Part 2. Crosman Magfire Extreme - shooting test

I bought this Magfire Extreme brand new and have experienced a lot of frustration in getting it to shoot accurately. I also found the repeater mechanism to be sensitive to 50°F temps.

[@precisionrodentcontrol_PRC]

DumpsterFire Extreme! Sorry for the hassle and frustration but thanks for the heads up. I’ll be passing on this model.

[@airgunsofalaska]

Ha ha! It’s working again and shooting better with a different scope but I wouldn’t recommend the gun to anyone.

[@Relaxbadkneeadventures]

I love the way you al pronounce meisterkugeln 😉👍

[@stephenmartin8331]

Talking about the magazines, I have a gamo and I bought extra magazines knowing that they will be a failure point due to the extra moving parts and the learning curve of how to use them.

[@airgunsofalaska]

That was good thinking! 👍

[@idletime]

Thanks for being honest, I appreciate it 😇 . I'm glad I didn't buy one myself because the whole magazine scenario seemed like a gimmick to me from GetGo. Instead I bought an original Crosman 1300 like nip from 1976'. I'm also planning on buying another Crosman Nitro piston F4 . I also enjoy dr Russ's channel. I put about 500 rounds through the last F4 I had to lead the barrel in. Then I put a CV Life 3_9x40 optic on it & spent an hour or two sighting it in and I had is shooting nickel-sized groups at 30 yards. I was surprised and impressed so I'm going to try and do it again 😇 ..

[@airgunsofalaska]

I wasn’t familiar with the 1300 so I looked it up, was it the predecessor to the 1377/1322? I love buying vintage airguns if I can find them for a reasonable price. I’m definitely not sold on the repeater break barrel concept at this point. But, I’m trying hard to have an open mind so I can learn and that’s not always easy. I’m looking forward to reading viewer comments about my Magfire experience. Hopefully they don’t get fed up with my skepticism but dang, I spent most of my Saturday trying to baby a piece of shit Magfire to shoot at least as good as a communist China, made in a cave with stone tools B3-2 and it still couldn’t even do that consistently. At least the B3-2 shot and functioned properly in all of its videos. 😈😀

[@idletime]

@@airgunsofalaska yep, unfortunately there's more junk out there than there are gems these days shall I tend to look at everything with big claims and/or new designs with skepticism. I'm also not a fan of big recoil or springers as the barrel harmonics & accuracy tend to both suck. I'm 48, I grew up w/ the 13xx series & I still think it's the best airgun design ever made. They're also highly customizable, very powerful and extremely accurate. The original 1300 w/ the sliding breech door was the predecessor to the 1322 / 1377. Luckily a lot of the mods for the latter will also work on the 1300 including 14"-16" barrels, adjustable Pistons, better seals, stocks & optics basically making them similar to a Crosman Drifter. Out of all the air guns I've seen as of late other than the 13xx series the only designs I like are nitro pistons because they have less recoil than a Springer, have better barrel harmonics and are more accurate. With a good Barrel, the right pellets and a good trigger even more so but that's ny 2¢ 😎

[@karlk4769]

The pusher rod on the magfire is delicate, also what you call as preload..that magazine is NOT supposed to keep clicking around, inside the cog wheel is a stop so when pellet reaches number 10...it stops! Your magazine is broken more than the missing tooth!

[@adamreisman9187]

Check to make sure barrel lock up is tight. A loose lock up will ruin accuracy

[@airgunsofalaska]

I checked it earlier this afternoon and it was tight, no wiggle was present.

[@stewiepid4385]

1. Did not diesel pellets. 2. The magazine needs to be sprayed with silicone spray, as the friction between the breach-bolt and chamber walls will snap the walls off of them. 3. My exact model as yours shot left using iron sights, 14 gram lead Crosman Premium @26F. I adjusted the sights WAY over and was hitting center / low. 4. I found that if you let the rifle recoil (loose hold against shoulder) and it drops back down center, your shoulder is correct. 5. Continued success. I have this exact same gun, rebuilt and discounted. It came with "personality". However, she is dead on as long as you relax the shoulder pressure and let her come to you.

