Kreia Predicts the Future (With Imagery)

[@PapitoQinn]

Will I get to 300 subscribers before 2018? I think I will. Edit: 7 months later. 1K subs.

[@alantejohnson4927]

ill be 298 :)

[@anodyne5368]

I'll call in the troops.

[@noahfessenden6478]

It looks like you have. Well done.

[@Jellossbm]

Congrats. :)

[@PapitoQinn]

I go to sleep, and by the time I wake up, 303. This call to action stuff really does work. But in all seriousness, thank you! I got a little idea, that I think is pretty neat, coming up. There are prizes involved and it's subscribers only. Happy New Years everyone!

[@kurtengel4652]

Palpatine: _Have you heard of the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?_ Darth Traya: let me tell you a better story...

[@Pixx2266]

@Darth Sidious But did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Baras the wide

[@StarboyXL9]

@@Pixx2266 kekw

[@ggt47]

Oh,yes...the story of the exile.

[@SoulHorizon1313]

@@ggt47 which I just beat. Amazing story

[@krisgordon3116]

The Tale of Revan The Bold, The Strong, The Grey. Darth Plageuis isn't a Tragedy, his story is a Comedy.

[@elsepio8944]

Me playing this for the first time: Kreia: the republic will fall Me: IT WILL FALL!? (remembers the movies) oh yea, it'll fall.

[@fly672]

She may be refering to diffrent fall, Republic has fallen for at least few times

[@nickname8619]

I. Th. the thing is, after the sacking of coruscant, the republic came back big time after revenge of the sith, there are almost no jedi left, no memory of the republic left as the empire has asserted full dominance and even disney which brutally destroyed the legends canon has portrayed the republic as almost non-existent. in fact, we dont know whether the republic will ever be the same. maybe thats their said fall.

[@nickname8619]

I. Th. whatever, that wasnt the point, point was that the real fall was more likely to be what happened in revenge of the sith

[@lilcolgatevert3715]

I. Th. "She might have also been referring to the sacking of coruscant" She wasn't "That's when the sith took over the galaxy for the first time" No they didn't "The republic has fallen like 3 times" Not the three you mentioned however. "First when Vitiate took over the galaxy" No he didn't

[@lilcolgatevert3715]

Nick Name That's because there was no real fall from the Sacking of Coruscant. That's why "The Galactic Republic" came back big time, and that's literally the reason the factions signed a "Treaty of Coruscant". You are correct. That's literally the reason the factions have a cold war and is the set up for the entire game. This guy doesn't know what a fall is lol "the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire" "tHaT's WhEn ThE SitH tOok OveR tHe GaLaXY fOr ThE FirSt TimE" Vitiate's "GaLacTiC SitH EmPiRE" controlled all of SitH SpAcE lol

[@cataclysmicacedia824]

The fact that a decade and some years later people still make videos for this game speaks volumes of how grand the story and writing is. Great video, lovely editing.

[@jpHasABadHandle]

Jibarhi Jones That's what Obsidian does best. The talent in writing characters and stories is why I'll always praise New Vegas over Fallout 3, for example.

[@maverick8697]

Yup. And then someone comes and destroys this epic story...

[@ggt47]

Jibarhi Jones ...yes...

[@redjirachi1]

Kreia knows how the Star Wars franchise's narrative is structured

[@LightningSe7en]

@@jpHasABadHandle Damn I need to play New Vegas now.

[@TheMister3]

KOTOR I, best twist and story. KOTOR II, an unfinished Mona Lisa: absolutely beautiful and a fucking masterpiece

[@TheSpicerSpread]

The restored content mod in PC makes it better. Obsidian wanted this to be a massive game but were rushed.

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

You can't help but love Kreia, even if she backstabbed everyone. Philosphers can be misunderstood, but wise in their own way.

[@hopewec]

7 parts philosophy 3 parts insanity

[@nebulouscat2210]

She is the Lord of betrayal. It is in her nature to teach through betrayal. Pain, and hunger.

[@julianG1212]

Keria was victimized by so many people I understand her

[@DannyKay.]

Yes, but through struggle and pain you rise stronger.

[@SalvationIsInChristAlone]

Irinthius younger kreia for sure

[@SpamtaroFTW]

I always love the shade Kreia throws at Atton, my god how she despises him hahahaha

[@NinjaBuddha503]

Kreia fell for a douche once lol

[@adamryan6857]

poor atton, such hate,even after he said" she may have been good looking once"

[@mr.popper9759]

I think it, along with her vague Bao Dur prediction, were done to leave them open for a KOTOR 3, albeit in a clever and in character way

[@ominousonion7197]

Makes sense given his backstory

[@brandonwilliams3777]

When i first played i would think "why is she such an asshole to this guy?" Then you find out Atton's background and I'm like "ok maybe she's onto something" Objectively speaking she was right about everyone

[@2402Stevo]

That mandalore part is the sickest thing ever. Well done. Vode An

[@lo-rez]

*Kote!*

[@StarboyXL9]

Mandalore for Mandolorians eh?

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@lo-rez cringe

[@darthvader4977]

@@themajesticspider-man6116 fuck off

[@dannytardif8143]

vode an brother

[@aw2031zap]

It's criminal Kreia's VO hasn't done any more videogame work.

[@kyledayton7829]

setitus I think shes Femath from Dragon Age

[@salvadoroars]

Kyle Dayton is she really? No wonder I love her.

