The Best Long Range Scope - Zero Compromise ZC527 vs Nightforce ATACR 5-25F1 Part 3 Conclusion

[@danielalmeida3064]

Could you do an optics comparison between more high end optics? Nightforce, Tangent theta, S&B, ZCO... etc

[@badlandbrower]

Thank you for testing both scopes So thoroughly and then presenting such great videos to show us the results so concisely. You convinced me to buy a Zero Compromise Optic 8-40x56 after watching all 3 parts of your video

[@paramounttactical]

We can hook you up!

[@thenugget7288]

Hey, I know you posted this comment and while ago... I was wondering if you could give an update and say if it is worth it?

[@cwilliams9199]

Always love seeing the long format man

[@michaelcall1857]

Just completed a long range course Jan 9 2024, the shooter next to me was using the Zero Compromise optic, I did see them have a issue unlocking their elevation turret.

[@eplane]

Really appreciate the thorough run through of how you see these optics.

[@johnvajda4115]

Awesome content and really appreciate the time and depth you dive into your review! Great info- everything I wanted, nothing I didn’t.

[@Peezy71421]

i have the FDE ATACR 7-35 with the Tremor3 reticle and the NF Unimount. I’m willing to accept that people can prefer some of its competitors…but i am 100% satisfied in knowing I have a superior optic with unmatched toughness and reliability. Paired with my Daniel Defense DD5 V5 in 6.5CDM I have achieved .5MOA groupings. With that being said I do my due diligence to learn about other offerings.

[@johnschniederjan1683]

Thank you for all you’re hard work

[@michaelbutler4961]

I hope to see your tracking test once you have it so there's no movement being introduced while making those adjustments. I do like the clarity of the ZC. Thanks for taking the time to make the video. The MPTC3X is pretty sweet.

[@antoniogastelum1722]

Thank you so much. Now I know where I am going to get my next scope.

[@tyrelhunter6529]

not in the market yet but I will be soon and will definitely be buying the 527 from you guys if possible/available! thanks for this awesome videos!

[@johnwalsh7070]

In Gary, we trust!

[@SnipersGuide2LRS]

Good work mate! You know your shit! Good to see.

[@paramounttactical]

Thank you sir! Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas! -Gary

[@johntaylor2840]

The tracking on the ZCO and the NF are great. When I did the test side by side they both were with-in the accepted limit according to Bryan Litz without having to make adjustments at longer ranges. Both of these optics are phenomenal and both will get the job done in almost any situation. The ZCO in my option may make that situation a little easier to accomplish, but the NF can get it done. To be honest, both of these optics will out perform 90% of shooters out there once you get to some distance. 600 yards+ I believe your scores are spot on.

[@madt7131]

Great video... I have three razors and am looking forward to buying an atacr soon. The value in the razor has always been there, but i do believe the atacr glass and traditional/proven design lends for an excellent option where it is more durable, clear, and tracks without flaws.

[@colemanmize3779]

FYI: My buddy ran into the same problem with his ZCO locking turrets not unlocking. He slightly loosened his set screws on the caps and it fixed it. I'm guessing if you overtighten the turret caps it can impede the unlocking of the turret.

[@paramounttactical]

Yeah, when Ray had the issue with his, he actually removed all the turret screws and it still wouldn’t unlock. I’ve emailed ZCO. They said they’re going to look into it and get back to me.

[@w.m.8946]

Did ZCO ever get back to you about this issue? @@paramounttactical

[@dennis9695]

@@paramounttacticalany update on this?

[@paramounttactical]

@@dennis9695 It appears to have been a batch issue. We never got a good answer as to what or why but it does seem to be resolved. We’ve sold probably 50+ since and not one that I personally own or any that we’ve sold to clients have had this problem. The two people that I know that had that issue, Ray was one and the other was a client that bought his ZCO from somewhere else before we became a dealer, ZCO fixed it no questions asked and had it back to him within a week or so.