[@airgunsofalaska]

Mine is long gone, I returned it after all the frustration and poor accuracy and feeding the auto loading mechanism provided. My opinion of the Chinese made junk show has not changed. It turned out my gun was shaving pellets as the magazine system was not refined enough to line up properly with the breech on every shot.

[@stewiepid4385]

Ah. Well, this is disheartening then. I am having success with the 'Artillery Hold'. I am generating a positive feedback letter to Crosman about the magazine. I do believe there is a better way. In example, the GAMO Swarm magazine is higher tier quality in my opinion. On that issue I will confirm Crosman has a strike against them. Really good content here on your channel though! The search for other issues brought me here. I'll stick around ... Lol!@@airgunsofalaska

[@airgunsofalaska]

Thanks for the additional info! I spent a majority of a weekend trying to get the gun to perform and did not have success. I documented the saga in a series of videos and the events just seem to have matched what many other viewers experienced with the Mag-Fire series. The auto-feed plunger sticking in mine was especially maddening as the gun is practically impossible to shoot single shot. I’m a huge Crosman fan, I’ve been shooting Crosman guns since ‘81 and want to support an American company. But my Mag-Fire was a real stinker and was the final nail in the coffin for any of their other break barrel offerings. I buy all my own guns, pellets and supplies on this channel so I can review and rate things without any conflicts or collusion with manufacturers. It’s a pet peeve of mine that way too many KZbin airguns channels are just featuring sponsored content that basically amount to infomercials. After I got fooled by a couple big KZbin channels about this gun and the Seneca Dragonfly, I’m kind of disgusted with how many of the OEM’s are marketing their guns.

[@karlk4769]

absolutely no oil on the magazines, not sillicone either, no pushrod cleaners either because they ruin the rifling, a .177 patchworm is the only thing that cleans the barrel, and proper leading in of the rifleing is crucial to accuracy, merely taking a new rifle and expecting accuracy out of the box....you're dreaming...not gonna happen guy!

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@karlk4769 Wow, another comment where you didn’t watch all the testing I did. Again, post up a video of you shooting your amazing Magfire getting dime size groups.

[@gmanneod8085]

If the pellet pusher is sticking did you try silicone oil to lightly lube it? If it works again start at point zero. 25 ft. Iron sights, remove the baffle system. And use the artillery hold in the same exact spot with a firm hold into your shoulder and fore grip hand on top of bag. Check All the stock screws especially the forestock screw are tight?

[@airgunsofalaska]

I did check the tightness of all the stock screws this morning. The forestock screws were able to be snugged up a slight amount. Thanks for your suggestions, if it’s raining tomorrow I’ll try them out. Maybe this will be like the Hatsan 95 and I’ll turn things around. I truly doubt it but I’m trying to keep an open mind.

[@gmanneod8085]

@@airgunsofalaska I would shoot it over the Chrony too. Knowing the speeds are consistent is needed too. Use some H&N or JSB pellets for checking the speed accuracy!

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@gmanneod8085 that’s a good idea, but I’m not sure I want to spend any more time trying to diagnose why it’s not working properly today. The repeater mechanism is still sticking, even though it’s been inside at room temperature. It’d be one thing if the gun was pleasant to shot but it’s not. It recoils and vibrates and annoying amount. It’s also loud right next to your ear.

[@gmanneod8085]

@@airgunsofalaska yes that's a gas ram budget break barrel unless you massage the trigger. Spring pistons are much more tunable!

[@airgunsofalaska]

Pellgun oil did the trick to make the plunger thing function properly again.

[@yoitired]

What a bummer, now even the Swarm looks good by comparison at least I got a year and a few pesky chipmunks out of it. Seems like Crosman can engineer good gun designs but they're hiring the cheapest factories to build them, probably where workers are too miserable to care and QCing parts is 'too expensive'. I'd rather Crosman raise their prices and make guns we can be confident in buying again.