[@puffin-onehandedgamer1164]

she has done 1 other video game VO and that is "shattered Union" where she is the narrator. that is the only other video game she has done. she is a TV actress. her name is Sara Kestelman. I have seen her once in one episode of "Relic Hunter" (Tia Carrere) in 2000, where she plays the role of "Simone DeGuerre" in the episode called "Memories of Montmartre". that series runs for 3 seasons, 1999 to 2001, it's sort of like a female Indiana Jones type. @Kyle Dayton no she's not. Kate Mulgrew voices Flemeth. you might think they sound alike and they do, so I can see where you could mistake her for Sara

[@dhu55ein9]

She's flemeth from dragon age

[@PrimePCGaming]

The main lady in Fable 2, I think.

[@wiibrockster]

I love how Kreia/Darth Traya predicts events that won't happen for thousands upon thousands years such as The Clone Wars,The Fall of The Republic and The rise of The Empire. It's pretty cool that they did this

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

It’s just an Easter egg. Calm down.

[@Y.Moroboshi]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 The best kind of easter egg: One that is relevant and tied to big aspects of the lore.

[@Крэйден_х]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 But it was so artistically done! (c)

[@nataliealphonse4634]

Idk how I feel about this? It really makes the universe smaller rather than bigger

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

@@nataliealphonse4634 As Cap'n Sparrow said: The world's still the same, there's just less in it.

[@jakirakumahata5701]

"Just as Revan intended" chills every time

[@GSP413]

THE fact that Kreia foresaw Jango's Death THOUSANDS of Years before is absolutely astonishing.

[@HaloNoble1]

Not jango's death in particular, but his whole people becoming a shell of they once were during kotor era

[@HaloNoble1]

Corbin Moore Perhaps she saw Jango as an example of how mandalorians die so easily during that era and then after.

[@Ajunta]

@TheRealBrentmobile I thought she was refering to the clone troops as their armor is based on mandalorian armor and are "programed" with basic mandalorian fighting techniques. I wouldn't call it easy for a Jedi to slay jango as we see in his fight with Obi Wan.

[@blodstainer]

@TheRealBrentmobile Boba wasn't slain by Jedi

[@Baked-Potayto]

@Corbin Moore Who said Boba Fett died? In the legends continuum, where Kotor takes place, Boba escapes the Sarlac and eventually becomes Mandalore. Last I remember reading, he couldn't return to the planet of Mandalore because of an Imperial nanovirus attack. In the Kotor universe, he's alive. In the actual main canon universe, Disney is kind of likewise alluding to him being alive. Sarlac doesn't kill you instantly...its stomach injects you with nutrients to keep you alive while it digests you over a thousand years. The idea is that Jabas barge crashed in to the pit, killing the Sarlac and exposing it. Jawas came by and cut it open to loot the contents of its stomach. It hasn't been officially confirmed, but they talk about it in one of the new books.

[@SchwayGoose]

Yo, that Republic Commando music for Canderous was an awesome touch.

[@JoeyVSupreme]

I love how accurate it is though. Canderous lead the mandelorians to be a force to be feared again, which lead to the clone army. It gives me chills because that’s such a subtle but good connection.

[@vadernation1233]

Joseph Valle I just loved it because I love the republic commando soundtrack

[@Brandelwyn]

REPUBLIC commando, that's funny

[@far0145]

@@Brandelwyn "ironic"

[@scoobydouchebag]

Chills everytime, you can almost hear the "For Mandalore!" being shouted in the background

[@vexn3699]

Surik: "Did you love me?" Kreia: "I would have killed the galaxy to preserve you. I would have let the galaxy die" That's just so heartwrenching to hear from a mentor. Even after Kreia got me on my nerves nitpicking every choice I made, criticizing every possible solution I had to any individual problem, at the cave in Korriban I chose to save her from my companions. Sith or not, redeemable or not, she and I had a bond. Through that bond, I could feel the Force again. And in the Force she instructed me, to be the best version of myself I could be: If I wanted to be altruistic, to know when, how and why. If I wanted to be cruel, to not be so gratuitously. If I wanted to be a Jedi, to be able to see their failures, not past them. If I wanted to be a Sith, to be able to master the power, and not to let it take a hold of me. And then, she turns and betrays me, when a need her guidance the most. The one time I felt so moved was with the MGS3 ending, and that tried to be a tear-jerker. This, without anything but dialog and an incredible voice actress, just moved me to tears. Because I loved Kreia too. Because I too would have killed the galaxy to preserve her.

[@SoleilPhoenix]

And i killed Kreia to preserve the galaxy

[@nekohallowking4762]

VexN369 you pretty much summed up my feelings on her the fact that she truly loved you/the main character without reprise, knowing they had suffered a pain she could only grasp at and lived on without the very life essence of the universe. How could she not but love the one who rejected all that she hated and more rouse above it. I only wish it was possible to build a deeper relationship with her though a slightly longer game but that’s just me wanting more of an amazing game XD

[@silviogrijalva8801]

VexN369 kreia sounds pretty selfish if she would kill off the whole galaxy to save one person.

[@Ryanez93]

@@silviogrijalva8801 now that you say, that's all I see

[@KrakenGameReviews]

Kreia is the only one handed big saber emo gf for me

[@DBArtsCreators]

My favorite part about this last scene of the game is denying Kreia her chance to reveal the future to you. She even chuckles and agrees with you, saying there is wisdom in not spoiling the future and simply letting it come. Always a pleasure.

[@lianakriebel]

I did that my first time. Partly because it was a late night and I just wanted to go to bed after spending an hour trying to beat her. On the other hand, my Exile decided she didn't need a foreknowledge of the future to influence her actions.

