[Part 1/5] George Monbiot on Why Capitalism Cannot Save Our Planet from Climate Change

In light of the potential collapse of our climate, momentum garnered by Greta Thunberg and raging Australian wildfires, Intelligence Squared hosted a climate change debate. Our first speaker George Monbiot makes the case for the motion "To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism".
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George Monbiot argues for the motion in for the climate change debate "To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism"
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[@Intelligence-Squared]

Monbiot mentions the quote, "it is easier to imagine the end of the world, than to imagine the end of capitalism". Does this ring true?

[@MrMjdc]

yep

[@laymantalks8113]

Socialism takes what Capitalism creates...Because of Capitalism you are able to utilize the KZbin platform and live a comfortable life unlike the generations before you.

[@laymantalks8113]

@Robin Sherwood Free Market Capitalism has out lived all failed attempts at Socialism. Fractional Reserve Banking is the cause of most financial woes.

[@edgardotdot2795]

The all-knowing God as the Author and Creator of the flawless physical and spiritual universe in front of the foolish eternal and spiritual imperfections of Satan, the worthless devil is the final word in front of all what you are thinking and saying. The main conflict and problem of both system of Capitalism in the Western world and the Communist Marxist Socialism form of government is that both these two system of governance are denying, defying and trampling underfoot the fallen and sinful nature of humanity in which the wisdom of justice and the rule of law are surely denied and discarded as non-existence on this fallen and sinful world of the living in the past up to the present. The problem of climate change is so simple in which all what we humans have to do is plant all kinds of trees and fruit trees on the hills and mountains of the earth so thay as time comes the cycle of the wisdom of life and death on this earth as indeed also powered by the irreconcilable tree of the knowledge of good and evil will just take its course naturally. I knew this for the fact that I had been a servant, prophet of the omnipotent God on this fallen world for more than 3 decades now of my life. In fact, I had also already measured the foolishness and nothingness of Satan, the worthless devil by even betting to him my body and soul and that through the guidance, blessing, nurturing and inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God who indeed also walked with me all the way through in front of all the crucible in my life and that here I am still well and alive by the grace (power) of the Holy Spirit of God upon me. Both the holiness of the Godhead and Satan, the worthless devil are not surely not jokes on this fallen world. Therefore, everything on this earth are all in the all-knowing will, wisdom, and in God's hand and surely not in the hands of any of all the fallen and sinful humans in the past up to the present from generation to generation up to the present whether any fallen humans will like these or not at all.

[@arminulrich2319]

Yes - think of Jehovas Whitnesses: they are allways claiming "The end of the world is near" So does the climate sect. The end of capitalism is not near. If it would be violently stopped, it would take only a few persons to rebuild it.

[@jackowill5146]

To all the ignorant comments made attacking George, is it really so difficult to comprehend that a system predicated on exponential growth in a finite planetary system is destined not end to well? That shouldn't be a controversial point. Leave aside temperature rises, if you like. The corollary of endless growth is necessarily the devouring of resources. Are people really so myopic as to not see that seas devoid of fish and an amazon that doesn't exist a few decades down the road might pose a problem? To identify and acknowledge this is not communism but an empathy and concern for values other than greed.

[@karljonsson5577]

So how are we gonna make sure people dont consume as much, by force?

[@karljonsson5577]

Maybe its time to give out ration cards for food, clothes and electronics

[@beet1]

The amazon will grow back quickly. C02 is an excellent plant food essential for all live on earth !

[@jackowill5146]

@@beet1 It won't grow back if it keeps being chopped down to make way for palm oil, and that's what will happen when civilisation's chief concern is increasing GDP.

[@beet1]

@@jackowill5146 These palms are beautiful and only grown in the tropics. Australia used to be a rainforest but the eucalyptus blue gums needed to burn to germinate and consequently anything that couldn't regenerate after the fires perished. So the eucalypts took over all the forests on the eastern side of Australia. Was it a natural occurrence or fault of the aborigines over 50,000 years ?