[@airgunsofalaska]

I think they still make their metal pneumatic guns in the USA. Both my 362 and Drifter say right on the box they are made in the USA with globally sourced components. My 1st gen Marauder was even better, it has Made in the USA right on the breech.

[@stanjenkins6039]

My brother has a maguire extreme. He has shot it 1000's of times. No problems.

[@airgunsofalaska]

Okay. But was it accurate?

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

I prefer paying a bit more but having something that will last a lifetime in return... _The thing is the UX has a metal mag I believe and it aint any better._ Weird that you got a good looking tin of Jsb but the pellets look like they got banged up during shipping ! _I had a very good experience with them yet in .177cal_ *What a frustrating process!*

[@airgunsofalaska]

I’ve not hardly been impressed with those JSB’s in any of my guns. They aren’t worth the expense to me. I was disappointed in how banged up they were.

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

@@airgunsofalaska *Interesting!* Seems like you have a very bad tin tho The only tin that I got that looked like this were labeled Diana & Jsb... *_Legit looks like they shoved the quality control garbage bin in there._*

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@LowkeyAirgunner it’s bad right!? I’m not crazy.

[@LowkeyAirgunner]

​@@airgunsofalaska Maybe we are not lucky. Other than this I got prime quality stuff

[@Relaxbadkneeadventures]

Was the airgun expensive?

[@cacamuca01]

Get .177 if you want more precition

[@airgunsofalaska]

I agree, I’ve switched to .177 in a number of new airguns and found it to be a more accurate caliber in lower priced guns. The Mag-fire is just inherently inaccurate due to it’s auto loading design.

[@pevaughn]

Too bad it didn't work as expected. Lots of things to do that could help though. From your last video you let the forestock of the gun rest on the bag unsupported sometimes and other times with your hand under. With a rifle that recoils a lot you probably have to be consistent and support the forestock else you will shoot all over the place (it's not like you're in a deep v notch of shooting sticks to control the side to side movement). And a bag will compress and move differently with every shot...and you will notice it at long range as you did. Daisy Pellets... hollow point... I used to buy those until I realized that they are better for testing if a gun works, how loud it is, and testing trigger pull weights...etc. Also... switching from pellet to pellet... a new gun will be very inconsistent at best...and it's likely not broken in or bedded in properly. As for the sticky sliding thing... it looks cold-ish outside...and the gun is new... every gun has a break in period. A nice clean and lighter lube would probably work wonders in cooler weather. Close sliding tolerances (generally a sign of better manufacturing sometimes) are not friendly to debris or cooler sticky lube. I would put it away till summer... and revaluate it after a couple tins of pellets have gone through. Some crosmans take time to set up right...and are notorious for their weak spring behind the barrel lockup live jam (generally requires a stronger spring or a reprofile of the angle of the top of the Jam) but once you got it... they do well. If that's way too much of a bother for you.... definitely send it back .. no shame in that. Some guns are pure diamonds from the start, some are diamonds in the rough, some are just rough...lol. If I had that gun... it would be a nice make it work better project. Entertaining video. Keep em coming.

[@airgunsofalaska]

Thanks for all your insights and suggestions! In my first video, I did shoot on the bag, offhand, etc. In this video my groups were from the bag. I’ll be honest, if a China made Crosman, $200 gun requires it be held or set on a bag perfectly for every single shot I’m not interested in owning it. My RWS 34 doesn’t require such anal retentive nonsense, neither do my cheap, crudely made Chinese Model 62, B3-2 or BAM B3 need such care to shoot reasonably well. I’d not thought about temperature creating issues with the self feeding, plunger thing mechanism. Maybe that’s what happened? It was warm out (for us) in the low 50°F’s and when it was sunny it felt hot and I was in a T-shirt. It’s unacceptable if this gun is that temp sensitive. For pellets…. Mmm, I don’t know? I’m not sure that I buy into the idea that you have to shoot a shit ton of the same pellets through the gun and not switch to try something different. Don’t get me wrong, I totally appreciate your comments, I just haven’t found it to be the case but I learn something new with airguns all the time. Basically, my B3-2 video I did the same thing, that gun didn’t have a ton of pellets through it and it shot way more consistently than this piece of garbage Magfire Extreme. Ultimately I likely ended up with a gun with stacked tolerances that makes it shoot like shit. But, I’m not convinced that the repeater mechanism isn’t causing the issues by deforming or shaving the pellets while loading. If it’s raining tomorrow I’ll likely try making the gun work again. But I’m not enthused about trying to keep making it work. Thanks for writing in! I put my experience out there and am curious to hear people’s thoughts on the issues I’ve had. 😀

