Parler v. Amazon Dies. Is Reborn!

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The Parler suit (for being kicked off the platform) gets dismissed, only to be refiled in state court. Will it survive?
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[@LegalEagle]

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[@lairdcummings9092]

Amazon's platform. Amazon's rules apply.

[@hooliegunn6847]

No. Supressing the reich must require a heavy hand. Shock and awe.

[@OGamerGirl92]

No. They have the right as its their server

[@helpyourcattodrive]

No cable needs to end station that lie like Fox too

[@andrewbogard2411]

@@helpyourcattodrive they cant stop fox news but they can not provide foxnews network but the fox news network has other entertainment options other then their "news network"

[@ShabazzTBL]

“They were just using our breach of contract as an excuse to kick us off!” Amazon: That’s called a reason not an excuse.

[@gustafandersson237]

When you realise that Facebook groups were mainly used to organise storming the capitol

[@Romanticoutlaw]

how dare the manager kick me out of his restaurant for getting up on the counter, dropping trow, and squeezing out a deuce!!

[@robc4191]

@@gustafandersson237 THAT'S your argument to save parler?? LMAO! LOL LOL LOL LOL!!! you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there buddy!

[@CaptFoster5]

@@gustafandersson237 even if true, does NOT in any way save Parler in any way shape or form.

[@funkemunky]

@@developer8602 no Facebook really has played a huge hand in the extremism we’ve been seeing. But I’m pretty sure the capitol riot wasnt very premeditated as trump literally told them to go to the capital. Granted, he didn’t explicitly say riot, but it’s would’ve unfolded regardless of how he worded it

[@Malicebane]

As a person who works in Website Hosting, I can confirm that 'The Host can terminate your service at any time if they feel you've violated our ToS' is VERY MUCH a standard clause.

[@camadams9149]

Yes and that is certainly a problem when a few companies control the vast majority of hosting. We had a similar problem with utilities and we took certain actions to fix that. Something similar needs to happen with hosting.

[@Malicebane]

@@camadams9149 fun fact, there's actually a metric BUTTLOAD of website hosting companies. Sure, there is a rather large 'family' of hosting companies that are under the same umbrella, but there's also a ton of individual and privately owned ones (I actually work for one of the ones that is outside of that umbrella). If you just go looking in to it, you can easily find more than a small number :). Not to mention a lot of hosts that resell, and people who set up their own hosting. regardless, though, I do disagree with the analogy on principle. If you sign a contract to not put certain things on a platform, and you violate that contract, then your service should be terminated and you should have to take your business elsewhere

[@camadams9149]

@@Malicebane "there's actually a metric BUTTLOAD of website hosting companies" Fully aware. However, there is a reason people shop on Amazon instead of jackson's local store. There is a scaling, pricing, features, reliability, etc issues that come with the smaller companies. "If you sign a contract to not put certain things on a platform" You are making the same arguments utilities made. It wasn't an analogy. It was a direct statement on business model similarities.

[@Malicebane]

@@camadams9149 so first of all, a 'direct statement' about the similarities between two things and how they're the same IS an analogy. that's actually what an analogy is. I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience with your utility, but honestly if the hosting service owns the servers then they do have a right to be able to make the call of whether or not they want them used for certain things. your argument basically boils down to "I can use your equipment for whatever I want and it doesn't matter what you, the owner of that equipment, thinks." you have other options at that point. If you get kicked off a platform for violating your contract, then the onus is on you to do research and find a new platform. Does that suck for you? yeah, a little bit. But you should probably also read a contract before you click 'I have read and accept this contract'. If you don't, then you've really got no one to blame but you if you violate that contract and get the boot

[@camadams9149]

@@Malicebane Analogy is comparing two things with shared characteristics for clarity. Im not saying they are similar. I am saying they are the same exact thing. "I can use your equipment for whatever I want and it doesn't matter what you, the owner of that equipment, thinks." Yup that's typically how utilities work. Doesn't matter what Im doing with the water, roads, or electricity. They provide a set quantity at a price (that's also regulated). Their control? Is it residential or commercial. That's it. You aren't "entitled" to the US market. Society get's to make that call. So I support making it so you can't use "your" equipment unless it's used in a certain way "'I have read and accept this contract'." Typical CS attitude, no wide contemplation. Which explains why we have the problems we do. Terms of service in the modern day are identical to laws. Make everything a violation then selectively enforce. Given hosting is a utility, that can't be allowed

[@therealplnts8533]

"It may get expensive" is the last thing you wanna hear going up against the daddy of all fat wallets, Amazon.

[@edwardgiovannelli5191]

I don't know... these trump-nuts seem to shell out big bucks when one of their golden idols are at stake. Supposedly trump himself is raising like 2.5 mil a day with his 'stolen election' nonsense. Who's to say they won't start sending their beer money to Parler too? BTW, as a member of the GOP, I get multiple emails daily from the trump campaign asking for money, and they are flat out SHAMELESS.

[@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682]

Jeff Bezos. Amazon itself not so much. Despite it being a gargantuan company it's not even the top 10 companies in terms of revenue.

[@Jehty_]

@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 Amazon is the third largest company by revenue.

[@boxhead6177]

Amazon: International law says technology platforms have to ban terrorism and criminal acts as quickly as possible. Parler: We don't ban users Amazon: If you don't, we will Parler: You can't ban our users Amazon: Your right, we can't ban your users. Parler: See... what are you doing? Amazon: We can ban OUR users. PARLER ACCOUNT HAS BEEN BANNED.

[@if7723]

It is amazing how people forget that companies care about themselves more than other randoms.

[@sobertillnoon]

Parler: that doesn't violate our ToS AWS: Well, it does ours.

[@Its__Good]

"What we're seeing right now is woke censorship by the Liberal companies" Reality : "You can post whatever views you like as long as your not actually breaking US law".

[@sobertillnoon]

@@Its__Good The party of law and order, they say. It is almost like they only care about laws toward certain people, not ones they might disagree with. Almost.

[@alejandrogarcia3227]

Almost all of the planning for the insurrection happened on Twitter though...

[@sobertillnoon]

@@alejandrogarcia3227 even of that were true (which is a claim that can't be supported), it isn't just the planning that is at issue. If you read AWS's response you will see some samples of what caused the suspension. These had little to nothing to do with the insurrection.

[@bryanmullins2063]

@@alejandrogarcia3227 Evidence?

[@brianrainsfordmarshall2692]

Legal Eagle implies the existence of an Illegal Eagle.

