Kamila Valieva is facing a 4 year ban, Alexandra Trusova vs Ilia Malinin, & Alexia Paganini

[@etoile7402]

Former ballerina here, I took up figure skating as a hobby after I retired from ballet and I give ballet lessons to skaters now. I personally did not have any information on this but some very knowledgable person in our camp recently stated that the reason why the Eteri girls break down so quickly is related to how our bodies react to turning our backs in a fast motion. Even when you are just doing some stretches, turning your torso without moving your head and legs completely destroys your spine's shape; which is exactly what Eteri method is. It wouldn't surprise me that these girls will experience serious back problems as they grow up because they constantly, in a sense, dislocate their spinal discs. The proper technique for jumping very similar to ballet pirouettes, where you're supposed to turn your body and legs at the same time in a fast motion on your toes. The reason why they are harmed very easily go even beyond the malnourishment and the abuse. This is a topic without many researches unfortunately, but it is seriously harming these young children which will cause serious consequences for them in their adult years.

[@natm3141]

thank you for saying this! i remember getting yelled at by my old teacher when I twisted my back too much going into a pirouette - I completely understand now. just tragic what's happening to these kids

[@cosmari245]

evgenia medvedeva actually did end her career over a chronic back injury, she was under eteri too

[@ChristineTheHippie]

@@cosmari245 Almost every Eteri student has had career-ending back injuries

[@Dunika]

@@ChristineTheHippie Honestly, it could even be that all of them have/had them. The Eteri team seems to want to hide the back injuries even more than other injuries. We all knew at some point that Evgenia had a foot injury, but we didn’t know till waaay later that she also had a back injury. Trusova also has currently a back injury (we know now after she changed coaches), tursynbaeva can barely move now after a back injury and we got that from her mother years after it happened. The list of known injuries continues, and who knows who else might come out in the future saying they actually retired because of their backs. A broken arm or leg (bone) is harder to hide than a “broken” back.

[@TheFlowMind]

They all have serious back injuries. Just look at Aliona. After the 2019 season, her back was destroyed and could barely do what she did before.

[@figureskatingmess]

They better not put all the blame on Kamila. They HAVE to investigate the whole Eteri camp and everyone who have skated for them.

[@beckyy584]

Legally they’re supposed to since Kamilla is a “protected person.” Not sure why there is no news on the investigation on Eteri and co.

[@fsc4823]

i’m thinking all these organizations that pretend to care about athletes are just going to put all the punishment on Kami and give the other athletes their medals so people won’t be pissed anymore and then keep letting Eteri win so they get their nasty child-abuse checks from the russian federation. 4 years is 2+ years more than what is written for this situation in WADA’s own rule book so this is insane and negligent to me. they just don’t want to do any of the hard work.

[@maverich217]

Team turbritze should go under investigation

[@josephappiah5023]

Precisely.

[@R.Wintring]

True

[@mowi9645]

eteri should be punished, or whoever gave her the drugs. shes literally a minor being told what to do? i can't understand people that think it's her fault

[@sharoxx1894]

@@ДаниелШахънски what does that have to do with the fact that Kamila is doping tho?

[@WES6666]

@@sharoxx1894 they’re totally dismissing their role in the doping. Eteri and that shady doctor get walk off unscathed. Thats just simply not fair. Plus if Eteri was indeed involved in the doping, whats to stop her from doping other athletes?

[@gabrielleandrew542]

Exactly the child has not doped herself

[@gordaroo]

The unknowing athlete doping has been going on for years, Russia, East Germany and don’t forget the United States track program. To blame Valieva at the last Olympics by the the U.S. tv announcers without knowing the whole situation is disgusting. Nobody condones the doping problem, but I say if you did not grow up in a country that secretly promotes it we have to right to vilify these young athletes.

[@audreyheng8275]

The prediction of Kamila’s fate sounds so bad. She’s just a kid. I googled a little bit, apparently, she’s born in 2006, started skating at 2009, meaning she started skating at 3 years old. She’s gonna have her entire life ruined if this punishment is enacted and I’m 99% sure she’s not even responsible for this. Like she said, the 15 year old did not find 3 medications and consume them by herself, she did not. How traumatising it must be if this happens and she realises that Eteri never give a shit about her and just throw her to the sharks.

[@nongshimrizzforce]

Exactly. I'm a year older than her, this is crazy. I don't have access do any drugs and I Kamila won't either. They GAVE them to her.

[@audreyheng8275]

@@nongshimrizzforce Agreed, I don’t know how a 15 year old would be able to get her hands on 3 heart medication.

[@nyahrosee]

I think she should be 'punished', in the sense of banning her for a year - like making a point. but the adults who clearly knew and gave her the drugs should be banned for life. Kamilia took the drugs willing, she's 15 and knows right from wrong, but the adults around her definitely had some influence

[@audreyheng8275]

@@nyahrosee I know she should be punished but she shouldn’t be entirely responsible. As for Eteri and the coaches getting banned for life, I think it’s impossible.

[@beambreaker]

I totally agree with all of you, but one quick FACT. 15 year olds these days, you would be SURPRISED what they can get their hands on. Just saying. That's all

[@plutojunos]

a correction on the doping case: the reason WADA went directly to CAS wasn’t because RUSADA decided to not publish further information on the case because of Kamila’s status as a protected person. They went directly to CAS because after RUSADA had completed their investigation in mid September and handed the case over to a domestic committee for a final decision that committee continued to postpone their meetings, and essentially refused to make a decision. WADA set a deadline for them to decide the case, and once that expired, they went directly to CAS.

[@uliyanameshkova3291]

Sasha is not included in this chart, cause on top it says “figure skaters, who have begun and finished their senior career, while Tuktamysheva is still skating” and Sasha, unlike Anna is still competing

[@paolala]

Thank you for the translation ♥

[@sophien.1422]

Has Anna officially announced her retirement though?

[@milamaksimovic8769]

@@sophien.1422 i dont know but i think shes not competing this season

[@uliyanameshkova3291]

@@sophien.1422 nah, she didn’t

[@anonymcomment5864]

@@sophien.1422 officially she's not compeeting because she had knee surgery to recover, plus I guess the ban on international events is very to rush to the ice. We don't have any statement so maybe she'll be back, maybe she retired in her head and didn't want to annonce it yet. On an other channel I heard that she said in interview that "she is trying new things, discover and experiment" (Ice Age project e.g.). We'll see.

[@JillianLovesBooks]

I know it's damn near impossible, but in a perfect world, I'd love to see Eteri banned from coaching in the world of international competitive figure skating. She's irreparably damaging young girls and if Russia won't put their foot down, someone else has to.

[@blueclover9918]

Honestly I think they should somehow sanction her team more than they sanction Kamila. I don't know what it would look like, but they're going on without any consequences either, which I find infuriating.

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

True, but perhaps Kamilla will send a message to the others who are interested in joining the camp. Kamilla can be a deterrent.

[@blueclover9918]

@@Jeremy-wp4yh yes, and the parents will probably lean on the team too.

[@rodneymills6477]

Russia shouldn't be allowed to comete at the Olympics. In any sport. That's the solution.

[@Vladi0310]

@@rodneymills6477 agree, if the can’t play by they rules, they need to leave and hangout in Russia, the way they are doing it now. Valieva in February and now, don’t seem like the same skater, no 3axel, no quads. Tuktamysheva score higher, and she is 26!

[@blueclover9918]

@@annehancock6734 until they feel the sting, they'll probably keep on doing it, too

[@lilalvarez1894]

Correction. Trusova was not given artistic programs along with her technical . People need to stop saying she has no artistry when you can see that in her past when she did her first quad jump . And with the programs that Plushenko gave trusova had more artistry. Just because it’s not a ballet style does not mean that it’s not artistry. The problem is here Eteri gave her all jumps that trusova wanted but gave her plain programs. That’s because Trusova having both combinations would outshine the rest of their favorites.

