GH6 vs S5 - IBIS Comparison

[@ChainlessTV]

Wow the running shot with the gh6 is impressive. That being said, I just bought an S5, the sales were too good, I got the camera + 2 lenses for the price of the gh6 body.

[@JonackFilm]

Oh yes the Sale was very very good. The 50mm F1.8 is amazing

[@ruhri0411]

What lenses did you get with it? I recently got the S5 with the 20-60 and 50 for €1750.

[@ChainlessTV]

@@ruhri0411 i got the 20-60 and an 85mm prime

[@MichaelSchagen]

I fairly recently got the S5. Even after having watched various GH6 reviews I haven't had any buyers remorse yet.

[@JoshCameron]

You shouldn’t have any buyers remorse with the S5. It’s a brilliant camera and still my favourite 🙌🏼

[@laurorosas27]

S5 such a great cam. Thinking about getting a second S5 actually

[@laurorosas27]

S5 stabilization is still very usable. And this is the first time I see a side by side footage from the S5 and GH6, and let me tell you, I prefer the S5 look.

[@JoshCameron]

I agree buddy, still very usable indeed. I love the S5 look too. I find that I do have a lot more scope when grading too :)

[@lalilland]

Richard Wong has comparison as well. In his test, the difference between the GH6 and S5 is huuuge. I suggest to check that video as well. In my experience even the GH5M2 blows the S5 out of the water. And I'm an S5 owner myself.

[@Naumachia]

I love the stabilization in my S5! It's got that cinematic ’sway’ 😍

[@Dokumentara]

I am also very surprised by this test. I have similar configurations, the S5+24-105mm OIS and the GH5+12-60mm OIS and I always felt that GH5 stabilization was much better for handheld. Not so much for stable situations where S5 internal IBIS is great but for any situation where I had to shoot while walking or moving. I always kept my GH5 as B-cam only because of its great IBIS, furthermore, I just decided to replace my GH5 by GH6 for that precise reason.

[@Dokumentara]

This is Richard Wong IBIS comparison including GH6 versus S5 and much better results on GH6. Unfortunately, he does not mention which lens is used. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zne2c3V4qsygadE

[@chrisfigley]

Yessir, I believe I agree with your assessment and conclusion. A couple years ago I photographed a family wedding using M43 Panasonic gear...I was quite unhappy with the results. Certainly some of that could be attributed to my lack of experience at the time, but the small sensor made it so much harder in my opinion. In the last couple months, I have filmed one wedding and photographed another with a couple of S5's and lenses and everything just looked so good. My wife (who has very little experience with cameras) helped during the reception and even many of her very underexposed shots looked great with minimal work in lightroom. Like you said, the choice really isnt between the IBIS, but other factors. I definitely prefer M43 for my hiking and adventure photography.

[@JoshCameron]

Hey Christopher, glad you agree with me on this. Sensor size does actually have quite a large effect on the actual image rendering in my opinion, and I could immediately tell the different between the GH6 and my S5 when I first got hands on with the crop sensor. The M43 stuff still has its place though, but if we're going for pure image quality then you can't beat a full frame sensor :)

[@CheapCharlieChronicles]

M43 stabilization getting so good it’s close to having a built in gimbal to the camera.

[@JoshCameron]

Soon it’ll be as good as a gimbal I’m sure :)

[@TheKiakiraly]

as a gimbal operator, I feel offended :) and scared

[@Princeton_James]

So happy to see this. I love my S5 and am really considering the GH6 even if it's for stills. No it's not overkill for stills.

[@CodaSessions]

Great content Josh! Your video + other commentaries confirm the power of the GH6 but as an S5 owner, I agree with how well it holds up against this new release, considering it's an entry level Full Frame camera that's almost 2 years old; I can also imagine a lot of people are concerned about the trade-off on sensor size, given the differences in price, but then again i'm still blown away by how good the GH4 units (6 years old!!!) look when I use them for multicam shoots alongside the S5 as a handheld unit. Both the S5 & GH6 excel at image quality & stabilisation and would clearly work well together too! Fingers crossed for a firmware update on the S5 to add some cool features! (I doubt they'll ever add All-Intra compression codecs for 4k despite the UHS-II compatibility - although this keeps my Atomos units busy haha!)