[@lairdcummings9092]

Well, of course.

[@yarnosh]

Not really. "Legal" in this case just means "having to do with the law." The opposite would be Alegal Eagle or something like that. As in an Eagle that is not concerned with issues of law. Probably most eagles are alegal. Most, unfortunately, can't even read.

[@PrincessPeriodFart]

@@yarnosh This is such a lawyer thing to say. Well done.

[@ryanfuller4401]

@@yarnosh fool! That's what the eagles want you to think. Soon the eagles will rise up, you will see.

[@yarnosh]

@@ryanfuller4401 I mean, they're birds. Rising up is kind of what they do. And I have seen it!

[@Artista_Frustrado]

"you honor! we would like to accuse Amazon of actually making us face the consequences of our own actions! & that makes us sad" -Parlor, probably

[@edwardgiovannelli5191]

The party of 'law and order' and 'personal responsibility' L - M - A - O !

[@robc4191]

@@edwardgiovannelli5191 ha ha - Exactly!

[@gableweeb719]

This comment is over a year old but I want to tell you that you have good taste fellow KFP employee.

[@crystalsoulslayer]

"Despite multiple parlays with Parler..." I just spat some perfectly good water. Well played, sir.

[@Kentaiga]

You know people really hate your company when they'd rather side with Amazon than you.

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Ouch, just reading this comment hurts my head. 🤕

[@winser21]

Just goes to show how intense partisan bias is.

[@TheStephaneAdam]

@@winser21 Do you have any idea how far you're gone to think Nazis are a legitimate political option and opposing actual fascism is considered partisan? We're talking death threats and calls to violence there. And spoiler: this ain't protected by free speech.

[@guyver441]

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems yeah, need some neosporin for that burn. $7.97 on Amazon XD

[@LittleGreenSoldier]

@@winser21 You think opposing a platform that allowed, either because they're incompetent, actively supportive, or just didn't care, the fomentation of a VIOLENT ATTACK ON THE US CAPITOL, is partisan bias? Why?

[@RawbeardX]

"The Free Market will regulate itself!" The Free Market regulates itself "wait... not like that..."

[@LannasMissingLink]

@@mangonel or two quote Syndrome "when everyone's Super, no one is"

[@IHateMilkbruh]

What do these quotes even mean? Wouldn’t you want everyone to be free?

[@mjela4516]

@@LannasMissingLink he was a villain tho. I wouldn't take his word for it

[@Paerigos]

There is no free market - there is virtually no alternative to Amazon or Google servers. sure you can setup your server in the basement - just that one will die immediately after first DDOS attack of first strike Effective competition is nowhere to be found... till there are about 20-30 equivalents of both google and amazon there will no real market. Its just a duopoly.

[@Aeluron]

Hence regulation needed instead of letting Amazon and Google do whatever.

[@soviut303]

Ah the Parler defense; "we didn't read the terms of service, your honour".

[@saveritas731]

Judge: "Cool, then I probably don't need to read your suit."

[@PolrisTired]

@James Rooks What

[@gaberielpendragon]

Thepiratebay laughs at Parler's silliness. ThePiratebay will always exist.

[@ScrewyVoices]

Do what you want, ‘cause a pirate lives free...

[@SirBlackReeds]

What if your comment ages like yoghurt?

[@coryd951]

It just goes down all the time lol

[@garretthermen9266]

@@SirBlackReeds just scrape off the top of the yogurt and eat it.

[@AxelSpott]

Arrrrr. Avast ye matey. Gonna nab me some bootyhole! Long live the bay

[@lairdcummings9092]

Pretty sure that Amazon can boot anyone who violates the Terms and Conditions. Parler built a virtual trainwreck, and died of a self-inflicted wound.

[@CooroSnowFox]

everywhere you sign up to T&C's even the lord orange wig himself had to say he agree's to the terms of twitter

[@MelodicQuest]

If you get involved with a company, you agree to play by the rules. Simple as that.

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@user-co6eo5pz7x Republican here. Be careful of generalization.

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@justcows7772 except for the ones whom aren't. Which, I will grant you, aren't as numerous as they should be.

[@shannonlawhorn1674]

Parler sues Amazon - in related news, tiny naked man with plastic spork attacks sleeping grizzly bear.

[@Zaluskowsky]

Lol

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

dey relentlessly poke, begging for their just reward! is is easy to see that they have no clue. they believe their trash-talk, and they dont believe in repercussions, jus reparations and cancel culture.

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@justicematters5447]

lmfao, I want to see that story.

[@redwolfcanisrufus]

This made my day 🤣

[@dx1450]

Basically, Parler is suing Amazon for not allowing them to be as hateful as they want to be.

[@handson4580]

wrong. There suing them for not doing a damn thing about its growing outcast users. Huge diffrence

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

@@handson4580 Sure, Jan.

[@mjagadp]

@@handson4580 of course

[@johnnydn6788]

Joe biden fan club?

[@tomskih203]

Amazon: Don't try it parler, I have the contract bound. Parler: You underestimate my stupid.

[@saveritas731]

Amazon: *cuts service* Parler: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@troyevitt2437]

"Commence Order 1/6."-Darth Hideous. Let Parlar have their platform...so FBI agents can create accounts...lots and lots of accounts. The days of Feds being on Stormfront, Daily Stormer and the National Socialist Movement's "New Saxon" platforms are done. "Step into my Parler", said the Spider to the Fed..."because I have no concept how ANYTHING I say can and will be used against me in a court of law". Normal Conservatives of course have every right to a platform, but not Nazis.The problem is, Nazis glom onto conservative causes and infiltrate con. organizations.

[@saltmerchant749]

Parler: "We believe in Free speech and markets." Also Parler: "What do you mean a company in a free market can refuse to do business with us?!?!"

[@amicloud_yt]

It's almost like... they didn't have any morals or ethics to start with!

[@SsnakeBite]

Also also Parler: "What do you mean Free Speech also means that people have a right to refuse to support speech they disapprove of?!"

[@Instantur]

honestly what did you expect? nobody wants to be associated with the cause of the capitol riots.

