What's the Best AI Mod for Fallout 4? - Mod Battle

[@BAD_HOBO]

Real AI + War of The Commonwealth is like being in Stalingrad in the 1940s

[@jcote1974]

Most people will never know why this comment is so good.

[@spiralout3942]

This comment is gold lol

[@rinripark]

Pack Attack sounds like the best here; only you seemingly have to jump through hoops to even get it, a Fallout 4 mod, which feels like the equivalent of a back alley drug deal. Or a cult initiation. Just downloading a mod isn't enough nowadays? Sheesh.

[@5226-p1e]

i mean if you were willing to get the mod and just host it on another site and then post a reddit about it so it can easily be found in the link you provide it could essentially bypass the whole discord thing for others.

[@VishnuViswanathan-sk2cc]

that is not how a cult initiation works

[@phohecks6046]

@@VishnuViswanathan-sk2cc Cult initiations can be anything, could be touching a stinky piece of cheese or saying "poopoopaapaa". There's isn't exactly a rule on this you know.

[@davidbarrera5033]

Real A.I. -> shoot a zombie and every other zombie in the map, dlcs and Fallout 5 aggro on you

[@jakemilitano2453]

The world didn't like that* everyone has been alerted. 😂😂

[@ch1ppychipp]

Dont forget entire settlements rushing to kill a singular bloatfly.

[@POVcombat]

Fantastic! I never really looked into Ai mods other than "Real Ai causes chaos" and "PANPC is best". Very insightful video, especially the explanations at the begining. Looking forward for the big guns

[@micc6849]

Real AI is really a poorly thought-out mod created by an author far too pretentious to admit criticism.

[@allenaju1856]

@@micc6849man did you see their nexus post, idk felt like they had a complex

[@PAINBODEE]

@@allenaju1856god or napoleon

[@guardianmf5534]

I'm relieved that you were able to warn against the side effects of greatly increasing detection range. Personnaly I am content with mods that tweak combat behavior (like Enhanced Combat AI) and add longer alert states

[@AreWeLearningYet77]

I feel like I'm the only person who really enjoys real ai's chaotic warzone atmosphere. Especially paired with sim settlements and killable NPCs. then trying to tame the chaos by building up all the settlements to handle it all. Having a settlement of of a dozen people storm the nearby mutant camp alongside you is just *chef's kiss*. I actually want PANPC paired with the ridiculous detection range.

[@TeamOneDay]

Heads up, new AI mod JUST came out today. What funny timing. It's called "Chemfluence - AI Combat Dynamics" and I wonder how it compares to the aforementioned AI mods in this video.

[@PancuroniumB]

Well that's quite inconvenient for me. Taking a quick look at Chemfluence, I can see it's a script based mod like PANPC/PACE, but far more simple. To illustrate, Chemfluence has a single 9 kilobyte script, whereas PANPC alone has dozens adding up to over 2 megabytes. All Chemfluence does is change each NPC's combat style depending on several factors: - chem they've most recently consumed - equipped weapon (melee/shotgun/ranged) - health dropping below configurable threshold The Pack Attack mods have their own dynamic combat style switching system, which already has the latter two factors covered. I imagine if you attempted to use both PANPC/PACE and Chemfluence at once, NPCs would constantly flip between combat styles, which would be undesirable. Due to this soft conflict, these mods shouldn't be used together. If you can handle the script load caused by Pack Attack, I see no reason to choose Chemfluence over it. Every other mod I've reviewed will work fine with Chemfluence, although any changes they make to the default combat styles will be overwritten by Chemfluence's new combat styles most of the time. For Arbitration/Advanced AI Tweaks, this may be a benefit rather than a downside. There you go. Wonder no longer. I'll add this write-up to the description soon, so my video isn't out of date 1 day after posting it.

[@TeamOneDay]

@@PancuroniumB Wow! Thanks for the write up! Haven't had the time to test it so this is really helpful.

[@adriansouls2451]

@@PancuroniumB also if you only want the "healing npc" component you can only download the mod "npc use items" from the same author

[@captainfordo1]

@@PancuroniumB Chemfluence was built to be fully compatible with PANPC as stated by the mod author, so incompatibility shouldn't be an issue.

[@PancuroniumB]

@@captainfordo1 Both mods use the SetCombatStyle command all the time, so they'll be fighting for control of each NPC's combat style. I checked the scripts myself, this is the case.

