long enough to get the GH5 at launch. But now to move on, I don't know. I might just rent an S5 to see how I like that. Really, it feels like Windows Phone. It's great and even does some things better than the competition, but it's really too little, too late. If I jump on the train, I think I'm just delaying the inevitable.

[@Naumachia]

I haven't tried the GH6 so I don't know what I'm talking about. But I think that the GH6 is a seriously cool successor to the mighty GH5. It's not geared towards KZbinrs at all and I really think it has it's place for documentary, commercial and studio work! In a way I think that this camera completely destroys something like the BMPCC6K because of that IBIS. I just bought the S5 and with my Sigma 24-70 and Atomos Ninja V I'm not really feeling like I'm missing anything. But the fact that lenses are so much cheaper for MFT makes the GH6 a very cool option for filmmakers who's already invested in and loves the MFT-system. I hope that I can test one out but for now I'm happy with my S5 and GH5 combo! Thanks for another great video!

[@end27]

i dont think filmmakers are invested in. they all use manual focus, they dont use native lenses, they use 3rd party fast primes with adapters, speedboosters.. if and when m43 dies they will only lose on their cam body and adapter. they will keep lenses and simply buy new adapter for new camera.. big price are gonna pay amateurs like me, who got gh5 impressed by video recording specs but use camera for fun stuff and ofc we use autofocus and because of that we have to use native lenses.. m43 lenses are gonna drop in price so hard as with time when fullframe gets better and cheaper

[@KBmediaOnline]

When the S-series 1st came out a lot of the glass was expensive. There are plenty of inexpensive options now, especially if you adapt EF lenses

[@Naumachia]

@@end27 Filmmakers aren't invested in mft? Of course they are! You need to remember that there are many different types of filmmakers. MFT is and has been a very big thing among people who need their equipment to be smaller than full frame glass. Look at lenses like the 35-100 from Panasonic! A perfect example of a lens which doesn't need to be super big but still have the reach for someone who's depending on traveling a lot and implement the run and gun or documentary style. I really don't think that MFT is going to die. It still has a very viable place for serious filmmakers and the GH5 is still going to be strong on the market now that it's going to be even cheaper after the release of GH6. It feels like the "MFT is dead" comes from KZbinrs wanting to implement chock value to their videos. It's still immensely popular in Japan for instance! If i remember correctly, OM-Systems reported having the largest market share among any lens mount in Japan in 2021. So saying MFT is dead is like saying that Full Frame is dead just because the majority of filmmaking takes place on super 35-sensors.

[@Naumachia]

​@@KBmediaOnline It's a bit better now, yes. But MFT is still cheaper and smaller. There's always going to be room for something that has a smaller form factor and costs less! One thing that's easier to achieve on FF is better dynamic range which was a bummer with the GH6. The S5 still has better dynamic range than the GH6. Still, I bet that most of us would fail in a side by side comparison in a MFT vs FF situation. At the end of the day the most important thing is what you film, not with what you film.

[@impatrickt]

@@Naumachia what commercial or even indie films are shooting MFT? if by filmmaker you mean videographers i would agree but in any major metropolitan market MFT is all but dead in the industry.

[@DrewLytle]

Still rocking my GH3 I bought used in 2010 to make YT vids. No one’s ever complained about the video quality. Only reason I’d upgrade to anything else is autofocus - great video Patrick!

[@bencehorvath1547]

I was thinking about what i should buy as my first "big" camera as i had zero equipment before. I was standing between the gh5 and the s5. In the end i have bought a gh5ii cause it was as cheap as i could get the first generation and i realised that in the next 3 years i could not afford a good full frame lens. When these reviews started to pop, first i questiond my self but now i think, i had the best deal as i could right now. After the next 3 years i will see if full frame is more available in price but till that point i am going to enjoy what i think is the perfect m43 camera with hella cheap lenses.

[@impatrickt]

The thing is if you go Sony or Canon. You get cheap lenses plus great video autofocus. Plus full frame.

[@candyartstv]

Wasn't feeling this review until I got my hands on the camera and you're right. It's not much better than the GH5 and I prefer the BGH1 if I'm rigging. I 100% don't mind the crop or auto focus. I just don't think it's offering much more (for me) than having to buy new recording media/readers and massive file sizes. I'm returning mine and sticking with what I have. The GH6 is by no means a bad camera, it's that the previous cameras are really good.

[@impatrickt]

Exactly

[@daysandwords]

I know this is old now, but having gone from m4/3 to the S5-II, I just don't see the "point" in m4/3, except for travel and stuff where space really is an issue, and even then... some of the good zooms for m4/3 are MASSIVE and crazy expensive too. And it doesn't matter WHAT specs the sensor has, so long as it remains just over half the size, it's not going to look as good.