[@cashnelson2306]

If conservatives were able to recognize the hypocrisy in their ideology, they wouldn't be conservatives

[@DominicNJ73]

Except in this case, AWS controls a HUGE part of the internet thereby making them more of a public utility then a private company. AWS can't claim to be a private entity while providing public utility services (this issue of them being a public utility hasn't been adjudicated yet but I assert they are, in fact, a public utility owing to their massive control of the internet and it's traffic). In other worse, your claim that AWS is part of the "free market" doesn't stand. The free market refers to a situation where there is equal corporate representation in the marketplace, here that isn't the case because of AWS' massive market share. In short, I assert AWS cannot cancel Parler because by cancelling they are effectively shutting down their access to the internet.

[@immortalasirpa8117]

"Of course I saved the Breach of Contract allegation for the middle of the video *because as we all know, contract law is the sexiest of all laws.* " Yup. Court reporter here. I always have to go for smoke after a couple hours of contract law testimony. Way too exciting 😛

[@jenniferstine8567]

Remember to social distance though so you don't contract anything from others like Covid19.

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

The monotone enthusiasm is contagious, I'm gonna take a nap now.

[@immortalasirpa8117]

@@jenniferstine8567 Thanks for the reminder! Courts aren't open in my state just yet, and I'm cool with that. We're getting close. Washington State's on one of those phased algorithms for reopening. Most everything's on line still. I don't find that burdensome. Lots of pluses working from home. No traffic omg

[@thebeaverpope3538]

Thank you for the work u do, you do a great service to record keeping and researchers of the future!

[@charlesgrybosky1916]

Oooo... Surprised there isn't an OnlyFans site for contract law testimony. That's money being left on the table!

[@metaforth1271]

Parlers argument is basically "I didn't read the contract and that's not fair"

[@johnwolf2829]

Hatred of Free Speech is now a defining characteristic of Leftism.

[@Joesolo13]

@@johnwolf2829 even if that wasn't a Lie(it is) Itd be better than the right

[@legocamdude1]

@@johnwolf2829 Cry on

[@Waspinmymind]

@@johnwolf2829 free speech doesn’t protect you from private company’s. But I doubt you actually read laws.

[@Margarinetaylorgrease]

@@johnwolf2829 So that shop should of made that cake then

[@chazblank2717]

If “For the man who can wear sweatpants. But doesn’t want to.” isn’t their official slogan it should be...

[@JAMDJAMD]

Live the soft life -- Chuck the Freak

[@adrianrocha49]

Kind of like Scrubs, "shower shorts, for the man who has nothing to hide, but still wants to."

[@zerospaceca3376]

Related to free speech and the 1st Amendment, any chance you'll talk about the bill working it's way through Kentucky legislation that would make it illegal to insult/taunt cops? Because that seems like a Textbook case of a 1st Amendment violation.

[@marisu9765]

Do you have helpful sources for this? I haven't heard of this, that sounds horrible.

[@4TheRecord]

They can make that law but anyone would have a defence using the 1st Amendment so it would be a pointless law that wastes the courts time.

[@junibug6790]

Yeah, that bill will crumble the instant it's challenged in court. It is, as you pointed out, exactly the type of legislation that the First Amendment protects citizens from.

[@craigspaulding9711]

Even though it would crumble instantly in court, I think it could be used to make a lot of unjustified arrests or used as an excuse to search people.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Just saw a video about this one on Lehto's Law

[@freekeefox]

I like when a serious lawyer mentions defamation claims there's this little chuckle in their voice

[@randomcatmeow1394]

I cant wait to see how it goes, defamation suits are notoriously hard to succeed. I think parler slapped it in as a why not we have nothing else to lose tactic but dont actually expect it to go through

[@cadejust6777]

@@randomcatmeow1394 this guy is hardly a serious lawyer he's so by icedsaid he can't even see

[@alaudedrenxta5823]

@@cadejust6777 Oh yeah?

[@Sh1roNekoshi]

Defamation cases are almost always like a toddler crying about someone pronouncing their name incorrectly

[@sugarbaby1974]

@@cadejust6777 He's so what?? By icedsaid?? Dafuq is that supposed to be?? Were you trying to say "he's so biased"?? Yeah, I'm not taking you seriously either.

[@femke3868]

“if you’re watching this channel you’re an adult and you deserve nice boxer briefs” Me, a 15 year old girl: riiiiightt….

[@keata1315]

Legal eagle: "I'm bring sexy contract" My husband: "I didn't consent to that joke"

[@q-tip9962]

Your compliance is not a factor.

[@vm141789]

OBJECTION! Careless Whisper was not loud enough.

[@bend3rbot]

He didn't want to distract from the inherant in "Contract Law".

[@artistwithouttalent]

He also doesn't want to have to deal with copyright claims.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

YOU USED MY FAVORITE WORD: MONOPSONY. And didn't even define it. It is market dominance as a buyer, by the way. As opposed to monopoly, which is market dominance as seller.

[@BigMamaDaveX]

🙏 Thanks for clearing that up!... AND for increasing my knowledge. 💌💕

[@TraumatisedTyrone]

THIS COMMENT IS GOING TO THE TOP

[@julesrules7297]

Ooh, I'm a tiny bit smarter now.

[@justinjacobson7495]

Can you give an example? I'm having a hard time thinking of how that would work. Did NASA prior to space privatization have a monopsony on rocket ship parts in the US?

[@SkuLLetjaH]

@@justinjacobson7495 WalMart has a bit of a Monopsony, because it can basically determine at which prices it buys from their suppliers, due to their sheer marketsheer. NASA is a good example, except it's so niche it's all custom orders and custom parts with custom specs.

[@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810]

There needed to be a far longer pause after "I'm bringing sexy.... contract" just so we could all take the time to appreciate just how bad that joke was.

[@paulwitter7553]

LOL at Parler alleging defamation. As a friend of mine says: "Pot. Kettle. Black."

[@SirBlackReeds]

Why does your friend speak in broken in English?

[@johnnydn6788]

Did you voted for AOC, because clearly your logic states it

[@whatbuttondoipush]

Rules of Acquisition 17: A contract is a contract is a contract

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Rules of Acquisition 18: Rule 17 only applies until which time that it does not apply.

[@austinluther5825]

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems Perfect Ferengi logic.

[@frigginresulrum]

I would love a Legal Eagle special on the Rules of Acquisition

[@kellychristus2496]

@@frigginresulrum Ditto

[@celiashen5490]

@@frigginresulrum How about that episode where Quark's exwife seeks him out for help?

[@TheDreadedHope]

I love how "survived the dismissed" is a thing. Congrats you get a blue ribbon for making it your first lap. Now 10 more to go.