[@AugmentalGameplay]

You really went above and beyond on this one, I learned so much about these mods I never knew about

[@andreassk]

2:03 That makes perfect sense. I always try to keep the mod list short but it is very difficult to say NO to a lot of mods. I remember PA using in the past as well and it is nice to see confirmation that its still the best.

[@charlesklein6399]

Never seen your content before, but this was super helpful for me, so I thank you good sir.

[@Babyboomer_59]

I am so glad I caught this video, I had taken a lengthy break from FO4 and was just going through my mods and what's new out there, I already had PANPC in my load order and had ran across the mod Real-AI and was going to give it a try over PANPC, thanks to your video and your help, I'll stay with PANPC removing Real-AI.

[@hiddenhope7569]

Hold on a minute....Bro I'm only 3 minutes into this vid, and its the most well made in-depth and comprehensive video I've seen in some time. Thank you so much for putting this together so well. It makes me take little things in life more seriously too. Fantastic job. Liked and Subbed.

[@Ty-eo6bu]

I'm jealous of your eyes for the obscure. Well done.

[@kgp227]

Companion overhauls would be a good one to cover next.

[@jallarjazz]

never comment on vids, but this dude is ridiculously under appreciated. How tf does he have less than 8k subs?????

[@J.B.1982]

As a long time PANPC user who made the Horizon patch, playing with the mod is like playing a new Fallout 4. And I recommend turning the stealth HUD indicator off. Use sight, sound, and learn the mod. Basically, you are never fully invisible, even with the Stealthboy effect running, so you will get spotted more easily no matter what your sneak skill is. If you're going for Ninja invisibility type stealth, this is not the mod for you, and that's paraphrasing the author's words. I do sneak more than I would with Vanilla but that's the only real negative, if you want to call it that. It does create a harder combat experience but nothing overwhelming. Script load is another concern. I've tried other mods and Pack Attack is simply too good. There is exhaustive documentation on how the mod works. You need to read that if you're going to use the mod or you'll have too many questions in the Discord.

[@lartonki]

Combat ai empowered did save my day, it seems that if you remove all melee weapons from the game, melee ncp:s are just using their first, but this mod mades that now they are actually using guns that they on their inventory.

[@lv83bloodknight]

Real AI with You and what Army (Every faction) for the true warzone experience.

[@liquidlethe]

That was a great video, well done comparisons of similar mods are hard to come by. I wonder how well or not PANPC plays with the newly released " _Enhanced AI Detection - NPC - Stealth Level HUD Indicator_ " mod by LarannKiar. Despite the name its just a mod for the hud element itself so you could use this to change what the meter does instead of just turning it off.

[@denomizotakh]

Why the hell you want to use 2 AI mods together

[@liquidlethe]

@@denomizotakh Because they aren't both AI mods despite the name, read the comment.

[@Tangomango1720]

PANPC wins again! Would love to see you review starfield mods when it rolls out

[@Sweetandsyrupy]

Love this! Super helpful, thanks!

[@denomizotakh]

I recommend if you have PANPC to download PACE also from the same author , to edit companion AI ,otherwise your buddies will be whacked very easy from enemies

[@jayr7331]

Hey Pancuronium, just know you and your work are much appreciated in the community. Keep it up!

[@racherim]

I'm using PACE rn but sometimes it's hit or miss, for example they just sometimes stare at the enemy and don't shoot it.

[@LordSleepy99]

Thanks. I was wondering if any of these other than Pack attack were worth it

[@Joesire]

Pack attack really impressed me. It was TOO good

[@Jason32Bourne]

This is a very good and useful video series. Thank you. Keep it up.

[@AdamNRG316]

This is exactly what I'm looking for. I've been using pack attack but this playthrough I'm using Sim settlements and was a bit concerned about script load. So this came at the perfect time! Thanks dude. *edit* oh, guess I'm sticking with pack attack then lol.

[@MyRealDelusion]

Man I love the no waste my time format this is the way every you tube video should be doing.

[@Tagazok]

If only KZbin was like Reddit 🤩

[@soberglass]

I watched this video using the automatic Japanese translation and found it very informative!