[@impatrickt]

i totally agree - i havent used mft since this video lol

[@umpopablebubble]

I love my S5, and have an XT-3 as a b-cam. Upon hearing the specs i thought for sure this (GH6) would be the one to swap for my XT-3, but after looking at footage and knowing how my S5 sees in the dark, I'm defintely better off getting an A7IV or just a second S5. Full frame 4K 4:2:2 10 Bit just towers over the crop sensors these days

[@impatrickt]

agreed

[@definingslawek4731]

Appreciate the honesty and the paying attention to value for money 🔥 Especially useful when every other video is ultra glowing and 100% positive.

[@impatrickt]

LOL it’s a hilarious scene. I want out.

[@thehararean]

Lumix GH6 is a great camera autofocus or no autofocus. I understand your point though you as a KZbinr that the Sony makes more sense for you.

[@impatrickt]

KZbin is the bottom of my priorities lol I wouldn't buy this for work either.

[@thehararean]

@@impatrickt I understand, you needs don't align with the camera.i know you mean well

[@XhonDang]

I’m waiting for the day where we finally disagree so we can argue and just get it out of the way. But that day….is not today. The S5 definitely does feel like the GH6, and based on the price points/specs it feels weird to even buy a GH6 when the S5 is right there. And you know I love my GH5.

[@KBmediaOnline]

One of the benefits I see is not having to worry about it cropping when changing to slo mo and also being able to shoot in 4k 120p. Cant wait for an S-Series cam that will have similar features. Still love my S-Series though

[@impatrickt]

@@KBmediaOnline im actually a big fan of how these new FF cameras push to S35 so easily. it gives you 2 lenses out of 1.

[@DaisysWorld192]

What a breath of fresh air! You sir are spot on! I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's better to buy the GH5. Panasonic only had to fix one thing and they had five years to do it!

[@MarkStCyr]

That pulsating autofocus in the opening shot is embarassing for Panasonic, and makes me feel really good about moving to A7IV even if the ergonomics and menus aren't as enjoyable. I DO think the new flip screen design is brilliant and I hope Sony and others begin to copy it

[@impatrickt]

Flip screen is sweet it’s kind of bulky though.

[@CharlieVN]

apparently, there is a focus limiter that should improve this characteristic, wish I had one to test out

[@impatrickt]

@@CharlieVN ive played with all of that today. nothing makes it reliable enough to recommend. the pulsing is almost always present.

[@inteligentista]

gh6 beat a7sIII in many aspects even image quality. See the Potato Jet review. He shows that GH6 is better in 3200 and 6400 ISO than a7sIII for 1300 USD less. Even DR of GH6 with the boost on is better than A7SIII in this test.

[@impatrickt]

id still take the a7siii or a7iv. but more than both of those I'd take the S5.

[@godsakes]

@@impatrickt I thought your biggest gripe was the AF?

[@asolidmindproductions]

@@impatrickt This is really interesting to me; why would you take the S5 over the Sonys? Seems like if you're going FF, the Sony's would be superior to the S5 in almost every way. Is it just preference? Also, I agree with some of your assessment of the GH6 and I would've upgraded to the S series by now but the deal breaker for me is the lack of L Mount lenses, and especially affordable L Mount lenses, both Cine and stills. Even though the S5/S1 are cheaper now than the GH6, the L Mount lenses would negate the savings as you'd have to spend practically double what you would for M43 lenses. If the S series would've had EF mount, it would've been a no brainer for me. Thanks for the review!

[@impatrickt]

@@godsakes no it’s everything. I’m not doing 2x lens math, I’m not dealing with the worse highlight roll off, the camera is also big and heavy.

[@impatrickt]

@@asolidmindproductions I have an a7iv too. I have a whole video on why I prefer the S5

[@mmatiasji]

love your color grading, do you use any plugin like dehancer or something like that? thanks!

[@impatrickt]

i use filmbox sometimes but this is just manually graded

[@BootStrapTurnerVideography]

Love my LUMIX S5. After moving from MFT a year ago, don’t see the reason to move back to it.

[@ActionXander]

I'm still rolling with my Fuji XT-4 and I'm not gonna lie... Kinda been falling into the rabbit hole for the GH6 only because I kinda want another camera for vlogging/getting nice quick b roll when I'm snowboarding or out in the elements.This review definitely helped me!

[@impatrickt]

the gh6 is bigger than the xt4

[@ActionXander]

@@impatrickt I meant another 🤣 sorry but good to know!

