Do or Don't: Imperial Guard

[@ryanrusch3976]

I can only hope one Guardsmen said, "Power Armor is for pussies," before being ripped in half by an Ork.

[@Hawbitten]

Considering Duke Nukem said that, he's probably doing the ripping in half.

[@spottedslash4256]

Catachan would like a word. 😏

[@brok56]

@@spottedslash4256 They are simply a bunch of Duke nukes. The whole planets Population

[@Blade40688]

Getting molested by Lucius the Eternal would be a far better fate than being reminded of DNF and Randy Pitchford's grease

[@CoolSmoovie]

Power armor? Cringe. Power fist? I’ll allow it.

[@justintaylor3044]

Remember that time a greater demon materialised and was instantly banished by like 1000 tanks?

[@bencurran3204]

What do you mean? There never was a demon ;)

[@npswm1314]

An according to Creed there was no 100 Baneblades either.

[@fcomolineiro7596]

You mean the standardized artillery test? Yeah that happen

[@pancreasnowork9939]

“Nice axe, dumbass, meet Mr. 180mm Cannon and his 999 friends.”

[@legiohysterius4624]

@@pancreasnowork9939 have you seen all guardsmen party? Great stuff right up your alley.

[@bartonfarm4627]

"The guard suffer losses like my pancreas suffers beta cell losses" As a diabetic myself, that was a big ooft

[@Vanq22114]

"Every soldier in the imperial guard is issued four things: A lasgun, flak armor, a copy of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, and a Munitorum issue wheelbarrow for their titanic balls of steel" -Adeptus Ridiculous

[@reallyfreakingoodvideogame468]

Heh

[@Dredgenvore]

Vanq, tf you doin here?

[@Dracobyte]

Nice!

[@MegaAugustify]

I feel like I know you from somewhere

[@oceanstar70]

"Cause tanks are awesome!" Karl Franz would be so proud to hear about the Imperial Guard

[@Dreamkeeper762]

Summon the Elector Counts!

[@akumaking1]

Ogres my lord

[@EMan-1920]

Saltzpyre would definitely drive a Baneblade if he were in 40K.

[@sadturtlesoup8832]

General Patton would like to know their location. Cause he brought fuel. And more tanks.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Faith, Steel and Gunpowder!

[@lucastark1784]

Meme lore smoothbrains: Hurr durr, the IG just drown the enemy in bodies. Lore scholars: The IG are generally doing their best to minimize casualties. But at the end of the day, a 50% casualty rate against literal demons is pretty damn good.

[@Macharius89]

50%? against demons? pretty good? Fuck that´s awesome (until the Grey Knigths arrives)

[@Gloriandvictory]

@@Macharius89 when the grey knights arrive the inquistion is gonna make damn sure its an 100 percent casulty rate.

[@blecao]

Remember that after the invasion of rusia by Napoleon of every 12 soldiers only 2 come back

[@capthavic]

Yeah that annoys me when people assume the IG don't use any tactics, when it's just the sheer scale and power of what they are up against means heavy casualties are inevitable.

[@Darqshadow]

@@capthavic but as Ling as those casualties aren't over 75% the unit is still fine. Hell 25% is probably expected for most fights

[@heightnoworkchris8093]

"Da Sergeant Major asked me what my job was an' I said it was to, uh, do what I was told. He said I was a genius and gave me another medal. I likes da Imperial Guard!"- Nork Deddog Great content as always

[@manuvirajkhare]

Is that a Forrest Gump reference?

[@Hurmeri]

@@manuvirajkhare It does sound awfully familiar

[@primalreversion7034]

@@manuvirajkhare It's a quote from the 8e codex I think

[@JerryMetal]

"WHAT is your sole purpose in this Army private Gump!?" "To do whatever you tell me to, sergeant!" "GODDAMMIT Gump, that is an outstanding answer! You might be a goddamn genius with an IQ of 120!"

[@manuvirajkhare]

@@JerryMetal Mark my words! You will be a GENERAL ONE DAY!

[@dividewalker5673]

"When played well, you can bring the full force of Germany in the first half of World War Two to the table. When played poorly, you can bring the full force _rout_ of Germany in the second half of World Wat Two to the table."

[@dividewalker5673]

Two months on and I only now realise that I mistyped it as "World Wat Two" the second time. I find this to be entirely accurate from that kind of perspective. _"Hey we're doing pretty well why the fuck is that T-34 column actually advancing on us?"_

[@oz_jones]

Or Italy in any period of the second World War.

[@thatonejoey1847]

@@oz_jones HEY. don't disrespect my pasta boys, they had the last great cavalry charge in history without getting gunned down by machine guns and they were the first European country to fully recover from the war and they never got blamed for any atrocities or warcrimes because germany took all the blame like the idiots while the remaining axis got scot free

[@sovietunion6598]

@@thatonejoey1847 the Italians only recovered first because they didn’t fight as hard as anyone else in the axis they really were quite a joke in terms of their combat performance plus they used chemical weapons on people fighting them with sticks and stones in Ethiopia

[@lastecho3130]

@@sovietunion6598 that's kinda all false. Italian East Africa resisted for multiple months despite being cutoff, and entered guerilla warfare afterwards. The italian expedition was one of the fastest advancing during barbarossa. It also held the line when both the Romanians and Hungarians lines collapsed, before suffering insane casualties in a human wave attack that broke through when encircled. They were also the majority of 'famed' General Rommel forces, holding his flanks while he went on his joy ride (and ignoring alot of what they said). Also note that they were the last to surrender in North Africa. Also the threat the Regina Marina was to the British Royal Navy. Not to mention the civil war that happened when Italy "switched sides", or how hard a fight it was for the Allies in the Italian Campaign. Not bad for a country that was not ready for a war, and knew it (but Pact of Steel obligations, Mussolini, and all that) The Ethiopian army is also often underestimated (the Italians learned this during the first attempt); it had access to AA guns (around 100 I think it was? Not enough to cover the whole country) and artillery. They also had way more firearms then anyone mentions (although most were outdated. Should also be noted a number of more modern weapons were, ironically, supplied to them by the Germans), and was fairly numerous. Its actual problem was they barely had any properly trained. The poison gas is also overstated to be why Italy won. It, at most, accelerated their victory. The "Devil Commander" (Amedeo Guillet) noted in his diary its use, and that it wasn't all that effective since the Ethiopians were mobile and avoided making static positions (it was used to horrific effect on civilian targets, though).