[@nosfonader8792]

Kriea and Meetra are prime examples of how to write female Star Wars characters. Meetra has a good reason to have her strong force connection. Kriea is one of the best video game characters ever made because she made you question your actions and the Jedi/Sith and the Force. Disney will never attempt to write such grey area characters and I can’t stand them for it.

[@billytheconqueror5803]

feminists are in control of star wars and feminists can't write female characters like that. They only care about masturbating to female power fantasies and the bland female characters ever

[@nosfonader8792]

SGT Billy It’s pretty ironic how they can’t write a female the same way they do for Disney Princesses (Tiana was the best). Ironic because Kylo Ren, a CIS male, is their best character

[@billytheconqueror5803]

Nosfonader87 that's because feminists always make female characters with an agenda in mind, which sabotages the character to stroke their power fantasies

[@theia1653]

"The ability to tell a good story is insignificant next to the power of an agenda".

[@pedroh.2062]

Meh, male exile was better

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

I like what you did with Canderous and the Mandalorians. Good stuff putting Vode An there.

[@bladegtr34]

Truth, it made me feel a great swell of pride for the Mandalorians.

[@SGTcz90cz]

Many Aruetii shall never understand...

[@oliverhughes610]

No, no he didn't. He went to find the True Sith on Dromund Kaas.

[@oliverhughes610]

He was imprisoned. A Sith named Lord Scourge used him in a power ploy, and Meetra Surik (aka the Exile/the player character from KOTOR2) tracked him down to free him, only to be betrayed by Scourge when they confronted the Sith Emperor. Revan was imprisoned again and spent hundreds of years locked in a battle of wills with the Sith Emperor, trying to keep his power in check. Eventually he would be freed by the Hero of Tython, who would go on to slay the Emperor's physical form. Revan would leave and form a new Order, using old Rakatan technology to build an army, but he would be stopped by an alliance of Republic and Sith forces alike, who had banded together to fight against the new forces of the old Sith Emperor.

[@oliverhughes610]

I somewhat agree. Elements of the story of the True Sith are great, others... not so much.

[@crazyquirrels]

Kreia is the reason I often come back to KOTOR: The Sith Lords. Instead of focusing on big flashy boss fight, they dove straight into the philosophy and had you questioning your every choice you made. This game made you think. To see the flaws of both Jedi and Sith. To seek out the truth of the Force, and find the balance of the Light and Dark.

[@thatguyoverthere468]

The old republic has some of the best Star Wars story telling its amazing! Thanks Disney for ditching it all

[@jonarnall7651]

Vineeth Philip true

[@HiperPivociarz]

Yeah, I mean, it's great storytelling to just have your character talk about shit for an hour. She's not even putting emotion into it! There's not even any music!

[@theviewer9305]

After ROTJ EU was meh so I really didn't care about it, but KOTOR... For me will forever remain canon.

[@asheer9114]

@That Guy Over There: Yes... lets AGAIN bash Disney for something it did NOT DO... it's so easy... RIGHT? Cancellation of the Single Player KOTOR wasn't Disney decision (hell... at that time Disney didn't even OWN FUCKING RIGHTS to SW franchise) but *ELECTRONIC ARTS* who didn't wanted ANY COMPETITION (same goes for rest single player SW games which were in the production at the same time) against SW ToR MMO they were about to introduce...

[@arpadszabo661]

Asheer Are you stupid? He talks about Disney decision about making these stories non-canon because they are dickheads.

[@alexquinn2390]

5:59 Thank you Revan! but the Sith Empire is in another castle!

[@PapitoQinn]

Who's the KOTOR 2 equivalent of Bowser?

[@TacSon]

SWTOR? Enuff say.

[@bigchungus8679]

@@PapitoQinn Kreia or Sion

[@BlyUehara37]

So much wasted potential Revan and The Exile they died like nothing

[@AndyRoidEU]

Look here at the end kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5K9iGSder2qgrM

[@seanallerdings8147]

I wouldn't say they died like nothing. The Exile was stabbed in the back while facing one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, she wasn't beaten outright. As for Revan, he was taken down first by a strike team of some of the most skilled and powerful sith lords and troops that the empire could throw at him. Then later on and sorry for the spoiler if you're not aware but his dark half stayed alive and it took a combined force of the most powerful Jedi and Sith together to bring him down. So no, they didn't die like nothing.

[@blackshogun272]

@@seanallerdings8147 like Anakin (except he was conceived naturally) Revan was a rare being that had a special place in The Force at all times. He was never 100% aligned with any aspect of The Force. I know what you're thinking: "What about his dark half that almost bodied everyone The Republic and Sith Empire sent after him ?" Well in that case he had done something no one else had ever did with their spirit and divided their soul in twine. Even the Lord of Pain, Darth Sion, didn't do this with his intense dark side power. Revan just flat out couldn't dare die and not free the galaxy of a being he viewed as the ultimate evil to stain the stars. But yeah, I'm done wanking off Revan and everything (he's not even my favorite character). But yeah just wanted to give you my personal opinion of the one and only Revan 🤣

[@masterson0713]

@@blackshogun272 I could listen to you for hours who's your fav character and why?

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

The Revan novel and SWTOR will never be canon to me. Not my Revan, not my Exile, not my True Sith.

[@StarGreg]

Ugh seeing the ending here makes me wish for Kotor 3 all over again. Avellon needs to be the writer for that game if it ever happens though. I dont think other writers would get it right or do it enough justice.

[@stevenirizarry1304]

StarGreg what if "the true sith" was really the prime jedi...who created both the jedi and the sith. The prime jedi symbol on the floor in the last jedi film.