[@kadv2172]

Yes and the new programs fit her so well 😍👏🏻

[@goodfella1234]

But you should also admit that Trusova is not that artistic comparing with her team mates. I think herself made the decision not to go for the artistic route since there was a very little chance she could win gold with the same artistic elements in the program. Everyone has different gifts and you can't expect someone to be all-round

[@beaulecroutche]

@Coolcharm I totally agree. She's not the type to just say, ok I'll listen to non-eteri experts and go for an artistic/performance type program. This young girl has character so if her programs are that way its because she understands the value of technicality and how it could give her more points over a dance performance.

[@dawncouzens659]

Funny how Alina and Anna (who were the choreographer's favourites in team tutberidze) both won the olympics with significantly better programmes than evgenia and sasha, who got second place...

[@goodfella1234]

@@dawncouzens659 : Zhenya's artistic talent is definitely bigger than Alina's. Alina won in 2018 for her technical difficulties NOT the artistic side. But Anya is definitely more artistic I will say. Her movements are very graceful and adhere to music.

[@letstalkaboutit3195]

yes, the trusova MALinin comparison has a difference because Malinin is indeed a man (and they have more longevity) and he has just started his career. However, we all know that if it were an USA girl doing some record-breaking jumps like the Russian girls have been doing, the American press, fans etc would react exactly the same way. I mean just look at the way they tried to push Alysa Liu (until she lost all her quads and was supper inconsistent with her 3A). There are definitely double standards going on.

[@PartlyNativePerosn]

Exactly! We just had several American Olympic athletes banned the other day. Yes, they aren't under eighteen but if you sign up to compete on the world stage you are signing up to be EQUAL with everyone else. If people really don't believe American athletes actually get banned then they need to open their eyes. I call double standards and they are finally waking up to this BS!

[@alzbeta2967]

This double standard applies to basically anything, not just figure skating and not just sport in general. USA's mentality is built on highlighting (read as overhighlighting) every single accomplishment their people make - differently said the mentality you would expect from someone who calls their country the "best in the world" -, and they do it especially when they can use it as a way to make themselves appear as the "better ones" beside those they don't like (such as Russia). They always go for the "superstar, hero, prodigy" type of story and exaggerate the reality because people there can't get enough of it.

[@letstalkaboutit3195]

@@alzbeta2967 Yeah I mean, we are tired of seeing it. If there is a bad guy/bad country, specially in movies its (Germany if its WWII) and if not its Russia or the middle eastern

[@Sisi-ep3wn]

@@alzbeta2967 I mean literally every country in this world highlights their accomplishments and hushs their failures. Propaganda isn't solely an american invention.

[@khalisi2024]

I don't agree with you at all concerning Malinin and Trusova. The difference between their achievements is not that he's going to have a longer career than she does but in men's and women's physiology. Trusova has been doing quads for 4 years now (2018-2022). It's not like she did a quad just once and then grew up and lost them. Her consistency in jumping quads is remarkable.

[@connie8261]

Me too I think Sasha has a chance to last, specially with her new coach. Lets not forget Ilia's coach ( Rafael Arutyunyan ) has said she has good technique. She does tend to prerotate but she doesn't muscle into her jumps like the other Eteri girls.

[@connie8261]

@givemea2nd absolutely. i didn’t expect her to be trying quads already but we all know she can’t be stopped

[@star-miubin]

Trusova's been doing triples before she went to Eteri, and she spent a season or so training with Plushenko. I think out of all of them, she'll last long.

[@AnnaEmilka]

It's not consistency if you depend on a small, malleable body to jump quads and destroy your body jumping them. If she can avoid that until she's 18, then I will say she's consistent.

[@kadv2172]

@@AnnaEmilka she turned 18 in June this year 😊

[@trisanatandler]

The poor girl certainly did not dope herself. The coaches, doctors, parents are mainly responsible but she still cannot be allowed to skate on. Right now they tell her she is a hero and the evil West is against her. It will hurt her psyche when they drop her. I feel sorry for her either way she is the one loosing 😓.

[@seba_pereirov]

No, she isn't poor girl, she and her parents will get a lot of money for their silence. It looks like they're okay with it.

[@seba_pereirov]

@@mifi2170 I'll have to pay through my taxes

[@goodfella1234]

She should be punished for doping. You can't just take advantage of it and benefit from using the drugs without consequences. Once illegal substances is used, it becomes a gamble, equal chance of winning or losing. You take the risks

[@dario.cangelli]

tutta questa vicenda è solo una provocazione contro la russia, c'è chi ha voluto anticipare e proseguire la guerra sul ghiaccio. Siamo alla mercè di una nazione come gli usa, xenofoba e violenta

[@Ajlez]

You know it blew my mind when I realized that the exercises I was taught as a kid in school were all designed for male bodies. I would use shortcuts to push my body to try and be as fast and as good as the boys were, but those shortcuts never used the body properly and definitely didn't tone the muscles at all, because they bypass the requirement to use muscles. Understanding that male and female bodies are different helped me feel so much better about myself, and I wish society would stop pretending it's okay to keep trying to emulate things you cannot do. Yeah, we can shortcut and cheat our way into similar actions, but it's not healthy, and we should care about ourselves more than that. Life is more fulfilling that way.

[@katharinacichini3558]

this is awful, my heart is breaking for Kamila… this is a child that was pushed into a sport by the people around her and now she has to suffer and take the blame for what those people did wrong for YEARS and they just get away with it??? tell me where this is even slightly okay…

[@jessesmith-garcia5313]

It's not okay!

[@ChristineTheHippie]

It's not. At all. Her coaches need to face consequences

[@AnnaEmilka]

@siralanlordsugar she's a literal child, even if she chose to do the sport in the beginning, she was probably coerced, manipulated and pushed so many times during her Eteri back-breaking training that it stopped being her decision a long time ago.

[@ChristineTheHippie]

@@AnnaEmilka don't bother trying to talk sense into them. The trolls, apologists and bots are out in force

[@chamallow989]

I mean, of course it's not all her fault, but have you seen how she's been behaving recently ? She's been so arrogant, claiming that she didn't care about the russian ban because all the good skaters were in russia anyway. Yes the doping part most likely isn't her fault but if I were her I would keep quiet.

[@mariiie.B]

Im sorry but i definitely dont suspect Ilia to get into 2026 because his coaching staff is letting him do crazy amounts of quads, 4-4 combos, 4A, training quints.. WITH HIS INCONSISTENCY when we have nathan who has final injury from “just” what he was doing with kinda short career

[@JS-rb4kc]

Idk it's really hard to make those assumptions so early in his senior career, but you do have to wonder how attempting 4A and doing 5+ quad programs will affect him physically in the next four years. I do hope that he does not get injured because if I'm not mistaken, Nathan did have to get hip surgery early on in his career (I think he was around the same age as Ilia actually) and that still affected him even in Beijing.

[@kristinab3838]

First of all Nathan is not competing because of injury, but because he doesn't want to. If he had won 2018 Olympics I doubt he would have continued to 2022. I think Ilia's parents have taught hin pretty perfect technique, which is why he is able to do all those jumps. His inconsistencies seem to be from landing them in competition, not having problems with them in practice. I do worry for injury, because anything can happen, and if he has a growth spurt.

[@Account-number-3587]

While i am fully supported of Ilia's 4A and all the development he brings, i am still on the fence of granted scoring just because 'he brings the sport forward' we all see what that kind of reasoning does with what happened to the eteri girls. Constant overscoring and blatant disregard of artistry aspects of the program. We all should have learned from what has happened and not unconsciously letting the situation repeated once more. This is no hate to Ilia, pls

[@makaelaischillin]

You might not say hate but it’s a blanketed attempt at backhanding him. He’s a fucking 17 year old, who has artistry at that age? Give him a break my god

[@mavel2038]

@@makaelaischillin artistry is in the sport from the beginning. Olympic skaters start as children. Artistry is not a new concept to them, it's just been pushed aside.