[@AxxLAfriku]

OH NOOOOOO!!! Most people agree that my vids are the worst on KZbin. I agree to disagree. Please agree to disagree with the haters, dear blp

[@joshualee6536]

@@AxxLAfriku I agree with the haters, your channel is awful

[@Qflame3]

@@AxxLAfriku I agree, looks like horrendous low effort clickbait garbage

[@TheHeavyshadow]

More like "congrats, the referees said you are not technically unable to participate in the race. Now off to the starting blocks you go."

[@celticconlanger6401]

@@AxxLAfriku oh no! Anyway

[@georgerogers2120]

Parler was just upset that they used the word "migration." I know it's a cheap shot, but who doesn't love a good cheap shot now and again?

[@SirBlackReeds]

Eh, I've seen better cheap shots.

[@drewajv]

Glad to see that “Boom, Lawyered” is still in the rotation

[@thedebatehitman]

I learned a new word today: “monopsony.” Thanks, Legal Eagle!

[@ccricers]

I thought this situation is more of a oligopoly because Google and Microsoft are still major contenders for cloud services.

[@jeffreypierson2064]

@@ccricers There are providers all over the world. Those are just the biggest American cloud services.

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

Please define?

[@thedebatehitman]

@@ThePhantomSafetyPin A monopsony is “a market situation in which there is only one buyer.”

[@bobfg3130]

I think there's also the word oligopsony which describes this situation better.

[@socraticmethod-man9808]

"Lack moderation policies" is the nice way of saying there was a f@&kton of death threats.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

"Lax"

[@ferritparade5808]

And you think twitter doesn’t? And you think Facebook doesn’t? Every social media site does, just because it’s conservative doesn’t mean it’s any better or worse than any other

[@christinebenson518]

@@ferritparade5808 But are Facebook and Twitter actively trying to fix the problems? Your whataboutism is crap, because the issue wasn't the fact they had death threats and other unsavory content. It's that they either didn't care or didn't want to try and fix the problem. I don't use Facebook or Twitter so I got no horse in this race. However, it seems to me Parler would still be on Amazon's servers if they actually tried fixing the issues.

[@mistertroll4107]

There are death threats on twitter too. If you have the right politics then you wont get banned.

[@mistertroll4107]

@@christinebenson518 This isnt true. Twitter still hasnt banned people who called for the deaths of the covington Catholic kid. And people who were organizing riots over the summer. There are still many violent threats made at people and even a hastag recently that called for the death of Trump. The idea they try to moderate this stuff is laughable.

[@funnybong_42]

I actually hadn't heard of Parler before this whole thing.

[@robc4191]

Your avatar suggests you're lying.

[@funnybong_42]

@@robc4191 I object to that.

[@jaymevosburgh3660]

Same for me.

[@fiftytwo50]

"Court thingies" - Now you're speaking my language.

[@randomtology]

Parler is like that tenant who runs a meth lab in their apartment and then tries to sue when the landlord rightfully evicts them.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Exactly.

[@ilonafleischer924]

I was going to make pretty much this exact analogy. Part of the problem is that people don't understand how the internet works and somehow think that "the internet" took Parler down, and there's no way for it to get back online, because they don't realize there are other hosting platforms. Actually, given that Amazon offered to help them migrate, it's more like the landlord evicts the tenant, promises to keep the tenant's stuff safe until they find new housing, AND pays for a moving truck to move the tenant's belongings to their new place

[@aprilmason1616]

@@ilonafleischer924 thanks for the analogy👍

[@johnladuke6475]

@@ilonafleischer924 "Listen man. I will hire some movers to make sure your meth lab arrives safely at any address you give them. Just please, please, leave."

[@jb888888888]

OHHHH! See, I was confused when the law talking guy tried to explain it, but now that you've given an example I can relate to, I understand completely.

[@SRFriso94]

"It may get expensive..." _Laughs in Jeff Bezos' bank account._

[@Vohlfied]

The audio was playing as I drive, but I heard a smirk in his voice as he said that.

[@InvisiblerApple]

@@Vohlfied I was going to meme, but "video you can hear" doesn't quite work XD

[@saveritas731]

*accounts, plural :)

[@whatis4295]

@@Vohlfied 25:06

[@raphaelsolo]

@@InvisiblerApple facial expressions you can hear

[@adamsfusion]

Famous lawyer tells me why Parler is whack then sells me underwear.

[@Zaluskowsky]

Rofl

[@DelphineDofain]

"It's time to think like a corporate lawyer, the rest of this video will be available after you input your credit card number"

[@teridactyl1250]

I’ll never understand why people complain about being punished for breaking the TOS of companies they use. It’s called the ‘terms of service’ for a reason - if they break it, then surely they would understand that they don’t get service from the company.

[@RequiemPoete]

Rules for thee but not for me.

[@translatedbird1162]

The issue with platforms like Twitter and KZbin is the vagueness in their ToS, allowing them to ban you for basically any reason they desire. An example would be to ban someone for "hatespeech" which doesn't actually tell anyone what they did wrong, which doesn't help at all. The person who was banned will merely go onto a different platform and play the victim and make the platform they were banned from look worse than before.

[@kevak1236]

It's called the free market and capitalism, you know, the ones the republican party are all for. If their ToS and actions drive people away then they'll amend their ToS and moderate their actions to get back customers. I don't see Facebook and Twitter being too concerned about blocking QAnon and any hate speech. As providers they can do whatever they like and the free market will determine if they are successful in the long run.

[@boxhead6177]

ToS is full of terms and conditions that are directly tied to legislation. One of those international laws requires technology companies to remove terrorist/criminal/illegal content as quickly as technically possible. Parler refused to comply with that law (as a social media platform), so Amazon had no choice.

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Unless declared unconscionable by the courts.

[@abbycolby4543]

"If you're watching this channel, you're an adult" *Thinks* "but hey! I'm not an adult!" *remembers that I am, in fact, an adult, and have been for a while now*

[@lucybronkema6486]

Well, not all of us are.

[@jorgeluz9560]

I deeply thank Addison Cain for getting me to finally understand what "dismissed WITH PREJUDICE" actually means.

[@angelfaye101]

I’ve read her books. Why?

[@wajmgirl]

@@angelfaye101 because she’s a hack

[@pennifold]

I always hear it Jenny’s voice now :)

[@senorsnout4417]

@@angelfaye101 Her habit of suing people who says things she doesn't like or even look at her wrong, and her encounter with Lindsay Ellis.