[@KurasakiBleachigo1]

Shut up idiot, with your "the last Jedi" nonsense

[@nickname8619]

StarGreg The Old Republic is kind of KotOR 3

[@stevenirizarry1304]

no it isnt...it is fanfiction

[@nickname8619]

Steven Irizarry How is it fanfiction if it was made by BioWare and is an official game

[@Cailus3542]

This is a superb video. I just replayed KOTOR 2 again, and this just feels so right. Ya know, I’ve always liked the idea that for all of Kreia’s dismissal of Atton as a fool. he ended up growing into a legendary Jedi Master, a Jedi Watchman. It does seem oddly appropriate.

[@PapitoQinn]

Thank you. I don't know about legendary, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't exempt him from being a fool however. Like she says, the force looks out for them. Can't have a galaxy full of only the wise. Maybe that's a more probable theory to how Jar Jar lived so long.

[@lcm361]

Zayne Carrick is right there to prove that the force wants some people unhappy but alive, LOL

[@aurorauplinks]

Fools arent blinded by probability, only by desire

[@JayL-]

@@PapitoQinn is she really being dismissive, though? When she says "the Force watches out for the ones such as him... as it does for the old such as I". I see it as she kind of putting herself on the same level as him and that the Force has to "be on the lookout" for them lest they go out of control and "swim against the currents" of the Will of the Force... i.e.: Kreia wanting to kill the Force She does consider him to be one of the Lost Jedi, doesn't she? "They were the Lost Jedi, you know? The True Jedi upon which the future will be built. They simply needed a leader and a teacher." And he was the one that she had to constantly keep in check, even going so far as blackmailing him so he wouldn't mess with her plans. The only exception was Mical, who could see right through her. Mical does say he recognizes her and that "not even the markings of the dark side could hide who she was". She easily messes up with his mind, though, because as she says his mind is weaker than the others as he is "too open and too trusting" and thus "all his thoughts of her will slip away from his mind like water". Atton is immune to all of that. She isn't even capable of reading his mind for a very long time.

[@PapitoQinn]

@@JayL- An interesting perspective, although Kreia didn't plan to blackmail Atton lest he become a significant obstacle. When imprisoned on Telos she just caught on to how nervous he was inside what he thought was a Jedi academy. His mind is difficult to read to because of his training and talent in concealing his mind. It was probably impossible for any average Jedi or Sith to do it. But Kreia has talents of her own. After that she just discovered a tool of opportunity in Atton. I don't know about any kind of time allotment for mind reading though, the game never gives us any indication of anything like that.

[@mistymol3s]

Kreia didn't predict Rey killing Palpatine, so episode 7-9 ain't canon.

[@isseisato1689]

Thats just bad fan fiction

[@oldphe1733]

KOTOR 2 does not take place in the same timeline as the sequels. The Sequels take place in Disney’s canon

[@hamishbartholomaeus]

Best comment ever!!

[@samuelebalduzzi5376]

I agree

[@ABFan-bj2uj]

She predicted Mace Windu

[@Kryptic1046]

Kreia is one of the only video game characters that legitimately made me think about the choices I make in real life and why I make them. She sticks with you long after you finish this game. I didn't always care for her personality but her wisdom is undeniable.

[@PapitoQinn]

I like that last part. Too many people worry about how something is said instead of what is actually being said.

[@michaelvansise4887]

I love Kreia, she is like a Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother with force powers. So well written!

[@barrybend7189]

As George Lucas said there's a cycle. So her seeing the future fits the Dune Prescience.

[@Kirhean]

@@barrybend7189 Her goals even resemble the "Golden Path" from the right angle. She absolutely would have gotten on famously with Leto II.

[@Shetyre]

"And then a mouse born so evil, will take over the reality"

[@knightsotl796]

@Dalton Black yeah

[@simonsalgueiro6217]

@Dalton Black the last Jedi was t that horrible. There are loads of EU comics with much worse storytelling and character development (dark empire or infinities f.e) and people surprisingly even praise those. Sheep mentality

[@clayton3998]

@@simonsalgueiro6217 I would argue that comics or even a series of novels that were poorly written do far less damage to the IP compared to a poorly written series of movies.

[@simonsalgueiro6217]

@@clayton3998 The problem isn't that. The problem is the mentality behind this shit. People nitpick everything wrong with TLJ, and that movie has quite a lot of problems. But it isn't that horrible, at least tried something and didn't just copy episode 4 to please fans like TFA. It just suffered from sheep mentality hate. On the other hand, several sw EU comics are so cringy and badly written it hurts, but get freaking praise from the same people that hate TLJ. Dark empire looks like if it was written by a 14 year old kid who loves Dragon Ball Z too much, and is so much centered towards making Luke and Sidious strong that it ends being a powerfest. Most Darth Vader comics are just desperately trying to make him look bad ass, even if it makes no sense. Infinities has a scene were Yoda takes over the death star (yes, alone) and crashes it in coruscant, destroying the imperial palace. It's so fucking stupid it hurts, probably millions of people died due to the explosion, but it was "bad ass", which seems the only important thing for the writters. And people freaking praise these comics! The same people that hate TLJ. That's my problem with the sw fandom

[@lemao2222]

I think the difference is that haters of any Expanded Universe/Legends content can just... y'know, ignore it? You can't just brush The Last Jedi off like you could any poorly written Expanded Universe content. That's why TLJ *does* deserve a lot more scrutiny. Because it is canon. If it's bad, even if it isn't *that* bad, it will weaken the franchise.

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

Exile: "...Are you sure you're actually dying?"