[@JoshCameron]

Thanks for the support and the kind words, truly appreciate it! Yeah it’s crazy how good the Lumix cameras are, even the older ones. The GH5 is still an absolute beast and I love the footage I see from that thing. The S5 will have superior image quality for years to come I think. It would be great to see ALL-I in the S5, but tbh I think my first request would be 4K 120p as that was an amazing feature to use in the GH6!

[@BootStrapTurnerVideography]

Every video I have seen on the GH6 shows that it is an amazing camera. At the same time, not enough of a boost to move off of my LUMIX S5. Especially as I have a WeeBill 2 stabilizer.

[@JoshCameron]

I'm a huge fan of the S5 (as i'm sure everyone knows), so I totally get what you're saying :)

[@arande3]

The fact that people are split about it in the comments, both are good. For my uses S5 is better if I could only pick one

[@lewiskempster9604]

You already had me saving my pennies for an S5… so super grateful you didn’t spend this video pushing the new more expensive camera from biased excitement, Keep keeping it real! 👊

[@JoshCameron]

Hey thanks man haha! Let me know if you'd like to get hands on with the S5 beforehand and we'll arrange something mate :)

[@fansofER]

If you don’t mind the 30 minute 4K recording limit of the S5 it’s a great camera

[@slows728]

I have not the GH6, however I have the old GH5 and the S5. With static shots, they are more or less equal with the IBIS BOOST ON, but the GH5 is far better while walking (less "jump"). So I think the GH6 must be a lot better than the S5 to compensate walking movements.

[@crimulation]

Its obvious since GH cameras are m4/3

[@arispapaspyros]

Thank you Josh for this comparison. Help me a lot. But the look of the S5 .. gosh!

[@MakeWeirdMusic]

Thanks for doing this!

[@JoshCameron]

You're welcome!

[@umpopablebubble]

i think the S5 IBIS feels more natural, i dont mind that it's shakier. the gh6 is smoother but most of the time if im going handheld i like a little shake

[@JoshCameron]

You can always add more weight too, so if the shake is a little much then just weigh down the rig a little more :)

[@HuyBui-no5vu]

Dude when you put it side by the side like this the S5 def shows that "full frame" look to it haha Great video btw mate,both got good IBIS but I'd go with the S5 here,simply for the look alone.Finger crossed for a S5 mark II with enhanced IBIS and better AF

[@JoshCameron]

I definitely noticed the S5's image being nicer to my eyes when I was working with the footage :)

[@austinprice770]

Why does the S5 seem to have more of a cinematic look than the GH6?

[@JoshCameron]

It's the full frame sensor - better highlight roll off and natural subject separation :)

[@TonyReidsma]

On another topic, would you mind doing a video on your keyboard? Been eyeing that for a while.

[@JoshCameron]

Yeah sure! Was planning on doing a desk tour video soon so I could cover it in that one :)

[@sebfleebee]

Keep these comparison videos coming please! Very interesting! I'm very stuck between the GH6 and S5, but I already have GH5 and all of my lenses are native MFT...

[@JoshCameron]

If I were you , i'd go GH6 in your position. Changing systems is both time consuming and a drain on funds!

[@sebfleebee]

@@JoshCameron I'm glad you said that because that's secretly what I would prefer haha!

[@erbartlett]

I’m considering moving from my GH5 to the S1 or S5, would love your perspective. I love my current setup, but the low light performance keeps restricting me. I’d switch immediately if I wasn’t nervous about the less good ibis and the 4K 60 crop.

[@UnknownUnknown-md2cb]

What are you filming on for this video?

[@JoshCameron]

The S5 :)

[@UnknownUnknown-md2cb]

@@JoshCameron Thanks Josh😊

[@rodmehta5356]

Interesting, thanks. I would always regard MFT and FF as two different tools for different purposes.

[@JoshCameron]

Me too :) It's just something people wanted to see, so therefore I thought i'd do a quick test while I had both in my hands :)

[@michaeldimitriu]

thanks josh for making this test! for me it would actually be even more interesting what the stabilization is like with a prime 35 oder 50mm lens without IS in the lens, i thinks that's more important since lens IS with any kind of IBIS is very good these days, even with Sony.

[@JoshCameron]

Yeah dude definitely, wish I could have made that test too but the lenses I had for the M4/3 were very limited!