[@cshairydude]

"... unless it's against public policy" This seems like something you should talk about more. What is public policy and what does it mean for a contract to be against it?

[@sillypiratehooker]

Seconding the motion. This is a great, fruitful area of discussion. Public policy, especially respect to Con law, is a fascinating topic with an extensive history.

[@thisisit3333]

Wonderful idea! Hope Legal Eagle sees.

[@Zarkawi17]

Wait, they're claiming defamation because Amazon said they're unable or unwilling to remove content? But, they didn't remove the content, they admitted to 27,000+ backlogged items. It seems to me Amazon was being charitable by including the "unable" part, what other options even are there for why the posts would never have been moderated? The only theoretical other option for why the posts were left up I can think of would be "we were forced to", which definitely doesn't seem to be what they're claiming at all.

[@Felice_Enellen]

Personally, I'm curious what a typical backlog on Twitter is like. I've submitted reports about people saying horrible things on twitter (e.g. calling for someone to be killed) and not received a response for over a month, while the person and the tweet both remained on Twitter. I suspect 27,000 is a rather small number when it comes to moderation backlogs.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

@@Felice_Enellen Twitter probably can show a "good faith effort" to enforce their TOS and any backlog is a result of their *insane* number of posts; at least on paper. Also Twitter does things like Twitter Probation (12-36 hours where only your followers can see your posts) and Twitter Jail (1-7 day unappealable suspensions) Twitter has a bunch of keywords that trigger an auto-response and so if their algorithms catch a billion posts a month and their moderation team handles another 100 million posts a month, a 30 day backlog of 1 million reports wouldn't seem that bad lol

[@Felice_Enellen]

@@mitchellhorton9382 Yeah I'm sure the scales would be significantly different, but it may be that 20-30K is entirely to be expected, given Parler's userbase and the number of things that need to be moderated. It may or may not be an indication of a failing system. I have no context to know. Giving the number without context seems a bit disingenuous to me if, for instance, the backlog on any given day on Twitter could be in the millions while Twitter is presumably considered to be doing an adequate job. Either number will seem large without context. It seems kind of sketchy not to explain what the number _ought_ to be, perhaps when compared to an operation where it's appropriate. What number is considered successful? 10,000 1000? 100? Would those numbers seem large if they had been the ones we saw first? It's all about context.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

@@Felice_Enellen I don't think Parler had that many users at the time (that email was in nov 2020 and so the data would be from Sept-Oct 2020 at the latest) The relevant numbers are ratio and clear times which we don't have the data for (but Amazon would have had it, it just wasn't in those emails)

[@anondecepticon]

@@Felice_Enellen One of the lines he highlighted in the contract said objectionable posts had to be removed *immediately.* That might be impossible to actually do (hence the backlog) but if they agreed to it, they’re still on the hook and likely in for a lengthy argument about how the contract defines “immediately” in this particular context (e.g. within 24 hours).

[@cmhsky]

Parler: "can't touch this nuh nuh nuh nuh". Amazon :"don't need to. Your on our servers" *turns them off*

[@Lhikan634]

Now you really *can't* tough this

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

You're*

[@johnwolf2829]

People who can't win an argument censor their enemy. Book burnings will be next, starting with Dr. Seuss.

[@Lhikan634]

​@@johnwolf2829 That was his own estate concerning a small handful of books that they've simply stopped printing. Fabricated evidence is inadmissible

[@Doso777]

@@johnwolf2829 Who was censored? President Trump had a full blown press room down the hall from his office where he could speak to the world pretty much whenever he wanted. The "people" that could have simply used any of the thousand of other services available for communications.

[@Emanon...]

"Time to think like a corporate lawyer" I really do not want to do that

[@WarOnCorruption]

The issue with the Parler situation is the fact I can literally name off multiple groups on Facebook that are similar to those that got Parler removed.

[@noesunyoutuber7680]

Facebook doesn't use AWS, so that's on them to moderate. Parler was using Amazon's servers under an agreement that they were expected to uphold, which they didn't. Amazon wanted them to remove certain content and they didn't, it's an entirely business question. Whether it's fair is immaterial because it's a contract Parler agreed to, so they accepted Amazon's terms but wouldn't uphold their agreement. Now, the argument of Parler fans that Parler is the only place for wild right-wing rhetoric (AKA Free Speech) is, on the other hand, rather undercut by that information...

[@larnolarno6800]

AWS doesn't respect free speech, Parler should have known that. That was their big mistake

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

Whataboutism aside, so? You answered the core of the case, AWS has no obligation to host them and there are other services available for them to use that will let them have their stupid little hate party in.

[@Fallen7Pie]

I was in a game with a teenager streaming to twitch and parlor who said this among other things: "I'm supposed to report them if they're planning something violent or riot or some shit but you know slide me a few dollars through the donate and look the other way." About how illegal does that sound?

[@frostyskeletons8950]

Yikes, if they’re caught saying that by Twitch they could very likely lose their account (rightfully IMO) for violating Twitch’s ToS. Edgelords really like losing money huh

[@nobodysmith8580]

I think the threats would have to be VERY specific and demonstrate a willingness to follow through with said threats. Free speech would provide a wide latitude, but twitch could shut down the streamer regardless.

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

It's fine as long as you're the president. Imagine if all Americans had a bicameral jury system where half of at least one of the two juries to pass had your supporters. Voir dire? Yeah, nah. Crazy americans. 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿😉

[@rhov-anion]

If they were caught actually taking bribes to not follow the rules, they'd definitely be banned. Twitch tries to be strict.

[@dantemcedgelord9331]

@@frostyskeletons8950 i am the only real edgelord and never had any money to begin with

[@Alverant]

"leaves out key facts" which seems to be a common factor of conservative arguments.

[@deusexaethera]

Technically it's a common factor in _any_ politically-partisan argument. Anyone making a factual argument in support of an ideology will cherry-pick facts. That's what makes ideology so fundamentally poisonous to the intellect.

[@Tzizenorec]

Well, it's basically how our legal system works across the board: one party presents the facts they like, the other party presents the facts _they_ like, and we hope that between the two of them they present every fact that matters. If there's a key fact that isn't in their favor, they're entirely within their rights to leave it to the _other_ party to bring that fact to the court's attention. (This is completely different from academic arguments, where every person involved is expected to be an impartial judge who does their own research.)

[@georgedent7601]

@@Tzizenorec I dont like the way facts is used in that context. Facrs are provable, and exist outside of anyone's opinion. People can lie and pretend rhe facts are on their side, but you cant have different facts.