[@driftwood-f4p]

The best mod introduction video, thank you for your efforts! hope to see more

[@Valyrian81]

Saying search and destroy does nothing when you just stated its changes? It does have an effect, it makes stealth a lot harder. You'll also see a lot more random encounters between factions that wouldn't happen in vanilla. As well as enemies spotting you from the top of Corvega for instance...without the mod the player will have no issue whatsoever.

[@cyan4977]

Your insight and presentation are incredible. Also, this topic seems to be a suitable subject for youtube polls, what do you think?

[@malfuller3367]

Thank you for taking my suggestion.

[@FishStalker777]

Nice video. I was searching for a mod that fixes the incredibly stupid way that FO4 handles stealth in multi-story buildings. I don’t want to make stealth easier, but it makes zero sense that enemies on the sixth floor go to Caution when you’re sneaking around directly below them on the first floor. Anyone know a mod that fixes this stupid design flaw? Thanks

[@Vaniary]

This video is exactly what I needed thank you ! AI mods are so difficult to evaluate, you barely understand what they do lol

[@madestro]

Nice video, thanks for sharing. My Fallout 4 experience basically revolves around Sim Settlements 2 so I will pass on all of these but very informative

[@UndeadKIRA]

I like increased detection range because i use "raider non agression pack" so its not as annoying, only like, super mutants are a violent menace, like they should be

[@g4merboie789]

I have been usinr real. Ai and i cant go back. I notice that npcs chase you and try to find you in a much more agressive way. They also move around more and use cover more effectively instead of standing there getting shot up. In interiors its very hard to go back to complete stealth after firing a shot. In exteriors you actually get engaged with instead of them waiting for you. I also play on series s and disable the stealth meter with Ihud. Enemies seem to focus more on light levels when far away which makes sense. When close, if you can move slowly, you can maybe get a stealth kill.

[@PapitoQinn]

I'm still using Arbitration to this day. I thought maybe I can find something better for a fresh playthrough. But I'm a Sim Settlements 2 player. Apart from the hassle of getting the file it sounds like my Ryzen 5 3600 won't be able to handle both it and Pack Attack. I'm also looking for something to replace the Agony mod as that's old too. But I'm certainly not going to install Horizon.

[@plazma2891]

For real bro you are the best mod reviewer on KZbin

[@rizalferdiyan7513]

Very good review, simple to the point, thumb up

[@lolcatjunior]

Can't run PANPC because my load order is pretty script heavy.

[@zlostnypopolnik]

I recently started playing basically vanilla FO4 and started watching the AI of NPCs. Vanilla AI is good and doesn't need to be changed, this is my opinion. The only setting I added to the game is bDisableCombatDialogue. With the Fallsouls mod, I experienced an ambush like I have never experienced in any game. I also threw in Live Dismemberment. In my game, NPCs hide, run, go around me, attack me from behind, sniping me and all without revealing their location.

[@reaperanon979]

I think the only real problem is that gunshots need to be louder, annoying when npcs not far away are just casually sitting down when you just gunned someone down with a large caliber weapon.

[@TheBHAitken]

I haven't tried to modify the game AI because I really never considered it to be "AI"; while the concepts were around and improved over the years, the required simplicity to accommodate large number of NPCs always left it in the realm of "detection circuit" in my eyes. Which brings up the thought that our gaming hardware is going to have to change soon, not so much with graphics where realism is now more of an artistic choice rather than a limitation, but in memory and AI processing to run the background processes, or scripts of the simulation.

[@IndustrialBonecraft]

Until we get some serious changes in the materials we use for CPU semiconductors (away from silicon), we're not going to see many changes any time soon. Physics is quite literally curbing our ability to develop processors.

[@malekat8539]

I can't join their Discord server for PANPC. Is it happening for everyone else?

[@SalvadorBrumov]

You're doing the lord's work in these comparisons. Liked and subbed. Thank you!

[@alexxmigss]

I listened to a bunch of your videos while driving today and I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you caring about our time as viewers by getting into the recommended mods right away, and I admit I laughed quite a bit at some things you said. You have a solid sense of humor :D

[@joeballoon]

thank you for telling us the details for these mods, if it were just up to me id probably download these mods then have my experience ruined

[@JayV426]

I see you added Chemfluence to the description, would you use that over Combat AI Empowered?

[@PancuroniumB]

I'd use PANPC over either of them, but you can use those two mods together if you'd like, they're not incompatible.