[@scottdodge6979]

retconned or not, the guardsman holding the line alone between Horus and Emps is still the most badass moment in lore

[@stefschouwenaars9562]

I still love the tts interpreration where the guardsman was the first to do it and the retcon versions (the space marine and custodes) copied him to make their faction look good

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@stefschouwenaars9562 Because Emperor forbid the little guy gets something badass for once.

[@dlee9726]

Ollanius Pious is his name!

[@letendreelliott8778]

@@airplanemaniacgaming7877more like why would a loyalist Imperial soldier be on the Vengeful Spirit? Did he teleport with the Emperor? Doubt it.

[@SansSentiments]

Ollanius is A: A Perpetual B: An aquaintance of John Grammaticus That opens some possibilities to the how and why. @@letendreelliott8778

[@andreykuzmin4355]

"There are alien horrors bangin' at our door. Let's go kill them!" - Imperial Guard, most definately.

[@rhorybader4054]

"We're outnumbered, outgunned, and surrounded. Perfect. They can't get away from us now." - your average Guard commander.

[@oliverdacheeto9009]

"Hundreds dead.. thousands wounded.. Ah... another victory!"-Your average based Commissar

[@wolfwarlordjake8992]

Like the GoT reference

[@andreykuzmin4355]

@@wolfwarlordjake8992 fellow man of culture

[@oz_jones]

@@rhorybader4054 [happy gas mask noises]

[@GhostOfAces]

I love to think about the Imperial Guard on some almost abandoned planet, bored. Then all of a sudden the entire Death Guard's fleet shows up and virus bombs the planet and leaves. Forcing the guards to have to fight through the now ensuing zombie apocalypse.

[@xenon3990]

I’ll take that idea, and make a fucking OnlyWar Campaign out of it

[@ovahlord1451]

Damn they gotta fight demons, orkz and giant bug aliens now they gotta fight zombies too oof

[@omoroburns2172]

The death guard wouldn't just leave I'm not paying my tallymen to do nothing

[@xenon3990]

@@omoroburns2172 exactly. Would be a fun engagement rping it out

[@omoroburns2172]

@@xenon3990 a lower level tallyman forced by his buddies to take a horde of 100+ poxwalkers to a base full of ill equipped but still dangerous guardsmen.

[@justhere9731]

The funny thing about Cadia is that everyone forgets space marines, the inquisition, and even the eldar (unless the eldar got retconned out) were there during the black crusade. No one remembers those guys because they all ran away beforehand, leaving the guard to STAND WHILE THE PLANET SHATTERED ASUNDER BELOW THEM!

[@federationsoldier6833]

Hate to commment after 1 year, wasnt trazyn there too?

[@TheSh00ty]

​@@federationsoldier6833yeah, it was there too

[@cooperbennett2654]

Ya he was there and stayed till nearly the end so he could steal Creed

[@SagaciousNihilist]

You say that like the Guard staying on a collapsing world they already lost, was nothing short of stupidity and a great loss of Cadian manpower.

[@cookiecraze1310]

​@@federationsoldier6833Trazyn was bored of just preserving history and so decided to try and make some instead. Sadly all he got out of it was an Imperial legion for a diorama.

[@randombencounter263]

The biggest draw of the guard for me is how extremely proxy-friendly they are. I've seen people use 13€ WW2 tank model kits to stand in for 30€ Baneblades. I've seen Napoleonic Wars Prussian cavalry stand in as Vostroyans. I've seen Flames of War Yugoslavian partisans stand in as penal legion, I've seen Fallout Wastelands NCR rangers stand in as Scions. I've personally used Necromunda gangers in a Veteran Guardsmen list for Kill Team to represent the Savlar Chem-Dogs (criminally underrated regiment btw) Just get whatever models you have. If you can hold a gun, you're in the guard now.

[@Codex_0613]

just consider them as a backward planet's militia forces that recently got whipped in line by the Imperium and all they got are mismatched weapons and whatever the mechanicus deem crappy enough to throwaway as long as they can hold the line for more than an hour, they're worth something at least

[@monkeybuizznes1]

That’s why I play them, I cobbled the force for a wasteland theme mixed with Cultists, Genestealer Neophytes, Catachan, 3rd party, Cadian, Scion, Necromunda. The army is a hobbyists dream. But it does hurt to watch the squad I spent a whole weekend painting and putting together die in 5 seconds.

[@shovel662]

That’s a plus in my book

[@NMvapa]

I mean that's a plus, especially since I have grown more and more disenfranchised with GW after 8th edition came out. But I mean I'd play with anybody that has good looking 3d prints as well. The whole 3rd party ban is reasonable if you're gonna play at a shop, but honestly now that we have the technology you might just save enough money from 3d printing and 3rd party models to also get your own table, terrain and space. Especially if u want to go into anything but Cadians. They are cool, especially in the lore, but aren't even in my top 3 aesthetically

[@Codex_0613]

@mr oko that's what i said

[@SenLouie]

It does always warm my heart when the Space Marines are actually nice to the guardsmen and understand the hard work they do.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

The most heartwarming moment in 40K: Salamanders come to support beleaguered Guardsmen, PDF, and local order Sororitas.

[@dlee9726]

My favorite bit was the Space Wolves helping to evac some guardsmen from Cadia, and then making the Aquila with their hands to show respect to the Cadians. The Grey Knights demanded the Cadians from the spacewolves to exterminate and the spacewolves for lack of better words said "bitch suck our nuts, you got to get through us first"

[@m.k.738]

I believe it was in Warriors of Ultramar, Ventris visits a guardsman or a PDF guy in the hospital and gives him an Oath of Moment paper after the battle with the Tyranids. Favorite part of the book. The Black Templars can fuck right off after insulting the Salamanders once they had saved them and were then going to go save the civilians which was the wrong thing to do according to the Templars. That was in Helsreach.