[@BretMiller]

I chose the S5 over the gh5 ii because the price for the body + lens was a little better and I said why not get the full frame look especially for a little less money. Currently the S5 is priced at 1500 usd with a free 85mm lens included. Gh6 is 1700 body only. The main reasons for the gh6 are if you want 4k 120 or you really want cf express cards and prores codecs. Everything in the gh6 and then some will probably be in the successor to the S1H soon. I've never had a problem with the autofocus on my S5. I just use it for handheld vlogging or locked off on a tripod for video. For stills the subject detection works great. It will draw a box around the entire cat but when I check the files on the computer the cats face and eyes are always in focus so it must be detecting the face and eyes even if it is just drawing the box around the whole animal. Bottom line the af works great for everything I do. I am tempted to buy another S5 especially to get the free lens. I would also grab a gh6 if I found a really good discount offer

[@BrennanMartin]

To be fair, I'm kind of surprised for the hate on m43. Maybe I just haven't gotten into full frame enough? But it seems like most of the issues m43 has, lower dynamic range and bad lowlight are kind of mitigated with this camera, with its dynamic range push, and better lowlight. To be fair, I like the flexibility that speedboosters give me, the stabilization, and the crazy slow motion options. And now with the dynamic range boost, kinda feels like creatively this camera could do anything you want. Maybe we're just getting to a point of good enough cameras. I felt like the gh5 was almost there. If the gh6 had raw internal, it would be the ultimate imo. What is it that full frame gives you that you're missing on the gh6?

[@impatrickt]

Image tonality, low light, no lens crops - iso 800 on the GH6 looks like 5000 on the S5.

[@manilamartin1001]

now that the s5ii is out. I'm dreaming of Panasonic. I still shoot gh5 and gh4. but pdaf has me thinking of an upgrade

[@markshirley01]

7:30 you summed it up perfectly, better than anyone else - drop the mic leave the room. 💥

[@GarrettWare]

Your past few videos have not missed and this is no exception👊🏼 As I stated on my Potato Jet comment this camera is just weird to me MAINLY because of how capable the S5 and S1 are. Also, I keep telling myself Panasonic isn't done with improving them even more with future firmware. Much love from East Tennessee🙏🏼

[@yourbuddyaj]

East Tennessee, the greatest place ever until the weather turns and we’re swatting mosquitos again 😂

[@GarrettWare]

@@yourbuddyaj I see no lies here😂 Today was 65 degrees and LITERALLY Friday there are reports of 24 degree temps and snow heading our way

[@whiterock1865]

Yes, I see what you're saying and to me at least this camera is more going to appeal to current users. I doubt its going to win anyone to switch over or start their career with this platform given all the other options out there. If this ends up being the last GH, well it'll give a few more years of use and pay for itself many times over...and if in a few years we actually get a gh7 with PDAF organic sensors, blah blah blah then I'll have more than enough bank to switch or stay for a few more years.

[@miao7002]

What should I choose for my first camera ever, for filmmaking course? There's so many I'm so lost lol and I don't have any lenses or anything

[@davidmurray5926]

I agree with everything you said here. That rear LCD implementation is fantastic. It keeps the moaning, crying KZbinrs happy so they can see themselves, and for the rest of us we still have the fast and inconspicuous tilt.

[@erbartlett]

I kinda agree, thought low light would have been the other single thing that could sell me on this.

[@dbcandela]

i need to know which lens is the fisheye/wide angle one that you are using at the begining. I love the look!

[@impatrickt]

some $40 filter wide angle from amazon

[@SpencerWhiteman]

I couldn't agree more, thank you for your service Pat!

[@agenericaccount3935]

I think you pretty much nailed it. It is… neat, but it wasn’t born in a vacuum like its iconic predecessor was. And I ask myself, what IS the upgrade path TO the GH6 that makes sense these days? If I had to sit and think about it? GH4 and earlier owners, early MFT BMPCC owners? bUT PrO’s fOcUs MaNuALlY people? Idk. Maybe folks who have a second mortgage on a sizeable MFT glass library? For my part, even as a hobbyist, if my gear was all stolen tomorrow, and I had to buy it all again, I probably wouldn’t be writing Panasonic a cheque for this product.

[@Entrenuages]

I think YOU nailed it: what’s the upgrade path to the GH6 indeed? The BMPCC4K was arguably a cinecentric GH5 with better recording options and menus -its adopters might not find the GH6 a compelling upgrade.

[@temitayoisme]

know nothing about Panasonic cameras but I love these rad outside shots you've been including lately.

[@hundred.billion]

Crap - your words convinced me to not buy the GH6, but your video is convincing me to buy the GH6. The video quality is awesome and the autofocus locked on perfectly the whole time.

[@impatrickt]

did you watch the same video? this thing is out of focus more than its in focus. not to mention the pulsing.