[@halfdollar86]

9:30 I’m guessing someone didn’t have it in the correct position when they set the windage zero turret screws. You can make the windage turret stick if you set it to zero if you tighten the screws down in the incorrect position. I can’t remember if it’s too far in or too far out. If that happens loosen the screws on the windage and get it in correct spot and retighten. Then test to make sure you turret locks and unlocks and dials fine. I just got a Spuhr mount for my 5-27. I’ll have to re zero my gun. When I do I’ll see if I can recreate that and update my comment. Ray is super experienced so it’s likely something else he ran into. This just come to mind cause I had a similar issue but I knew I created it by operator error because it was working fine before I set it. After I did it correctly it was fine.

[@paramounttactical]

🤔Interesting. I’ll try to recreate it as well.

[@XRING]

It was so locked up that I even removed all of the set screws and was still unable to unlock the windage knob.

[@halfdollar86]

@@XRING oh my goodness. As experienced as you are I knew it more than likely was not operator error! I was able to make my turret stick by incorrectly pushing windage in and setting screws then. My example is caused by operator error. Not any fault of the optic. X Ring, I hope you got your optic lined out! Merry Christmas guys!

[@rajoshusse]

I just chose between these two scopes for my ELR gun. As you say, there are two fine scopes. I finally chose the ZCO 527 as it felt a bit sharper. If I understood correctly, ZCO also has its roots in Nightforce and Kales. I am very happy with my ZCO. I have put on Tennebrake lens cover. I think they feel cheap and flimsy. I also own a Delta Javelin which is an inexpensive scope. The lens covers that come with this are the best I've had. This on a $1000 scope.

[@PeterNeirynck]

First of all: fantastic channel. Would you recommend the 8-40x56 for ELR 338 Lapua up to 2000 Meters ? Or better buy the 5-27 ? ZCO anyhow

[@paramounttactical]

@PeterNeirynck both will work great. The 5-27 has more elevation internally but for 2000yds, you’ll likely need about 40ish MOA built into your mount or your rail for either. They’re available on our website and we can help you choosing the right mount as well.

[@CutlassOutdoors]

This was a great and informative review. Thank you!

[@jeffguy3868]

Great content and information thanks for all your hard work and time

[@MrScubby65]

Great presentation! I am a fan of more magnification so I was wondering if you would consider doing a ATACR 7X35 vs ZC 8X40? Or do you think they would compare about the same as the 5-26 vs 5-27?

[@MrFrenchHarp]

I agree, and that might have been a better comparison

[@buckaroobonsi555]

It would be nice to see someone take the optics apart and compare materials, designs, and construction. Be interstig to see if they are made in the same plant!

[@paramounttactical]

That I can tell you definitively they're not... for sure. Zero Compromise is made in Austria at their own plant. Some of their US optics are assembled here in US from the materials sent from Austria. That is something I should have talked more about.

[@RockinRack]

My zc527 will be here tomorrow. Guess we shall see if it can beat my tasco world class

[@bravo4solutions883]

Really liked watching this series. I have had the same issue as Ray with my windage knob. I'm still trying to understand what happened there. Don't know if my knob set screws were too tight or what.

[@paramounttactical]

Do you have a 10mil model?

[@bravo4solutions883]

​@@paramounttactical No, mine is the 15 Mil turret.

[@paramounttactical]

@@bravo4solutions883 I just emailed ZCO about it. Asking what causes it and if there’s a way a to prevent.

[@bravo4solutions883]

​@@paramounttactical I can bring mine in if you want to check it out after you get the answer. I came in last Friday, but summer mentioned you were finishing this video. Going to come grab a send it level when you get them back in stock.

[@paramounttactical]

@@bravo4solutions883 yeah man. Next time you come up, let me know and I’ll make sure I’m up there. Shoot me your cell number and full name to [e-mail] and I’ll send you a text.

[@JGF6237]

Great review, I have the same model ZCO , I’m not sure if a better scope exists for MY eyes!!!

[@DS-gd1xw]

30:09 point of the video. Taken at Frontier range at peacemaker?

[@paramounttactical]

Yes sir! We’re up there all the time.

[@WvMnts]

Merry Christmas

[@paramounttactical]

Merry Christmas!!