[@Talashaoriginal]

@@dlee9726 I thought from Armageddon?

[@claypidgeon4807]

"Your foe is well equipped, well-trained, battle-hardened. He believes his gods are on his side. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours." - Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, Krieg 14th Armoured Regiment

[@Xenometer117]

Love Krieg Guardsmen

[@joestevenson5568]

As if Kriegsmen need a motivational speech lol

[@OddHunter5504]

i swear that first bit was from Eisenhower's D-day speech

[@the1upist]

Thank you gamer, you've warmed an old man's heart

[@Znae629]

Truly a wholesome comment. Hope you’re doing well sir.

[@the1upist]

@@Znae629 I am, thank you

[@robertsullivan4172]

Thanks for defending the guard. I chose them for the exact lore reasons you said. They seemed the most relatable and normal military rise. Even other factions that use "guerrilla" tactics like Eldar and so on never felt very grounded like you said because of how powerful their individual weapons and units are. I still have a few guard figures I bought second-hand. (Then the price of the miniatures ground that plan to a halt).

[@lunaticscribbles6016]

Understandable. I totally get the power fantasy element as its why I like chaos so much but thats exactly why I prefer fantasy to 40k or AOS. Most human factions in the game are against most odds

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

use some wargames atlantic figures for infantry and some historical kits for tanks!, wga is very cheap at around 1$ per model with a lot of spare options

[@squirt2384]

I got a imperial guard army It's pretty big and topped off with a baneblade

[@Gloriandvictory]

@@squirt2384 "It is a baneblade!" -i forgot which spacemarine said that.

[@TheBruceKnie]

@@Gloriandvictory captain diomedes of the blood ravens in dawn of war 2 retribution

[@helix.01]

If you want to play guard just get a 3D printer. You can easily find Krieg, Vostroyans, or just generic solider models that can be proxy'd as you own custom regiment. Considering the printer itself is less than most Krieg Forgeworld bundles it's definitely worth it.

[@timothywillox8564]

You don’t need to necessarily get into 3D printing. Plenty of sites sell very good looking guard proxies.

[@leviroch]

It's mind shattering to think that an entire piece of incredibly complicated machinery like a 3D printer costs less than the shit it makes. . . Like I'm pretty sure GW has got to be fucking up via consumer laws lpl

[@nicomurder]

@@timothywillox8564 got any suggestions?

[@Brigtzen]

@@timothywillox8564 Do you know some good ones?

[@DaytonaRoadster]

@@timothywillox8564 if you need infantry, a 3D printer is still the way to go, you can print hundreds of troops for a $50 dollar bottle of resin

[@GumshoeClassic]

I really wish we got a Ciaphas Cain model. He's my favourite character in the entire setting, I mean how can you not love the unluckiest/luckiest James Bond with impostor syndrome.

[@redenginner]

Ngl I’m surprised GW never made tie in models for Space Marine so we could get a Lt Mira and Capt. Titus mini for Guard and Marines.

[@liamboyle7749]

There was at some point but I think it was a limited edition run

[@GumshoeClassic]

@mr oko Exactly. And most importantly, he is his own harshest critic. He denies almost all of his achievements.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Needs a Jurgen model too.

[@jonathanathor117]

Once that model gets put down everyone becomes invincible. Hopefully he wouldn't be too expensive.

[@Ilithandie89]

I once looked at an enemy on the table top and after deploying, extended my hand. My opponent was confused. I explained that I had more than double the bodies than he had shots in the entire game.

[@finnaustin4002]

Leadership teats would like to know your location

[@Ilithandie89]

@@finnaustin4002 umm no I'm not going to randomly give out my location to a random stranger.

[@primalreversion7034]

@@Ilithandie89 It's a joke - "[Company/Group/Person] wants to know your location" is a commonly used meme

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

That's a big Custodes oof moment right there.

[@steelbear2063]

I don't get it. Like OK, and? Are you gonna land you every shot? Is melee not a thing? Stratagems, psykers?

[@AiS366]

Guardsman is what make Imperium of Man so fascinating in WH40k. If it would be just space marine i wouldn't care that much. Mere mortals arm in lasegun and faith in the Emperor, standing against all the horrors of galaxy it's what really awesome in 40k

[@maciek.u]

As for me the best fact about the Imperial Guard is the planet made of Imperial Guard soldiers. Billions of soldiers marching around the sun their combined mass created the planet in Chapter Master. And then had a little infestation of Orks

[@ethanpike428]

It's something like sextupletillion

[@commissarvigil4806]

There is Always SOME orks

[@kazak8926]

It's not orbiting around the sun, it's marching on patrol.

[@Nyxsayeth]

I appreciate someone acknowledging actual Soviet tactics weren't just mass human waves

[@Not_actually_a_commie]

If you say "Soviet human wave" three times into a mirror at midnight, Konstantin Rokossovsky will appear behind you and kneecap you

[@beefyblom]

@@Not_actually_a_commie and if you say it a fourth time, Zhukov himself will snap you in half like a twig

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Fun fact: there was at least one recorded attempt at that during WW2. Now obviously one in a 4 year fight that consumed tens of millions of lives should be taken for the exceptionally rare event that it was but still a fun(?) titbit.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

The Soviets actually suffered massive manpower shortages at points in ww2, they couldnt afford to just throw men at the problem. Yes they had penal units which ran across the minefields and soaked up all the enemy ammo but most of the stories come from German military officers hunting for coldwar positions and making excuses for why the Soviets defeated them and why it wouldnt happen this time if Stalin decided he wanted to holiday on the banks of the Rhine.

