Part #7 Basic Photo Printing Series - Printing Using Full Color Mangagement

[@davidbcossini8928]

Thank you Jose for you great advice and for having the patience to explain this to me, very much appreciated.

[@cheo1949]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you.

[@stevenkossowicz7968]

Thanks very much for the video. You're a great teacher!

[@cheo1949]

Thank you. Let me know if there is anything you'd like discussed in video tutorial format and I will create one.

[@kennyfernandez5930]

Jose great explanation! I use both Light Room and Photoshop Elements for editing. I never was able to get Photo Shop Elements to print right. I have an old version. With your explanation I now can print on either programs and get exact color match. Thanks!

[@cheo1949]

lad this helped you out. As long as you are using the proper work flow, there no reason why your shouldn't be able to print correctly rendered images from any Color Managed editing application and have then match. I am happy for you. Take care!

[@richardtindell8366]

Nice job as always. You are a wealth of information and a great help help. Thank you! Would you please explain why you are rotating your image in PS rather than the push button in the print dialog?

[@cheo1949]

It's just my idiosyncratic behavior. You can of course click on land scape or portrait in the drive dialogue. But I just have this "Thing" about neve changing it. I default all the printers to portrait.

[@ralphthomas2471]

Hello Jose! Once again thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I am watching your video titled "Printing Using Full Color Management in CC 2017 or Earlier Version" , and I am very curious about why you said to rotate your image so that you always print in portrait orientation not landscape? Also commenting on a non-photography subject... From your videos I can see that we are nearly of the same age and from picking up tidbits of information about your military background I cant believe how lucky you were to be assigned a useful MOS in the Army during the Vietnam era. First the Occupational Therapy thing (which would translate directly to a real world job), then to have your company commander change it to something even better! Wow unbelievable! I was drafted in 1970 and assigned an MOS of 11B (light weapons infantry) coming out of basic training as were almost all the draftees in my group.

[@cheo1949]

My rotating the image is a habit of mine. I do not like using the Portrait / Landscape option in the printing driver. I was originally sent to Ft. Sam to attend Combat Medic training 91a10 and the last week some Sgt came down and asked if there were any volunteers to apply to Occupational Therapy Tech school at Fitzimmons Army Medical center in Denver. I had zero idea what that was but it had to be better than Combat Medic. I was one of 10 chosen out about 100 applicants. Then I was sent to Presidio San Francisco to the Letterman Army Medical Center. Literally a DREAM Assignment. Then while at formation one late PM the CO was looking for a "Photographer" in the company to do a private job for him and I shyly raised my hand, actually the guys to the right and left of me lifted it for me. I was told to report to the Orderly Room and report to the CO. I ended up shooting his daughter's Dance Recital and taken out to dinner with his wife. Unheard of!!! Within about two weeks of my handing over the photos to the CO I was handed change MOS orders from 91L-20 to 84 B-20 plus a week after than I received promotion orders which my lieutenant had no clue had been issued, In fact I did not even get a ceremony. They came through distribution directly to me. This of course what TOTALLY unheard of and many accused me of kissing the CO's ass. Which was not the case at all. Just one of those things that happens when the stars and planets are perfectly aligned I guess. I worked for the public Information Office and the news paper called "The Fog"

[@davidbcossini8928]

Jose I have the Pro 9500 MKII printer!

[@cheo1949]

OK. Great printer. Anything you would like to know or discuss about the 9500MKII?

[@muhannadmaki9756]

Thanks for your informative videos and congratulation for 5000 subscribers. I have 2 questions: 1. I have a canon pixma pro-100 , Will I benefit from from buying a wide gamut monitor ? (Is my printer capable of producing wide gamut colors?) 2. With your experience in printers, which pigment-based printer produces better prints canon pro-10 or epson p-600 if you use the same photo paper.

[@cheo1949]

The PRO-100 is not considered a wide gamut printer. Only you get to 10-12 color printers. Both produce great part iints. But with glossy/luster paper the Canon PRO-10 will win due to Chroma Optimizer. Both produce great color accuracy.

[@yorgoskomiotis2410]

Hi Jose, Quick question for when we want Photoshop to manage colors with a Canon printer. When setting the Print Settings you suggest checking the box "Color/Intensity Manual Adjustment" and then choosing "Matching" and then "None". Is this the same as when we don't check the "Color/Intensity Manual Adjustment" at all? Thank YOU one more time for your invaluable help and knowledge sharing!