[@HLDefender]

Seriously considering the ZCO 4-20 for my Sig Cross in 6.5 Creedmoor as a pack rifle.

[@maconpharr7880]

Gary, I really appreciate the series and in depth review. I recently purchased a Vortex Razor HD Gen III 6-36, but haven’t received it yet and already have buyers remorse I’m torn between the Vortex, Leupold Mark 5 5-25, NF ATACR 7-35 and now the ZCO527 My primary usage for the optic is Elk hunting (shooting 175gr 28 Nosler) and enjoy ELR in the off season. I like the weight of the Mark 5. However, I’ve heard mixed bag reviews of the Mark 5 not holding 0. Same issue with the Vortex and that’s not to mention the weight. I’m leaning towards returning the Vortex and purchasing the ZCO through your website. I was wondering if you had any first hand experience on how these optics (NF/ZCO) compared to the Mark 5 or Razor?

[@paramounttactical]

I have a fair amount of experience on the Vortex HD Gen III, the Leupold Mark 5 (we’re also a Leupold dealer) and have been primarily running the ATACR 7-35 and the 5-25 for the last 3 years. My main rifle has the 7-35 on it, so I’ve been using that probably 75% of the time. Here’s how’d I’d rate those. Leupold Mark 5, Vortex HD, ATACR 5-25, ATACR 7-35, then a decent margin down the road, the ZCO 5-27 and 8-40. I’ll be honest, I just really love everything about the ZCO. They are my new favorite optics. The glass is unbelievable and everything about them is just so well designed and it looks better (let’s not pretend looks don’t matter) than all the others with all the performance to boot. I’ll throw another one at you that you really should consider, the Zeiss LRP S3 6-36. I really do think it’s on par with the ATACR 7-35 but it’s $2500. I’ll be doing a full video review on it but have enough time using it now to forcefully recommend. It’s the best value out there. The only negative I have about it at all is limited but really good reticles and I don’t like how it looks. It looks like a European optic.🤷‍♂️ Other than that, I think it’s so much optic for the money. But… when you don’t want to compromise on anything, there’s only one left. I’ve learned, don’t settle on an optic. That extra money is nothing compared to the nagging feeling you get when you buy an item just to save a few bucks but then you don’t love it. We’ve all been there and you end up selling it later at a loss and didn’t enjoy owning it. Feel free to give me a call on the business line and I’d be happy to discuss. Thanks for watching! -Gary

[@maconpharr7880]

@@paramounttactical thanks - appreciate all the info! I checked the Zeiss out as well, but had similar feelings about it. The ZCO seems to be the way I'm leaning now Do you feel like you gain much out of the Z840? In my _limited_ experience, my maginification is rarely going past 20x for shots and if I'm having to go past 20x to identify a target I'm pulling out my binos. It also looks like you lose quite a bit in terms of elevation/windage adjustment and obviously FOV is decreased

[@paramounttactical]

@@maconpharr7880 27x is plenty.

[@pauld2913]

Excellent video. Would you have any recommendations for 1x6x24 or 1x8x24 FFP under $1,000? Thanks much.

[@paramounttactical]

Not under $1K. But the Trijicon Credo 1-8 is exceptional and it's about 12-1300.

[@pauld2913]

Thanks!

[@jasonrad9332]

👍🏻👍🏻I finally moved on from wanting one of these, based purely on $$. Here you are dragging me back, I need to hit that Powerball🤣🤣🤣

[@paramounttactical]

IMO, overall, they're the most impressive optics Ive come across in a long time. NF needs to step up their game and come out with some new optics soon or they're gonna lose a huge market share to ZCO. They're just a little better in every way and significantly better in several areas of performance.

[@jasonrad9332]

@@paramounttactical it’ll take awhile, but I’ll hit your shop up eventually.

[@paramounttactical]

@@jasonrad9332 when you’re ready shoot us an email. We have more flexibility.

[@joshuaAgross]

I'm new to your channel, have you ever done a video/review/breakdown on the March Tactical 8-80×56 SFP Rifle Scope? If so can you give the link video for it?