[@kathrinlindern2697]

@@makaelaischillin The fact that few if any 17-year-olds have artistry is the reason why the overscoring ofnthe Eteri girls and their quads harms women's skating - they don't have anyone really older than that. Ilia will be competitive for way longer - if the judging is balanced, he may need a year or two more to get to the point where he will win the big titles, but I have no doubt he'll get there - unless he gets badly injured or someone else with a quad axel beats him on artistry or technique. The latter seems unlikely during the next few years. Ilia will be 21 during his first Olympics, and I'd like him to make the best of his talent until then. Which means that he needs to be scored fairly for all aspects.

[@makaelaischillin]

@@mavel2038 Maybe but who has true Yuzuru Hanyu or Kamila Valieva artistry(because yes despite the doping Kamila had lots of artistry)? Very few and even fewer teenagers. Even Kamila’s should’ve been developed more over the years and Yuzuru’s was nowhere near perfect at 17.

[@mayloo2137]

This over emphasis on jumps, especially quads happened in the 80s and 90s. Sanity returned once the skating world returned to more balanced routines. I hope we return to that before the men's competition turns into nothing more than a jumping contest.

[@crystalevans2123]

I think that the main problem for Russian girls is puberty. When puberty sets in the body changes and develops rounder figures, which causes some weight gain. Women's Gymnastics had this problem in the 80s and 90s but were able to change techniques to allow older gymnasts to compete at a high level.

[@peanut3045]

Hopefully we’ll see the same thing happen in figure skating

[@ChristineTheHippie]

That's because the way Eteri teaches her students to jump doesn't work once they reach puberty. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva is 25 and still has all her jumps

[@tambam6744]

Fasle. It wasn’t a change in technique. It was a change in approach to training, which was defined by abuse and high numbers in the 80s and 90s. Less intense training that took the gymnast’s health into consideration prolonged the life of a gymnast’s competitive career. Also, not competing at every single competition and not competing on injuries helped extend the life of elite gymnastics careers. It has absolutely little to do with puberty.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@crystalevans2123 At the Paris Olympics, our gymnasts are WOMEN: Properly nourished, properly trained, properly coached with their physical and mental well being a must. These ladies are muscular, strong, powerful, yet perform with artistry, precision and grace. They defy gravity far better than Russia's starved, waif like figure skaters. Also: Frank Carroll taught Michelle Kwan and his proteges school figures so they could really have a handle on edging. And they've had less injuries, which weren't permanent.

[@NB-or8rs]

As one of the few straight men fan of figure skating, it was nice to be invited to the tea talk.

[@paolala]

my pleasure, thank you for being here!

[@NB-or8rs]

@@paolala ahah well, the pleasure to be here is all mine.

[@theeaterofsouls8907]

Respect to the only other one here 🤣

[@NB-or8rs]

@@theeaterofsouls8907 ahah welcome brother, here’s our sanctuary.

[@chuuu4610]

Speaking of men and longevity Oda Nobunari is back at 35 and he can jump quads. I think we all need to talk about this.

[@puffball4484]

I really think this is a matter of the technique and training of women. Not nearly enough emphasis on proper placement and strength. Emphasis is on thinness and flexibility. Same thing took over ballet 30 or so years ago. And the same effect began. Bodies breaking down earlier and earlier.

[@ElizavetaPolianitskaia]

for real? so Takahashi AND Oda are BOTH back???? is it a "professional" competition like Japan Open, or something "regular"? (don't know how to call it in English)

[@96Hopi]

The graph that you showed said: "the athletes who started and ended their adult skating carriers while Tuktamisheva has been skating"

[@alexisnotokay_1041]

Do I feel awful for Kamila? Absolutley. I don't believe it was her fault at all, she was barely 15. Do I think the ban should come into force? Also yes. Even though Eteri etc will unquestionably distance themselves from Kamila, there needs to be a decision, and there needs to be one that will at least try and show Russia that they are not an exception from the rules (even though we know that they can get away with a stupid amount) when it comes to clean sports. I feel awful that Kamila will suffer for this, and it should be the adults being punished, but to allow her to continue skating and recieve no repercussions would send an awful message to the rest of the world as to whether or not there is any integrity left in the administration of figure skating.

[@amobaleiasassassinas]

You have put this into words way better than I could’ve hoped to do myself. Great assessment

[@nondescriptbeing5944]

@@amobaleiasassassinas Right, and they definitely can’t put out the message that kids will have it easy if they dope, because other countries might take note. There should be a huge punishment for those who facilitated the doping of a child.

[@princessejana466]

Very well said!

[@irachristodoulaki4911]

Sport became corrupt like everything else in this world. The only difference is that some athletes are punished and exposed and others justified and excused. Some Americans athletes visually are drugged as hell but this is different. Sick of it!!! Rules are for all without exceptions!!!

[@shieldmaidenforchrist1310]

Not skating might be the best thing that could happen for her to be able to live a normal life without daily pain from old injuries affecting everything she ever does. If she continues with Eteri another few years, the odds are against her not having something serious with lasting effects happen to her.

[@adymlv]

It makes me so angry and sad to know that Eteri Tutberidze and her shady team most likely will come out of this with no consequences, and Kamila Valievas career is over before it even really had a chance to begin, because she won't even be recognised for the titles she actually took. Don't get me wrong, testing positive for a banned substance should mean immediate disqualification, and I agree that she shouldn't get to keep the titles she won after giving the positive sample, because banned substances are banned for a reason. It just makes me so sad that this happened to her, that the people who were responsible for her did this to her. Her SP during the 21/22-season is absolutely beautiful, and I would have loved to see what she could have done if she'd had coaches who were interested in training skaters in a way that allows them to continue past the age of 18.

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

She's already reached eteri expiration date. So the ban just allows her not to "retire"

[@polinamakarchuk4316]

Hey, that’s so harsh to say about a human being

[@daria5846]

@@polinamakarchuk4316 He is not wrong tho.

[@gl540]

@@polinamakarchuk4316 to eteri, these girls are disposable that they can replace once one "expires"

[@mavel2038]

@@mifi2170 and at what consequence? Lifelong permanent injuries and daily pain.

[@direksmit9661]

Kamila is adult! she had 5 heart medication on top of the illegal one! she is not innocent!

[@figureskatingmess]

OMG as a Swede, when you said Alexia was Swedish, I screamed NOOOOO!!! 😂

[@randymoats2059]

Getting tired of this myself.Take away her Olympics medal and leave Kamila alone. This little lady didn't dope herself stop torturing her.

[@geroldgrolms6292]

Agreed !

[@honeybobmarley1755]

History will repeat itself If they don't punish her and her coaching team.

[@LeCharles07]

@@honeybobmarley1755 This. At least one head has to roll to set the example.

[@godzeelaraaawr1664]

WADA wants none of Rusada BS and I am here for it.

[@nl887]

But wada are also being ridiculous cause 4 years is ridiculous barely any athletes get 4 years. In the end they need to punish the adults

[@sophien.1422]

@@nl887 They're only suggesting 4 years, knowing that it's unlikely she'll actually get that much.

[@godzeelaraaawr1664]

@@nl887 They are not going to ban her for that long, it is just the max she can get for her first offense. However, I agree with you, they need to punish the adults as well.

[@benbailey159bb]

@@nl887 Others who got a shorter ban admitted it. Those who try to decieve get longer bans.