[@shaunahunter9757]

"To call for the end to capitalism in the 21st century is like sayintgGod is dead in the 19th'', that's it

[@kishan2k21]

On point and sound arguments 💯✨

[@kayvanfareghi3845]

Why didn't anybody mention RBE (Resource Based Economy) in this discussion. RBE it's a process (not a sudden change of the system) with focus on education and automation of most administrative and meaningless routine jobs as fast as possible. It basically pushes towards sharing resource intelligently and fairly by using scientific methods and solutions, creating abundance and ultimately eliminating the monetary money based system and competition. It's a process, but the mechanisms integrated in capitalism don't even allow the process to start.

[@JakubKieblesz]

So true.

[@JakubKieblesz]

Kayvan Fareghi, You are literally a Communist and I respect that. You talk about abundance, getting rid of money and maximising automation. This is literally what every communist wants. Communism is an economic system that follows socialism where is no money, state and class. It is a society that has super abundance, has no police forces/military, has no monetary system (finance), and is only made up of workers (so no capitalists). By the way I am a Marxist-leninist.

[@kayvanfareghi3845]

@@JakubKieblesz It doesn't matter what you call it. If it works then we must use it to solve the current problems! I would very much like to see where communism say that it doesn't use money though, because I believe this is the main problem. We must move toward a moneyless society with an economy based on science and availability of resources, which is a process of course! Unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen soon, unless we reach a point, where we face a kind catastrophe or something!

[@JakubKieblesz]

@@kayvanfareghi3845 Socialism is lower stage communism and there is a higher stage of communism. The higher stage was never achieved in human history and I would definitely recommend for you to search the Marxist definition of communism. Just so we are clear communism has never been achieved only socialism was.

[@JakubKieblesz]

@@kayvanfareghi3845 A very cool idea when it comes to planning the economy would be to use a CEP (computerised economic plan) and in this way we would be able to plan the entire economy of any country with computers, similar to how the internet coordinates national and international communication. The CEP would be the same and all of the CEP's of the world would then communicate with each other to create a stage of superabundance where all the needs of the world would be met. Higher stage Communism basically requires superabundance and when that happens then we could get rid of money as it would become useless if supply always meet demand (thanks to the CEP) and there is no scarcity. Another way of looking at this would be the consideration of the fact that money is a form of exchange between decentralised producers so if all industry and producers are centralised and coordinated together then you wouldn't need money anymore for exchange.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

Conflict of interests. The environment stands in the way of $$$.

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Exactly. They get it intuitively. Finite resources on a finite planet. Simple equation.

[@damian_taylor]

Excellent argument.

[@andrewtrip8617]

No it's development that does it .the figures are in .Once a country is developed its emmisions go down and its concern for the environment goes up .

[@mariocamoes401]

Where's the rest of the video? 🤔

[@westhampsteadlarks2781]

A most essential message for Cop meanderings. Read

[@KateFrancis-eo2rp]

But where is part 2???

[@desmawisata54]

good

[@climatecraze]

This is gooder ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/en_Ipp2CZq6ieaM

[@xge555]

Aerosol masking is the catch 22. Without it now we fry according to Emeritus Prof Guy McPherson.

[@marcodallolio9746]

Those who believe capitalism's ingenuity will find a technological fix believe the cause of a problem can be its solution

[@brianjacob8728]

they are just kicking the can down the road.

[@SchgurmTewehr]

The funny thing is that capitalism can only continue with life on Earth. Two recent reports suggested that half of global GDP depends on functioning ecosystems. So even capitalism should revisit itself to remain capitalism.

[@Danycuraj]

half of global GDP depends on functioning ecosystems? what does the other half depend on? :D disruptions in ecosystems lead to food and water shortages and social disruptions.. everything we do depends on functioning ecosystems, these economic models are so funny with their wild assumptions decoupled from reality. greetings from an economist

[@brucefullwood]

Yeah, Moonbat is about right.

[@hamishjohnappleby3825]

I vote Monbiot for president of the world!

