Part One: The Birth of the Anti-Vaccine Movement | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part One: The Birth of the Anti-Vaccine Movement | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
In episode 48, Robert is joined by Anna Salinas to discuss the origins of the anti-vaccine movement.
Original Air Date: February 19, 2019
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@firefox5926]

"Original Air Date: February 19, 2019" hahaha oh my boy if only you had known if only you had known lmao

[@jordanharper5795]

Right? We need to stop this man from predicting things

[@alstaniforth]

Yeah, however strange things got back then they never involved a man campaigning against vaccinations, dying of the disease he refused to be vaccinated against, then continuing to campaign against vaccines on Twitter. Herman Cain, you were the most incorrect and stubborn ghost in history.

[@theveteransergeant]

I was listening to the episodes he did on Netanyahu and they were talking about the "campaign of ethnic cleansing" going on. Those episodes were recorded in May of 2021.

[@defies4626]

Those who study history are all too often burdened with the same 'gift' as Cassandra

[@sholem_bond]

Good. Maybe he wouldn't still say that shit about "grappling" with the burden of us "special needs" folks, today.

[@mistyhaney5565]

I'm old enough that my older brother has a smallpox scar on his arm, and I had an uncle who had polio as a child, I'm also raising a child who is autistic, the fact that as a species we refuse to learn from history really depresses me. The fact that we don't seem to have learned the difference between anecdote and evidence is also depressing.

[@Tymbus]

You missed the contribution of Mary Wortley Montagu in the 18th Century who observed women in Turkey innoculating children from small pox. Montagu had had small pox and vaccinated her children, returning to England and publicisied the techniques she had seen.

[@origami_dream]

More to the point: even that misses the contribution of the cultures practicing inoculation for centuries. Montagu wasn't the innovator, she was the observer, and while she deserves credit and recognition, phrasing it as *her* contribution is whitewashing.

[@michael_mcgowan]

​​@@origami_dream I get where you're coming from, and I agree with most of what you've said, but contribution means the part one plays to advance a goal. Bringing that information was the part she played - by definition, her contribution. The simple fact that she contributed does not mean that no one before her did. But, I think what we can sometimes forget is that Robert is doing these shows twice a week on a wide variety of topics. There's only so much one can research in that amount of time. Sure he could have dropped a line about those inoculations (he actually did mention the Chinese coming up with an inoculation in the 10th century), if he had known about them, but those people groups seem to have not fallen prey to the folly of anti-vaxxers, and therefore his research probably didn't lead him there. Anyway, just some thoughts; all love, no hate. Have a good one

[@origami_dream]

It's worth noting that this is *quite* a Eurocentric view of the development of vaccines. Asia has a centuries-long(er) tradition of inoculations, sometimes even involving needles, which... bit ahead of Jenner there. Traditional inoculations in the Indian subcontinent remained arguably safer than vaccines for some time (though some amount of this was maybe-probably carelessness in the methodology of forced vaccinations by the English, i dunno). So, while inoculations aren't *quite* vaccines, the white Western Europeans who get the credit were building on vast amounts of folk knowledge besides just that of European milkmaids. And they did know about those traditions at this time, a handful of rich Brits had deigned to notice and report on them. They just largely dismissed them because bigotry.

[@patrickmcpartland1398]

You do know this isn't a video on the history inoculation into vaccines and is about the birth of the western anti Vax movement, right? Like you can't be that dumb

[@BeastNationXIV]

"Thomas Jefferson, sucka!" - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, 2001

[@Coffeemancer]

did syphullus win the civil war?

[@LupaDracolis]

Unfortunately, Leicester is pronounced "LESS-ter"

[@Not--All--Thatt]

not as bad as "glauw-chester-shire"

[@sebakisniesebakisnie6109]

​@@Not--All--Thatt why the hell put all those letters in there if 80% is gonna be silent then. what is it, french?

[@stevieg667]

Delighted I didn’t have to scroll far to find this comment. Am awaiting the episodes ‘the bastards who made English words sound nothing like the way they’re spelled’

[@JackofEire]

*Checks original air date* OOF! Enjoy the next few months before the Apocalypse begins.

[@jonathonherring5926]

"Small pox is bad.. You look like you've been hunting with Dick Cheney after you've had small pox." LOL

[@theveteransergeant]

Kinda bummed he didn't talk about the Tyrolean Rebellion in 1809, when a whole region of what's now Austria went to war over not having to get vaccinated.

[@rheanstatements]

the letters of lord jeffrey amherst aren't really misunderstandable

[@delusionnnnn]

Cosmpoathy currently seems to by "pyramid health magic", although as a fun-sounding meaningless term, it may have meant some other completely different BS in the time period you're referencing.

[@pssurvivor]

this guest had some strange ideas about vaccines herself. yikes!

[@justcommenting4981]

Being pretty "woke" myself, I do think forced administration of drugs is wrong. I can see prohibiting people from access to certain places or services (like schools) but holding people down to make them take a drug is messed up and opening the door for medical abuse and experimentation. Remember people getting lobotomized? There is a reason consent is such a salient feature of modern medicine.

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

People like you are why over a million Americans died

[@ThugShakers4Christ]

@@diggysoze2897 I don't agree. Fuck these science deniers and their feelings. How many of us have to lose our loved ones because they are either too proud, too selfish, or too stupid to do the right thing? I hope their ignorance costs them someone they love so that they have to reckon with what their "choice" imposed on so many other people!

[@origami_dream]

I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all solution. You've gotta take each situation as its own thing. Ending the horror of small pox, the greatest killer of human history, is worth losing some liberty for. And i say this as an anarchist and an autistic person who's been tortured by education and law enforcement. So yeah, i've got boatloads of distrust for the medical profession, especially when it intersects with governments. But the two things are really apples and oranges. It's not a fair comparison. If you're a part of a society, you lose some liberty. If you wanna go hoof it out into the wilderness, fine, but if you wanna stay part of society... don't actively choose to be a threat to that society. And, again, that logic can be used to justify horrible things. Hence why you've gotta look at everything as its own thing, in its own context. Getting an incredibly safe vaccine and getting half of your brain scooped out or forcibly sterilized or unknowingly infected with syphilis are different things that can't really be compared usefully. It's a false equivalency. That's true for today's vaccines. There was definitely a line somewhere in the past. The forced application of dangerous vaccines to Indians under British rule, especially when they often had their own, debatably safer, and more ethically- and carefully-performed inoculations, on the wrong side of it. Preventing polio from coming back today despite peoples' wrongheaded concerns spread by Facebook misinformation... isn't.

[@justcommenting4981]

@@origami_dream nah. It's wrong. The vaccines protect you even where others don't get it. If you can't get one, that is loss of liberty from being in society, and let those people live in the woods. The liberties you lose in society stem from what you can intentionally do to other people or use of common resources, not your most immediate bodily autonomy. Can we start enforced abortions to curb low income birth rates? China used such a technique to control its population, and arguably it worked out for them. You can always make the argument for some greater good, it does not make the fundamental principle moral or ethical.

[@pssurvivor]

ah the old slippery slope fallacy. don't legalize gay marriage or else it'll be a slippery slope to pedo marriages.

[@pssurvivor]

lie-kester?? you mean Leicester? really makes it difficult to listen when such basics are amiss

[@theveteransergeant]

Sorry you guys can't pronounce words with more than two syllables, and people reading them don't know your regional pigeon dialects.