[@Tzizenorec]

@@georgedent7601 Sure you can have different facts. There are plenty of facts in the world, more than enough to pick and choose. (You can't have contradicting facts, of course, but it's amazing how close facts can come to contradicting each other without actually doing it.) Facts are not on anyone's side. They can be _used_ to support one side or the other, but the facts themselves do not particularly care, and will often turn out to be rather confusing if you are honest about trying to let them speak for themselves.

[@aoikemono6414]

@@deusexaethera Too bad when it comes to conservatives, the key facts are always the elephant in the room.

[@jochenstacker7448]

"Feels like absolutely nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all... Stupid, sexy LegalEagle!

[@q-tip9962]

Hahaha, that was good reference sir

[@KertaDrake]

Any company not giving themselves an emergency "We can cancel this just because we want to at any time" clause in every contract needs better contract negotiators.

[@aetherofthenorth9700]

WHEN are we gonna think like an eagle!?

[@nobodyknows3180]

I need breakfast. Time to go scrape up roadkill somewhere.

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

They like fresh fish better than road kill.

[@oriolgonzalez9328]

Screw that. When are we gonna FLY like an eagle?

[@nobodyknows3180]

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems yeah, when they can get it. Bird's still gotta eat!

[@TonboIV]

@@nobodyknows3180 This guy scavenges.

[@lucase.2546]

Parler couldn’t Par-lay their success, it seems...

[@TheNeverposts]

^O^ I see what you did there...

[@JSUTrumpet]

So you stole a joke that was already in this video? Good job.

[@iamhere6893]

You're Kirgizstani?

[@nathanbruce1992]

Boooooo!

[@RequiemPoete]

Damned to the depths the Ruddy bastard who thought the term parley!!!!

[@bryanabbott6169]

I can just see a litigious person disappointed that the Legal Briefs briefs are missing the LegalEagle logo, citing emotional damage.

[@Nobody.Important000]

That "Sexy Contract" pun was the worst thing i've ever heard and i love it

[@AT-rr2xw]

I vocally exclaimed "JESUS" to no one.

[@cmorris9494]

Wham! I mean it literally and figurative

[@AT-rr2xw]

@Cyber Ghost It is a reference to the song SexyBack by Justin Timberlake, where he claims that he is bringing "sexy" back. It made little sense in the original song, but Legal Eagle deliberately made it even more ridiculous. It is barely a pun.

[@cmorris9494]

The melody to the sexy contract was a wham! Somg.

[@christinebenson518]

@@AT-rr2xw Do you remember when Al Gore said "Justin Timberlake is bringing sexy back. Well here I am."? It's honestly as good as his macarana.

[@AcceptMyGenius]

LegalEagle that fifty shades clip was so well placed. I can’t 😂

[@nlg2076]

The quality of your videos are getting so much better over time. The camera you are now using, good lighting setup, excellent framing and slick background make this very visually appealing to watch. Additionally, your b-roll and stock footage fits in real nicely....also, the content is great.

[@jfh667]

Lets make laws so that it will be impossible for anyone to ever be convicted of it. Thats for the rich. For YOU, the laws are so vague that you can be charged for anything.

[@dafiltafish]

That defamation argument seems really weak considering AWS has repeatedly told them to quit dragging their heels and hire people to moderate the website if the tribunal idea was not working. It'll be interesting to see if anything sticks in this lawsuit, if only because I think nothing will.

[@cericat]

And that really is the biggest burden Parler faces, their lack of willingness to abide by the ToS they signed.

[@cericat]

@Philip L Tite yeah defamation is an uphill battle for the claimant, they have to prove harm was done and that the statement was something the defendant knew was not factual, and the defendant does have a good faith defence in that they didn't knowingly say something inaccurate. Slightly abridged but that's generally how it works in English speaking nations. Devin's covered it a few times recently with more particulars relevant to US law. Parler as I see it doesn't have a leg to stand on for breach of contract or defamation.

[@vict4451]

Check out Texas. Instead of trying to help those that suffered during the freeze, the governor thought his time was better spent dealing with social media "silencing" conservative viewpoints.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

@@mangonel *dignity

[@Pantsinabucket]

@@mangonel “remember when”? Well you’ve got exactly 0 years between the GOP being the party of Trump, the Tea Party, Bush, Gingrich, and back to good old Strom Thurmond. Do Lee Atwater’s ideas that won the elections for Nixon and Bush Sr really reflect dignified Republican values?

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

@@mangonel no problem, have a good weekend 🙂

[@Bebrop]

As someone living in Texas. Abbot is awful. He keeps putting in legislation and taking actions that benefit him and his party regardless of facts or if it's a reasonable course of action. For God's sake, he's about to stop the mask mandate here! I can't wait to boot him from office.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Yeah, they complain about being silenced on national TV, in front of millions of viewers lol

[@garycross90]

You may be the only person who can make law entertaining, funny, and interesting--all at the same time! Thanks for the great work.

[@boxhead6177]

Section 230 is full of amendments that are part of international agreements/pacts. One of those amendments requires domestic/international terrorism content be removed as quickly as technically possible. Its a pact a lot of nations and tech companies agreed to unilaterally after the NZ massacre. This law is reflected in S230 and most Code of Conducts and Terms of Services. Amazon was complying with an international agreement that Parler refused to acknowledge, by their own admission of the backlog. If Parler was refusing to take down terrorist content, Amazon took down the terrorist content the only way it technically (and quickly) could.

[@johnsoto4807]

I remember downloading parler out of curiosity. I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

[@StickmanChmook]

Same. I never knew my faith in humanity could possibly drop any lower.

[@aprilmason1616]

Tell me more?😶😂

[@rylian21]

@@aprilmason1616 It's basically a Twitter clone that allows the N-word.

[@juliabrooks8396]

​@@aprilmason1616 Imagine a huge circle-jerk of boomers that believe the democrats are causing the fall of western civilization

[@johnsoto4807]

@@juliabrooks8396 my words exactly

[@AceOfSevens]

Isn't Parler back up on a different platform now? That really undermines the irreparable harm argument.

[@beeble2003]

They were harmed by the time they were offline.

[@Vohlfied]

But that was a small amount of time domestic terrorists couldn't plot to attack the government, so, I think it's OK.

[@zargondm]

So my broken leg healed, I can not sue for damages.