[@benb.8550]

I had goosebumps when Canderous' face appeared and Vode An started playing. Lovely edit!

[@NobelTheKnave]

Vode An has that effect

[@archlordv3494]

Now if only she could have warned us about "The Last Jedi"... :P

[@kagetsuki23]

The grey jedi in the game are pretty much like luke in the last jedi.

[@vilheim9508]

I mean, in reality, TLJ took a LOT of KOTOR elements, such as the Force connection between Rey and Kylo being reminiscent of Revan and Bastila, as well as hints of the philosophy of Kreia being played out in that Luke's new Jedi Order was DOOMED to fail from the start as trying to find a middle ground in the Force always fails.

[@foodgood5624]

Vilheim it did but it was in a bad and confusing way

[@vilheim9508]

Apples is good Fair, I agree execution wasn't great.

[@ravenwhiteduck2982]

Far as I'm concerned that garbage is from some weird fucked up dark universe

[@HarryBillyBobGeorge]

Telos could've had at least a picture. There's gotta be something. "And become the people of Onderon no longer" would've been a great chance for Saw Guerrera's intro in R1. "The Sith have forgotten [Korriban] for a time" would be the PERFECT chance to show the third SWTOR trailer.

[@PapitoQinn]

A picture of future Telos? None that I could find. That would have informed the viewer of what became of Saw Guerrera, but not of Onderon. I actually never saw that trailer until now that you mentioned it. But even so, I think most of my viewers have a somewhat hostile view of SWTOR.

[@idfkwhatyouwantfromme]

@Motoko Chan Not all of us.

[@aurorauplinks]

I like good stories swtor is fun

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

@Motoko Chan It's the best Star Wars game of the decade.

[@ShiftyBandit214]

@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Not a high bar considering how few star wars games their have been the past ten years.

[@LightStreak567]

3:35 In the Clone Wars era, they gave up their war culture because they were dying out. A lot of Star Wars fans don't realize this, blaming the develpers of the Clone Wars for making some of the Mandalorians abandon their culture, but if they clung on to their war-centered culture, then Kreia's prophecy would have been 100% accurate, their war culture would have killed them all.

[@LightStreak567]

@Michael Hewitt-Clarke My point exactly.

[@twinodoom]

They had to choose between the death of the people and the death of their ways.

[@kazmark_gl8652]

Returning back here with more of the story. Their warrior culture DID end up being the end of them, Mandalorians returned to the warrior code to resist the empire, and for that Mandalor is destroyed, it's people slaughtered its culture nearly eradicated.

[@bardockmou]

@@kazmark_gl8652 But without that warrior culture, they are not mandalorians. To be a Mandalorian you have to follow the Resol'nare as to be a Jedi is to follow the Jedi Code. Thatswhy with Jango we can talk about the death of the Mandalorians, he rejects the Mandalorian way ,being Mand'alor, after his defeat at the hands of Dooku and the other jedis, so even if in his dead he is using a mando armor, he was a dar´manda. And in the Disney canon we can see, that in fact was the perservation of the warrrior ways that allow the Mandalorians to survive, as culture, as one and in the end returning to reclaim their home.

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

What did kreia say about order 66

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

Kathleen Kennedy: "What's a Kreia?"

[@bradcraig2978]

how do you feel that she didn't foresee the droid attack on the wookies?

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

"What's a Wookie?"

[@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581]

Sjw and Barbara Lerner spectre tribe gunna save us all haha

[@deltaket6485]

Bring her and Revan back.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

@@deltaket6485 "What's a Revan?"

[@SerathDarklands]

Kreia was such a beautifully-written character. It was writing like her that made the two _Knights of the Old Republic_ games the best Star Wars stories ever told.

[@sunjikumar9622]

Who would have ever thought a game made so long ago has a better story line then the entire years of script movie producing

[@zoltanz288]

i did.

[@dzikripratama3776]

15 montha to be exact

[@brucey5232]

' Apathy is death! '

[@loneskankster2242]

KOTOR 1: Establishes Canderous, a badass Mandelorian with a dream to unite the clans once again. KOTOR 2: Canderous is now the leader of the Mandelorians, biding his time until he gets word from the only person he looks up too, Revan. SWOTOR: IDK lol, here's his skull

[@deanj.w.ferris123]

“Was I a good apprentice?” “No- you were the best.”

[@dr.calibrations7984]

I like how Kreia NEVER stopped hating Atton. No matter how much he changed during the game.🤣

[@EmperorSteel]

I come back and I look at kotor 2... There was so much to know about the game than I thought. I thought that kotor 1 was better, but when I looked at the analysis behing Kreia, I was absolutely wrong. Kreia is an outstanding character and she challenges both the light and the dark side. Even the grey jedi are challenged even though she may be classified as one. Kotor 2 is probably one of my favourite games because that game pays attention to detail and I am shocked by the amount of knowledge that I have missed. Don't get me wrong, the other characters are amazing, (even the characters from the first kotor game), but she is incredibly knowledgeable and I should applaud the writers for this much content.

[@PapitoQinn]

Chris Avellone. Arguably the best writer the video game industry has.

[@loganswalk8621]

Knights 2 is a deconstruction of the entire franchise and I love it for questioning and exploring the things the franchise doesn't normally talk about.

[@PapitoQinn]

Heh! Me too!

[@marcusprice8129]

See. Disney could have built off of this but nooooooooo.

[@revanreborn2548]

Disney would have screwed it up, but that's what happens when you don't have the brains, talent, or creativity that God gave paste

[@jshadowhunter]

Daniel Letner And are driven by Cultural Marxism.