[@thatonejoey1847]

@@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL and we must all remember, the t34 is a piece of shit, the katyusha is the greatest soviet weapon (and a good song to boot) and that Georgy Zhukov is the only gigachad in the soviet Union everyone else is a virgin, normie or just a chad

[@apollyonsilver]

"You're never NOT in basilisk range." My favorite line

[@taxevasiongaming]

Its the last thing you'll never see

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

As a gaurd player if your collecting (and I've said this in different comment sections but I think people who want to collect gaurd should learn this) the brood brothers boxset is perfect It has a sqaud of guardsman, and one heavy weapon for a good price compared to the basic guard sqaud. Also the basalisk used to have unlimited range.

[@kojinko]

Tell me more. I imagine you need to kitbash. As a spectators now a newbie enthusiast, I am interested in learning more. The brood brothers set is more affordable.

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

@@kojinko nope its the same sprue just with a tiny sprue of genestealer heads added

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

and some of them could be guardsman (I also think one of them really looks like Tactcher from R6 seige)

[@kojinko]

@@Aconspiracyofravens1 ok I see. I saw some more kitbash and saw some other cult stuff used on chem dogs. Thanks for the reply brother!

[@kojinko]

@@aconcernedcommissar6261 tha k you also for the idea, brother!

[@malcho1234]

3:11 "Keep in mind this guy's entire job is to deal with Daemons from Hell on a regular basis and fought against Space Marines in the thrall of one of the Chaos Gods." I honestly thought you were talking about the Kasrkin and not the Inquisitor there.

[@tdvwest9514]

Considering that Cadia was next to the eye of terror, he might as well have been.

[@malcho1234]

@@tdvwest9514 That's why I thought he was talking about the Guardsman. XD

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

11:00 Speak for yourself, I field an army of Terrax Guard. More specifically I field a gaggle of PDF conscripts, random genestealers, and hive gangers backed up by Terrax Guard.

[@randombencounter263]

Man now I wanna kitbash a whole guard regiment infiltrated by genestealers. Wrinkly neophyte heads on the normal infantrymen, Keelermorphs as commissars, aberants as ogryns.

[@Rynewulf]

Oh that's cool af

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Now that’s a rare fuckin army

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

wait genestealers?

[@jefferyjoyner6032]

@@Aconspiracyofravens1 Gene stealer cult probably

[@robfromjersey7899]

"Astra Miliwhat? You're in the guard son."

[@mariluzgallardo24]

That last segment where shows how much guard armies cost opened my eyes to how ridiculous GW pricing is

[@adamafzall4618]

3d printer

[@Powerlesscheese]

"you held this position for a week? by yourselves?!" "yes my lord!"

[@vincentcrow6075]

"They'll take anyone" Well, ACTUALLY, planet governor have to send decent soldiers for the imperial tithe, or he'll face some problems. So average joes is more likely be in PDF, while guardsmen usually are among best soldiers their planets have to offer.

[@physical_insanity]

Isn't it just better than average performers? The Guard are decent, but they're far from elite. Most of the stories I've read them in where they aren't getting shit on by the blender of the week they're facing doesn't strike me as being the best their PDF can offer, more like just better than average. There's a lot of variance when it comes to PDF's, and the Guard is still a generalist force with relative tame training compared to actual elite units, so being the best of a PDF doesn't mean a whole lot.

[@MasterGhostf]

@@physical_insanity Yea. Don't the elite go to the inqusition and other elite units.

[@physical_insanity]

@@MasterGhostf Yes, but not strictly. Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are trained in-house and drawn from civilian sources separate from the Guard, which is the same for regular Stormtroopers. Most of the time, top performers in a Regiment will be assigned to the Regiment's special forces, which are roughly equivalent to Stormtroopers in skill and ability give or take a few levels.

[@catman-hi5cn]

“See that coordinate group?” “Yes sir” “I don’t want to”

[@thechief11oo]

Literally just bought a bunch of IG for my first real army an hour before this dropped. I don’t even know if you recommend it yet. I’m praying for my wallets sake you recommend them.

[@shuwan4games]

I mean the only downside is the old ass infantry sculpts

[@jessehooper7235]

Kinda based ngl

[@poisonsteak5746]

If you play competitive then don't. They can have a good match up but only win 30% of their games. They are a fun army though, Hades breaching drills will laugh at fortifications

[@Stuffandstuff974]

Guard are the best army.

[@trentthehehim3936]

“ And he has held the line for ten THOUSAND years. So what’s your excuse MONSTER?!?”

[@pizzapicante27]

One of my favorite concepts of the settings are the Gue'vesa, guys who just went: "Freedom of belief, decent to great living conditions, not being hunted by an inquisitor for praying to my gun the wrong way, and all I have to do is shout 'For the Greater Good' from time to time? yeah, sure, sign me up". Whatever silly edgy stuff they've been putting on the T'au to pacify neckbeards, the Gue'vesa keep being a really interesting concept that I wish they'd revisit from time to time along the other auxilia of the T'au.

[@navilluscire2567]

Would be nice to FINALLY get some named badass gue'vesa characters, maybe in the form of a short novel series including books that go into detail about the gue'vesa and what do they think about serving beings they were told since birth to hate with extreme prejudice, atleast for newly anointed gue'vesa. It would also be interesting to see the perspectives of generational gue'vesa that is to say the humans who have grown up knowing nothing but the tau's rule and taught the philosophy of the Greater Good, descended of some of the earliest human colonies that were incorporated into the tau empire, its been atleast a few centuries since those early annexations so there must be quite a few of them.

[@ee-ef8qr]

Maybe we could see them interact with the guard when the Tau and imperium have to fight together.

[@pizzapicante27]

@@ee-ef8qr oh that would make for a cool story I bet, especially at this moment that Guilliman is not all that into heresy and the he is from the eastern fringe that would make for really good Realpolitik in the story

[@physical_insanity]

After a certain point, the sheer grim derpness of 40k just becomes incredibly stale. It's the more nuanced takes like that that reinvigorated my interested in the franchise.