[@paramounttactical]

No Josh, and honestly March Optics aren't on my list and likely won't be. They don't offer optics or reticles that interest me personally and I have a LOOONG list of optics that do that I will likely be testing. I also have a real problem with an optic that offers an 80x mag but only has a 56mm Obj lens. That means your exit pupil is .7mm. You'd have such a small amount of light getting to your eye that most of that magnification range would be just trash. I see that optic as a company preying on people's lack of technical knowledge about scopes in general. I'm sure there are some reviews out there already. Even if I did review it I literally have over a years worth of videos lined up so it'd be a long time. I appreciate your trust and request but if I ever get to it, it would be a really long time from now. Thanks for watching! -Gary

[@joshuaAgross]

@@paramounttactical I understand, I'm so interested in the zoom factor and wondering if it's workable/irrelevant 80X power is my biggest questionable factor is it too much zoom. I'm a 100% total and permanent veteran and I couldn't afford most of the optics you test/review... Maybe one day... Keep up the amazing videos!!!

[@MRTEE-sy7sb]

0.7 exit pupil at 80x…..😬

[@paramounttactical]

@@joshuaAgross 🤔 that march scope is $4K! It’s way too much zoom. We have Zeiss S3 6-36 25% off on our site right now. That is a ridiculous price for that level of quality. That optic is a ridiculous value when it’s $2500. Now it’s like $1800. Best value in optics available RN, by a long shot.

[@joshuaAgross]

Thank you for the response, my biggest questionable thought was the 80x zoom power vs other high power scopes? I believe there's a too much zoom in optics "Overkill"? I was hoping you had a video doing"your" side by side video work? Your videos are the best, and I can't wait for your heavy, stable scope mounting solution for a video showing absolute no movement but the turret click movement, up/down/left/right... Keep the videos coming, can't wait for the next one?

[@savagegentleman3583]

Good stuff; I appreciate the time and investment you put into the videos and this series! I just completed a tall target and box test as you had shown in a prior video; I did it on my Kahles K525i with the SKMR4 reticle as you had shown in a previous video; it performed 100% and was a great peace of mind and confidence knowing it was performing as designed. I value your experience and opinion. Do you have any knowledge or experience with the Kahles? Thanks in advance for any feedback!

[@paramounttactical]

Yes. Kahles are excellent optics. We’ll likely end up being a Kahles dealer.

[@savagegentleman3583]

@@paramounttactical Great! Thanks so much for your feedback. While the Kahles may not offer the optical performance of ZCO, Tangent Theta, or maybe even the ATACR, I really appreciate the feature set of the package offering left-side windage and the parallax adjustment under the elevation knob. I notice some CA in the optic pretty easily and it may not cut mirage as well as some others. I value the package and the fact it is known for excellent tracking. Thanks, again; I look forward to your future videos and will probably be purchasing a Thunder Beast Ultra from you in the near future and may pickup my my next Kahles from you guys once you become a dealer.

[@paramounttactical]

@@savagegentleman3583 I think the Kahles glass is better than the NF. I like the idea of a left hand wind turret but I’d need to spend some time on it before I “liked” it but I do think it’s a smarter design. The only negative I remember from my time on the K525i was I felt the eye box produced a smaller image compared to the NF. But I do think the image and glass quality is better than NF. I totally get why so many people love them. They’re excellent, innovative, and well designed optics.

[@savagegentleman3583]

@@paramounttactical Thanks again! Yeah, something that has popped up that I didn’t think about beforehand with the layout of the Kahles optic. My MDT Send It has to be mounted inverted on the side because it blocks reading and quickly adjusting the windage turret; it’s for sure more critical than just being in the way of the parallax knob of most optics that isn’t critical to have to see the knob like on a windage adjustment. The other thing comes with the parallax adjustment of the Kahles. I feel the spinner is almost a must for it and reduces the number of usable scope mounts and rings to prevent the spinner from striking it. To complicate it further, if you want a diving board on the front ring for a WMLRF, it requires a very wide spacing between rings; the best one I have found for it thus far has been discontinued by Spuhr; the SP-4003b. I hope they bring it back; the current extended base, the SP-4002c, is not long enough to provide good eye relief and allow for room for a diving board on the front of the Kahles.