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Lol! A wee bit late. We are way past the 1.5 C temp rise they allegedly claim as the "gold" standard. Its over. Either book a flight with an alien spaceship or one of the U.S./ alien designed craft or live in one of the many tunnels for a few years or face your imminent very near term extinction. We are all going to end up in the same place anyway albeit with slightly different arrival times. Just mourn for the young who will not get to live their dreams in this physical realm.

[@Harrier_DuBois]

Part one only????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ricardoguanipa8275]

okay so how is going to convince the OPEC nations; The Arabs, Africans and South Americans with nationalized Oil and Gas Industries to phase out their number 1 export

[@landonpowell6296]

We don't need to. We're the ones buying it.

[@newinternetuser9579]

@@landonpowell6296 Good point.

[@liamwinter4512]

Cant wait to listen for the echoes

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Yes. You know. See you.. well you know that too... Love.

[@andrewtrip8617]

Mombiot confuses agrarian capitalism with industrial capitalism .why?

[@JamesGray-tb3gg]

Australia's bushfire season this year (2019/2020) is only 1/6 the size of the largest fire season Australia has had since settlement. 1974/75 saw 117 million hectares burnt, this season saw a mere 19 million hectares burnt. The 2002 fire season saw 48 million hectares burnt and 1969/70 saw 38 million hectares burnt... The 2019/20 fires were largely caused drought (which real climate scientists say they are unsure is linked to climate change) and by poor land management due to the green movement in the 1970's. Check the facts before you start talking old timer, and don't talk about my country if you don't know anything about it (like fires being an occurrence every year and every year is generally larger than anywhere else in the world). Also - why dont you ask China and Russia how communism went for them, 60 million dead Russians, 80 million dead Chinese, both now transitioning to more capital economies because they dont work... Just disgusting and a complete disregard for human life, history and human nature that someone could even suggest to go down the road of communism once more.

[@beet1]

Well said ! Spot on ! Silent Australians, it's time to speak up !!!

[@therealKINDLE]

Communism is capitalism. It still uses money. How many times do I have to keep telling ppl this.

[@brianjacob8728]

@@therealKINDLE communism was funded by capitalists bc the capitalists needed a boogieman for the public to fixate on instead of focusing on how badly they were getting screwed economically.

[@clivemathieu9386]

Watermelon 🍉

[@ReubenSound]

Nice reference 😉

[@arminulrich2319]

Exactly - they (not only he) admit it clearly.

[@caseyspaos448]

Better than being dead on the outside and dead on the inside

[@xaverlustig3581]

There's nothing wrong with advocating socialism per se, but "controlling the climate" is the worst of all reasons for it.

[@larrysherk]

Rosemary Radford Ruether (sociologist) says, "There can be no liberation for women and no solution to the ecological crisis within a society whose fundamental model is domination." The disappearance of our 8000 year old Patriarchy is one of the huge changes we are now undergoing. I can't wait to see an earth society in which we are all fully men and women.

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Well you will be waiting a very very long time and likely not on earth.Do you know how many nuke plants exist on earth? 444 active currently. Do you know what will happen when only a fraction of those meltdown? You ask.. why would they meltdown? Long answer shortened (abrupt climate collapse). Basically Earth quickly turns into Venus. Plausible? Again without going into extreme detail humans believe they can control the weather, consume infinitely without consequences and governments all look out for our welfare.We are "f" ed whether you like it or not. Inevitable. 🤘

[@dougraddi908]

The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged. With the first link the chain is forged, the first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. We think we've come so far, torture of heretics, burning of witches is all ancient history. Then before you can blink an eye, suddenly it threatens to start all over again. Money runs the world, the powerful set the rules, man has not changed. We are doomed

[@galvanaut7119]

Trekkie...nice.

[@dougraddi908]

@@galvanaut7119 oh yeah. That was my favourite show, I still watch the re-runs

[@andersmatte]

Hehehe Muu

[@MilitantOldLady]

Yea well communism dried up the Aral Sea.

[@guyf321]

Teutone Monbiot does not advocate for communism as far as I am aware. There are plenty of other ideologies outside of capitalism/communism.