[@nl887]

@@benbailey159bb that still doesn't change the fact that a minor shouldnt be getting 4 year

[@halfbloodprincess989]

My heart breaks for Camilia, she's getting punished not the adults that'd deserve it. The only way she could get out of that is to talk about _who gave her the drugs,_ as she might get off if they forced her to dope. However, I don't think she'll spill the beans.

[@SoundShinobiYuki]

Seeing how Russia treats whistleblowers, I can’t see her doing it unless a 16-year-old feels like defecting and living under a new identity forever to not end up “mysteriously missing”. 😢

[@direksmit9661]

Kamila is adult! she had 5 heart medication on top of the illegal one! she is not innocent!

[@halfbloodprincess989]

@@direksmit9661 She is 16 years old, 15 when she tested positive, not an adult.

[@gypsyfirefly8009]

Nothing surprises me that Russian coaches do to their students. Its beyond selfish.

[@Clover_008]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but quads aren't that great to me, I'm sorry y'all😭🫠 in regards to the science behind them it's truly amazing what people are able to achieve, especially with a quad axel, but it just doesn't do if for me compared to the artistry. Happy for both him and Yuzuru of course because it's an insane thing to do, literally before deemed impossible, so I could only imagine their elation. Of course the same for Trusova with all her quad accomplishments and all the others landing them. It just to me seems like the push for these things leads to the decline in artistry being equally appreciated and/or unfair scoring

[@mayloo2137]

I remember this happening in the 90s, and I don't want to see the men's competition becoming about how many quads a skater can perform again.

[@aoitakumi9081]

Its just more common in women category and I don't know why. I honestly enjoy watching skaters do their routines regardless of their jumps

[@rox2183]

In my opinion the 4 years ban is right. Carolina Kostner was disqualified from competion for I don't know how many years because her boyfriend was caught doping and the arbitration decided to ban her too because they thought she was somehow involved. She never tested positive. Actions need to be taken against athletes who are caught doping, and Kamila is one of them, I just hope they will also take action against Eteri's team.

[@primalcritters]

Carolina was an adult when that happened and I don't even agree with that decision. That said this is absolutely ridiculous. Kamila is one of the most talented skaters in the world. This is a travesty to figure skating to punish a young girl for the mistakes of her coaches or whoever the hell made her do that. Looking at her programs from a young age, she does not need any drugs to be as remarkable as she is

[@rox2183]

@@mifi2170 no one said that she should go to prison, actions need to be taken against people who are caught doping, and the 4 year ban in MY OPINION is right. You can't just let someone live without any consequences to their action, Kamila is not an exception.

[@rox2183]

@@primalcritters It doesn't matter if Carolina was an adult or not, she said many times that she was not involved and they banned her anyway, even though she never tested positive. I agree, Kamila is a great skater, and I'm not saying she is not. But let's face, she tested positive for doping, it is a big deal, actions need to be taken against people who are caught using those substances and she is not an exception. Also if you read all of my comment in the last part I said that the arbitration should also investigate and take actions against Eteri's team as well.

[@Maureenb5868]

​@@mifi2170 an adult failed Kamiela. Kostner did lie for her boyfriend but she said she was unaware of his doping.

[@awuma]

As well as Ilia, there's also Isabeau... both training in the Russian tradition (earlier there were Sasha Cohen and Polina Edmunds).

[@nesbitation]

You say that Ilia's 4A is ok cause based on stats and facts men can sustain these jumps. Excuse me, what kind of stats confirm that men can sustain 4A or what kind of men you talking about if Ilia is the first man to perform it? eh?

[@awesxmeasfxck]

the only people who can physically attempt quads are men and teenage girls from russia. The men who can jump quads are usually more grown and train in countries that don’t deteriorate the body thru training. Based on all this we can make a reasonable guess that Ilia and any other men who land quads can sustain them and a 4A MUCH better and longer than russian girls and really anyone else. However I personally think Ilia should slow down so as not to hurt himself by over training especially since he’s still a bit inconsistent with some of his jumps.

[@nesbitation]

@@awesxmeasfxck firstly ilia is a teenager too. Secondly u say it like 4A is just like all other quads but it’s not. It’s another level of difficulty. Thirdly I would like to tell you a secret that professional sport is impossible without deteriorating the body. There is no professional athlete that can avoid injuries. 5. “Men who can land quads can sustain quads and 4A much better and longer” - ilia is the first and the only person at the moment who can perform 4A. Based on what data you say that man can sustain 4A without consequences if it’s like a few moths since it was performed for the first time ever. Please don’t compare it to other quads cause if it was the same thing it would be performed much earlier.

[@makaelaischillin]

@@nesbitation Your last line makes no sense. Axel Paulson, Ulrich Salchow, all those old 1910s legends could’ve jumped quads, after all there was nothing that was invented that made quads possible, just people starting to train them. The reason the 4axel was never done before Ilia. was because hardly anyone trained it

[@cantikaramadhanti5333]

Kind of very late but what is said is that compared between women quads (specifically trained under wrong technique) and men quads, men will definitely have a bit longer (maybe 2 to 3 years extra) career but cannot say they can have 11+ years career if they keep 4A all the time (theoretically) because just by men anatomy is very different from women so it's understandable when men do quads (with proper techniques), they have a chance of 5 years worth of career but can still doing quads but again just like any professional athletes, injuries will never be 0% and anything can happen. Women in anatomy are definitely more complex and fragile and that's why women in quads are more difficult and have higher risk injuries. So doing quads for both men and women will always be risky

[@astrinymris9953]

The IOC should never have allowed any Russian teams to compete at all. Everyone views ROC victories as Russian victories, Russian flag or not. It's not a real punishment, and it manifestly didn't stop the doping. Kamila Valieva is proof of that! The only way to stop the doping is to deny Russia the rewards they're seeking by doping. And that means maintaining the ban, without granting Russia any loopholes like competing under a slightly different name. Is it unfair to the athletes? Yes. But allowing Russia to continue competing cheats every athlete who played clean, and lost medals because of Russian athletes using performance-enhancing substances to take them. And the coaches of underage athletes with positive doping tests should also be subject to the exact same ban as the athlete in question. If Valieva is truly to be seen as a "protected person" due to her age, then Eteri Tutberidze is the person who should have been protecting her... and should suffer penalties for her dereliction of duty.

[@jtjr26]

The athlete has been found guilty and should be punished. However as she was a minor and not an adult she should not be the only one to bear responsibility for this. I think her coaches and Russian officials should bear the responsibility equally. Banning Tutberidze and her staff for the same amount of time would be fair because there is no way they did not know what was going on given the control over the skaters they have. Also I think the judging should be tightened up so even it a skaters pulls off a big jump sequence, if they are under-rotating they should be punished not rewarded in the scoring.

[@mht4908]

I feel horrible for Kamila, this is a lose-lose situation no matter what the final decision is. Letting her keep her gold medal would mean that the Tutberidze team has gotten away with doping, and it sends a message that Russians can continue their ways like they did for the past few years. Taking the medal away is basically punishing Kamila for something she probably wasn't even aware of, and it's heartbreaking if that happens. However, rules are rules, and this shouldn't be any exception. Just because for example a theft crime was committed by a kid that has no understanding of their actions doesn't make it not illegal

[@lauren1779]

On a russian channel lately they were making fun of Sasha because she "looks fatter" UMMMMMM i was SO ANGRY . Im so happy for Trusova getting out of that toxic enviroment i really hope she is taking care of herself now! Im def fed up that Kamila is getting away with cheating im with everyone when i say the child needs to learn and she needs to face up to what shes done and what shes been exosed to. I wish health for all of them

[@dalek1147]

5:43 They included Tuktamisheva because the title is "Figure skaters who had begun and completed senior career, while Tuktamisheva has been skating". The point is Liza is still competing. Sorry for grammar

[@YVM3311]

I wonder as this happens you have Evgeni Plushenko starting slowly a new camp with young’s skaters doing really well and working different technique which clearly worked over decades for him. His wife has publicly noted they want to develop athletes with long careers like his husband… sort of a slap with white glove . But I hope they’re allowed to compute internationally soon again and that this situation is narrowed to the ones at fault only and doesn’t affect others

[@skylergreen8958]

They aren’t allowed to perform internationally not because of the doping, but because Russia is committing barbaric war crimes in Ukraine and shouldn’t be allowed to events with the rest of the civilized world.