[@paramounttactical]

@@savagegentleman3583 That's good intel right there. I had thought of the Send It running into issues with the left side windage but hadn't thought at all about the other considerations you brought up. The "every solution begets other problems" axiom seems to be in full effect here. I hold almost everything and definitely hold all windage. I personally think it's just a better way to shoot in general. The only time I really use the windage turret is for zeroing. So the left hand windage knob in my mind is a solution in search of a problem. I may rarely use my windage turrets but I use my parallax constantly, almost every shot or at least before drastic range adjustments. So the parallax adjust on top is less convenient and actually reduces economy of motion. With the way I shoot and the way I teach people to shoot, the standard configuration is more ideal. All that said, I still like Kahles and believe they make excellent optics that are overall on par with NF. I need to do some detailed testing and comparative work before I could say for sure, but from what I know and have experienced, I believe they're a solid company making exceptional optics.

[@lundysden6781]

What about Arken, Bushnell, Burris etc. is NF really that much better? I grew up on Bushnell (the top line) and love them. They are half the price and usually half the weight. please comment.

[@lukeclement1981]

Review a tangent Theta verse zero compromise. I have two zco 527’s and one 420. I was curious to see how tangent the stack up

[@paramounttactical]

It’s in the works.

[@lukeclement1981]

Perfect

[@rvoykin]

How do you think these compared to the Zeiss S3? Since you mentioned x-ring, I know he reviewed it and really liked. It I know that it’s about half the price but it does seem to have a lot of the same features. Obviously I’m sure there’s going to be a bit of a sacrifice in quality but as a photographer Zeiss makes some of the best lenses on the planet and for $2000 it seems like it would probably be at least in the same ballpark as some of these it’s still made in Japan which is a good sign

[@paramounttactical]

The S3 punches way above its weight. It’s what Ray and I are using on our student guns for our XP Long Range Academy courses. Right now they’re on sale on our site for 25% off until the end of the year. I do think they’re comparable to the NF ATACR and probably the 7-35 is more comparable given their 6-36 mag (they do make a 4-25x but the obj is 50mm) The glass is remarkable. It’s the best Japanese glass I’ve ever seen. The only real downside is the limited options for reticles and other features. At the end when I say there’s cheaper scopes that are close I said that with the s3 in mind. I’d say the S3 is 95% or more of what the NF ATACR is and it is better in some areas. I think the glass is actually better and it does have locking turrets all for under $2K right now… that’s unbelievable. I plan on doing a full comparison soon. The price gap is hard to justify given just how good the S3 really is and both Ray and I believe it’s the best optic under $3K right now and it’s hard to believe you can get it under $2K until the end of the year. Thanks for watching and MERRY CHRISTMAS! -Gary

[@rvoykin]

I really appreciate that first hand assessment and I don’t expect it to be necessarily as good but 95% like you said for half the price makes a lot of sense to me. I actually was looking at the 25X version that you mentioned until I saw it was a 50 mm objected which won’t let as much light in and when I saw it was only a 3 ounce weight difference I thought the 6-36x made more sense! When I “pull the trigger” I’ll definitely grab it from your store thanks!

[@JacobWillbanks]

Unfortunately I find myself in the market and I’ll be using for long range hunting. Putting in on a 300 win mag. I’m torn between them. I’m not sure which to choose from.

[@hamedizzy5137]

Can you change your turrets if you send them in? I want a 10mil

[@pe.ka.10]

You missed one reticle comparison ZCO Target1

[@paramounttactical]

Fair nuff but it’s not one I world recommend.

[@John-uo1qf]

The next advancement in scope design is to include a digital level indicator (send it) inside the scope!

[@ForceRecon112]

hey gary, have you had any time behind one of the steiner m7xi scopes? IF so, how does it stack up against these 2 hard hitters?

[@paramounttactical]

I haven’t. I’ve been meaning to get some Steiners in for testing. In the past I was never impressed with them but it’s been a while and it’d be good to look at their current models.