[@pickledirick8338]

@@guyf321 go on

[@guyf321]

Pickled IRick anarcho-syndicalism, Democratic socialism, social democracy (the most successful and best tested in my opinion), eco-socialism, or even just simple reform of the current capitalist system. There are clearly major issues that need to be resolved with the system as it stands, it’s just a question of the approach required.

[@AlexthunderGnum]

Communism? What makes you think so?

[@pickledirick8338]

@@guyf321 "Plenty of other ideologies", you've just listed variations of core ideologies. There are not plenty of alternatives to capitalism, what you've mentioned incorporates either capitalism or socialism or both. Also, the UK is evidently capitalistic yet could also be described as a social democracy at times. The trade unions in the UK back in the 70s are an example of anarcho-syndicalism in an evidently capitalist country. How could this be? Well, basically, you're chatting shit. There are not "plenty of ideologies".

[@LibertyFirst1789]

I would point out "growth" is completely out of control in _communist_ China. Blaming capitalism for "growth" is absurd. Of course, this guy is happy with the "growth" that produced his neighborhood. It's the "growth" that produces your neighborhood that we have a problem with.

[@danielodonnell123]

the workers don’t own the mop there

[@LibertyFirst1789]

@@danielodonnell123 In China? They still have some private property. The development taking place there is at the behest of the communist government. They're essentially cycling money through the economy in a giant Ponzi scheme that requires constant growth.

[@Liliquan]

@@LibertyFirst1789 Are you that ignorant? China is the epitome of state capitalism. There is not a shred of communism there. Saying China is communist is like saying North Korea is democratic solely because their official party name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Grow up, grow a brain and start engaging properly.

[@LibertyFirst1789]

@@Liliquan Communism is where the government own and/or controls the means of production. Capitalism is where private individuals own and/or control the means of production. In China private companies exist but are subject to extensive government control. The government owns several companies in whole or in part and tightly controls the rest. That isn't Capitalism by any definition. Does anyone know what "state capitalism" is? thediplomat.com/2020/09/are-private-chinese-companies-really-private/ Also hilarious you throw around nonsense and insults the _tell me to grow up._ China is a backward nation full of zealots who cannot be taught truth.

[@Liliquan]

@@LibertyFirst1789 Communism is where the workers own the means of production you idiot. Not a authoritarian government. Take my advice, grow a brain.

[@sovereignidiot]

I think he is talking about crony capitalism and only it's current form. Everyone can have a self sufficient piece of land to go about their private business.

[@ninahijmans3594]

the problem with capitalism is that it does not really have a clear definition. Contrary to communism which has clear core principles written down by one specific figure. although communism is still quite a leap from the writings of marx, it was more a critique of the current system. In a way marx has created the concept of capitalism, stemming from 'Das Kapital', more than that of communism. wow. but yeah my point was, communism has a clear manual. whereas capitalism is term for a system that has evolved naturally over time and has taken on many forms. This ''free'' market has been regulated en deregulated many times. It was the cold war with all its propaganda (on either side of the curtain), that has tried to give clearcut definition of capitalism. however, we should not consider capitalism as a contrast to communism. Communism was a specific system that has its place in history, but it should in no way define what our current economic system is. And whatever you want to call it the aspects he prescibes to our current economic system are very real and are with quite certainty going to lead us to destruction.

[@sovereignidiot]

@@ninahijmans3594 I think you got it right to say that capitalism is not a societal structure, nor is it the thing that must be destroyed intentionally to further any political end. The means to live from the work of your own hands is the birthright of all humans, and no one has the right to dictate or breach your free and private space.

[@xaverlustig3581]

@@sovereignidiot Most people don't own land.

[@newsundtalks]

And only 2.Scientists for Future II can end Capitalism. Cooperate.

