Area 419 Scope Mounts - The Best Scope Mounts Available... Period.

[@jacobdeem8499]

I bought mine a month ago and I never think about it which is just how I like it. Works very well

[@fattigla]

Those alignment pins are awesome. I've been wanting something like this for years!

[@Cyborg-911]

Great video Gary, you covered everything as far as I know! Excellent job! Summer taught you well!! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[@JeffHoman-eu2zb]

When Summer and I went over my 6GT build, we went with the Area 419 mount.

[@Cyborg-911]

Summer is a smart woman!

[@paramounttactical]

🤫 don’t feed her ego!

[@Fair-to-Middling_Marksman]

I agree the best, I have three now.

[@uriahlucas7190]

Recently picked up a couple of these, was really impressed with them, loved how easy it made everything to install properly, it’s hard to understand how much easier the precise machining and alinement pins make a difference unless you try it!

[@PhillipBriscoe27]

Just placed my order with you guys for this mount, thanks again for the informed review.

[@paramounttactical]

@@PhillipBriscoe27 thank you VERY much. We appreciate the business and support! -Gary

[@MattDonkin430]

I was just looking into what I was going to use for my Wife's MPA / Zeiss LRP3 combo...I think I might go with the Area 419... really can't go wrong with anything from these guys though.

[@AF-O6]

I use Spuhr, Seekins, ARC, and Tier One (for airguns). They all work fine on my guns (.308 Win and below), but heretofore the ARC just work really well. Torquing doesn’t cause the scope to cant, and I’ve yet to have ARC scratch a tube. Still, you are credible, and make me want to give these a try! I appreciate your in-depth technical lessons (and your political and social commentary vids as well).

[@paramounttactical]

@@AF-O6 🫡 thanks for watching! -Gary

[@jrbullock]

I have their match rings and LOVE them.

[@paramounttactical]

@@jrbullock Area 419 = Top Tier Quality

[@kv9705]

Just ordered a set of the match rings. Cant wait to get them on my new LSS-XL. Thanks for the info

[@jasonsponsler21]

Well hell, I guess I’ll go with one of these for my build

[@josephsmall9744]

1:20 says reach out with questions... I sent y'all an email on Oct 20th and haven't heard back. None the less, you put out great content so I can't be mad. Will definitely be checking out Area419 for my next optic mount!

[@paramounttactical]

@@josephsmall9744 we answer most emails within a day or two. It might have been missed or lost. Send another. I’m be looking for it.

[@claudiadavis2655]

Finally, I watched a video of yours which I wonhundredpercent agree with you on

[@paramounttactical]

I guess you're finally learning then. 🤣

[@robertosborne1753]

One thing with that first test; remember the rappel ropes having a working load and a static load? Scope mounts dont come under that constant type of force like that; they're shocked, like the 2nd test did. Though, for todays scope mounts i dont feel their clamping force is what needs improvement; I feel the concentricity is what needs to be focused on. I do realize that if the rings are totally concentric on the inside, the clamping force is more evenly distributed, but what I mean is concentricity from front ring to back ring, or the straightness of the pic rails when using individual rings. I still see individual rings being mounted on decent pic rails lose concentricity after being torqued to the rail. That's a big bummer to find that out AFTER you've torqued the scope caps only to find out the parallax knob is now binding. These one piece mounts do help to mitigate that problem though, and that's why I always try to use them. Are they going to make any QD options do you know?

[@paramounttactical]

@@robertosborne1753 I don’t know but we’ll have Craig from Area 419 on Wednesday for a live podcast and you can ask him yourself. I think grip testing is a roundabout way to test concentricity. If the rings are concentric, that should result in requiring a stronger force to make the optic slip. But your points are valid.

[@robertosborne1753]

@paramounttactical cool, i may try to do that!

[@jeffguy3868]

Very nice scope mounts

[@tyrelhunter6529]

Man I am putting together a dream build AR10 and every time you post I have to go messing with it! I'll be getting the ZCO 527 and was waiting for you guys to get the zco cantilever on your website but now these area 419s have my attention! Only things stopping me is the 419 is almost double the weight(around 10oz difference) and I do like having matching branding for scope/mount if possible.

[@paramounttactical]

@tyrelhunter6529 I just read this and I was thinking there’s no possible way the Area 419 weighs 1.5lbs as listed on the waste. I also didn’t think the Area 419 weighed more than the ZCO. So, I went and weighed them both at 10:15pm…. The Area 419 weighs 8.3 oz. The ZCO weighs 10.3 oz. I’m not sure where Area 419 got those numbers but I will point it out to them tomorrow. Both are great options and you can’t go wrong with either.