[@pevaughn]

@@airgunsofalaska best of luck tomorrow. Every gun is different. Some guns prefer a light hold...some a firm hold like a firearm. Might take a bit to see what this one likes. The other guns you mentioned all have stronger barrel lockups than crosman or are fixed barrel...and the weight is distributed differently especially if they are wood stocks...that will impact the way they shoot as the gun is still going through back and forward recoiling impulses before the pellet leaves the barrel. It's about time to get a betting game going on the performance tomorrow....lol

[@okayestmedia]

@@airgunsofalaska aside from the gun breaking and the magazine breaking, that’s kinda the nature of break barrels sometimes. I have a gamo that I can hold however I need to, I can rest it on a tree I can hold it tight, or super loose and the point of impact doesn’t change much. Then I have others that need held the exact same way every time and it takes time to learn how it wants to be held. And those cost a pretty penny as well. It’s all just the nature of piston driven airguns. Then once you master that, the pellet testing comes into play. Break barrels are fun, but I’m a simple guy, just wanna go out and shoot or hunt so I don’t mess with break barrels too much anymore, but it’s definitely an art to master them. With that being said, I have not heard anything good about this gun. Ever.

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@pevaughn you were right about the temps having affected the plunger mechanism. I checked it out earlier this afternoon and it was working again, yay! I then cleaned the grease off it and lubed it with Pellgun oil. It worked perfectly after that so I was able to shoot once again. It was cooler today, in the low 40’s so the Pellgun oil was better than the factory lube. This is not an easy gun to shoot. I also found that my stock scope was maxed out on windage and close to maxed on elevation. I swapped it for a different scope abs the gun shot a lot better. It still sucks compared to my Diana model 34 but shows flashes of brilliance here and there. I had to really focus on trigger pull and occasionally everything came together and it hit exactly where I was aiming. Most of the time though it hit just kinda where I was aiming.

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@okayestmedia I bought this gun as I wanted to try out a repeater and I really like that feature. But, it’s too bad the gun is so difficult for me to shoot accurately. I had to change out the scope to get it to shoot consistently. Even then it’s not great. I was only shooting at 50’ this afternoon and my results were nothing special. Pretty sad actually considering I was shooting from a bag.

[@koenraadderoeck9045]

i think is a wallhanger ma nen

[@mikem201]

Wuhan rifle, Wuhan scope, at least the welded scope rails didn't fall off like other Wuhan rifles have in the past.

[@airgunsofalaska]

It was a disappointing rifle for the time I used it before sending it back for a refund. I don’t care for Crosman’s made in China 🇨🇳 break barrel guns.

[@barnygogl]

You might shoot it into a bucket of water, not the bucket, to see if the pellet might be deformed by the mechanism Look closely at the lans marks if it is rifled and the hollow butt end repeat this several times A little forensic test so to speak Crosman, you gets what you pays for sometimes Too bad you can't test 'em before you buy That mag is cheesy and may be the problem Purchasing one of those can be a crap shoot Kind of reminds me of my old Red Ryder bb gun My target looked like I had shot it once with a shot gun from 20 feet That old gun was returned to the dirt years ago

[@airgunsofalaska]

This mag-fire definitely didn’t live up to the hype the big YT channels gave it. In a later video I did exactly what you suggested with a bucket of water and saw how the pellets were being deformed by the auto loading mechanism.