[@reflexfilms]

I had the gh1 all the way through the gh5s - and have had the S5 since it came out. When i go back through all my footage over the years the shots that resonate were the fast lens shots on the gh series - especially the Voigtalnder 25 f.095. and the Panny 42.5 f1.7 They just resonate. And this look is close to what the S5 at f2.8 and f4.0 looks like I have huge regret that so many of my GH shots from the years look totally boring (ie when i didn't shoot with fast glass) - although to be hinest those shots were functional for things like building site shots and wide angle architecture. But for anything with people in it f2.8 and above in M43 just doesn't cut it. For sure the GH series (and especially the GH6) are crazy full featured cameras - but when it comes to having an image that sings - the S5 sensor with the good Pro glass (not so much the 20-60 and 25-105 kit lenses though which get you back to a more GH m43 look) is just too gorgeous - the Gh series images just look boring in comparison. A valid option is GH6 with ONLY fast glass (f 1.7 and faster for anything under 35mm ) -

[@JoshCameron]

I really agree with you here. The S5 paired with a decent prime is just sooo nice and the image it creates is incredible. Unfortunately I didn’t have any super fast lenses to use with the GH6 when I tested it out, but I’m sure I would have enjoyed the image a lot more if I did have something faster!

[@LucaBono.Studio]

Nice comparison! Thanks for sharing!

[@chloescanlon1107]

Hi, it’s not an IBIS comparison is it. Would it not have been better to test the IBIS in both cameras? In all tests you had the lens stabilisation on. So as a Consequence we still really don’t know how comparable they are or which is better.

[@JoshCameron]

Hey Chloe, good to hear from you! I understand totally what you're saying, this test definitely doesn't show the IBIS as a standalone thing and is more so about how the IBIS works with Lens IS too. Of course, if someone is really wanting to utilise handheld video to its full potential, then chances are they would favour a lens with I.S since it makes more of a difference than anything else in my opinion. I wish I could have done a test without lens IS as well, but the lenses I had available to me and that would have been a fair comparison between the two were both lenses that had IS, and unfortunately you can't switch on the IBIS and have the Lens IS off; as soon as you switch off lens IS, it disables the IBIS too... Sorry about this!

[@gowithgoldstraw]

Thanks Josh, another good video. I'm currently straddled between two systems, with an S5 and a G9, and currently unsure which way to leap for the future. One thing that becomes obvious is that the difference in lens sizes and weight becomes quickly more apparent as soon as you go beyond short telephoto in FF. I recently added the 70-300mm (too heavily discounted to pass) but actually now question how much I'm going to use that lens, as I don't do wildlife for example. That said, I do prefer the look of the S5, and also appreciate how I can switch between photo and video modes and retain last settings on both, whereas the G9 just remembers your last adjustment. Have they fixed that on the GH6?

[@ThePistonPit]

Josh, I plan on filming cars that are stationary. The interior and exterior with slow mo, with some wide shots and close ups of details. What camera and lens would you recommend?

[@JoshCameron]

The GH6 with the 12-35 would be a good shout! 4K 120p and great stabilisation :)

[@ThePistonPit]

@@JoshCameron thanks for your response. What about the S5? Would that do? What are your thoughts?

[@gamingwithstand6886]

There is one other way to make the footage more stable. There was a device made that had a gyroscope that would sit on your hot shoe and you would then plug in an audio jack and use this companies software. Its the same thing the Sony A7Siii is going but its built into the camera. I don't remember the name of the device.

[@JoshCameron]

This sounds awesome! If you find out the name of that device i'd love to know :)

[@HuyBui-no5vu]

@@JoshCameron It's called the SteadXP and yeah iirc Tyler Stalman(great guy btw) got a video on it But imo it's not there yet like the process alone is rather frustrating at least imo,so yeah nothing beats a good IBIS + lens IS combo.

[@gamingwithstand6886]

@@JoshCameron I'll see if I can find it. I think I saw it years ago on Philip Bloom's website years ago might have been back in the GH2 or GH3 or GH4 days. I think BH Photo was selling the device and the company that made it I think makes filmmaking gear and they are a European company. I do remember them doing a Kick Starter for the device.

[@Yagan-chuganshik]

There is only one lens with 24-105 stabilization on the L system, but there are many on the mikro 4/3.

[@robinert8858]

Great vid thank you. Lol very curious how far stabilisation in post could push it.

[@JoshCameron]

I’m sure with some finessing in FCPX it could be manipulated to “near perfect” 👍🏼

[@vladislavihl]

I like the sky colors / dynamic range of S5 better!

[@JoshCameron]

Me too :)

[@EatInTaiwan]

Hi, a quick question. On the S5 are stills/video settings separated or they carry over from one mode to another?