[@selfmasterycentral]

Kamila Valieva DID NOT have a positive doping test at the Olympics. All her Olympics doping tests are clean. We are talking about December’s 2021 test. Author, please get all facts straight.

[@Chastaken]

It doesn't change anything since doping is always forbidden, not only in competitions

[@goodfella1234]

yeah she took the drugs during Olympic qualifying competitions.

[@WES6666]

Yes, but a Russian sports article came out saying that she had only been tested once throughout the entire season. I could be wrong but she tested positive for the only anti-doping test she did.

[@queens6583]

No drugs at anytime! No exceptions!

[@shirleymueller9456]

The test results were announced while she was competing at the Olympics.

[@raoubveugelles]

WHEN will Eteri finally be banned from doing what she does? This is the thing that should have been investigated long ago!

[@garotadagavea]

Inquiring minds want to know...

[@denalowry8710]

Eteri technique under and pre rotation causing severe injuries. Malinin proper jumping technique

[@Elong.]

Ilia is kind of the Simone Biles of the skating world. He does such a difficult jump that other skaters won’t attempt it. Simone pushed her sport so much the FIG refused to credit her eponymous skills as high in fear that others would try it. Other gymnasts don’t bother though because it’s crazy hard. (I’m a former gymnast can you tell😂)

[@clodaghdressler5633]

other skaters definitely attempt the jump. Yuzuru Hanyu attempted one at the olympics

[@mayloo2137]

There is more to a skating program than just the difficulty of your jumps. I haven't been following the more recent men's and ladies competitions because I want to see more than quad jumps, and little girls doing adult routines

[@Elong.]

@@mayloo2137 i don’t like skaters that are just jumpers but it’s a good way to make points if that’s all you got.

[@matthewhines9787]

I don't know anyone who think Ilia automatically has first place because of the quad axel. Saying Malinin would automatically win if he lands all his jumps clean is like saying Trusova won't be beat if she lands all her jumps. Obviously it's not true. If a skater with great skating skills and line and musicality and technique, and programs that were artistic and sophisticated and entertaining went out and skated clean with 2 or 3 quads...I think he'd win. If Jason Brown had 2 clean 3axels and 2 clean 4salchows, I think he'd beat Malinin. Or at least he should. Malinin is where Kulik was in 1995.

[@anelieseliskar8538]

why are you always saying sasha isn't artistic, that is not true they just don't give her that kind of programs

[@TheReneex]

It's a very sad period in ladies figure skating. After being tested with drugs, Kamila valieva's dopring scandal, truly tarnished the 2022 Olympic figure skating event and cost her the gold in the ladies single event. When we look back at the 2021 season leading towards the Olympics, Kamila was skating with literally no injuries. While her team mates including Scherbakova, Trusova, Kostornaya and Usecheva were all subjected to injuries. She cotinually dominated every event she entered and consistently smashed record breaking scores that defied gravity. One has to wonder if the drugs that she was offered played any role in her performances even then? Nevertheless, Kamila, was treated like a hero in Russia despite the damage in which her positive doping test cost her fellow Russian teammates. She is a victim no doubt. Due to her age and the fact that her adult enterouge, including coach Tutberidze, her mother and doctor all let her down by making her a scapegoat for their greedy ambitions!

[@TheFreeSkate]

So this obviously goes deeper than 1 skater. This ban can’t stop at Kamila. It needs to send adults behind it to jail. Not just a ban. Eteri, the Dr., Danil etc . Who knows how many are in this scheme.

[@LeCharles07]

How about all Russian athletes? The IOC let them compete under a neutral flag but they were still Russian. It's time to ban them all.

[@ElizavetaPolianitskaia]

@@LeCharles07 I sincerely wish you, personally you, to be banned from your beloved job, that you've been doing for decades, just because you have a "wrong" passport and no matter if you, personally you, are cheating or not :)

[@lunahorse67]

As a swiss person, I saw the switzerland / sweden mixup coming, still hurt, though.

[@erikahansen6959]

I feel like that if figure skating wants to be considered a legit sport, the technical part needs to be factored more. But I also agree that proper technique needs to be rewarded and higher deductions given for those who don’t do it right. I’ve also been saying for a long time that other components need to be given more weight. Like spins…again with proper technique. I’m tired of watching shitty slow spins. And for women, can we bring back the better laybacks and spirals? Those are things that really separate the good from the great. Force skaters to focus on other things besides just the jumps.

[@jinlee181]

Shcherbakova will be president of Russia one day. Or at least foreign minister. Seriously, without the russian women/girls, the women's grand prix is in essence the junior varsity.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

funny, kids cant consent to sex with adults, can't drink, smoke, can't work as many hours as adults, not old enough to join army to die for country but can some how consent to drugs lol probably highly encouraged by her coach. adults in any situation that encourage any of this are held responsible. the kid is ALWAYS the victim who was pushed in the situation.

[@TheStarflight41]

So true

[@jakobmax3299]

I dont think Ilia need the quint. He already has the quad axel clean and getting landed double quads(though slightly underrotated). With that kind of technical elements going for the quint is a bad idea. The best way he can improve his scores is better choreography and integration of his double quads and axel.

[@trisanatandler]

Honestly if the 2nd one proves she is clean they would tell everyone....

[@krishi24012]

Really really off topic but I’m so happy Alexandra has a new coach and that 5hey are getting together

[@xxTobari]

I think 4 years is too harsh, because she is still quite young. I'd say 2 years would be ok. And also - Eteri, the coaches, medical staff and her parents should be investigated and coaches should face serious consequences. I'm sure 15-year old girl did not research, buy and dose herself with this kind of medication. But I suspect they will throw her under the bus and move on to another young skater :( edit: spelling

[@direksmit9661]

Kamila is adult! she had 5 heart medication on top of the illegal one! she is not innocent!

[@xxTobari]

@@direksmit9661 I didn't say she was innocent, I think she deserves the punishment. But I think more blame should be put on the coaches, because I'm sure they pressured her to do it. And yes, she still did it.

[@silyu5029]

I would like to start out to say that I am a fan of Alexandra Trusova (so I might be biased). How often do you see a 13 year old say she will prove that woman can do as well as man in a sport ( NOT VERY OFTEN). She is very inspiring!!!! So when you question her "pushing the sport forward at the expense of her career", I did not like that. Let's just be clear, many people push sports/knowledge/teams/countries forward at the expense of their health. Sure, we would love to have a safe, healthy way of doing it. But before that safe Healthy way is invented, someone has to show people that it can be done. that it is not impossible!!!! Maybe the way Alexandra Trusova is doing Quads is not the most healthy, but that doesn't make her any less great! now that she has proven that it can be done, it is up to others to show that it can be done in a healthy way, to push for the impossible. What differs a professional Athlete from a regular sport lover, is the desire to push beyond what has been done in the past. Also, Alexandra Trusova is still not retired yet. the girls who retire early in the Russian camp did not do the quad. let's speak of this after she retire. Thanks

[@cosmos9688]

Wow. Taking away all her titles after 12/25/21. WADA be asking Santa for justice as their Christmas gift.

[@stevebbuk]

It's about time these issues were openly discussed: the pressure of the quad jump diminishing the longevity of the skaters, the temptation to use illicit drugs, the corrupt scoring system meant to replace the scandal of Salt Lake City 2002.