[@Jose.Q_]

This is really informative 👍👍, i guess (smart Ai ) an immersive gameplay didnt make the list for xbox sx fo4 ...... ima try out those Ai mods that you mentioned

[@vonklinkenhoffn1]

Edit: Great vid! Question; is "Immersive Scaling -Damage -Dismemberment" or "Better Locational Damage" the same type of mods as these? If so, are any of them worth it or not?

[@PancuroniumB]

Immersive Scaling's only change related to AI is reducing the speed of stealth point regeneration. BLD - AI Tweaks only edits combat styles. You are better off controlling those dynamically via the scripted methods of Chemfluence or PANPC.

[@vonklinkenhoffn1]

@@PancuroniumB Thanks for answering, it really helps a lot! This is very good news for me, since I mostly wanted to just have Immersive Scaling anyway. I was thinking of pairing it with NPC'S Use Items, so that they can heal themselves. Do you think Chemfluence would be better? I want it light though, mainly just so NPC'S can heal themselves during combat and such. I don't remember if Immersive Scaling had something like that.

[@PancuroniumB]

@@vonklinkenhoffn1 NPCs Use Items is made by the same author as Chemfluence and they are meant to work together.

[@vonklinkenhoffn1]

@@PancuroniumB Yeah, but Chemfluence is covering quite a bit more stuff than NPC'S Use Items, if I've understood it correctly. I wonder if it's worth it together with Immersive Scaling though, I'll have to think on that one. Thanks for your feedback, it really helps!

[@SAdams8782]

Thank you for these reviews!

[@shawncotton356]

A new mod Called F.A.D.E. looks promising

[@RansomMemoryAccess]

The mod author certainly promise a lot. Not much engagement in the comment section though.

[@SuperVside]

I'm hoping you do an Automatron/robot🤖 mod battle at some point, there aren't too many of them but one stands head and shoulders above the rest IMO.

[@Tangomango1720]

Which

[@SuperVside]

@@Tangomango1720 Automatron Rebooted

[@MrVeekz]

Can i use Combat AI Empowered with PANPC?

[@PancuroniumB]

Yes, it's not all that different from 4est GIMP's AI Edits.

[@caiooca5793]

Excellent.

[@vrimps]

thanks for the explanation

[@Error-5478]

Looking for pack attack, and it says it was deleted

[@AfroWearingNyanPanda]

Great video brother!

[@sashapinesnguyenhienhoa8003]

How do one install pack attck ?

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

I'm on XBOX so no PANPC for me, though I will look into what options I do have.

[@kodhimac]

big fan of comat ai empowered, but might give pack attack on my next build.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

PancuroniumB, which one would you recommend for XB1 Series X?

[@PancuroniumB]

I'd recommend sticking with the vanilla AI, or maybe use Real .AI if you're using an open world overhaul that removes the main quest.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

@@PancuroniumB Thanks. By the way you forgot about DegenerateDak's Lever Action Shotgun when you did your Shotgun mod list.

[@rubengpires]

There is a standalone mod from combat AI empowered that is essential Combat AI Empowered - Reduce Grenade Spam, and basically makes arbitration moot. I just cant stand vanillas NPCs throwing grenades forever.

[@Demonrzx]

Thank you so much for this video!

[@yudhaxn1195]

is there a mod to monitor papyrus workload? gonna check if mine ok for pack attack

[@PancuroniumB]

Only one I know of is SKK Script Lag latency detector.

[@yudhaxn1195]

@@PancuroniumB thank you that just what i need

[@morningnapalm9963]

Just download all of them and watch the chaos unfold

[@induplicable]

I’m so n current gen XB and I’ve Arbitration installed. Enemy NPCs definitely strafe/dodge a lot more and occasionally will flank the player. There’s a bit of added chaos but hasn’t ever been over the top. Probably the best available on console but that ain’t saying much

[@Helix142]

even though this was 8 months ago wasnt pack attack originally on nexus but i guess it was maybe during the nexus cant delete mods shitshow or whatever happened i forget nowadays that happened and they gave modders a time to remove their mods if they so wished.

[@4estGimp]

Thank your for the vid - well done.