[@tyrelhunter6529]

@@paramounttactical I really appreciate that and I'm sure they will too so they can fix that! It seemed odd to me that it weighed that much more with less bulk. I think I will end up going the area 419 route now that I know this. With weight being similar I'd rather have that little bit of space on the back for my electronic level as well! Like you said can't go wrong with either, both badass companies! I appreciate all you do for the 2A community!

[@area419]

The size and weight you see in one section of the website that are FAR too heavy/large are shipping dimensions that allow customers to get real-time shipping rates on their orders, so what you were seeing was the mount in the case they ship in. I'll make sure we get some specific weights for these added to that product description.

[@ShowMe_QTR_MOA]

Great video, curious what color is that MPA Chassis?

[@paramounttactical]

Blood Red

[@jwschroeder804]

Bought it!

[@jonramboat9680]

My issue with the bubble level is I can’t see that close now and have to put it as far forward as possible. Looks like if I did that the parallax knob would cover it from view.

[@paramounttactical]

You can put it on the bottom of the mount on the rail clamps and then flip it into the upward position.

[@jonramboat9680]

@ I completely glazed over that. Thanks!

[@Ooogs-h1i]

Echo'd. Have one, dropped my 20 pound rifle hard directly on it from about 3 feet, not a scratch and scope held zero. Gives Spuhr a run for their money, although, I do wish they incorporated the base level cut out like spuhr has, at least for their mounts with angle built in. Nothing a set of feeler gauges won't fix but would have been nice.

[@MattDonkin430]

The wedge isn't all that great.. Ive used it and had to re-level the scope after mounting onto my rifle... just because the scope is level to the base, doesn't mean its level to the rifle.

[@Ooogs-h1i]

@@MattDonkin430 I'm specifically talking about mounts with elevation built in. It doesn't matter if the scope is level to the rifle when the mount has elevation built in to it, it only matters that it is level to the mount. If it's level to the rifle but not the mount and there is elevation built into the mount, you are turning elevation into windage. If you level your scope to your mount with elevation built in, get it on the rifle and notice it's not level to the rifle and then change it to be level to the rifle, you are doing the wrong thing.

[@paramounttactical]

☝️💯

[@MattDonkin430]

@@Ooogs-h1i True, I use 0 MOA mounts usually on 20 or 30 MOA rails... Does the job. In my experience wedges don't work too well for that application...

[@richiefutrell6247]

Go ahead and order the hunter style 30mm rings....

[@Justin.Brown723]

When is the SG pulse going to be back in stock??

[@rvoykin]

I wish the one piece came in a 1.7 inch version for using on an AR but otherwise look great

[@johnwalsh7070]

Could we hold off on new stuff until after Christmas in the future!! Now I have to figure out who is getting shorted from my Christmas list so I can get this!!

[@paramounttactical]

@@johnwalsh7070 request denied. Be a man and remortgage your house.

[@jasonsponsler21]

I feel your pain John. But I’m getting a rifle package for my Xmas so everyone is getting shorted

[@6Dasher]

I’d buy one of these if I wasn’t already heavily invested in the Spuhr system lol

[@manuelgervasutti5754]

spuhr is way better lol

[@airenthusiast2000]

​@manuelgervasutti5754 oh definitely those base screws possibly snapping off are way better.

[@KevinWood44]

I love Area 419, they make incredible stuff. Quality is unmatched. OK now I'm gonna be that guy. This will piss people off but I don't care.... I am all for a company recouping some R&D costs....when justified. When a company makes a BRAND NEW product, which required lots of testing, months and months of R&D, etc. However, scope mounts aren't new. For the most part, height and diameter are already determined (1.5 or 1.93 & 30mm or 34mm) you just need design a style, CNC the parts and anodize. That said, lets use Badger as an example..... $320 mount $120 diving board $50 for the Tiny J Arm piece $100 for the 12 o'clock ring $40 red dot plate $100 for a level You are likely $600+ invested into a SCOPE MOUNT by the time you're done. OR you can get the clone WITH the J-arm and plate included for $65 (which is indistinguishable from the original) from China. Now NOBODY wants to buy from China, but we also don't want to need LUBE to buy a scope mount. So here is my question....what is the mark up on these products? How can a Chinese company make an identical part at 20% of the price?? Am I really paying $300 towards R&D every time I buy a mount?? I'm a capitalist, I am all for a company making money, but help me understand how SCOPE MOUNTS have all gotten to the point that nearly $400 is just accepted? Shooting sports have become to the new golf, insanely high mark ups that take advantage of hard working people. Eventually this will backfire and the hobby will become too expensive for every day people.

[@vgl217]

Labor rate is HUGE. It's built into the material cost, the machine cost, the labor cost, all of it. China makes everything at every level cheap because of super cheap labor. Cheap labor makes materials cheap, parts cheap, and CNC machines cheap. Let me make one distinction tho. China DOES NOT make the same product. You will pay a premium for quality and a premium for US materials and manufacturing.