[@Sorain1]

At some point, the Tau are going to trust some Gue'vesa enough to consider putting them into specially designed battlesuits. I guarantee that even if they didn't intend it, some of those pilots will turn out to be psykers. I'm sure people can get where I am smugly 'hint hint' going with this, and the thought of it has tickled my fancy for years now. Because goddamn it it would be so on the nose but no one could say it doesn't make sense.

[@yahnmahn9035]

Guys, I'm an empath, I think PancreasNoWork is really salty about being diabetic. I won't sugarcoat it.

[@mustardjar3216]

Sugarcoat Heh

[@VojislavMoranic]

I remember a book by Dan abbnet or Graham mcneil. Where the Iron warriors attack a planet where the Mechanicus is poisoning the Guardsmen so they "Rotate" regiments and dont learn to much of what they are doing there. Anyway what stays in my memory is when a Iron Warrior is chasing a Guardsman and mocks him all the while, but the Guardsman climbs a auxilary ladder that the Marine is squeezing to get into and he laughs at him and kills him with grenade while the thousand year old psychopath is stuck on the ladder tunel.

[@AncientIrishCelt]

Storm of Iron is the book you're talking about. F**kin love Guardsman Hawke.

[@nunjabeeswaxs4686]

I am invincible!!!! *Krak grenade goes bonk*

[@federationsoldier6833]

"Lets test that theory!" -guardsman squad seconds before lobbing grenades at some random space maine who insulted them@@nunjabeeswaxs4686

[@dorediskin9365]

The imperial guardsmen are considered to be elite by human standards. They're trained in the PDF and than paid as tribute to the Imperium. The thing is that if a guardsmen regiment fucks up or worse, outright betrays, and does something horrendous it's often the planet they come from that needs to explain themselves. The PDF are the first line of defense, the imperial guard are the 2nd. They're just the elite that the average joe can realistically reach. And taking into account the technology to help them maintain the prowess in battle they're far stronger than any modern military we know of. Even if they were to be scaled to the same size of our plater military force combined, they'd likely curb stomp us.

[@dragonace119]

For real, in our world just the Lasgun alone would absolutely demolish our asses not to even mention their body armor is strong enough to take .50 rounds. Thats not even counting their armored vehicles and artillery and other infantry weapons.

[@dinoblacklane1640]

When you think about it, the guard is like having an entire army of SAS guys

[@dorediskin9365]

​@@dinoblacklane1640 Thought you are right that the imperial guards are made of only special forces from PDF's, I doubt we can compare that to a singular special force unit. The guards major advantage over the rest of the imperium forces (space marines, ecliserarchy, and skiitari) is their versatility.

[@dorediskin9365]

@@dinoblacklane1640 I'm not British thought, so may I ask 'em tea lovers. Am I wrong about this?

[@rollutherhodie3076]

@@dorediskin9365 I mean,the whole starting guy kinda is. Only because they're the best from the pdf,doesn't actually mean they're above average in any way. Remember,PDF forces are conscript,conscripts which a lot of the time _don't_ tend to like serving arbitrarily,especially if their world is calm and in the middle of nowhere,and the Guard tends to be mainly composed of people who actually like what they're doing and tend to be confident and ready to improve at it. Instead of being what the SAS is to the Army,they're more what the Army tended to be compared to (old) territorials. And again,you are correct in what you said about them,mostly. The SAS is a hardy force of reliable light infantry,but no matter how well trained or resilient,_they're still light infantry_. They're good at getting behind enemy formations in a Chinook and wrecking supply lines,killing officers,and excel in counterterrorism operations,where they don't need heavy firepower. But if they get put into a battlefield against your average frontline unit,they get fucked. The guard instead is probably just as hardy,but less trained,while at the same time being a generalist force. They lack the ability to do those same surgical strikes,that being a stormtrooper's job,but can actually be put onto a battlefield on their own. They have organic tanks,artillery,air support,planetary naval units,CAS,recon,logistics trains,medical units,transport units,and so on,something that elite units tend to lack.

[@absolutemadman110]

It’s a shame that imperial rough riders have been designated to legends. The thought of the imperium even considering Calvary is hilarious

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Not really special forces irl often ride horses. Contrary to popular belief we don't ride horses into battle because its too expensive not becuase its not effective.

[@absolutemadman110]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Well not being fiscally responsible is kind of on brand for the imperium. What special forces are you in?

[@constantinekorkousky3363]

I would love if they brought them back but as motorcycle riders instead

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

they appeared in the rumour engine from gw so cross your fingers

[@WoobooRidesAgain]

It's a shame because it would totally make sense from the lore: It'd be kind of difficult to get a feral or feudal world's forces up to speed on how a car works, and there are a lot of planets (eg: Catachan) where even though the society is generally up to speed technologically, the conditions on those planets don't really permit much in the way of complex mechanical vehicles like cars or tanks. These forces with horses or other analogous riding animals could then act as light recon or skirmish units. Hell, you don't even need to give them horses. How awesome would it be to have motorcycles of reasonable non-Space Marine proportions, with optional side cars with heavy stubbers or some sort of light lascannons mounted? Or even something akin to a kettenkrad or bren carrier.

[@Themannis93]

Does your diabetes powers allow you to be as hilarious as you are?

[@pancreasnowork9939]

I'm gonna use that explanation from now on

[@kojinko]

The Emperor shows you his favor brother!

[@AbelDuviant]

Finally someone else who's sus of the way the Sisters of Battle are treated I swear people are real creaps about them

[@Kyla-Stormhazard]

They're great when combined with Guard. Let the enemy shoot at the psyopathic zealots rushing at them whilst you stay behind nice beautiful cover and shoot your flashlight at the distracted enemies.

[@aylix2137]

That was surprising to me, I thought they were always depicted as winning?

[@tomasdawe4423]

@@Kyla-Stormhazard That is how Ciaphas Cain suggests using them in the lore

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

Why is it creepy when it happens to the sisters but not creepy when it happens to the guard?