[@JoshCameron]

They're separated, so you can set up each one as independent things. I have my photo set to C1 and video to C2 :)

[@avishmayovitsh5038]

thanks man! what would you buy between the two? i dont know what to pick...

[@JoshCameron]

My choice would be the S5 still :) It produces a nicer image in my opinion :)

[@avarmadillo]

I think the GH6 is better in stabilization than the S5. Both are amazing, and world's better than Fuji or Sony, and also clearly better than Canon. In my view when you're shooting hand held stabilization is more important than autofocus. One can, with practice, learn to perform excellent manual focus, and have the control with it that cannot be achieve by any AF systems. But this is not true with IBIS. No amount of practice can fix it when it's poor. And this, more than even the color, is Sony's achilles heel. Why? Because they did not have the foresight to abandon the E mount system, which is too small. Everyone else has made the switch to a larger diameter mounting system. Big problem for sony.

[@db6572]

I agree. I had the A7SIII and working with the internal stabilization "Active Mode" and Catalyst was disastrous.

[@Zimvg]

Using 24p with the Gh6 I've noticed some warping. I'm using the 12-60 2.8-4 lens. Have you noticed this

[@mahakaal9977]

What focal lengths u used in the two cameras?

[@markshirley01]

The reason I like the GH6 is the 10-25 f1.7 there is no full frame lens like it. If the GH6 had considerably better AF than the S5 it may have been a option.

[@AnDiMsOfLy]

Lol that's a 20-50 3.4 lol the s5 has the 20-60 3.5 and it's full frame

[@Naumachia]

@@AnDiMsOfLy I think that Mark isn't refering to the depth of field but rather the amount of light it let's in. Remember that the aperture is only doubled in the depth of field-ness on MFT, not with the amount of light it lets in. It's like the Sigma 18-35, there's no FF lens like it. I agree with you Mark. The 10-25 is a truly remarkable lens in many ways!

[@markshirley01]

@@Naumachia I thought the Fstop is doubled as well. I see people doing that equation all the time.

[@markshirley01]

@@AnDiMsOfLy it starts at F3.5 but doesn't stay there.

[@AnDiMsOfLy]

@@markshirley01 I use it at 3.5 95% off the time 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@skepsys]

blues in the sky look better on s5. was it the same profile? did you overexpose the sky on gh6?

[@JoshCameron]

Both were shot in V-Log with ND’s on. On the waveform it seemed like I exposed correctly on both, but maybe the sky was a little blown on the GH6!

[@JoshCameron]

Both were shot in V-Log with ND’s on. On the waveform it seemed like I exposed correctly on both, but maybe the sky was a little blown on the GH6!

[@siku18253]

I actually find the S5 stabilization looks more natural at times.

[@kineticdanceacademylacey7541]

Good comparison man, I see kind of a "subspace warp" stabilization (aka AFX warp stabilizer) effect on the GH6, not sure if it's my perception only, but I see it very faint, and I know it's not the actual focus of this video, but the image "texture" or quality from the S5 to me wins hands down, it comes across "softer" or more like what you would get from a blackmagic (I know it could be different settings on the GH6, lens etc) , very good comparison

[@JoshCameron]

Yeah I see what you mean about the slight warp... Of course, IBIS tests are really hard to show consistency with because it's all down to how you walk and hold the camera at any given time etc. I 100% agree with you regarding the S5's colours and look. I shot in V-Log on both and had them exposed the same way :)

[@MrTifoso31]

I must say you‘re already pretty stable without any I.S. Like built-in I.S. in your body 😂

[@JoshCameron]

😂😂😂 it took a little bit of practice 🤪

[@richardgorski23]

GH6 wins. S5 really good.

[@magnusgotander3954]

S5 is by far more organic. Smoother.

[@SMGJohn]

Poor test, no testing of panning which is what majority of IBIS systems struggle with quite a lot which means Gimbals are still in demand.

[@Aviciiz]

compare DR!

[@jensbusse]

Plz show longer the stablalitizion instead of yourself!

[@JoshCameron]

Sorry, I just love the spotlight too much ;)

[@elementary8963]

First! :)

[@elementary8963]

Great video!

[@JoshCameron]

@@elementary8963 Haha thank you! You got here quick! :D

[@TopshelfJunior]

Man, that S5 stabilization is the sole reason why I can't buy that camera.. Not cool ! lol.