[@egrs94]

let’s be real valieva will already be permanently injured before 2026 anyway :/

[@CaraMarie13]

Am glad you pointed that out about Ilia. Ilia has time to develop his style and find who he wants to be on the ice. These things take time and those Russian girls don't have time. Ilia has the benefit of having strong technical abilities so just like Nathan, this gives him the ability to not have to conform to any trend and put himself out there like he wants. And i do hope he uses this opportunity to do something new because I still cannot believe that almost a decade after lyrics were allowed in musical selections we keep getting variations of the same sh** every season.

[@유유-y6m]

I don’t get it . All the people defending Kamilia acting like she was forced or manipulated into it. Maybe she wanted to do it you have no way of knowing. Just because she’s a minor doesn’t mean she’s stupid and it doesn’t mean she can’t tell right from wrong. She still gotta take the consequences for her actions.

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

2:10 hey, thanks for the inclusion! Straight man here :) Tbh I kind of fell into this rabbit hole by accident. Was watching the Winter Olympics live, out of boredom, and found the sport intriguing. Then there was the trainwreck disaster ending and I went full research mode. Developed a soft spot for Anna Shcherbakova after combing through her career/seeing how much sh*t she took prior to winning that gold, and have followed the subject since. Way more drama involves than I ever expected 🤣

[@samaona9566]

I bet my balls, she won't get 4 years ban.

[@geroldgrolms6292]

I hope so much that you will win your bet. I admit I am selfish. I just cannot bear the thought of missing her in future competitions. I still think she is the best and most charming figure skating lady of all times.

[@mayloo2137]

@@geroldgrolms6292 and how long have you watched figure skating to judge the Kamila is the greatest female skater? I've been watching since the early 70s.

[@geroldgrolms6292]

@@mayloo2137 Since I first saw Ina Bauer. Guess when that was....

[@mayloo2137]

@@geroldgrolms6292 there have many graceful skaters since Bauer. It's purely subjective even if you know about the proper technique.

[@geroldgrolms6292]

@@mayloo2137 Dear May Loo, you ara damn right. My opinion is purely subjective. So what ? I am getting the impression that you just want to rub your itching ass on the next tree.

[@stephenMc-b1j]

Katarina Witt back in the late 80,s Olympic career lasted about 4 years but she went on to have a very successful professional career as an entertainer and show skater which is what these young skaters are most likely hoping to achieve .

[@miristunglaublichlangweili9899]

Great video as always. Just a little correction: Kamila’s doping test wasn’t positive at the Olympics, but at a prior competition. I think it was one of the Grand Prix stages.

[@lumpyspacecadet]

No, it was a Russian Nationals. This whole thing is going so slow and being stalled by RUSADA because the doping was discovered at the RusFed's own event in their own country. That's also why they simply swept the results of the test under the rug and just let her join the Olympic team, which they should not have done.

[@strategosisaev8746]

@@lumpyspacecadet не ври,у русада,нет акридетации,wada специально задержала результаты проб,на целых два месяца.

[@haileej7100]

I dont understand why the Russian girls especially Trusova (and in the past Alina) were bashed and bullied online constantly for having no artistry whereas Nathan Chen and many many western skaters lack artistry greatly. However Nathan is celebrated as a hero and someone who pushed the sport. Its so incredibly hypocritical that Americans and fans of the west are praising Nathan but treating the Russian Girls like utter shit. U cant deny how Nathan and many americans have incorrect edges at times but no only the russians get criticised. Whether you like their coaches or not you cant take away their accomplishments and the fact that they were all still children when they were bullied by the whole word. Hell even Alysa Liu was applauded for trying out 3as and quads at 13 but Trusova and Alina’s amazing consecutive 3lz 3 loops? Yeah you know what happened. Im not pro-russia. Im just pro-being fair and not an asshole especially to young girls

[@2ndviolin]

Doping should be allowed. However, any medals gained should be handed out 4 years later on the condition that the athlete is still alive, and can mount the podium unassisted.

[@EE-iw3fy]

It's kinda sad some of these skaters go down in history but then when you look at their skating and the jumping technique, you're just disappointed. Whenever I watch someone like Carolina Kostner, Kim Yuna, Mao Asada and Yuzuru Hanyu, I'm reminded of HOW beautiful skating can be, that it literally can give you goosebumps and tears of joy, just jumping around excited and be SO into the program, your eyes GLUED to the Skater. With the russians it's mostly just ... Yeah... She did that alright, oh cool she can do that jump... Where is the technique though? Oh okay that was actually beautiful... But what it that? *unconciously drifts off* oh wait I wanted to watch the program Idk... It's just sad that this kind of skating is officially top tier now.

[@makaelaischillin]

Hey at least Ilia has amazing jumping technique, and he’s working on his artistry :)

[@angelinadelBuey1]

Couldn't agree more

[@EE-iw3fy]

@@makaelaischillin I know, I was more talking about the ladies^^ bc for a little while I´ve just been enjoying the mens competitions more, especially in the better groups. But with the ladies... it´s the opposite cause there were all these russian girls

[@mayloo2137]

I'm in Canada. I've watched enough Canadian skating commentary over the decades that I've learned to judge skaters on their technique better.

[@feyza7928]

I also know how corrupt Eteri team is but guys you need to understand that WADA don't give a shit about that, substance was found in Kamila's blood, Kamila is the guilty one. If she is going to claim that she's innocent, then she has to leave Eteri's team and reveal what's going on. If she's not going to do that, again i don't say this to judge or hate, but she's guilty and she'll be the one to blame. And again, I do know how corrupt Eteri's team is and it's not all about Kamila herself, but she's guilty and she'll be the one who's going to pay for it

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

there's a lot of money and reputations on the line, an entire country. you think they will play nice and let you 'reveal' them? they will threaten the livelihood and lives of your family. this isnt your at home quarrels with family members where kids tell on each other and someone loses their tv privileges lmfao

[@sadie6141]

I think they already took the national title away for the one that was held 12/2021

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

An athlete, especially a growing one, needs proper nourishment. Keeping them on a liquid diet & even depriving them of water makes the bones and muscles more vulnerable to serious injuries. The 12 hour a day, overtraining practices causes the muscles and sinews to detach from the bones. That's why weight lifters can't work out for more than 2 hours a day. An athlete needs protein for the muscles, calcium for the bones and carbohydrates the day before a competition for energy. It sounds like they're not getting nearly enough calories. Overtraining and under nourishing is not only child abuse, it's cheating. The feeding regiment Eteri keeps her athletes on destroys the individual. I'm outraged how her methods break perfectly good athletes physically and mentally, and when they sustain serious injuries or enter puberty, she just throws them away. They love the gift, but not the gifted one. Such appalling conditions must stop. Look what happened to Yulia. You don't do this to people! I suggest getting everything Jack LaLane has written and videod regarding exercise and strength training. He knew what he was doing. He lived a healthy lifestyle for 96 years & I believe swam the English Channel to celebrate his 90th birthday. He remained fit and sharp until the day God called him home. If I were there, I'd give Kamila a hug. 😢😢😢❤️

[@thefunkaholics9276]

It was very sad to watch and hear. It’s just not fair that this young, strong, determined and talented girl will pay for the ambitions of other people…of course it’s not just about her team, it’s about the whole doping policy in the country which is literally supported by the government..poor girl, it breaks my heart 😢

[@restingsadface]

pls make a whole video about Alexandra Trusova!

[@goodfella1234]

What's new and interesting with Trusova now besides her very public love life?

[@aeternyx]

no, leave her alone

[@lindatannock]

If they don't make an example out of Kamila, doping will continue at that camp. Banning her will protect future (and present) skaters from being harmed too. JMO. Although she's a protected person and I feel sorry for her, i do think any doping should be handled with a firm hand. The team most definitely should be investigated thoroughly.