[@revanreborn2548]

And Political Correctness.

[@TheChrisrock55555]

And influence from EA's lootbox microtansactions.

[@StoicSurvivor99]

Turmoil Post mondernism an Marxism . Kreia mention philosophies that Nieztche had explained. Marxism i think is the embodiment of slave morality. Everything Kreia is explaining is whats going on in disney star wars. The problems repeat as the jedi and sith repeat their wars because they cease to listen to the truth of reality.

[@lane_m]

This is such a great game. Bravo

[@shintori2808]

shit still makes me tear up after 17 years. This series (Pre SWTOR) is some of the greatest story telling in any medium.

[@SalvationCode]

Jango part was super sad but true! Well done.

[@XxLew]

Man, obsidian need to make KOTOR 3. I don't trust bioware with EA, especially after Mass Effect Andromda. I love Obsidian's story telling and character development

[@enes8k9]

sadly, the one who wrote the story here is not with Obsidian anymore. And he was the main reason the story is what it is, an amazing guy..

[@keetongu445]

@@enes8k9 He's working freelance now, so they could easily call him in to write. And he's working on Jedi Fallen Order, so it's not too far out of the question.

[@QueenBambi1982]

Mass Effect Andromeda wasn’t that bad. I heard they are going to finally make other Knights of Old Republic

[@dzikripratama3776]

@@keetongu445 yes and no Because he had an issue with the upper management Its possible because now Obsidian is owned by Microsoft so he doesn't have to deal with them

[@crunkalac]

Darth Traya, The Exile and Revan against the Emperor. Thats what should have happened.

[@parkerrydbomshistorychanne9151]

"Have we? You thought the corrupted remnants of the Republic, the machines spawned by technology that Revan led into battle were the Sith? You are wrong. Sith is a belief. It's Empire, the TRUE Sith Empire rules elsewhere." Kriea

[@jsbcody]

"in the Dark places where he now walks".......still gives me chill years after first playing the game.

[@pigeonboy8858]

you know, kreia, it seems like all these light side choices i made that you passive aggressively criticized have worked out pretty well...

[@Aqueox]

She never was anti-Jedi, she was anti-poor teachings. The Jedi had grown too complacent and too comfortable in their dogma. They became zealots to a god they made rather than zealots to a truth that is.

[@sharkfacemlg]

The reason why Revan "left the ebony hawk and all it's machines behind" but got his mask back, -his mask that represented his beliefs on mandalorian crimes, is because the enemy he now faces is a belief, and his mask, which completed its purpose, was needed once again for what it represents.

[@Aussieroth7]

MAGNIFICENT use of music choice during certain moments!

[@josiaharaki7310]

Kreia: Revan will need all the aid he can from as many jedi, sith, anyone as possible "Revan" Meetra: I'll go alone and tell literally no one what is going on

[@dzikripratama3776]

Thats the build up for KOTOR as planned by Obsidian

[@Mr_Gray_1995]

Not planned by these writers. JUST SAYING

[@bowenorcutt78]

Ironically I think that part about nothing being left of the Mandalorians besides their code sets up The Mandalorian pretty well, despite being in a separate canon. I mean, so much of their history and culture that was set up in Clone Wars and Rebels has been lost that the only way to even recognize the Tribe as Mandalorians are the code, or "the creed," and their armor.

[@agustinbaletti]

Thinking about the implications of Book of Boba Fett’s reveal about The Night of a Thousand Tears were we see how the empire obliterated Mandalore, i think that was the end of the end. The “death that would last millenia” were the Millenia of peace in which Mandalorians destroyed themselves in petty wars between each faction, culminating in the Mandalorian Civil War and the rule of peace and neutrality that Satine brought. That period of peace under Satine was part of the death of Mandalore. The final nail in the coffin is the bombing of Sundari and the almost complete genocide of the population, but that was the end of the end. Now, under Mando, Bo, Satine and many others, a new era arises. A new Mandalore is in the horizon.

[@wittyreviewer]

Considering Dinn is headed to Mandalore, to a part of it that's ancient and sacred, I'd applaud the writers if he found the Helm of Mandalore. He really is the perfect fit, a firm believer in the code and traditions that made their ancestors great, that made them so feared that even when squabbling amongst themselves the Empire still decided to wipe them out. Revan's instructions to Canderous still hold true, when the true darkness comes the galaxy will need the Mandalorians.

[@vectorfox4782]

@@wittyreviewer well said. With what you implied, we can only surmise that once Mandalore is restored, the true darkness will reveal itself, and it will be either Vitiate, or Darth Nihilus that’ll resurrect. Perhaps both. There will be an inevitable end to the force, and Kreia will be redeemed.

[@slappywhite1399]

Many things I see....An evil empire will take control of the characters and stories we all hold dear. They will kill the mythology so they can turn it into a parody of the original story, leaving passionate fans to remember what was once a beautiful and inspiring franchise. KOTOR is a masterpiece. I hope someday I get to play a new installment.

[@WilliamHasMelted]

Ok boomer

[@DoctorFail]

I hope a miracle happens and swtor is just decanonized in favor of a fresh Kotor 3

[@Connor8609]

Already died when they canceled Kotor 3. The Old Republic is garbage in comparison

[@cobrafumante1944]

Slappy White You are right, the true enemy of our galaxy is not the Galatic Empire, but the Disney Empire, controled by emperor Mickey, also know as Darth Mouseus. But not everything is lost, we can still reunite the fans and create our New Rebel Alliance.

[@Aqueox]

Yes, that's what bolshevik rats do. They will remake everything to fit their agenda, and what they can't remake they throw out.