[@KevinWood44]

@vgl217 the labor of a CNC machine running?? Maybe them being anodized or polished takes man hours...but I still refuse to believe that labor cost is anywhere close to 4-5hrs of labor justifying the price. I hate buying Chinese parts....but go look at the video of the Badger mount vs the clone....nearly impossible to tell the difference. Yea one is probably 6061 and the other 7075 but does that make 5x better?? It's an AR mount. 7075, while awesome, is probably overkill. Bottom line Badger (and others like Reptilia, etc ) are BANGING customers over the head!!! Likely making a $300+ profit to sell a $400+ scope mount. That's flat out lunacy!! OK which do u think SHOULD sell for more? A WOA barrel? Or a scope mount? Right we all agree. My WOA SPR barrel WITH fluting was $380 and it cost less than a scope mount. Stop it. This is crazy

[@legendaryamos8172]

A short Vid on diving board option Arco, 509T etc. Do they have their own option other than that one shown.

[@paramounttactical]

@@legendaryamos8172 I’ll have some in soon and do video on them as soon as I get them in.

[@joeyzagari4155]

Love it. Love the match scope rings or unimount. I do question how many high recoil shots starts to induce warping or some creep somewhere through time not withstanding the coefficient of thermal expansion of aluminium on steel receiver. Moreover, 2lb scope with another 1lb or possibly heavier torch or 1lb vortex impact 400 mounted on the diving board atop the front ring seems like a huge amount of force to cope with and I have my concerns about ring distortion or something getting beaten serious. Steel would get thinner material, lower heel in ring, lower one-piece base and stronger and better for that hunter for keeping optic low and coping with stress and heat from sun in the northern states of Australia. And why is incline (either pic rail or one piece base) always 20MOA or something, why can’t it be an even 5 or 10MIL for MIL scopes?

[@area419]

Would you rather the uneven thermal expansion/contraction happen at the pic rail, or on the tube of your optic?

[@joeyzagari4155]

@good reply. Aluminium rings to aluminium scope is probably better there. I put a Murphy precision steel pic rail on top and it’s very thick (10mm) and it doesn’t help to keep things low, furthermore in theory provides more expansion growth than any benefit of stiffening receiver. The next step for user friendliness would be something like a levelling wedge system to level the scope. I sometimes just put a deck of playing cards sandwiched between the pic rail and the underside of scope body, those flat surfaces align quite nicely and usually get the scope perfectly level that way. I’d like to see one piece bases to keep things low as possible in general and my guess is aluminium needs more material to work with. Your indexing details stamped on the parts is a wonderful grace, like torque spec, diameter and height and orientation etc. love it.

[@paramounttactical]

@@joeyzagari4155 Joey, those are great questions and an interesting discussion. Tomorrow (Wed, Nov 27th) we'll have Craig on from Area 419 live at 7pm. So come join us and let's continue this there! We'll be taking questions and reading viewers comments. Thanks, Gary

[@joeyzagari4155]

@@paramounttactical Thankyou for bringing this up in the live stream. The first part of my concern was coping with stress, through longevity, with today’s heavy scopes and additional weight on diving board accessories adding to the recoil stress. Steel just allows for thinner material that solves the hunter mindset keeping the optic lower to bore, and copes well with recoil stress, but is a bad solution in light of dissimilar thermal expansion with aluminium scope. I like how Area 419 seeks to get to the best result, regardless of trending cosmetics at play, and listening to the nuances/issues from end user and providing revised iterations. Would like to see scopes built with X/Y axis indexing splines or something on the main tube to index perfect level in receiving part of ring. I understand if this presents technical difficulties, or cost/machine prohibitive, but simplifies levelling scopes. Plus inclined rings/bases I’ve only seen with 10, 20 etc MOA. I’m yet to see inclines of 3, 6, 9 MIL etc as we commonly use MIL scopes. Adjustable incline would be next level.

[@stritheor]

I just bought an Audere two weeks ago so I guess this will have to wait for the next build. Is the website on this correct? These things weigh 1.5 lbs (24 Oz.)?

[@paramounttactical]

@@stritheor no. The cantilever mount weighs 8.3 oz and the standard about the same.

[@stritheor]

@paramounttactical whew. That must be shipping weight. They ought to fix that, that weight might terrify some. 😂

[@paramounttactical]

@ already being done. That question came up and after seeing what was listed as the weight I had to go weigh it myself. Area 419 responded to it as well and confirmed it was shipping weight. They’re fixing it.

[@Mkkboi]

Area 419 / Spuhr best hands down

[@WizardActual1-1]

I just ordered a badger mount for my NF 4-16, should I get one of these instead?