[@karlk4769]

I have the magfireextreme .177 cal and i'm not experiencing any pellet shaved or shavings as you are. furthermore i'm shooting 12 shot groups in a dime size at 200 yards, so i think you havent properly broken in your rifle yet, it takes over 100 pellets before the barrel achieves any real accuracy! I did change out the scope for a better one, and the scope mount as well for a 2 inch high mount, and that made the biggest difference! So in essence I think your review is full o C__P

[@airgunsofalaska]

@@karlk4769 I put well over 100 pellets through the gun, probably around 300 or more. Complete waste of time and money. If you bothered to actually watch all the testing I did you’d have seen I swapped scopes and already did the things you suggested. How about you post a video of YOU shooting dime size groups with YOUR Magfire. That’d be more productive than accusing me of being full of shit.

[@dumbluck6180]

I think you got a lemon. I got this same gun in .22 directly from Crosman. It was on sale for $140 including shipping. I'm using the Crosman domed Ultra Magnum pellets (14.3 gr). I think the manual said everything would improve after the 1st 100 rounds, and it did. At 1st to cocking mechanism was noisy, and the mechanical noise and muzzle noise were awful. The accuracy was bad for at least the first 30 shots. I was ready to send it back. I also saw a few pellet shavings, but it was all due to break-in, and being mindful about pushing the pellet into the magazine the correct distance. I've now put 500 rounds through it, and it's a completely different gun. The mechanism and muzzle quieted down, and the kick is much reduced. I zeroed the scope at 20 yds with the stock resting on the back of a chair, and was putting some shots through the same hole, a full mag gave a 1 inch group. I've had no problems with the magazine, but bought a spare on Dr. Russ'' recommendation. I'm not a great shot, and have a medical condition that makes me twitch (esp. with too much caffeine! LOL). I'm having tons of fun with this gun, shooting standing, off-hand at 30 yds, I'm destroying soda cans, and can hit a 1"x3" medicine bottle in 2 or three shots. I also set out some 1.5" diameter wood cuts from a hole saw. My 73 yo friend (with good eyes and steady), who hasn't shot in years, pick up the gun for the 1st time yesterday, and he was picking off those wood plugs at 30 yds. He missed maybe 3 out of 10. Send it back! I got the Crosman over the Gamo for the cheaper magazines too, but Crosman also has a much longer warranty!

[@airgunsofalaska]

I sent my junk show Magfire back last spring for a full refund. That is one airgun that I’ve had zero regrets about being rid of. Chinese made airguns are way too hit and miss in quality for me to ever consider buying another.

[@dumbluck6180]

Glad you got your money back. I took a chance since it was $140. I also called Crosman first to get details on warranty and returns. Think I got lucky. The Magfire is keeping me entertained for now. If I recover from chronic fatigue/Long COVID, I'll be able to hunt again and will get a PCP.@@airgunsofalaska

[@cacamuca01]

You need lighter pellets at higher distance

[@airgunsofalaska]

If you watch the whole series of videos you’ll see what causes the gun to shoot like garbage. It isn’t any particular pellet.

[@cacamuca01]

@@airgunsofalaska I saw it, rifle was a mess...

[@toddhunter5693]

one thing to do ,send it back, demand another or money back.

[@airgunsofalaska]

I swapped scopes this afternoon and that helped. I saw improvement so I’m thinking of keeping it now just because I like the repeater feature. I lubed the plunger so the gun functions properly again. I’m not sure how difficult the return procedure is with Airgun Depot? As of this afternoon I’m willing to keep giving it a chance and challenge myself to see if I can learn to shoot it more accurately. But, I wouldn’t recommend the gun to anyone.

[@craigrichardson4641]

You got a bad rifle thats all i know this because mines shoots fine and dont shave lead.im shure you was the lucky 1 out of 10,000 to get the screwed up one.hope you got your money back.

[@airgunsofalaska]

I was able to get my money back. This gun was a disappointment for sure.

[@craigrichardson4641]

@@airgunsofalaska that good

[@organfan1968]

Had one, returned it. POS.

[@airgunsofalaska]

POS absolutely!

[@WalnutandSteel]

🗑️

[@airgunsofalaska]

Ha ha!