[@ImperialisticTendencies]

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior because the guard has mostly masculine models while the sisters are women

[@jthomas7453]

Personally I love sisters of battle because they mix what is cool about the space marines and guard into one amazing, clinically insane, zealous package. You got the "normal ass person" thing, the cool power armor and access to good tech, the zealotry and religious fervor, and the holy miracles. Plus they got some killer models with their new range

[@rushi5638]

Lore-wise, sisters of battle + guard is humanity at its finest. Big E probably cringes a bit at the religious fervor, but I think he'd agree that they represent everything he believes in - a primarch is just an army's worth of guard and sisters condensed into one roided out demi-god.

[@anna-flora999]

​@@rushi5638 imo what the emperor actually believes (or rather what he invisioned for humanity) is "tau but not blue" Highly regimented class based society where everyone knows their place (or is made to know in the rare cases they don't) that doesn't rely on warp craft lead by a select few exalted leader figures the rest of the population has a fanatical but not worship based loyalty to and that keeps the general population ignorant of chaos

[@riches3581]

"I am the harbinger" - the (first) guardsman who saved the Emperor from Horus p.s. I can't believe you didn't mention him.

[@twicedeadmage]

Didn't he actually fight Angron? I'm kinda lost with him.

[@riches3581]

@@twicedeadmage nope he didn't...originally. As always GW decided to ruin the lore with shitty retcons. Retcons #1: his heroic act was accidental and unwittingly. Retcons #2: he was just another guardsman killed by angron during the siege and his story was edited by a greedy rememberencer. Retcon #3: he was a preputal.

[@riches3581]

@@twicedeadmage nope he didn't...originally. As always GW decided to ruin the lore with shitty retcons. Retcons #1: his heroic act was accidental and unwittingly. Retcons #2: he was just another guardsman killed by angron during the siege and his story was edited by a greedy rememberencer. Retcon #3: he was a preputal.

[@Thestarwarsman8]

Do or Don't: Death Korps of Krieg edition where it's just links to STL files and 3D printers and then forge world DKoK models

[@Johnnekaiser]

There's another factor of the guard that I love, The Genestealer Cults Brood Brothers (The Entireity and not just the sqaud) Can pretty much use any Imperital Guard Unit except for the Baneblades and Named Characters. So what I have is a Small Imperial Guard Army, Bought some Brood Brothers Upgrade kits. and I can either use them with a Genestealer Cult army, Or just use them as Imperial Guard but with a Brood Brothers Skin, Two Armies In one

[@alexmiller1800]

I’m dipping my toes into 40k for the first time through all the Do or Don’t videos, and personally, I like the sound of the Imperial Guard the best so far. Playing them sounds a lot like playing Chess. The entire point of the game is to determine which pieces you are willing to sacrifice either to take an enemy piece or to save a piece of your own. For a game as dense as 40k, that simple comparison makes actually playing a bit less daunting.

[@imperatrix5232]

Still waiting for "Do or Don't: Renegades and Heretics"... Honestly, I'd be shocked if even Pancreas could drag us out into an entire video. Would love to see it though

[@mastergmoore]

This was the video that tipped the scales and got me into 40K table top. Every meal a banquet. Every paycheck a fortune. Every formation a parade. I love the guard.

[@WildcardActual]

Ah damn that FTL music is dragging me back. Great video man

[@exactinmidget92]

the guard is by far the most relatable and i love them. i get the banter and slang because its what i experienced in the army. heck i own The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer and its almost an exact copy of the blue book that i got in basic.

[@valorz6064]

That Age of Mythology soundtrack around 7:45 sent me on all nostalgia trip. Bless you🙏

[@baconweave5159]

I've always taken a shining to basic infantry units in sci-fi and fantasy, and also usually play as a human in games like Elder Scrolls. It's like an anchor to reality that immerses me in these settings. With all this crazy shit going on all around me I'd more than likely end up as some run of the mill grunt instead of a heroic demon slaying demi god.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

Honestly despite the space marine are the poster boys of 40k which I personally love them especially dark angels/ultramarine and blood raven. I do prefer imperial guards because of you said in the video for being the average human in horrible sci-fi setting on top of that of course the vast amount of diversity and culture that imperial guards has my most favorite top 5 is 1.)Catachan 2.)Armeggodan steel legion 3.)Cadian shock troops 4.)Death korps of Krieg 5.)Elysium drop troops Also lore wise I'm upset that Cadia was destroyed and on top of that GW discontinue Karsiken table top model. To me karsiken are awesome because they look like real life special forces in terms of look wise and gadgets. Love the fact they're basically augmented humans.

[@andarara-c1p]

I also like them because they are essentitally the main army of the Imperium in reality. Space Marines being barely 1 Million is nothing for galactic scales.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

@@andarara-c1p That's another reason why I like the imperial guards because its both grounded and makes more sense that's why they're the main force of the imperium. However I do fine it abit funny when certain humans of imperium guard start having supernatural moments that makes near space marine such as Commisar Yarrick.

[@andarara-c1p]

@@messageinthebottle1673 Yarrick also has better equipment and experience than the average guardsman anyway I guess.

[@barbiquearea]

To me playing as the Imperial Guard is like playing as an archer faction in Age of Empires II but only spamming missile units and artillery and few if any cavalry or melee infantry units. Your army of archers are relatively cheap and though they are squishy in combat can easily outgun even the strongest enemy units through death by a thousand cuts, and will have the edge in a battle provided they stay close together and the enemy close the distance and force them to fight in a melee. And even then while some of your archers will be cut down, that won't stop their comrades from continuing to nip at their health bar.

[@commanderargon3321]

I love that age of mythology music you use in these videos. It’s such a good game

[@johngun4377]

“I’m fucken diabetic and I could be a Guardsman” Ogryns

[@IMBATAKU]

I have never played warhammer, not even the video games, but I love your videos so much, keep up the great work panc!

[@robertpowell1464]

"Dear humanity, we regret being alien bastards. We regret coming to [insert imperial planet]. And we certainly regret that the Astra Militarum just blew up our raggedy asses. Hoorah!"