[@hundred.billion]

@@impatrickt dammit - you're right. I was just clicking around and doing some spot checks and I saw that it looked good. arrghh. Thanks for being a brutally honest reviewer and not a Panasonic fanboy. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and change to Sony.

[@impatrickt]

@@hundred.billion all good. would hate for you to buy it and then be disappointed.

[@8bitofit359]

Even in germany you got it for 1500 plus the 50 1.8 which was a steal. The S5

[@JordanSubido]

I own GH5 GH6 and S5ii. Got a great deal to straight swap my GH6 to s5 + sigma 85mm f1.4. A cam is S5ii + Lumix S pro 28-70 B cam S5 + sigma 85mm C cam GH5 + speedbooster 18-35mm What do you think?

[@impatrickt]

I’d lose MFT at this point but can’t go wrong with that setup

[@JordanSubido]

@@impatrickt i shoot weddings and real estate (few headshots interview) I kept the gh5 especially for weddings as I also have the Helios 44-2 😅 it becomes both A cam and B cam 😅

[@Anomaliayt]

Mmm, I disagree on the points of prores (coming from ursa, the prores 422 was so insanely gorgeous). I also don’t care about the automatic focus as I’ve manual focused my whole life. The biggest deal breaker is the dynamic range and low light, which just comes with a m43. I want an a7siii but I jus can’t justify it as shooting has taken a back seat for editing, but im intrigued about the s5 for sure… so cheap. How bad is the moire on that? Seems like that could be a deal breaker. But the value is insane. I’d consider the gh6 if it had amazing dynamic range

[@impatrickt]

Have you tried the ProRes Vs H265? You can’t even tell the difference.

[@Anomaliayt]

@@impatrickt true, I haven’t. Do you notice an issue with the moire on the s5? Is the h.265 comparable to the prores 422 you’d get out of the ninja v?

[@Anomaliayt]

@@impatrickt I ended up sending an offer for an S5, but later realised it was the s1. I got the s1 with v log upgrade which came to the same price as the S5. I wonder if I made the right choice. A lot of pros and cons. Your vids helped sway me to the Panasonic side for sure

[@chinitopinoy1726]

You should try Sigma MFT lenses. The reviews I’ve seen using them on a G9 have slightly less but smoother AF speed transition with way less pulsing. I’m sure the GH6 will be better with them.

[@impatrickt]

I have the 30mm F1.4. Same issue.

[@chinitopinoy1726]

@@impatrickt okay, thanks for clarifying. 👌Did you try putting AF sensitivity down? I think the KZbinr I saw had a Sigma 16 1.4, but since you are having an issue with the 30 1.4, not too sure anymore.

[@impatrickt]

@@chinitopinoy1726 no, and ive spoken with Gerald Undone. there's no reliable way to make this AF work consistently. It can, and will mess up for absolutely no discernible reason every shoot.

[@chinitopinoy1726]

@@impatrickt okay, thanks for letting me know. I was gonna test this myself but looks like I don’t need to anymore since you guys have tried. Hope Panasonic can further improve it through firmware but I highly doubt it.

[@impatrickt]

@@chinitopinoy1726 they always say they will but have you seen the interview with the Panasonic rep? They knew people wanted Phase Detect. This is them maxing out the contrast tech. We'll see PDAF in the S line for sure.

[@hasenmyer]

From 7:25 my thoughts exactly. There is just no reason to settle for sub par autofocus in 2022. If you manual focus you may as well stick with he gh5. Why invest in a camera where the AF is just going to wobble all over the place, and if anyone tells you it "better","ok", or "good enough" they are not leveling with you.

[@impatrickt]

100%

[@jackadamsweddings]

How is this guy my favourite KZbinr when he mainly just reviews cameras? Epic style and even loved the background noise

[@briandipierro8865]

Just wanted to say. The look of this video is wonderful, you always nail it.

[@LU5DX-1]

Hi Patrick. At what expense have they improved the GH5 with this GH6? Basically it seems like the GH6 will be a battery hog. The form factor is one of the other reasons why micro 4/3 is still popular.

[@impatrickt]

its not popular in North America. they have almost no market share here. gh6 has a new battery. same one in the S series.

[@ElusiveFrame]

The only review we really needed for the GH6. Great points Patrick! 💪 I think that Panasonic had to price it much lower, to hit the market with a low price for a great camera. 💸

[@diderichlangmannen]

After this review he needed new wiper! But I'm agree with you - I waited with my decision of buying a GH6, a GH5S or a S5. Now I know that I will not buy a GH6 because I don't need a lot what the camera offers and I will get a brand new GH5S body or S5 body for about €1.450,00 ... I will not pay €2.200,00 for things I don't need if I get 95% of the image quality for 800bucks less.