[@factsandlogic.8762]

@@zargondm that’s the point op is making- your leg healed. you can sue for damages, sure, but your leg didn’t have to get amputated. if you showed up to the court claiming “irreparable damages” with two working legs, that undermines your claim.

[@AceOfSevens]

@@zargondm There's a difference between damages & irreparable harm. Irreparable harm is damages that can't be dealt with in a judgment. The fact they were able to get back up in a few days shows the harm wasn't irreparable, so the remedy here if they had a case would be a judgment or settlement, not an injunction.

[@DawnBurn]

Man... that you got through that initial opening about how Parler removal was a not a problem with a straight face I'll never know.

[@ThePinkBinks]

Parler: for those who want to hide their shit in a cesspool.

[@HiddenOcelot]

can say the same about twitter? there used to be huge threads of people calling for killing people on twitter, that would stay up for months on end before eventually getting taken down, on that front twitter was doing worse then parler at curbing the hate on their platform. but you know, the incident happened and twitter said "oh shit we have all this hate, better clean that up really fast lol"

[@SirBlackReeds]

Implying Twitter isn't already a cesspool.

[@ph8632]

@@HiddenOcelot You cant use logic with a moron. They just dont get it. Pinkbink swallowed a pill. Until that fool coughs it up, they wont hear anything other than what they are programmed to hear.

[@HiddenOcelot]

@@ph8632 I mean you're right, but even still if it falls on undeaf ears, then I don't care if it changes thier mind, just that it might change a single mind

[@Rakzu170]

Not much different than the anti-masker being removed from private business for violating their rules.

[@ilovefunnyamv2nd]

actually theres a huge difference, Parlor agreed to it beforehand in writing, antimaskers just tresspassed on notice

[@richardsilva5110]

@@ilovefunnyamv2nd The analogy still holds somewhat, when entering a private business you are complying to their policies and the laws, decrees and other norms said business is under, in essence an implied contract

[@QDWhite]

"It’s like I’m wearing nothing at all!" Stupid sexy Flanders

[@memegazer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZLIg4BtjcSsiZY

[@Sorcerers_Apprentice]

Stupid sexy contract law

[@Dave_thenerd]

I'm a Canadian Web Developer and Programmer, and honestly putting all the politics and right-wing terrorism aside for the moment; I'm honestly shocked a programmer would choose AWS for such as site. Amazon's Web Hosting division is a huge company, much bigger than their retail business with 10s of thousands of websites hosted world wide, so their terms of service are very specific and among the strictest on the internet. Since, if they had to adjudicate or investigate every little questionable piece of content on that many websites, they would need an army of moderators in the 100,000 range and given the kind of content those moderators come across on a regular basis, they typically demand to be well paid (gotta pay the therapists for their eye bleach); being less strict would be unbelievably expensive and could make their service offerings unprofitable. If it were me doing the coding (not gonna happen I'm NOT a Nazi!) I would have advised them to host the Website & the rest of the platform on their own servers. First-time setup can be very expensive, and for a platform that large you would generally need to hire at least one fulltime Web Master to manage the servers, but in general it's cheaper in the long run and you have direct control over your own content moderation (although, that's not always a good thing as it can make it easier for malicious users to abuse your platform's services, See the capital riot for a textbook example) Evidently these people have never heard of 4chan and they think AWS is the only game in town.

[@juliewoodcock4655]

I was wondering that. My company has its own servers, and we aren’t even that big.

[@chrisl4999]

@@juliewoodcock4655 The answer is simply that it is relatively cheap, fast setup, and you essentially pay as you go. There's a fair amount of staff and build out that does not need to happen if you decide to host with AWS or any of the other cloud providers.

[@stinew358]

You use AWS because you can scale up and down at will.

[@Shippo7777]

"WITH PREJUDICE" - said in the tone of Jenny Nicholson as Addison Cain

[@fredskull1618]

Jack Sparrow: Parleley, parlelellyleloooo, par le nee, partner, par... snip, parsley... Ragetti: PARLER? Jack Sparrow: That's the one. Parler. Parler. Pintel: Parler? Damn to the depths whatever man what thought of "Parler". Jack Sparrow: That would be the Proud Boys.

[@Xzanah]

I tip my hat to you, good sir, for an amazing parodied adaptation of this information.

[@fredskull1618]

@@Xzanah thank you sir

[@imnotagoodperson4446]

Yes! Thank you Fred Skull! You’ve made my weekend!

[@iansteelmatheson]

I gotta say. only a perpetually-drunk pirate would consider calling an app "parler", a word which people who only speak english are guaranteed to pronounce wrong.

[@denisefragale7007]

@@iansteelmatheson Did not Amazon give them notice when they first notified Parlor about the content that Amazon found questionable?

[@downstream0114]

Seems like they just clicked through the EULA.

[@griff9288]

Objection - Contract pun was an extreme stretch and very unpunny

[@hadrianrex117]

I guarantee every Canadian pronounces this "par-lay."

[@Angie-Pants]

That's how it was originally pronounced, but its user base couldn't figure out the silent R.

[@aydenmikita]

Je ne parle pas francais, I think that reads correctly and hopefully will explain why, as a canadian, I'll just go with the defacto americanese pronunciation.

[@ColinGeiger0]

I am really enjoying the shorts in-between the actual episodes

[@ceoatcrystalsoft4942]

He's doing less full episodes because of that

[@braydenjohnson2090]

you shouldn’t. he’s becoming politics instead of law and then masking it behind a flimsy veil of law

[@idontneedaname318]

@@braydenjohnson2090 he only posts updates on politics when it had something to do with the law and considering most of politics is abt who should b allowed to write execute and judge the laws it's only natural he also ends up talking abt politics.

[@vengefulspirit99]

@@braydenjohnson2090 it's like you didn't even watch the video.

[@trickyagent127]

@@braydenjohnson2090 The whole reason why he is focusing on politics is 1. He has a personal interest in these topics, his channel, his rules 2. They are relevant to what's happening rn. If the whole point of the channel is educating about the law, then talking about relevant topics takes these events out of the realm of opinion, and into the realm of the law.

[@FatAlbert1020]

Came for the litigation, stayed for the Legal Briefs

[@princessaria]

I love these videos, they are so accessible and easy to understand. This video basically confirms what I felt before.

[@touristtea6076]

Love what you do! I've always wondered the law behind these big news stories I hear and how people get off in court, but lose in the court of public opinion.

[@CooroSnowFox]

If Amazon got ANY heat from the actions of Parler, they wouldn't be very pleased about that.