[@michaeltillman3146]

“The 98% claim (from 2009) was based on a single survey by a University of Illinois professor and a graduate student. They sent a 2-minute online survey to 10,257 earth scientists. They got 3,146 responses to only these two questions…” The first question asked, “When compared with pre-1800 levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” The second asked, “Do you think that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” Ninety percent of the respondents said that the mean temp had risen, while 82 percent said that human activity was a significant factor. However, the term “significant” was never defined. Furthermore, according to the Heartland Institute, most skeptic scientists would agree with the statistic if the term was defined. The video explains that when formulating the 97 percent statistic, researchers used only the responses from “climate scientists.” However, only 5 percent of the respondents - 79 people - were climate scientists. So, out of 10,257 academics that the professor and graduate student identified as worthy survey participants, only 79 were in agreement with their final finding. When calculated, those 79 scientists - now accepted as 97 percent - make up a meager 0.77 percent of academics. And, since only 97 percent of the 79 answered positively (which would be 76.63 people - so we will round to 77), the percentage shrinks from 0.77 percent to 0.75 percent. www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/do-97-scientists-really-believe-global-warming

[@Harrier_DuBois]

Its not baed on a single study, you can find many many studies that show that almost all scientists accept the truth that climate change is man made.

[@mmasterton6527]

See; Alex Epstein.

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Lol! I argued this system was obsolete in 1982 and would lead to our demise. Hate to be right😇

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

"and would lead to our demise" So youre talking about the same system that is investing billions (and ultimately trillions) saving us from this invisible marxist boogeyman? USSR and PRC didnt get us...climate crisis did...RIP.

[@tweedeldee8122]

This guy is pure evil.

[@mannatuu]

The problem with George is that despite grains of truth he launches a superficial argument against capitalism. His subjective idealisation of capitalism removes from the equation a very important aspect of why capitalism needs to be replaced and bloody quick about it. In order to be honest one has to understand Capitalism scientifically and this is something George fails to do . Instead he imposes a selective argument in order to be congruent with his reformist agenda and support for the Labour Party. Perpetual growth is only part of the story . In the period of capitalisms death agony, commodity production has become a problem to it. There is too much production there is too much civilisation. Finance capital is expanded past the point of its real value, and so what is heralded in is a period of financial armageddon setting off a race to the bottom where competing nation states seek to offset their crises at the cost of the other. Thus trade war ensues that inexorably leads to war and this time round the very likely hood of a nuclear exchange . So George is essentially playing with the truth to suit a progressive / gradualist agenda. Omitting the very real and urgent agenda which is the necessity to replace capitalism with international socialism through revolution. Something that can only be achieved by turning to the world working class, because it is 'the only' critical mass that can collapse the capitalist system by denying it it's 'labour power' , the source of all surplus value that the capitalist system demands. In objective terms, George is playing the Pied Piper. He is blending with all our concerns for the future but heading them off down a blind alley. It is not that George is some diabolical person, quite the contrary he has a lot to say that is relevant to the future. It is his subjectively idealised and class orientated world view that is in question. Capitalism indeed needs to be replaced but not as George 'thinks' it will happen . His political model has already failed. It has seen 'so called' progressive social democracy open the door for fascism . Obama for Trump , Corbynomics for Johnson ,just to mention 2. WSWS.org

[@salamenostrano6546]

it's much similar to the rojava model in my opinion, an man if you call obama progressive social democracy, you are just wrong. And is not even the model he is describe he wants.

[@Anita-md9ze]

Capitalism obviously needs boundaries and rules which it doesn't have the right mix of as it stands. Donut economics addresses how capitalism is outdated now.

[@mannatuu]

@@Anita-md9ze "capitalism needs boundaries " merely reflects your own subjective idealism . You cannot start with 'thought' as the point of reference. You have to start with what a things ' objective reality 'is'. That can only be derived scientifically. The object informs 'you', not the other way round. I cannot subjectively decide that the Earth is both round "and flat"..it is round because scientifically it is proven to be so.

[@waynehayes1298]

The market will drive change , Capitalism will drive change for the better , people are well some for a better life and money helps, great ideas green ideas generated by great people money being the reward..

[@UncleMort]

One of my favourite quotes "What if global warming turns out to be a hoax and we create a global socialist tyranny for nothing?"

[@caseyspaos448]

Conservatives: Stop fear mongering, watermelons! Also conservatives: AGHHHH! COMMIES UNDER MY BED!!