[@trackzillas84]

Great Video Patrick.. The Panasonic S1 is no joke, the only thing missing in my opinion is (4K ALL-I Mode) Panasonic please add it to the S1 even if it's 15 mins timed recording like the 6K Mode.

[@kranvery]

Patrick, one question, the S5 does not have a wide variety of lenses, can you put an adapter to use Canon or Nikon lenses? If there is an adapter, which one would you recommend? Thank you Patrick, i really like your videos :D

[@impatrickt]

there’s a lot of L mount lenses now. i dont really like adapters but there are nikon and canon ones.

[@gabrielmachadobsb]

I'd love to see an image comparison to the Pocket 4k, bc I'm not even sure the GH6 has it beat on that regard. So far I haven't been a fan of any images I've seen out of the GH6 when comparing it to Blackmagics or newer Sonys, and I've always been in love with Panasonic's colors

[@Aviciiz]

Honestly the colours seem to be exactly the same to me, just not the same DR as S series.

[@gabrielmachadobsb]

@@Aviciiz I watched the DPReviewTV video comparing the GH6 to the S1H and I really thought they look very different. At around 4:48 they have a side by side that really showcases how the S line has deeper colors with fine detail, while the GH6 is looking like oversharpened phone footage. I mean, a lot of what I've seen looks worse than footage from a GH5 even though the specs are spectacular. I just wonder why

[@Khiro822]

Anther well done and honest video. I really dig your style of shooting and communication. But it still doesn't help me with my ongoing, tourtuous dilemma. How do I decide between the S5 and A7 IV???!!!

[@impatrickt]

Flip a coin

[@michaelkupfer3723]

I almost bought the GH6, but glad I didn't. The GH5S does everything I need for now. I WILL however go to Full Frame when someone comes out with my perfect camera: Full Frame, Great IBIS, Anamorphic Modes, Recording in ProRes, Tilted Screen, Power by (USB) cable, no warbly rolling shutter No one seems to know how to produce such a camera. Until then, I'll wait

[@impatrickt]

S5 would do all that.

[@TheFilmmakersWorkshop]

Totally get your hesitation. I do think that uncropped 4k120 and 5.7k60 are where the GH6 warrants more attention and differentiates itself from the S5. Like you, I have a Bmpcc4k and both these kids are worth chucking in the ball pool to see if they play together. Last week I had an overseas edit job, which turned into a filming gig. A GH6 would have made a real difference. All I had was a DJI pocket!!! Lol Got the job done, but, as an always with you, (lighter and more capable than an S cam, cam) I have to wonder if the GH6 isn’t my problem solver to ensure I blow clients away, as I’ll always bring it. Like the underpass vibes and sound was good too. Keep playing with the GH6 😎

[@impatrickt]

4K 120 I never use, 5.7k 60 I never use. sounds cool on paper. you might use it once or twice the entire time you own the camera.

[@dmp0x]

it's so funny you mention this, but yeah the top of my very short list on why i got an S5 was the amount of math i wouldn't have to do with that camera! the lens is the lens! but yeah fantastic video! and it just really kind of validates what i was feeling last night watching the reveal, i kept asking myself, "ok yeah, cool, but uhhhhh, i'll be keeping my S5"

[@desotaku5202]

My biggest let down with this camera is the hdmi delay. I've seen that they didn't fix the lag and it was my biggest issue with the gh5. I need bigger screens for good focus and using a gh5 with a monitor makes you feel drunk. Like 250-280ms delay. When the subject left focus range or even the frame, it takes a third of a second for you to realize while looking on a monitor. And good focus with a moving subject (like a high energy music video) was extremely hard on the tiny screen while recording. Otherwise, it's fantastic from what it seems.

[@extramedium3920]

The 4 channel audio support and 100Mpix still mode are great, but it does feel like biggest issue, the AF was the first thing they should have addressed. That said, I think there are ways to mitigate this. Also, if being used for cinema, AF be damned.

[@impatrickt]

If being used for cinema you wouldn’t get this camera. I believe that fully.

[@extramedium3920]

@@impatrickt kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKOVgaydqbSceqM

[@tombuck]

As soon as I heard about this camera I was like, “I NEED to know what Patrick thinks and I hope he’s in a creepy underpass.” Thank you for delivering 🙏

[@impatrickt]

As soon as it arrived I thought “Tom will want me to stand under a creepy underpass for this”

[@tombuck]

@@impatrickt I appreciate that! I had my informant check in at 0:49 to make sure it was happening.

[@b.w.6615]

dude, the vibe of your videos is super nice at the moment!

[@impatrickt]

thanks!