[@theia1653]

She falls quickly to Makashi form.

[@bramrhodesdouglas5861]

My all time favorite Star Wars character.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

3:43 this was the biggest call-out, and unfortunately nobody important heard it

[@theuberedredspy8791]

As much as I enjoy what Filoni has done with Star Wars, one thing that's ALWAYS bothered me is how the Mandalorians are becoming such a notable force during the time of the Galactic Civil War and beyond (Even having a sort of marker in the Darksaber) despite Traya saying that they'd end up dying out, with the only remnant left of them being Jango wearing their armor.

[@mechanwhal6590]

Well, nobody’s perfect.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Even in Legends the Mandalorians came back. Boba Fett even became Mandalore and saved the Mandalorians from the Yuuzhan Vong.

[@julioacceus253]

If only Disney's boardroom took a day off, brought a tv and a console, start a bookclub and play these fcking games and realize how much what they ACTUALLY got buying from Lucas...

[@kylegross2838]

But that would mean they actually cared about what the fans think

[@zoltanz288]

A pc, you peasant.

[@bythepowerofoa]

Justin Green Lantern Golf she just a glorified secretary....

[@DanimoroZ]

@Justin Green Lantern Golf Kennedy doesnt create the movies you idiot

[@liaml.e.5964]

"The small one" is T3, not Bao Dur's Remote...

[@GeriatricFan1963]

What happens to Bao Dur's remote after his death? I guess it joins up with the HK Units?

[@codypatton2859]

@@GeriatricFan1963 destroyed when the MSG is activated again

[@jaywhit6751]

disney would have been wise to look to kreia as an idea for a female lead. one that we would have appreciated. it would have been brilliant, but they failed, horribly

[@HarryBillyBobGeorge]

jay whit Nah. That would ruin her uniqueness. I'm glad Rebels stopped just short of revealing anything about her.

[@SGTcz90cz]

And they attempt to create a new Meetra Surik. Out of a Mary Sue. Or is Rey not supposed to become a new Grandmaster of the Order? BioWare and Obsidian created real Star Wars here. Not Disney.

[@PANZERFAUST322]

To echo Kreia's words: "You have failed me, completely and utterly".

[@AverageWagie]

They wouldn't put such a complex, nuanced, and morally grey character as a lead in a Disney movie. Their movies are suppossed to be family friendly with clear cut good/bad guys so young children and simpletons can understand them.

[@ravenwhiteduck2982]

You mean jar jar Abrams, krazy Kathleen Kennedy and riun Johnson

[@akoskralik3053]

Both Kotors are masterpieces. Even now, 13-15 years after their release, they are hold in high regard by many. THIS is how you make a game. THIS is how you make history in the star wars genre.

[@Mr_Gray_1995]

“They simply needed a Leader and a Teacher..”

[@CharuzuAutomatonArtificer]

Great video! Kreia and to expand, KOTOR 2 are some of the best written characters/games I've ever played. Kotor 1 will always be my personal favorite, but it is just so awesome to see old Star Wars, back in it's prime....Before the dark times, before the empire.... Brings a tear to my eye

[@sevatorion7975]

It seems that Kreia respects Revan and his actions.

[@FluffyFriendlyPigeon]

The writing here is so freaking good!

[@MAegcuru]

I don't know why but that line by Kiera "The Sith is a belief." That one line alone spoke more volumes than other line that I can think of.

[@gachareptiles9437]

"She does not know of war, as he does." Man Revan really was a mystery, even to those who were closest to him. No one truly understood him and no one truly understood his view of the universe

[@ryanharrell8866]

The mandalorans part got me fucked up

[@Apollomasque]

Would she speak of the echo that the Mandalorians leave behind? The final revenant that haunts the stars with the wrath of ages hanging heavy on his shoulders? A minuscule voice that silently howls of his forgotten people's might.

[@norffcdoomer1393]

"It waits for us beyond the outer rim..." I never considered the seriousness of this statement until SWTOR showed us that the threat emerging was the Sith Emperor Vitiate waiting to strike the galaxy.

[@rominesque2921]

Vitiate was a weak and disappointing resolution to this hook

[@DoTheEvoluti0nBaby]

" Oh, btw, as soon as you leave Malachor V and go search for Revan and the true Sith, you will find him, allied with a Sith named Lord Scourge. He will shove a lightsaber on your back and Revan will be fried like a chicken by the Sith Emperor. You will become a ghost, haunting Revan and the galaxy, until Revan is set free from his prison, centuries later. Have fun. ".

[@ZoeMalDoran]

"I what?" "Yes, because Drew Karpyshyn took Vrook literally and decided that you had no personality or common sense of your own. He decreed that you let HK-47 wander off before you talked to Bastila, then went after Revan with just T3, and you forgot everything you know of everything except worshiping Revan" "But that makes no sense"

[@fermintenava5911]

When she talks about Atton, I can't help but hearing a little bit of ... appreciation. On the outside, she's loathing him, but inside, she might feel empathy or at least pity for him: After all... he's an exile and a traitor just like her, able to mask himself, but he's young and uneducated where she's old and world-weary, and he has a freedom and resilience she can't hope for. There's a saying that we often hate most what resembles us most, but has it better. And imo, that's what Atton is to Kreia.

[@rakghoulravager426]

Thank you for this. May the force always be with you.

[@TemplarBlonic]

3:20 Even if she says the Mandalorians will end(much like another Sith in a SWTOR book), they will always be remembered. Even if every last one dies, there will always be a wildfire waiting to be reignited. Darasuum Kote : Eternal Glory.