[@ForceRecon112]

In my experience the t5 series was very meh. But tried the T6 and M7 series and was very impressed. Seems they learned from previous iterations

[@danielmccarthyy]

Is the fallopian funnel gone?

[@dennis9695]

To bad they don’t offer their mount in the fde to really complete the matching look. What are these companies thinking?

[@paramounttactical]

Well you’re proof you can’t please everyone no matter what options you offer. You can always get it cerakoted but honestly IMO that would look tacky. Too matchy matchy. Fde optic with black mount as an accent would look much better.

[@jasonsponsler21]

Come on Gary you have to be tacti-cool. Don’t you even have matching fde crocks?

[@paramounttactical]

@@jasonsponsler21 😂 my Tacky Khaki video showed up in my feed the other day. I still find it hilarious so many people didn’t catch the sarcasm of that video. Merry Christmas Jason!

[@dennis9695]

Turns out zero compromise is now offering fde mounts, to match their scopes. Even have matching fde scope covers AAAAND a fde kill flash. I guess great minds do think alike.

[@HayMaker-tv2dm]

For me the Zero CO are the best glass, all around better resolution, natural colors and a great construction all around both are great optics but the ZCO are a bit crispy and amazing design, everything well tough out! Congratulations to both manufecters! Im still waiting for Leica to really invest in the optics field for real i bet when they do it will be something else, Europe have great glass no doubt! The best!

[@paramounttactical]

I completely agree. It’s hard to beat the overall quality and performance of ZCO.

[@sagespinner9526]

Does either optic tunnel at lower magnification?

[@paramounttactical]

Not the slightest

[@ryaniam22]

Everywhere I read says the nightforce tunnels at about 7.5x just like the S&B 5-25. Not sure if it's true but pretty much everyone else says so

[@jerryw6699]

@@ryaniam22 mine does

[@petethomas5976]

Tangent theta try one you'll never look back

[@paramounttactical]

I have that in the works. Definitely worth the comparison.

[@XRING]

LOL! Had and competed with 2 for over a year and a half. They had the best turrets and zero set in the business. I had to send one back due to gasket failure and fogged up internally. Also, the contrast wasn’t the best when shooting in the desert. Sold them both and will not be going back.

[@paramounttactical]

@@XRING aghhh… what do you know?🙄 🤣😂

[@XRING]

@@paramounttactical Not a thing! Merry Christmas Gary to you and your whole family.

[@stephenbarnes8817]

I have both the Tangent and ZC. Both are great scopes, but the zero comp is a bit better of picture quality.

[@OFFICIALUND]

Tangent Theta is the best. I say this as an owner of 3 Schmidt & Benders, and 2 NF ATACRs and a Kahles 6-24 (and zero Tangent Thetas). I'm not sure there's even a debate at this point.

[@paramounttactical]

Oh there is a very real and lively debate on that topic, and there's plenty to critique about the Tangent Theta. I'll be doing a comparison review soon but I can tell you right now that I know 10+ shooters and tons that email me or DM me that had Tangents and sold them because they were so disappointed in them. Do I think they're amazing optics? Yes. Are they better than ZCO? A LOT of people that have owned or do own both say they think the ZCO's are better. Some of it comes down to features and preference. I can tell you from my experience that the image and eye box on the Tangents seem much smaller than the ZCO. We'll likely end up carrying them but to pretend that it's just settled and that Tangents are just inarguably better isn't true. Thanks for watching! -Gary

[@ryaniam22]

​@@paramounttacticalThe image size is what high end binocular manufacturers refer to as apparent fov. It is what makes the experience so much more pleasant. A 420 ft real true fov binocular can take up 67 degrees of your vision while another binocular with a 420 ft true fov might only take us 55 degrees. The size of the image is what immerses us in the image. So your saying ZCO has a higher apparent fov which makes a lot of sense as it usually takes a bigger eyepiece to accomplish this. Thanks for doing these reviews for us

[@thegolflife7565]

I want a ZC420. Worth it? Also what reticle do you recommend?