[@br0wnsug3h]

Ban the entirety of Russia for 10 years. That is what was suggested after the Sochi coverup was unearthed. Shame IOC was too busy thinking of money/sponsors.

[@rora8503]

It is shocking how they let Kamila compete in the first place. Because she is a protected person, they should have ensure she doesn't compete or train on medication. There is a reason why doping it isn't just for fairness. It is because doping can damage you health in the long run by the side effects or in the short run because training when you body is past the limit increses your risk of injury! As a protected person that is what she should have been protected from.

[@geni_genn3555]

In my opinion. Any potential olympic contenders should be tested and examined months prior to the event to avoid a scandal. If not for the sake of all the athletes combined to have a beautiful experience at the Olympics then for the safety of the athletes mental health. I personally don’t agree with blasting a teenage girl. I don’t agree with cheating or doping. But I feel this could have been avoided if the build up to the Olympics was taken as serious as the event it’s self. When the results came in on the athlete, She should have been removed from the event and kept out of the social media and protected at all cost. Any athlete who is caught cheating should not be aloud to compete. The Olympics committee should have removed the underage girl from the event. Not allow her to embarrass herself on the biggest stage of her life. The decision for Kamila to skate should not have been left in hers or her coaches hands if they had proof of doping. Any athlete who tested positive for Covid-19 was not aloud to compete. Why wasn’t this the same outcome for a positive doping test?

[@highnetworthwomeninstitute4572]

I'm sorry this is happening to Valieva, but a ban for four years on her is necessary to send a message to the Russian Figure Skating Federation that their BS will not be tolerated any longer. I honestly believe it's not in her best interest to return to competitive figure skating in Russia. It could destroy her. I hope she will go to another country where she can be treated like a human being and not a jumping medal-winning robot.

[@ElizavetaPolianitskaia]

they don't care. this message will be ignored, as always. banning of Eteri will be a louder signal.

[@arditaferrari3546]

Why they don't raise age limits for competing? After 17 it's almost an even playing field...

[@TheEmmaSmith]

As always, much of what you say in these videos is false or completely out of context. Since I care about the subject I'll mark these moments so people know what not to believe. 1:28 - "having a positive dope test at the olympics" - wrong, Kamila's tests during Beijing games were always clean, her positive test was in December 2021. 6:13 - none of the girls of this "recent crop" as you mention have yet announced the end of their careers, so the way you present this to your audience is totally miss leading into something very far from the reality 7:36 - "it has been statistically proven by a russian press media" - wrong my dear, russian press articles don't prove anything of what you are trying to assume 7:54 - Kostornaia never broke her arm while skating but falling from the stairs, I recommend you search her recent interviews about this subject and stop at once to try to blame this on her coach or coaching methods (and no, I'm not an Eteri fan at all, but spreading false information is just wrong) 8:30 - again, you are assuming Anna and Kostornaia finished their careers when they didn't These fan videos are great but don't let them fool you with everything it is said here. When in doubt, always look for information on your own and check the facts by yourself.

[@dalek1147]

Kostornaia said she has broken both arms at training, where did the stairs come ftom?

[@TheEmmaSmith]

@@dalek1147 she gave an interview where she talks about it, and was not long ago. I'm pretty sure I saw it either on telegram or youtube, but it is in russian, so i'm not sure it is automatically translated. She says she broke her arm where she trains but on some stairs, she even mentions the skaters that were there and helped her out. Saying she got injured DURING practice is just wrong and is a clear attempt of spreading lies.

[@dalek1147]

@@TheEmmaSmith она сама ранее говорила, и тоже в интервью, что акселя на спор прыгала, а про лестницу ни слова. Стало быть, на самой тренировке она только одну руку сломала? Люди просто не поспевают за её интервью, не могу их винить

[@sohaiblaglil4605]

since russia is already banned from isu compititions it doesn't really matter what gonna happened in kamila's case but i hope to see her on the ice as max as possible

[@UsernamesForDummies]

What I find really sad is, that watching Kamila now makes me really uncomfortable. She is an amazing skater, but I can’t help but wonder continuously whether all the great things I see are due to her being doped. Her short at the Europeans is hauntingly beautiful and basically perfect - but definitely tainted.

[@REA999]

Exactly; I can't even watch replays of her skating anymore because of the whole situation. Doping and big jumps aside, she really does have artistic talent on the ice (and amazing spins!). I only like her programs last season because she elevates any program her team gives her, even when it's not that great itself. Such a waste 😞

[@ChristineTheHippie]

And she's supposed to be under suspension. It's like letting a child go out and party when they're grounded. Russia is playing games with everyone else

[@primalcritters]

Please watch her girl on The Ball performance Junior championship. She is phenomenal. You can even go back in time and watch her as little girl. You can see the way she moves her legs and body. I did figure skating and my friend did competitive figure skating and both of us have analyzed her. She has incredible control for core. She has great ballet training. You can remove every jump from her program and she would still bring you to tears with her movements. She is stunning to watch and one of the most naturally talented dancers and figure skaters I've ever seen.

[@primalcritters]

And consider this, if they doped her then they doped all the Russian girls in that camp. Kamila is still Leaps and Bounds Above the Rest

[@xxTobari]

@@primalcritters Yes, I have to agree with you. Kamilla was the best out of the bunch so coaches wanted to make sure she was always perfect. Such a shame, because this girl did not need any doping :( she has the spark and the talent! And yes, I think every Eteri girl was doped, but how much did they give Kamila that it still showed up on test results? So, so sad :(

[@rgribbonqueen]

I don't know why olympic athletes are not tested offiically periodically leading up to the event like say every month for the year running up to it that way it would be more fair to eliminate problems like this for the sake of the athlete as well so they can compete fairly without being disqualified afterwards which is a lot for a girl to handle emotionally

[@KateKabrinsky]

Actually, they are tested before any competition. This is nosense that a positive test appeared before the Olympics

[@rgribbonqueen]

maybe they thought she was too similar to scherbakova

[@rgribbonqueen]

that her athleticism wasn’t individual enough and it’s unfair for other competitors or something

[@nataliasaenz7454]

I still don't understand how Russians think of her as a hero. Like cmon

[@iamsoverybored878]

Let there's a lady in one of their prisons right now serving 9 years for having a little pot on her position. I guess it's ok to dope if you are a pretty white Russian girl.

[@lumpyspacecadet]

Gaslighting.

[@legitlyspelunking]

Propaganda 🙃

[@goodfella1234]

They are lying to themselves

[@JLCRH]

I hope Malinin stops calling himself a God. Its too much.

[@Corita93]

Malinin in 2022 is comparable to Trusova in 2018 - at this moment it can't be said whether quad Axel for men will be the same as generally consistent quads for women: pushing the sport, but available only for the young and requiring training that shortens careers. When Trusova landed quad, only Lipnitskaya already retired and Medvedeva was still figthing to stay. It was pushing the sport further and there was not enough evidence that their method is so harmful. Now we know, because we saw this cycle of young Tutberidze skater doing genious things and then failing as they get slightly older again and again with Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva, Tursynbaeva, Kostornaia. Zagitova quit at the right moment and Shcherbakova most likely did the same now. Only Trusova is still fighting and Malinin could be an exception like her. We'll see in next couple of years.