[@poodlecomb5053]

10:23 My cousins out slaying daemons, and what do i get? Guard duty.

[@Not_actually_a_commie]

Mfw a chaos-empowered, millennia-old Khornate Space Marine warband gets shredded by an artillery barrage fired by conscripts with a month of training between them

[@Burgerzaza]

I really like the concept of normal humans holding the line against the worst the galaxy has to offer to defend their home and family, which is why I've been 3d printing gue'vesa But fr the guard are an underrated army, I just wish it didnt attract some of the worst people

[@diegonunez3492]

What type of players choose guard?

[@SpoopySquid]

​@@diegonunez3492the kind of people who are a little too invested in WW2, if you catch the meaning

[@rileyernst9086]

GW dose not run 99% of tournaments. Tournament organisers don't care I your models are 3rd party if they are clearly what they are supposed to be. Just use 3rd part IG troops and tanks if you are worried for price. Have fun, make your regiment your own.

[@Marpaparp]

Great vid! (By the way, I'm the guy who painted the baneblade at 13:31 haha)

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

As a Marine myself, I can relate to the guard. They're cool, and they *use* to be good on the tabletop. Now they suck complete ass, but I still enjoy them. Unlike any other faction, you can use other models from different wargames for your armies!

[@arturnicaciodeandrade9861]

Damn Bismarck, didn't knew you became a space marine

[@MrTux-tw4ld]

@@arturnicaciodeandrade9861 God emperor bless German engineering

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

@@arturnicaciodeandrade9861 it's the mustache

[@kingremus7544]

Yooo I swear I get so nostalgic watching your videos, this time I recognized the FTL music, good game.

[@dylanarnold6982]

I started Imperial Guard back in 2008 and since then ive just sooped it up after game after game of getting inappropriately touched to by every other faction in the game (i know its soup lol) so added Ad Mech and Space Marines into the army as well. Ad Mech are probably my favourite part of the army but the majority of my points go to Valkyrie - Tempestus Scions - Bullgryns - Basilisk. They’ll always be my OG

[@Alex13501]

The planet broke before the guard did! i am not sorry!

[@The_Murder_Party]

was there a 0:47 pun about a giant bug being "un-beetleble"

[@Bearvalid]

Thank you for helping me choose guard, FOR THE ASTRA MILITARUM GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE

[@robertapgar7413]

"You were never NOT in Basilisk range." I laughed uncontrollably at that.

[@King_Crawdad]

My favorite faction forever and ever. Guard for life.

[@Kasapin5033]

Great video! But man, that Age of Mythology background music takes me back :D

[@capthavic]

You gotta have respect for the Guard, because even in a universe of demigods and demons its the (relatively) normal humans who are the foundation that keeps the Imperium together and functioning.

[@AhNoWiC]

These vids are great, really enjoy your blend of humor, lore and stuff regarding the tabletop game. I don't play myself as I can't justify the hit to the budget, but hearing about its always interesting

[@Knights_Oath]

On the table, Guard is hurting from having a 5 year old codex early in the previous edition. As of the announcement of the Chaos Demons codex, Guard will be the last faction updated for 9th. With the Eldar line refresh, Guard has the oldest average model line in 40K.

[@ChaosTicket]

I love the Imperial Guard, but not their treatment. Back in the 3.5 Imperial Guard codex there were new rules to allow a huge variety of Imperial Guard regiments to represent the million worlds that contribute to the Imperial Guard. Those were eliminated the next edition so then the IG basically all became the same thing. Now most people think 99% of the Imperial guard are clones of Cadia with 1% being the Death Korps of Krieg, because Trench Warfare is grimdark. It was a huge disservice to eliminate that, but it was also done earlier. Back in 2nd edition, before the Force Organization Chart you could have entire platoons of horse-mounted Rough Riders. Or you could have platoons made up of a Command Squad and heavy weapons skipping the basic trooper squad, or have an army of about 50% Ratling/Ogryns/storm trooper/ squads. These kinds of changes mean the Imperial Guard have been Flanderized to be just a horde army. I remember the Armageddon Steel Legion, which are entirely mechanized(In transport vehicles), the air/space dropping Elysians, sword-wielding Kanak Skull Takers, heavily armored Vostroyan Firstborn, stealthy Tanith First and Only, and many combinations. My favorite were the Harakoni Warhawks. A whole army of Imperial Guardsmen with grav chutes and carapace armor, meaning they were an middle-ground elite-lite army, still being numerous and back then about twice as tough.

[@grindcoreninja6527]

I haven't actually bought any figures yet, but I was going to go guard, after this video I want to go guard even more so. I've always liked playing the regular grunt, I love the Zaku 2, I always played as regular COG soldiers in Gears of War, and I loved ODST.

[@AcertifiedBAMF]

There’s a quote out there that says it best: it’s one thing to defeat demons when your from a race that lives hundreds of years, is tied to magic, and births some of the best archers in the world. It’s another thing entirely to do the same when your species is known to be slightly above average at farming

[@Rynewulf]

Honestly I want the abhuman guards back. Squats, beastmen, ratlings, felinids all that stuff since only the ogryns are left. Much more interesting than a billion identical dudes all called Jeremy

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I mean, really there's nothing stopping you from modeling the Cheetahmen or Splinter into your army.

[@mr.morkite1598]

Never seen this channel before, but I respect the choice of music in the video. This guy has taste!

[@izzymosley1970]

I don't like named characters in Warhammer 40K because they are just arbitrarily Superior to other members of their faction for no reason space Marines for example all get the same training if they're from the same chapter so it makes no sense for one space Marine to randomly do better than all of the other space Marines who had the exact same training it just seems weird that some characters even with the exact same amount of experience and training are just randomly more talented than everyone else around them it just makes no sense to me.

[@Sara3346]

They don't all get the same training. I'm sure there are some instances where this doesn't make any sense, but obviously someone like a chapter Master is going to have more experience than someone who's only a couple years out from being a neophyte.