[@paramounttactical]

@@WizardActual1-1 that’s up to you.

[@graysenmonk3982]

You recommend the cantilever mount or tactical mount for BA platforms?

[@paramounttactical]

@@graysenmonk3982 the standard version for BA. Technically they are both called “Tactical scope mounts” but the cantilever will primarily be for BA rifles. Paramounttactical.com

[@SOCMMOB]

Vibra-Tite is the shit, and it stinks sooo good lol

[@77OliverPuller]

Curious if the raw aluminum will corrode over time when rifle is exposed to the elements and temperature changes.

[@paramounttactical]

@@77OliverPuller Area419 says it will not. I think that’s due to the high polish. Even raw iron polished is very corrosion/oxidation resistant. It also may be a specific aluminum alloy that includes anti-corrosion inclusions. We had them on live abd that was asked, I just don’t remember beyond confirming it wont. I’ll get an answer for you.

[@mymodel6]

If they really wanted to push the innovation boat out, they should take a leaf out of some mountain bike handlebar stem manufacturers book, and make the top clamps be what's called a top close clamp system. Meaning that one side is bolted completely closed, you then just tighten the other side down to the specified torque, so there is only a ring gap on one side, then you never have to worry about even ring gaps ever again...

[@paramounttactical]

@@mymodel6 how would you get the larger ocular lens through the “closed” clamp?

[@mymodel6]

@@paramounttactical No it's still split, but one side bolts completely closed. I can't post links on here but if you Google DMR Defy stem (a cheap but good example), you should see a stem where the top of the clamp has opposing arrows, denoting that those are to be bolted completely closed and to a specified torque. The other side is then torqued leaving a gap. High end UK manufacturer Hope Tech use the same system on some of their stems too. I have one of both, and can honestly say it's the BEST way to do it, much less pissing about measuring gaps. Just want to add that i'm not picking holes in these mounts, they look amazing and I would agree that they're probably class leading right now, but everything can be improved :)

[@paramounttactical]

@@mymodel6 I’ll check it out. The MDT One Piece mounts sort of do that. You tighten one side completely then torque down the other so there’s only ring gap on one side.

[@mymodel6]

@@paramounttactical Oh wow ok, i'll check them out, i honestly didn't think it had ever been done.. :) I got flamed on a forum for suggesting that this clamping method should be incorporated into scope ring tech, it's been used in MTB for years. But all innovations have at least 50% naysayers and pitchfork wavers to start with, i reckon it will catch on eventually, it is easier, more foolproof, even potentially superior in terms of clamping force if made well, and there are no downsides...

[@area419]

This has been done at times, but tends to lead to the optic pitching heavily when tightening it. An example of something near this would be the ARC rings, and that design has some upsides, but no design is without some compromises.

[@DoubledownAA]

Nice but still not a SPUHR.

[@paramounttactical]

@@DoubledownAA yeah, it’s better than a Spuhr. 🤷‍♂️

[@DoubledownAA]

@paramounttactical yeah spuhr are battle prove are these?

[@paramounttactical]

@ nothings battle proven until they are. How on earth is that a testament to quality? Willy Jeeps are “battle proven” does that mean they were ever better than the HMMWV? Has Spuhr passed the testing you saw Area 419 put these through? I have several Spuhrs and I probably mount 10 optics it so a year in Spuhr mounts. They do not have the alignment pins these do and are the most difficult mounts to mount optics in due to ring pull. But the point here is, you actually don’t know if they are “better”, (first you’d have to quantify the standard) more durable, less likely to slip… etc. I’d bet a lot of money that an optic would slip inside a Spuhr MUCH sooner than the Area 419. Spuhr are great mounts but for you to just knee jerk react and say “X is better”, without knowing if there’s been testing (there has been btw), that’s silly.

[@DoubledownAA]

@@paramounttactical still haven't convinced me they're better. Lol

[@paramounttactical]

@aaronbiggi7056 cool. 🤷‍♂️

[@caesar5555]

I love your videos but this.... $350 mounts are underpriced and it is very important weatherproof packaging for piece of metal..... Arken scopes priced as these mounts. Now tell me whats harder to design a simple program for CNC machine or a freaking scope? I am not even talking abour manufacturering... oh and yes. Most mounts are overpriced. At least they could include a level

[@paramounttactical]

Ok. You’re welcome to your opinion but the fact is these mounts are equivalent to Spuhr, MDT One Piece, and others and all of which are $400-$500. Arken are made in China. Area 419 is made by Americans. I’ll pay more for better quality and supporting American jobs. Never mind the fact that there is no equivalent that’s cheaper.

[@caesar5555]

​​@@paramounttacticalYou got me there on American jobs! But we American buyers are suckers. A mount shouldn't cost that much for any company