[@paramounttactical]

It’s totally worth it in my opinion. Disclaimer: we’re a dealer but we’re a dealer because I like ZCO so much. I will be doing a full review… that’s not correct. I’ve already reviewed it personally and love it. As soon as I have time, I’ll be making a YT video on what about and why it’s so good. As far as reticle, MPCT 3X. If you’re interested, shoot us an email [e-mail]

[@bob4003]

Does nightforce use set screws in the turrets?

[@paramounttactical]

If you mean screws to hold the turret caps on, yes.

[@marklloyd4153]

Tell Ray to unlock the child safety lock

[@paramounttactical]

Turns out he was pushing instead of pulling the whole time…. I kid. But it’s how I imagine it now.

[@XRING]

Hahahaha! I was a little angry to say the least

[@WDLC1911]

What is the price difference?

[@paramounttactical]

Depends on which models you compare. Anywhere from about $300-700

[@WDLC1911]

@@paramounttactical, that’s not a great difference as I was thinking Tremor3 v Tremor3. If I did not have the largest NF dealer 35 min from me the ZCO would have been considered. Its **AWESOME** to know the differences. Thank you for the outstanding review. 🙏🏽

[@mukhlisinmukhlisin8853]

rego poro teleskopnya pak

[@KevinWood44]

Wait you don't prefer the MOA reticle? LOL =)

[@paramounttactical]

I know. It’s shocking. I’ll let you in on a little secret 🤫 MOA SUCKS! 😂

[@KevinWood44]

@@paramounttactical Cmon tell us how you really feel! I kind of feel like you miss MOA lol

[@McgSpook]

First of all anyone that doesnt like NF MOAR T reticle can just go sleep with the fishes. insanity... (MOA MAFIA FOREVER) LMAO. OH, i think the categories are good but everyone needs to weight those personally. The reliability/durability rating carries MUCH more weight to me then value per se. That one category should be twice the weighting of any other category to me. Doesnt matter if the glass is sexy if the turrets broken... Im really digging the ZCO but not enough to sell my ATACR. That scope will be her until I break it or I die.. Tell you what though, I would trade my NF NXS 8-32 MOA for a ZCO or Ziess in 25x and up in MIL so i can be part of the cool guys. I'm not nearly as much of a fan of the NXS line.

[@paramounttactical]

I agree on durability being a major factor, if not the most important. That said, the ZCO could potentially be just as durable and reliable but only time will tell. Durability rating also needs a larger sample than one to gauge properly. Even if I beat the one I have with a hammer and it still worked fine it’s only a sample of one. Look at us agreeing…🤮 There is some sense left in your MOA head.

[@McgSpook]

Unthinkable​@@paramounttactical

[@VelcroCross]

I’m gonna need to see a real drop test not some taps on a rubber mat that absorbs half the impact.

[@paramounttactical]

Well you're welcome to buy one and bang away on it. If you own optics now I'm willing to bet you never saw a single drop test on them or any impacts on them and yet bought them anyway. Here you have an optic taking hits more than anything you've seen and yet it's not compelling enough for you... 🤷‍♂️ One thing I've learned from you YT is you will not please everyone.

[@VelcroCross]

@@paramounttactical The issue is that you called it a drop test. Most of my rifles have taken harder drops from me throwing the bags in the back of my truck to go to the range. It’s not a make or break, just annoying.

[@agent-x3110]

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[@joreypeterson5664]

NF is hardly the best scope. Seen and heard of too many failures with them. Not as indestructible as they claim, plus their glass isn't even on par to leupold or zeiss, let alone ZC, kahles, or Schmidt and Bender. NF is over rated for their price and I own one. Nice scope for around $1500, but I wouldn't pay a dollar more for them.

[@JacobWillbanks]

Unfortunately I find myself in the market and I’ll be using for long range hunting. Putting in on a 300 win mag. I’m torn between them. I’m not sure which to choose from.

[@JacobWillbanks]

Unfortunately I find myself in the market and I’ll be using for long range hunting. Putting in on a 300 win mag. I’m torn between them. I’m not sure which to choose from.