[@cheo1949]

No it is not. You can not have Photoshop managing color and also the driver. That is what is called Double Profiling and must never be done. It's one or the other but never both. So you must choose Matching / NONE if you want to print with ICC profiles through PS.

[@yorgoskomiotis2410]

Thank you so much, it's clear now!

[@stephboeker7835]

In all your video's where you show your computer screen layout of LR or PS, you move your cursor around but I can't read the words or options. I have a 40" tv monitor but the sections of options you are refering to are still too small to follow ? Is there any way to magnify the area you are discussing ? Thanks :)

[@cheo1949]

There is but it would take forever to individually focus on areas. So I do a simple full screen capture.

[@stephboeker7835]

Oh, do you know of any tutorials that focus on LR as opposed to Photoshop ? Thanks :)

[@cheo1949]

Adobe tv!

[@stephboeker7835]

I'm sorry, I meant to say something else. I am proficient in LR but not PS. I meant to ask , "focus on LR Printing on a Canon Pro-100 instead of PS printing on a Canon Pro-100 ?

[@cheo1949]

The actual process is the same. Just slight different interfaces. Settings do no vary as far as driver and or app's printing modules go. You either let the driver control color or the app and if you use the app then you choose a paper profile and you disable color management in the driver.

[@sergioboni]

If a have my monitor calibrated by hardware, using my canon pro-100, canon paper and correct color profile for that paper, may i expect to se matched colors between the picture in monitor and printed?

[@cheo1949]

It will never fully match. One is viewed by transmitted light and the print is viewed under reflected light. ON produces colors from RGB Phosphors and the print my mixing CMYK inks translated from RBG Image source. The print needs to be examined under a very bright correct temperature light source. You can get very close by meeting all the requirements but never ever will it match 100% so do not lose any sleep if you can not match it perfectly. All you can hope of a very close approximation.

[@sergioboni]

Well.. I mean.. despite the natural difference between the light properties on a monitor and on a paper, if I have my monitor calibrated by hardware + canon paper + proper paper profile, will i have the best match WHITOUT have to do correction on printer? Thanks for your answer and for share your knowledge with us!

[@trout479]

Joe, l always appreciate your videos, but have a question. I have been looking into color management to attempt to better understand some of it and have gone through information by Andrew Rodney ( aka Digital Dog ). My question relates to leaving photos in the ProPhoto RGB color space and sending those files to the printer, which Mr. Rodney advocates. So finally, my question, have you tried using a wider gamut color space going to the printer and if so did you see any differences?

[@cheo1949]

As Andrew always says, there is no printer the can even reproduce the smallest sGRB color space. But the idea always is to work on the largest and when it is sent to the printer it will converted to sRGB anyway. Big to small is always better the small to small. The idea is to end up with the most Information in the final file that reaches the printer. This is a truly involved subject that I am by no means an expert or even mediocre at. Andrew is the man. He is can be a bit arrogant type at times but at least he backs it up. Follow him in DPreview.com

[@davidbcossini8928]

Just wondering if my printer is capable of reproducing adobe RGB?

[@cheo1949]

I don't think so! But it never hurts to edit in that color space and if you have the XPS printer driver installed you can send that Adobe RBG in 16 bit to it and get as much as you can out of your printer's native gamut. Better than sending an s RGB 8 bit file with the regular driver.

[@davidbcossini8928]

Thanks for the video Jose, I am not sure if my Eizo FlexScan SX2462W is sRGB or Adobe RGB, their website reads: " The monitor reproduces 98% of the Adobe RGB color space so it can display most colors in a digital photo taken in Adobe RGB mode." does this mean I can use the Adobe RGB color space? Sorry if I sound ignorant about this topic.

[@cheo1949]

Yes you can and probably should Your printer may or may not be able to reproduce the complete Adobe rgb color space depending on its gamut volume.

[@davidbcossini8928]

this is my source of confusion, I read you should either have everything in your work flow sRGB or adobe RGB, so my question is do I set everything to adobe RGB all my cameras are and have always been set to adobe RGB? I have no idea if my printer is adobe RGB capable?

[@cheo1949]

That's the idea. If you shoot raw there is no color spaced tagged with the files. Only when you convert your raw files in Photoshop. You get to choose then. Lightroom works directly with the RAW files without any conversion so never reduce the quality.