[@akhenatenshat]

I've said it before and I will say it again, Kamila cannot be the only one responsible for this. Like what if they just put those meds in something she was eating or drinking and she didn't even know? It's most likely the doctors told her to take them and she just did it without understanding what the meds are or what they do. I don't think she would willingly dope and cheat to win. She should face some repercussions, I agree with that. Whatever medals she won while on the three medications found in her system, strip those for sure, that would be more than deserved. It is very hard for me to look at this adorable, hamster cheeked kid and say, "Oh yeah, she totally made the decision to take those medications of her own volition with no influence whatsoever." Yeah, absolutely not. What I would like to see, is for a nonbiased agency to finally look into Tutberidze, because let's be honest, something ain't right. I've been here since the Yulia in Sochi 2014 days and that's when I fell in love with the Russian ladies to boot. My girl retired not long after due to injuries and ANOREXIA. LIKE WHAT. She's living her best life with her daughter now though, and I am very happy for her. But excuse me??? Alyona talked about Camp Crazy a bit in interviews after and I thoroughly enjoyed laughing as she shaded the f out of them, but I do wish she'd said more or that Zhenya had spoken out about it more. I genuinely think that the only way we'd hear about how it is for the Eteri girls is if Zhenya or Alyona speak out. Alyona just doesn't give a crap (love her, huge fan) and Zhenya (absolute queen, my favorite in every sense of the word) is well-established and very well loved and I don't think she'd face too much backlash. Honestly, this whole disaster is more sad to me than anything. I truly love Kamila very much and I always enjoy when she skates. She's such an adorable young woman with a great personality and watching her struggle through the free program, which they should not have allowed her to skate, was hard. These kids from the Eteri camp know they have one shot at Olympics or a few big international comps before they're tossed aside for the next girls' bodies to be used and then thrown away like trash. And now that Russia is not allowed in international comps, it narrows down their career timeline. Everyone knows that the Russian training regiment under Eteri is rough and taxing. And I think everyone knows, whether they admit it or not, that these girls are not treated as they should be. The health problems that Eteri girs face CONSISTENTLY is so questionable. BAN THE F OUT OF ETERI AND CO! I'd like to see them gone for a bit, see what these girls can do when they don't have to worry about the wrath of Eteri or their health. ZHENYA SKATED THE OLYMPICS ON A FRACTURE! And I know other Eteri girls have also been made to skate on injuries. Anya just had surgery recently. It's honestly madness and I would like to see Eteri knocked down a few pegs. Lord knows her massive ego needs it. Figure skating is an ARTISTIC sport, and the only recent girl I've seen actually perform in such a way is Zhenya Medvedeva. I would like to see the sport go back to what it used to be, with more performance, emotion, and artistry than whatever the Russian Robot Factory has turned it into.

[@rsalvador]

They said “What’s good?” LMAO 😂

[@schwarzroterose]

Eteri and her team should be investigated and banned as well, not just Kamila. They should look at all the skaters out of Team Eteri and what has happened with them down the line - eating disorders, serious back injuries, etc. Ou how I wish I could get on the Malinin boat, but yet here I am. He is all technical, no artistry and very much Nathan 2.0, just you know white and clearly pushed a lot harder sooner (I do not remember Nathan having gotten the same attention pre Pyeongchang, but I am happily wrong. However his artistic lacking was talked about a lot more and he was pushed to develop). Also Malinin benefits from the fact that he had endless video data to do the quad, because well Yuzuru Hanyu. Sorry, but it is known that his videos and technical ability is used to teach younger skaters so it isn't much of a reach. Malinin is not like Trusova, agreed, but if his whole thing is to save his ass with a 4A then...I mean Trusova saved her ass with jumps so I see why the comparison exists. Add to that Malinin please work on your knee bend, I beg of you. Honestly this is his first senior season and I wouldn't start talking about how he is pushing the sport - the 4A has been a discussion for so long, he didn't bring it to the table. What I have seen of him he needs a lot of artistic development, media training and stability only then I see him go beyond 2026. If we reward him solely for the 4A till 2026 Torino, then we won't see him beyond that as he will have all the titles and praise and nothing to spur him on.

[@foteini-6008]

Honestly I only watch ice skating during the big events (Europeans, world, olympics) but I am so here for the drama.

[@lauracynthia7175]

kamilia isn’t going to last 4 years, they need to punish eteri for christs sake

[@LexieHartsYew]

This is technically these athletes job. If me, or anyone really were to take a random drug test for their job, and tested positive for anything they test for, the job would probably fire you immediately. Your job won’t care how it happened, who gave it to you, or if you were unknowingly drugged, they just see you have tested positive. Why should this be any different, just because Kaliva may not have specifically known, she still tested positive whereas Alexandria who could do the same level of skills did not. It’s a sad situation, but rules are rules, and it’s not considered pushing the sport if you have to take banned substances in order to push the sport.

[@amobaleiasassassinas]

Fair judgement

[@Vortex20000]

Wrong judgement...

[@charlottelpn4613]

Not at all

[@khalisi2024]

I don't agree

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

@@khalisi2024 why is a ban not fair? I'd love to hear your opinion.

[@Vortex20000]

Not 4 years for a pill , this a first-time doping and she is "protected person" ... 1 years is enough .... she deserve a second chance ...

[@akhenatenshat]

also, WHY DOES A 15 YEAR OLD NEED TO BE DOPING???!!! HUH??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She's 15!!!!!!!!!!!! That is actual insanity

[@bethm5791]

Why isn’t her COACH banned. I love that she’s being blamed. Something tells me she didn’t take this on her own. Luckily Russia is banned period right now. Hopefully that continues.

[@celinegarcia4158]

Yes! Consequences have to happen. Not just on paper but duly enforced. Yes its a pity about Kamila and the adults around her must be punished too. This is a double edged sword for athletes young or old, gullible or innocent or ambitious who swallow a pill to move themselves forward because cheating is cheating and whatever merits you have are all dubious and suspect from thereon. Damned if they swallow pills and damned if they don't because they will get kicked out of the team. Lesson to Kamila and every athlete out there skate but don't swallow any cheat pill. I applaud WADA but where was that same determination when Maria Sharapova cheated. Her grandslam titles should've been taken away too! A cheat is a cheat no matter what the sport. And the best reason why Kamila needs punishment is to uphold honesty and integrity in sports. Think about athletes who work hard to be their best the old fashioned way. Let team USA and Team JAPAN get their olympic medals. Enough already they did the hard work they deserve their medals.

[@annehancock6734]

I have noticed some of Kamila’s fans, are blaming this all on the “ mean ole jealous Americans” , who have no chance against Kamila, and other Russian skaters, as if the Russians Olympic team had never been caught before doping their athletes. They go so far as to blame Americans for doping her drink. If that is the case, then why did they blame grandpa? 🙄It is absurd and ridiculous the excuses some people come up with. They apparently are not capable of taking responsibility for anything.

[@alirac9799]

Did anyone thought that the adults generating this doping disaster, would be standing behind her?? Saddest part is that this talented skater, will take the fall for the mess created by the very adults that she put her trust in!

[@ChavaAyanna]

When it comes down to it & push comes to shove, it won't matter how long her ban even is, if Russia continues down this path politically & militarily . Russia's war could go on FOR YEARS. Some of these girls may retire by the time they're even ALLOWED to skate again internationally. And that's what I'm seeing. This war shows no sign of stopping.

[@e.p3509]

If Annya is prized there is not at all any real consecuence for the true mafia: Eteri, DannyG and the other bastards which are part of this outrageous mess. They're only punishing somebody who's very very likely to be nothing else than a victim of those criminals.

[@Bags5014]

I agree so much about the difference of how the russians are treated vs ilia malinin, the Americans are talking about him same as the russians about the girls, like personally I do see a similarity (simiar as how Kamila was treated at the beginning of her senior career, the problems usually show up later, so I would wait, at the beginning of Evgenia‘s career people didn’t know either) Also it’s sad, I really wanted u to talk about the grand prix bc the Italians did do well 😂

[@lilg2300]

aren't russian athletes sanctioned and banned anyway? this ban will not be lifted soon. so all those figure skates will have to end their career without competitions or medals.