[@izzymosley1970]

@@Sara3346 by them all having the same training I'm talking about space Marines from the same chapter they should at least start out with the same training but were my complaint comes in is when you get characters like sigismund who was performing way better than anyone else around him despite the fact that he had the same training as the other neophytes.

[@Karhall]

It's not that big of a deal. Two people can work out at equal pace but one of them may just pull ahead. Due to any number of reasons, age, experience, genetics, and just luck. It's why Tyberous the red wake is so huge and strong compared to literally everyone else. Also training is only a small part of it, an important part but a small one.

[@Papa_Nurgle360]

bro is an OG using Age of Mythology soundtrack on this, your a legend dude

[@lilstarship34]

A fun vid, if you have time haha, might be like, insanely wacky/weird guard stories lol

[@VVopal]

The stellaris music is oddly satisfying with the video

[@alphanoodle1877]

I feel like the guard are more faithful in the emperor than the space marines are sometimes only ones with steal balls bigger than the president of ukraine's can be shooting at the xenos without any power armor

[@esukgfjyijlgul5335]

No

[@philipkelly7369]

More than sometimes, space marines are fully 100% on board the "die for the emperor" train, BUT many space marines deny the Emperor's divinity. Whereas the imperial guard, being mostly composed of people that were normal schmucks before joining, are not only dedicated to the Imperium on what we would think of as a nationalistic, patriotic level, they are also devoted to the Emperor on a religious level (to varying degrees, just like with, ya know, real religion)

[@CyrodiilCome]

The Ukraine president is a coward who sent kids age 15-19 and old men age 65+ with 3 days of training to fight a trained military because he took bribes from western nations. He is now trying to get foreigners to fight the war. He is also forcing people to stay and fight at gun point instead of leaving with their families and lives

[@alphanoodle1877]

@@CyrodiilCome chill the fuck out its a joke

[@steelbear2063]

President of Ukraine has balls?

[@doctorcorvus1319]

The Imperial Guard was actually the two particular factions I used to use when playing tabletops, people really don’t like when someone have firing line that mows down everyone and everything in sight. Other than that, tabletop is where I can actually play strategically and not just rush in… unless it’s Krieg.

[@gameoverlordN7]

Back in the day when you could pick up the imperial guard box sets for £90 with a tank, 20 or more troops, a commander and a bunch of random bits. Plus the old models where cheaper. Sure you can't pose them how you want. But they are the bulk that your special troops make looks good. Rn my army is about 35 guardsman and 2 heavy artilleries plus one Aquilan Shield who was sent there because of one Private called Greg who was about to be killed by 5 necrons.

[@cowbeanboi412]

Something Something planet broke before guard did

[@Just_Pele]

"I have a 2k army of Necrons." [pulls out 1 Pelican case] "I have a 2k army of Space Marines." [pulls out 2 Pelican cases] "I have a 2k army of Imperial Guards." [rolls up with 4 full Uhaul boxes on a dolly]

[@kommando293]

I don’t like to think myself a meat shield. I consider myself more of a F-in speed bump to some Chaos demigods plans. If I wasn’t playing AdMech, I’d play Guard. Tanith and Death Korp all the way.

[@nickbilske8140]

I started again recently with admech, would of played guard again if blasts were still templates, miss the d3 s10 large blasts from a manticore

[@Jewus19]

nice video. Having printed quite the number of imperial troopers myself, the 135.50$ for the Solar Auxilia squad gave me a hearty laugh :D Thanks for that!

[@deathkorpswatchmaster2414]

God I love guardsman so much Theres just something about the comman man facing the horrors of the galaxy and the nuance between regiments Also 3:53 is my wallpaper

[@MetalGearAusInd]

Keep up the good work, I don’t have many KZbinrs I get so excited about when I see they’ve got a new video

[@KittSpiken]

My 3d printer shall be a formidable war world.

[@jaykkinell7267]

Same, any tips for an stl printer. Also what size are the bases

[@goodbyejojo7198]

I gotta say Iove this series, as his approach mirrors the faction he's talking about... like thr orks were juat non stop chaos yet with the guard he's taking it slow and serious

[@pancreasnowork9939]

First

[@Boltgunmetal94]

The Guard are my favorite faction. They are historically interesting, and the idea of soldiers in war of the world's combat is amazing. I love that they have trillions of infantry. I was a medic with the infantry and I find astra militarum to be the most relatable and fun to play. I play orks, Guard, death guard, and Alpha Legion. Orks and guard are my favorites to play as or against

[@moogiibat5845]

"I hated when people say that imperials guard soldiers are like you and me" quote so much, most of these guys are come from a background of very harsh and cruel society and environment that hardened them even before they joined the guard, these people wouldn't even have the faintest imagination of the luxuries living we have, we are more like the asshole nobles on hive cities while these guardsmen will be more related to people who are working in sweatshops in India, China, Vietnam, etc and people who live in very harsh environment like in Russia, Nepal, Africa, Mongolia and those who live in a place with extremely corruption, conflict and crime like Mexico, Venezuela, Iraq, Afghanistan and etc. They are not like you and me.

[@CyrodiilCome]

You had me until you said we're not corrupt

[@tdvwest9514]

Guess people who are working in sweatshops are not human. But seriously I hate how people feel like just because a human goes through suffering they are not relatable or don't represent humanity. Look at all the places you mentioned I hate to break it to you but a good chunk of humanity lives in corruption and poverty.

[@moogiibat5845]

@@tdvwest9514 thanks for pointing out the obvious, you must be very smart.

[@denseaf1582]

Can still relate to them easier compared to genetically modified humans and aliens.

[@kojinko]

@@moogiibat5845 I think he means 'like you an me' in the reference of humans. We are expendable meat sacks prone to die. Someone working in a sweatshop or dealing with cartel crime wouldnt even hear much 40k lore because they are trying to stay alive. So stop being so serious and enjoy the fact that its sci fi.

[@orange8420]

When you send more men and women in to a fight than enemy have blood cells

[@makidelic1726]

First again!

[@InquisitorKryptman]

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