[@brunopapic6295]

yo i absolutely agree with you. i was really dissapointed when gh6 came out.

[@garfieldmtify]

Patrick absolutely A1+ video mate! I would say you totally nailed it hard! You know Panasonic, Sony, Canon, Nikon & Black Magic very well. See here is the thing, I believe we are both in the same boat. I have a GH5 & two lenses (12-35mm f2.8 Lumix & Olympics 7-17 f2.8 PRO), love the 4/3 system. The low light and AF is weak with the GH5. Not interested in speed booster, like why get extra stuff!? I have two Sonys cameras now (A1 & A7C). Yes, Yes, Yes waited for the GH6, wanted them to improve the AF so bad and improve the light (if they could). That is it, that is all I wanted from the GH6. Sadly, very very AF a bit better but Sony, Canon, Nikon AF just way better. So why why why won't Panasonic get their AF if anything on the same level as those other companies? ...too hard, too expensive 🤷🏽. I so want to use my GH again but if the GH6 is just not there it might be time to sell off my GH5. I might hold off on the glass and hope something, maybe firmware or GH6(II) comes that address the AF. 🔴 BEST VIDEO I HAVE SEEN ON THE GH6 SUBJECT. NICELY DONE PATRICK!

[@gurugamer8632]

For the GH6 can you recommend the best lens that is suitable for event videography if budget is no issue?

[@ryansulak]

I really like what you’re doing here with the filmmaking, what are your go to lenses?

[@impatrickt]

Thanks i dont really have any. Just use the lens that’s right for the shot.

[@ryansulak]

@@impatrickt im about to pull the trigger on either the s5 or gh6, so are there any that you would favor for travel? also, loving the intro animation

[@impatrickt]

@@ryansulak I’m completely over to Sony now. Just being using cheap Rokinon’s.

[@cineffect]

Interesting, I would actually prefer OM-1 in that class. Smaller, lighter, stacked sensor, PDAF, 12 bit 4:4:4 raw out, dual SD card slots, find the dynamic range and colorscience better too.

[@impatrickt]

the color coming out of the OM-1 might be the only modern camera I'd say actually looks pure ass. otherwise it seems like an okay camera.

[@kennethgooswit9194]

What iam missing is a NVME Memory module slot, it gives you the possibility to 16 terrabyte of veryfast relatieve cheap memory

[@impatrickt]

lmao wtf

[@bounomejp6423]

Very well spoken and put together my man 👌🏼. I'm iffy about it and cautiously optimistic as well. I'ma give it 6 months.

[@hoodaffairstv]

do you think the s5 has maxed out when it comes to updates and the gh6 is only getting started to what it be able to add for the price point. i want to get an s5 because of the full frame and price, but want an gh6 because of it's future updates that should keep up to par and match the second generation s series whenever they drop.

[@impatrickt]

gh6 will never be as good as the s5

[@agenericaccount3935]

No comment on the content just yet, but the visual style of this piece was 🔥 📺 💯

[@CalebHoover]

i’m feeling this. for some reason i’m not hitting the pre order button. don’t know what’s holding me back. 😂 i might still do it but i’m conflicted about this gh6

[@MarkBennettCameraCrisis]

Same - I want to get it - but I'm not sure that it makes any sense to want it.

[@fansofER]

I preordered. All my glass is native m43 and it makes more sense for me to stick with m43 for another generation. I’ll keep my GH5 as a b-cam. I personally don’t care so much about AF but I understand why people need/want phase detect AF. It would’ve definitely been cool to have but is not a deal breaker for me because I like manual. The GH cameras with the relatively tiny optically stabilized 12-35/2.8 or 35-100/2.8 are such a joy to carry and shoot handheld for documentary or travel. If I need something faster I have the 10-25/1.7 and other fast primes. My only regret is that this decision by Panasonic to stick with DFD will ultimately threaten the survival of m43

[@ChuckSeayII]

You are bang on man! They kicked the can for way too long on this and people just don't have the time to wait on maybe's! And when they do release a new camera the main issues STILL exist! It sure is funny how EVERY other camera manufacturer can have good autofocus but Panasonic can't seem to pull it off! Sure it keeps getting better but its been a long journey to a system that is still considered half-ass and unexceptable!