[@mariocamoes401]

Why is Socialism equates to Tiranny? Isn't capitalism tyrannical? 🤔 Do you elect your boss at your workplace? Or are you satisfied with the phony democracy of electing 1 out of 2-3 bourgeois folks who appear on media saying they'll do something, and then proceed to not do that said thing?

[@rutessian]

@@mariocamoes401 In free markets you may not be able to elect your boss, but you can elect to leave your workplace for one with a boss you find more agreeable, you can start your own business if you're capable and be the boss or you can work as a freelancer. In communism, as implemented you worked where you were told to work. In socialism it doesn't matter where you work, most of what you earn is taken by the state anyway.

[@mariocamoes401]

@rutessian LOOL so you can pick a different master who hopefully is a benevolent tyrant, great!!! And omg read a little, you know so little about communism that is shameful 😅

[@rutessian]

@@mariocamoes401 I know more than you, not because I read about it, but because I lived it. Don't tell me that's not real communism, because in practice the end is never an utopia, but a dictatorship. What we have now is not even close to my ideal of a free market, but we are a lot more free and a lot richer because of it.

[@rosannecoffman1933]

BS! Too many people and too much garbage!

[@larsporsena7115]

The watermelons; green on the outside, red on the inside.

[@therealKINDLE]

How original. Please do tell us when your book comes out.

[@marktanska6331]

How did Russian communism go with environment. Not crash hot. How is China doing with it? Not crash hot. How is North Korea doing with it. Not crash hot.

[@alexseioo610]

And therefore capitalism is great for environment? Nice logic. 🤦‍♂️

[@marktanska6331]

@@alexseioo610 Well, I think we have done lot better than communism. Environmentally they have failed throughout history and now. Why would you want to try it again??

[@alexseioo610]

@@marktanska6331 I wouldn't. That does not make capitalism great. It needs to be massively improved. Main problem with capitalism always was that benefits from technological and scientific progress were appropriated/privatized by the rich capitalists, but the cost for basic research was mostly socialized through the tax system. To the point were capitalists have just to invest the last few % of R&D and they own technology (patents) that we all paid for and hide it behind a paywall. This cannot end well for most people. Few ultra-rich techno-gods and the rest of us, their mortal powerless subjects? Capitalism needs radical reformation.

[@marktanska6331]

@@alexseioo610 And the ruling elites in China Russia Cuba etc. lording over rest of the mortal powerless subjects working for minimal wages. Living under threat of jail for complain, or pointing out gross environmental neglect for example.

[@marktanska6331]

@@alexseioo610 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYimdqefr9p_mdU think about it your road is the road to ruin

[@Bebopin-69]

On the 2nd assumption: climate colapse, he is already jumped off the common sense boat. It is all theoretical, hypothetical, fantasy land claims

[@sodalitia]

The use of words theoretical, hypothetical and fantasy in one sentence makes you sound dumb as fuck.

[@michaelhudson7345]

Intelligence square root.It's not really very intelligent at all is it? Just uptight knee jerk reactions, just blah blah.

[@spadeoblades4016]

Introducing the world's worst salesman

[@entropyfun]

Can't we just tweak capitalism a bit? Why must we end it necessarily? After all, it's the freest form of society we have ever invented.

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

8 billion plus people. Too many for earth to sustain.

[@entropyfun]

@@nicholasdemetriades9154 That's a dirty lie. Check your facts my friend.

[@giuliopatruno7849]

@@nicholasdemetriades9154 We currently produce enough food for 10 billion people. The serious problem in food distribution stems from lack of structural organization (the free market does not allocate efficiently) and from willingness to mantain a certain level of scarcity so that commodities would stay profitable. (because of course the point of agriculture is to be profitable, not to feed us). The entire system is rot. It's founded on exploitation of people and resources and based on the assumption that infinite growth is somehow sustainable.

[@mariocamoes401]

Is it, though? Or is it what the most powerful capitalists want you to think? How much freer do you think you are vs a regular Cuban? (and let's not forget they are strangled by an embargo by the strongest empire in the world)

[@entropyfun]

@@mariocamoes401 I can change my government without a bloody revolution. I can also publicly criticise it. I can express my sexual orientation without fear. I can travel freely and I can afford to with my basic income. Yes, I would say I'm more free than an average Cuban.