[@WithoutNumbers]

Can anyone tell me in which section of Discord there is a link to the mod "Pack Attack NPC/Companion Edition", so that I can leave this community as soon as possible and never waste time on it again? I think most of us are not here to read tons of useless text from the creators of these servers, because we are not going to be part of their habitat and no one will ever copy the link in response or perhaps even get banned for asking where the link is.

[@gamertardguardian1299]

Are behavioral/non hostile ai mods compatible with arbitration? It seens all arbitration effects is combat ai, but i am also interested in the other ai mods that focus on NON combat idling. Its just a bit weird how all raiders seem to do is eat, sleep, and patrol the camp

[@PancuroniumB]

If you're talking about mods that edit/add AI packages, they should work together without issues.

[@gamertardguardian1299]

@@PancuroniumB Alright thank you

[@LongLiveTheKingMusic]

Good shit on explaining everything bro.

[@chrish931]

How easy do you want the game, Bethesda Stealth has been OP for years, making it easier is insane to me.

[@5226-p1e]

ok for my needs the stealth and detection system seems like the best mod in this list from what you have said, i know you wanted to say that last mod was the best but what you described wasn't what i was looking for, this game's stealth is done so bad that i would rather find a mod to do it right and it sounds like this stealth and detection system mod does it best out of all of them.

[@rebkahibasdeys]

im old. i dunno how discord works. I went to Greslin's discord, but cant find the download file. how do you find the file on discord??

[@OnADistantWall]

It's in the "releases-latest" channel of the "Pack Attack NPC Edition" tab. You made need to ask for the "citizen" role in the role request channel before you can see much. A shame that such a good mod is kept behind so many hoops.

[@rebkahibasdeys]

@@OnADistantWall thank you. Let me go ask for the role

[@krischurch3763]

​@@OnADistantWallagreed. Go back to fallout nv; you'll find most of them outright gone with no recourse.

[@JonnyCrackers]

Pack Attack looks really cool, but the guy who made it seems like a real kook. Having to get a special role just to download it for personal use is kind of ridiculous.

[@walker2k3]

Why did you delete my post? It was just a summary and nothing negative was included?!

[@PancuroniumB]

I didn't delete your post, and KZbin hasn't held it for review for me to allow back either. It may have been deleted as spam, especially if you put links in it. KZbin doesn't like external links to other websites.

[@stephenmckenna5012]

Ok I have found real AI sneaking is harder then vanilla until you get sneak to at least 3. Real is fun to play.

[@chrismayhem5447]

Real AI is actually fun

[@Didntreadtos]

I have found that arbitration make NPCs stay in cover for waaayyyy longer and they're shooting patterns change

[@ExistentialGojora]

You are the man!

[@VishnuViswanathan-sk2cc]

Pack Attack have patch for SS2.

[@chuethao385]

Throw in war of the commonwealth, no combat boundary, scourge, encounter zone high level recalculate, agony, maim, BLD and fall soul, damage multiplier, lethal heads hot, bastion, direct hit, skk stalker mods I guarantee you'll die 99%

[@Thumper8544]

good stuff

[@xezberzs96]

Lifesaver.

[@theweddingsinger1970]

I want a mod that stops a tiny raider chick blocking my sledgehammer power attack with her forearm so arbitration might work for me

[@njgamer69]

waw i see what you want it real but you shoot without the firing pin

[@SmilayBros]

Karizma

[@jackaromorrison1249]

These are not on playstation

[@Haitch_Kay]

I still can't believe how many modders are refusing to put their mods back on the Nexus

[@MrSporkster]

Sounds like very single one of these mods is a complete waste of time.

[@Spartans1gm4]

The description of real AI is inaccurate. NPC’s will also flank you take cover more accurately and use their weapons more realistically, I made a characters will rush you down and snipers will try to stay far away.

[@SmoKKz0r]

Ur to hard on arbitration. Been useing it for years. Does alot more…

[@crimson159]

arbitration

[@TOVOTmarcolonna]

Bethesda sucks... also Todd Howard sucks... I challenge both publicly to offer Me an official and legal job, complete with a contract, as Director (even remotely) of the development of an mine game-idea for the next title released by this mentioned Company (and is not a joke this comment) anyway... this video is very good. I havent found one more complete for Fallout 4 IA IA why we are very distant in the present for use AI in videogames :|

[@derinyurdakul8167]

you sound really depressed here man are you ok?

[@koguts99-]

Why does bros voice sound ai☠️ good video tho