[@bluemarblemark]

The comparison to BMPCC is perhaps more accurate than the A7s3 - wedged between them all. I'd like to hear opinions on pic quality vs Black Magic

[@nightdonutstudio]

They need to listen to Canon, Sony or other brand user's need. Listen to real world users. Do surveys. My fellow and I are both Sony users. I had GH2, GH3 and GH5. We were talking about what m43 camera Panasonic come out that will make us both want to buy one. The answer we come out is high speed camera. If GH6 can do 4k 240p and FHD 480p, we are very likely to buy one for slow motion purpose. Listen there is no reason for a sony a7sIII or a7Iv user to jump ship to m43 just because you bump up the resolution and frame rate. Panasonic listen to our feedback. Canon and sony users won't sell their system and buy this GH6. You can only attracting existing m43 users and potential new filmmaker. And I can still see this group people get less and less as time goes. The only way you can gain is by attracting other brand users that still want to buy this camera for some reason. The only reason my friend and I can think of is high speed. m43 can not exceed full frame in high iso and dynamic range, and you can not even have similar auto focus. Your m43 advantage is small sensor so faster process speed. So focus on your strength . If a7sIII can do 4k 120p and fhd 240p 2 years ago. You should be able to do 4k 240p and fhd 480p at 2022. It is reasonable. Your goal is not to have other brand user jump ship but rather willing to buy your camera as a b cam or c cam. I think Panasonic totally missed the opportunity.

[@impatrickt]

High res and high speed. If this thing did 8K and high frame rate. It would dominate the specialty market that needs that for VFX etc.

[@nightdonutstudio]

@@impatrickt Right Panasonic need to go extreme. Either really high resolution 8k or even 12k or just 4k sensor but real high speed. Need to attract other brand users.

[@chrisbrockhurst]

Ive never used a Panasonic so don’t know if that little box is there on all models with AF but it just reminds me of something straight out of TRON.

[@impatrickt]

It’s on all of them

[@mcronfpv8736]

I agree, we have a lot of great cameras these days. But MFT still has a place : The small size and weight of MFT lenses (especialy telephoto) allows me to take more gear when I shoot outdoors sports ( drones, ultrawide to 100-300 lens, ronin, all in my bag for the day of hike... ) and be super efficient. Slow motion's quality (at 120 and 240fps) is important for me too, and without any crop so I can shoot ultrawide if needed. I just hoped for a killer AF on this at 4k120fps 😢 Anyway I bought an S5 last year for the commercial work that needs better IQ, better low light, and doesn't need slo-mo or long focal lenghts. S5 and Gh6 are complementary, For what I do it makes sense to have both... You know what sucks ? inspire 3's camera X9 does not have an L mount !! i can't speed anymore on lenses :D

[@impatrickt]

wait till you feel how big and heavy the GH6 is. whatever benefit MFT had in size is completely gone now IMO. the color and IQ is also much better out of the S5.

[@mcronfpv8736]

​@@impatrickt I shoot a lot with my 35-100 and 100-300 so the benefit in size is here with these long lenses. For the other lenses the difference is minimal. It's super important to have a good grip on the body... but the weight, would've been nice to have it 200g lighter for sure. I'll be honest if I didn't have all these M43 lenses i would not buy it ! But i have a nice set of primes and a nice set of zoom, that I've been working with since 2014 so they are basically paid-off already. Can't wait to have it and test it for myself. Thanks for your videos !

[@impatrickt]

@@mcronfpv8736 yeah I have about 12 MFT lenses but they’ve just become paper weights. Haha.

[@Wristworm]

@@impatrickt seems like I just saw an ad somewhere to sell used camera gear. Sell them. I'm sure there are people that would find value in them.

[@impatrickt]

@@Wristworm I’m good

[@foglebr]

✌🏼 Watched till the end crew! I think I narrowed down that mic combo you had going, new VideoMic GO 2 with white original Wireless GO and a Wireless GO reporter stick. I just couldn’t figure out how the three of them are connected together.

[@impatrickt]

That’s correct! Mic is just plugged into the transmitter.

[@foglebr]

@@impatrickt 😁 Well I got the combo correct, still wondering how you brute forced the three together.

[@resurrectionist1]

Hey Patrick, could you look at the Sigma series of cameras? I'm looking at using one for a documentary that I might consider shooting and need advice on its viability

[@impatrickt]

they don’t interest me. thanks for watching!

[@edwardcrockett]

I want to see a short film where you say what you think about the camera to the camera as if it’s a person while filming yourself with the camera…

[@impatrickt]

that’s hype

[@edwardcrockett]

@@impatrickt ya know like a godfather type vibe

[@sutv6754]

I'm no fanboy of Panasonic but I think you simple don't understand the bigger picture. Many don't. Either way I enjoy your videos.

[@impatrickt]

what bigger picture? the one that makes filmmaking insanely frustrating because panasonic nails that.

[@paulbeckmann]

Fab review! Very balanced and fair IMHO. Thanks!