[@spadeoblades4016]

I had to stop once he said bread basket failures, since Ukraine was once called a bread basket... Until communal governance of crops killed the crops leading to 200 million deaths. Just a really bad metaphor for an anti capitalist to use.

[@beet1]

Communist Russia starved the Ukrainians to death by rationing food. That's how the soviets controlled them. Socialism brings starvation and misery like whats just happened in Venezuela. That's what will happen to the west when the UN world government thugs take over.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@beet1 Churchill also exported the food out of India and deliberately induced a famine there for the supposed sake of the home nation. But I wouldn't dream to generalise all capitalist states as inherently willing to go that far, just because the British Empire did it.

[@jglammi]

There has been no change beyond normal variation in sea level rise and no increase in storms. The 1930's were hotter and Antarctica has been growing its amount of ice and snow. There has been just 1.5 degrees of increase in temperature in the last 150-200 years. see TONY HELLER

[@climatecraze]

Ditto. Tony Heller is the best at exposing climate alarmism fraud. I help where I can ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGe0aYydipWIjbc

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Lol! Baloney. These are paid for mainstream scientists. Do you breathe? Do you have all your senses? Use them please. Look up. Look around. Study. Compare the near term past with the present. Use critical thinking and study the motives for the agendas being carried out.

[@mlester3001]

Capitalism isn't the problem. Human fecundity is the problem.

[@jameslasso1690]

How did he get to conference ? Probably 1st class airline ticket. How did the plane and car he ride on get created? Capitalism. How are his clothes and glasses affordable ? Capitalism. How is food affordable to him? Certainly not collective farms.

[@changuito10]

Where do they find these speakers? He tried to accommodate the words to make the regime of communism- Marxism he is proposing to sound nice without mentioning it. A system of common luxury? What???? Has it worked before anywhere else?

[@Harrier_DuBois]

Well the system we have does not work, so we need paradigm shift or our species is doomed.

[@design7054]

Lunatic.

[@brianmarshall3931]

Bullsh*t. Failure to adapt to change is the problem. Communism ain't the solution.

[@beet1]

Communism is pure evil ! !

[@Joggly420]

Population of the educated high standard of living west is declining thanks to capitalism. Less population the ultimate goal for sustainable planet. His argument is flawed .

[@Stuudii]

in short: "well i'm a marxist and i know it did fail before but i have a new excuse now"

[@therealKINDLE]

In short: "I don't know of any other alternative to capitalism so shall jump on the "Commie" tropes.

[@richardhill8117]

Do away with Capitalism, do away with your Pension

[@xaverlustig3581]

Answer: Because capitalism can't control nature. But then no other economical system can, and that's not a problem anyway.

[@PrinceZappa]

What does Monbiot seek to replace capitalism with? A watermelon.

[@Cernunnos652]

Watermelons !!

[@kokofan50]

Anyone arguing arguing against capitalist needs to look the ecological disasters in the former Soviet Union and China.

[@travelcrip715]

But they did have some good cannibalistic recipes, so swings and roundabouts. Hahaha

[@macho6596]

The comment section has restored my faith in humanity. Using climate fear mongering as a way to control the populous is not new. The Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans, European civilizations used it for years. The Aztecs used to make human sacrifices for a better climate.

[@laymantalks8113]

...Don't forget about Witches..Because they were "cooking the weather"....

[@newinternetuser9579]

@@laymantalks8113 lol

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Not just fear mongering. We are in the midst of a mass extinction event whether you believe it or not. This capitalist system has only accelerated that process. We are done. Face it. Don't be afraid. We were born into this system of greed. There is nothing we can do. Its too late. Those in power and I'm not talking about governments do not care about the future only maintaining their status quo. Tipping points have already been activated.The super wealthy have a way off the earth so they do not care.

[@ChuddmasterZero]

Wow. Ironically, IQs seem to have plummetted at these debates.