[@BigHenFor]

They won't have any heat from parler at all. Parler breached their terms of conditions by failing to moderate the content on their platform effectively. A backlog of 26000 cases explained by a shrug of their shoulders should put their case in the trash can.

[@anondecepticon]

Exactly. I got an ad on KZbin yesterday about signing a petition in protest of Amazon “silencing and censorship” conservative voices on Parler, and the whole time I was thinking, _Amazon isn’t suddenly anti-conservative, you dopes, they just don’t want to risk being accused of supporting domestic terrorism, or being targeted for lawsuits because they’ve got deep pockets._

[@anondecepticon]

@James Rooks I don’t see where religion enters into it, but if the alternative is appearing to support something _illegal,_ then yes.

[@christinebenson518]

@James Rooks Well, I'm sure Amazon offends conservative Muslims, do you have a problem with that as well?

[@Mina_Angel]

@James Rooks Your argument is about as hollow as Trump's 2020 election win.

[@chriscarnes9081]

Hi, could you please add some closed captions. Thank you.

[@BigMamaDaveX]

🙏 Yes, please do! On behalf of the hearing impaired viewers and SUBSCRIBERS (like me!) please add subtitles. Then I'll HEAR you in court! 😉

[@tracyblanchard7663]

I'd absolutely be for that. Would also help for those curious about the concepts addressed that might be more difficult to discern a keyword for at a glance.

[@alexdasliebe5391]

The “CC” button turns on subtitles. Just did this on iOS.

[@tracyblanchard7663]

@@alexdasliebe5391 Those are auto-generated, which notoriously does speech-to-text worse than a phone from 2014 does. Granted, Devin does articulate really well for it.

[@keesalemon]

Commenting and upvoting here so Devin sees this! Also good for people whose first language isn't English

[@generybarczyk6993]

Excellent exposition. Thanks.

[@dfailsthemost]

Thank you for reiterating that the 1st amendment has nothing to do with companies providing platforms for communication for profit.

[@tohon]

“Feels like wearing nothing at all” Stupid sexy eagle

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

That'd be why there's so many people in the comments of all his vids thirsting over "Law Daddy".

[@Ajehy]

I read that as “Stupid Sexy Seagull” 😆

[@tohon]

@@Ajehy that’s when dj goes on his vacation shoots and shows off the shorts and T-shirt look

[@DBEO23]

@@ThePhantomSafetyPin Okay. Don’t judge us for having rly good taste in certain Legal Content Creators😂

[@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953]

We all know you were on the edge of your seat, tingling with excitement when you watched 50 Shades. You loved that sexy contract negotiation didn't you Mr. Eagle?

[@antimonyneamhan9824]

"I'm bringing sexy contract" I didn't know you had kids. Congrats.

[@allanlank]

When agreeing to an EUA, I say to myself, "Yes, I'm selling my soul but it's cheap anyway". Parler on the other hand had already sold its soul (although it's really soulless) to the devil. Your ad for Mack Weldon was excellently transitioned to, as are all your sponsor's ads. It reminds me of the old cliché "Only a lawyer would consider a 500 page document a brief".

[@tonnman7924]

Me: Finds this channel because of dumb laws in TV shows. Me now: Is always ready to learn about literally anything DJ talks about.

[@dantreadwell7421]

I am impressed you made it through that opening without breaking character.

[@CoryAtRandom]

Great delivery as always!!!!

[@wbuchanan1952]

"I'm bringing sexy... contract" You should be disbarred for that. :)

[@bomber92ful]

I'm sorry sir, but I'm afraid that you'll be hearing from my injury attorney because that joke physically hurt me

[@jeffreypierson2064]

Which one? Sexy contract?

[@mrvex6695]

Competitiion is a word the big tech hates and it will always look for reasons to damage or restrict them. Even if they boot them for reasons that both Twitter and Facebook are all guilty off.

[@Corpsegrinderr]

it's just an antimasker screaming "this is a free country" in a walmart, except the walmart is AWS and the antimasker is parler

[@crimsoninsight97]

Speaking of Amazon, workers attempting to join unions are asking people to boycott Amazon and Amazon Prime Video from 3/7 - 3/14 in a show of support for workers and their right to unionize!

[@katrand5357]

Abby, thank you for posting, I'm in!

[@everlytriplett112]

You've got my support!

[@jonasdatlas4668]

How is there even still anything to this case given they’re sort of back now and Amazon has the typical we can do just about anything ToS?

[@MrBlack1968]

The argument is that "We can do just about anything ToS" are unlawful. As they should be, Amazon have a dominant market position and that should to be taken into account. They can't use that position to kill competition.

[@jonasdatlas4668]

@@MrBlack1968 Parler freely agreed to that ToS though, and Amazon holds a big but hardly monopolistic market position. The internet is by its very nature immensely distributed and the fact that even sites like The Daily Stormer and indeed now Parler still find someone to host them cuts strongly against the argument that Amazon has a position in the market that would merit regulating them more strongly.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@MrBlack1968 except they didn't use their platform to "kill competition", they used it to police violent, extremist rhetoric, which is entirely within their rights.

[@ooffordays566]

@@MrBlack1968 You’re making it sound like Amazon was in competition with Parler. They were the ones actively profiting from it, by all accounts they owned Parler, so if “the free market” weighs in on this, they’re allowed to do with Parler what they see as necessary.

[@vengefulspirit99]

@@MrBlack1968 if you don't like it, go make your own company. Amazon web services access isn't a constitutional right.

[@davidwhitcher1708]

Thank you for explaining Court Thingies.

[@jacobrodriguez3712]

One of these days I would like to see Devin try his best to act as a devil’s advocate for stupid cases like this.

[@johnvogel3722]

No thank you. They already cannot form valid arguments because of how deranged they are, I don't want them having the ammunition of a good argument.

[@Jehty_]

Just look at the arguments provided by Parlers lawyers. Devin would probably say the same things. Unless Parlers lawyers are idiots. But I don't think so. They did the best they could do :)

[@EdibleClown]

Feels like I'm wearin' nothing at all, nothing all, nothing at all! Gah! Stupid sexy Devin

[@matthiasjoseph4863]

He said he liked to wear their products when he wasn't in Court or on a Zoom call, but that includes boxers you know ? So perhaps in front of you right now is not a Legal but a Commando Eagle...

[@EdibleClown]

@@matthiasjoseph4863 better that than as a cat or in the middle of surgery