[@godsakes]

The GH6 makes more sense for people who needs to deliver at 4k and want to record at a higher res to give them some leeway in post. If you deliver 1080p then I don't see much reason to upgrade from a G9/GH5

[@impatrickt]

I’d just rather throw a little 5” 12g on the S5 and get 6K BRAW.

[@OriginaldoBo]

this aspect ratio triggers me and also draws me in.... I'll revisit this tomorrow

[@impatrickt]

It’s like a fart. You don’t want to like it but sometimes it smells kinda good.

[@szain2]

I guess GH6 has better IBIS but with boosted IS mode in S5/S1 can catch up. If IBIS is primary concern, which one of these three do you suggest ?

[@impatrickt]

If IBIS is all you care about then even the GH5 is better than the S5. GH6 is even better.

[@JamieMcEwanOfficial]

Stoked for that 90s photoshoot. That b roll at the beginning of the camera was awesome. I'm going to underpass on this camera.

[@BrendanEvan]

Vlog colors look so nice on this camera. Even under an overpass.

[@impatrickt]

I used the old GH5 GHAlex conversion LUT.

[@BrendanEvan]

@@impatrickt need a VHS conversion lut from ProRes for the next video

[@Brookssmedia]

I was crying laughing with that duck quack on the car seat autofocus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@reluctantjim646]

This camera leaves me on the fence. The GH system has been the best mirrorless system I have used for documentary as it supports my handheld style. And I enjoy manual focusing but we're spoilt with full frame, autofocus and DR performance in the rest of the market. Luckily I get to rent most of the time. But I do want a well performing system that doesn't require me to go all out. Too spoilt we are!

[@reluctantjim646]

Having dedicated timecode is also nice.

[@colinthomas2525]

Does your gh6 have the line streak patern that Gerald undone talks about in his video? I would buy it today if it wasn’t for that.

[@impatrickt]

I haven’t seen it yet but the camera has been quite buggy. A few full lock outs and I had to remove the battery.

[@gamepat9]

I heared somebody explain how panasonic pigeon holed themselfs with their DFD AF and I get it now. They would probably have to introduce a brand new lens lineup that works with a new AF system and throw away all their old glass, also with sigma working on lots of L mount because of their contract. But I think they need to do it. Contrast AF is a dead end, as soon as the light conditions are getting tricky, in falls apart (On my S5). I think they need to bite the bullet and make a clear cut asap

[@ariruishalme4403]

As much as I like Panasonic.. I couldn't agree more that S5 is the camera to go after gh5 .

[@akmalsalikhov3732]

This camera is late to the game for about 2 years :) Totally agree that there's no reason to pick it over S5 (except full size HDMI for Raw)

[@Whatsup_Abroad]

Well this has so many film making features that the s5 doesn't. it's a difference in use case. If you are a film maker, do documentary, shoot for Netflix, etc the gh6 is clearly superior. If your only concern is image quality then the s5 shoots video that isn't as sharp or detailed, but has better dynamic range and lowlight.

[@akmalsalikhov3732]

@@Whatsup_Abroad wouldn’t BMPCC 6K pro be better choice than GH6 for more professional application? Only $200 more in price tag

[@Addrian.]

Great video Patrick. Tell us a bit about the battery life, is it as good as the GH5?

[@impatrickt]

should be similar but it's using a beefier battery now (same one from the S5) which has okay battery life. IBIS really kills the battery.

[@Addrian.]

@@impatrickt thanks bro. Let's see in time. PS, love the vibes.

[@hoani_goivideos5615]

I love the gh6 video codecs and even the body, so much inside but I prefer the colors and autofocus of the Sony A7 IV. I've had quite a few Panasonic cameras...But AF is terrible. I'm not too manual, but why not for manual static shots, if you want a great depth of field in motion, you can forget the Panasonic.

[@EricEsser]

Super well done, spot on with your analysis and take. Same.

[@matthewgriswold]

Will you feel differently if Panasonic gives the GH6 BRAW via usb-ssd? That would enable highlight recovery, giving an additional half stop on top the DR boost… would also fit into a pocket 4k/bgh1 project beautifully

[@impatrickt]

I wouldn’t because if I’m rigging it up I’d rather use the S5 and get all that in FF.

[@matthewgriswold]

@@impatrickt 😂 you’re so right. This camera might be doomed. I predict it starts going on sale everywhere for $1800-2000 around the fall

[@AwesomeKicks]

How cinematic is the colour science in this vs BMPCC4K vs Fuji X-t3 and the A7iv? Kinda leaning towards the a7iv but I want cinematic results with good highlight roll-off. Sony makes me afraid after all the talk about Sony colours. Blackmagic videos seem crazy nice. What's your stance?

[@impatrickt]

Fuji has a pretty clinical digital look. I’d go Sony.