[@artimus7525]

It’s a ****ing shame we never got Kotor 3.

[@Spiderfanatic3]

The korriban line also plays with krayt rebuilding the sith there "spawning threats thought the millennia"

[@wyvernsimpermanence]

Man how sick would it be if you actually teamed up with Traya, walked out together and KOTOR 3 the sickest adventure of all: old crew together, Revan, Traya, Exile, HK47, throw in Mission with an eyepatch who is now more dark side then Canderous ever was, would be great.

[@quicksilver6025]

That is an amazing idea but will probs never happen. It's doabe though, perhaps a mod xD

[@kenpoarniceguy1]

Mission.... with an eye patch....🤨

[@Ripvanw1nkl3]

Mission was so annoying oof no haha

[@randomonio]

Destitute Dragon really? Mission with an eye patch? Pirates of the old republic.

[@jacobmcneer609]

I agree with all of that but Mission with an eye-patch.

[@kiankier7330]

canderous ordo you will not be forgotten

[@plodi2]

5:33 I'm assuming she means Revans return in SWTOR in but this sounds really similar to TROS

[@blackfyre4578]

She didn't see disney though.

[@marklee1194]

6:49 - Kreia was referring to Bastila Shan.

[@PapitoQinn]

You're absolutely right. And if Revan was female she would make a reference to Carth.

[@archlight611]

The future coming from Kreia's insight is very interesting and you get to see, hear, and experience in SWTOR, movies, and shows of Star Wars.

[@rominesque2921]

Nothing in SWTOR delivers satisfactorily on this

[@barrybend7189]

Rebels had such a great chance for a season 3 involving Kreia for the Ghost Crew and Maul. If it we sent for the change they did it to Malachore.

[@munfurai8083]

"I would have killed the galaxy to preserve you. I would've let the galaxy die. You are more rare than you know."

[@thirdcoinedge]

I appreciate the inclusion of footage from The Clone Wars. The connections that series managed to bring into the canon with the Old Republic make it probably the most important piece of Star Wars media. And the fact that it gels so well with Kreia's predictions is a testament to the continued excellence of the game's writing after almost twenty years.

[@MinecraftRick]

Putting Vode An on top of the Canderous prediction... I am shivering.

[@roshpenin4701]

I like how she predicted the death of Jango.

[@adamryan6857]

who else believes what happens to Mandalore and the Mandalorians is both amazing yet the most heartbreaking thing in the star wars universe? " For Clan Ordo!"

[@theelusiveman9706]

Kriea is IMO the wisest character until plageuis and master Yoda.

[@chrisbibber6199]

Yoda was a dick. He was tooooo cryptic in his warnings and shit. He knew what was coming, but he never said anything.

[@theelusiveman9706]

Chris Bibber yeah but he still knew ha

[@StoicSurvivor99]

@@theelusiveman9706 that's no excuse.

[@harryunderwood9387]

Kreia is the wisest from a certain pov. She wanted to free the SW universe from an all-encompassing energy that causes an endless cycle of events at the cost of countless lives. Her methods were extreme, but I don't think there was any other way. Plageuis was obsessed with the scientific aspects of the Force, granting him intelligence over wisdom. He forgot he was still a Bane-era Sith, and thus died a failure. Yoda was old and wise in the ways of the Jedi, but he wasn't someone you turned to for personal advice due to his Jedi teachings.

[@NumbingDisasterAnon]

I'd argue that Yoda wasn't really all that wise, nor are really any of the Jedi. Even Obi-Wan as Ben Kenobi isn't all that wise. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again despite the glaring issues that keep flashing in their faces. Qui-Gon is much more wise, but he came to his end all too soon, like most wise masters.

[@D_Pellagrino]

Strong work, that was very well done. Great memories with this game and you connected the stories so well

[@PapitoQinn]

Thank you

[@sganovik87]

This has so much more impact without the gameplay. Sheesh, I cried. Honesly, good job, Obsidian.

[@wiibrockster]

Kreia/Darth Traya is a morally ambigious character done right. Morally Ambigious is something that's hard to pull off well from a writing standpoint and the KOTOR 2 writers pulled that off execellently.

[@owellwellwell2418]

I think this is a really good example of how to end a game. It tells you the fate of all the characters you have met and cared for. Maybe in modern games they should do this in a way that you see the fate of those characters or something like that.

[@marclupinaccijr3235]

Great video, really well done, the only thing I feel you missed is putting in a scene of Bastilla where Kreia talks about her being left behind by Revan, otherwise perfectly done

[@PapitoQinn]

Thanks. I made a second one for the male exile side. I added more things. Could really use a scene with Bastilla for a reason I won't get into. But i added a picture.

[@Excalis3344]

the old republic and lukes jedi order are my personal canon with ep 1 through 6

[@Jirwemthegreat]

Yes yes, Kreia… I read Wookieepedia too…

[@DrEgonCholakian]

Vode An starts playing the moment Canderous is mentioned

[@PapitoQinn]

Yes it does. I thought it'd be cool.

[@etguillemette]

Wow. Spooky predictions. The one that really got me was when she said, "The darkest of all Sith will be struck down, and rise again, to be undone once more when the champion of light and darkness, the dyad, find a dagger that's in a cave for some reason, then, I dunno, use it to, to look through, I guess? To find a thing in a really obvious spot, to... I dunno, get them to a place, where they, I guess they find out that, well, but he didn't know, even though his plan was... You know what, sometimes the force has a plan for all things, and sometimes it just sort of throws some crap together at the last minute... KREIA OUT"