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CHAPTERS
0:00 Message from Jason
00:48 Intro
2:26 Cast Introductions
3:23 COVID-19 scares me
9:20 Everyone should get a COVID-19 vaccine
22:07 The COVID-19 restrictions have been necessary
RESOURCES:
COVID-19 vaccines info
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Pfizer: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
Moderna: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
Johnson & Johnson: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
COVID-19 vaccines safety/side effects
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COVID-19 vaccines testing and approval process
www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/t...
FDA authorization of COVID-19 vaccines
www.fda.gov/emergency-prepare...
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CDC guidelines after COVID-19 vaccination
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
COVID-19 long term effects
www.who.int/docs/default-sour...
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/w...
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
COVID-19 guidance for cleaning and disinfecting
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...
COVID-19 mortality analyses
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COVID-19 stimulus proposal
www.vox.com/future-perfect/22...
www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...
www.businessinsider.com/covid...
www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/1500-...
Tuskegee Experiment
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[@summerhunt2775]

“I’ve driven home drunk countless times and I haven’t gotten in an accident once so I don’t see what the big deal is.” That’s how that guy sounds.

[@KeKcP]

Except the side effects are worse and more likely to occur than the actual covid symptoms lmao

[@flipflopsandsocks50]

PERIODDD

[@Raja1938]

@@KeKcP I'll believe that when I see 500,000 dead from the vaccines.

[@summerhunt2775]

@@Raja1938 mic drop 🎤

[@jakedarang]

He doesn't continue to spread the virus after his symptoms fade the same way a drunk person endangers people every time they get behind the wheel. Bad analogy.

[@sarahfiore2167]

“30%? That’s it?” Wow. The ignorance and selfishness is astounding.

[@uhhhthisismyotheraccount310]

Right?! My response was “30%.. Yikes that’s a large chunk of people!”

[@clementine7655]

So then you should take precautions for everything. When you think about the deaths to so many things, 30% isn’t a lot. Sure it’s still horrible. But millions of people are shot in a year. Do you wear a bullet proof vest everywhere? No. Not agreeing or disagreeing with him. But it’s not as ignorant as you think. Some people are very realistic to the point that it sounds crazy. But he is realistic. There are higher percentages for every day stuff and we don’t even think about those. It’s simply because Covid is blow up that we take 30% as a high number.

[@FragranceEuphoria]

Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.

[@FragranceEuphoria]

@@julianaciannello728 sorry but I’d rather get hives if it means my parents live then not get hives and my parents die. Or anyone for that matter. She thinks only her life matters. Can’t relate to that. I’ll do anything and everything I can to prevent anyone from getting sick and dying. But I understand some people are narcissistic sociopaths like them.

[@patience123]

@@FragranceEuphoria Same. And I had a condition where I had hives that lasted for 9 months. Two weeks she experienced is nothing.

[@DGinNC]

This whole conversation needs to happen again .. So much has changed in the facts of this disease since this.

[@anyah2598]

agreed 10000%

[@matthewmccone2126]

It was an agenda and those pushing it know it.

[@devin7541]

Well said.

[@N_toft]

Like what? Still considering getting the vaccine or not

[@DGinNC]

@@N_toft Getting the vaccine? So injecting an unknown substance with unknown long term (and short-term) effects. Approved by a governmental agency that exaggerated infection rates, hide death rates, and assured you a mask would protect us (thought scientifically it's not plausible). Used testing methods that were incapable of accurate results (according to the testing methods creator) Promoted by those that endlessly advocate a need for population reduction. On second thought, nevermind there's nothing to be alarmed or curious about.

[@FemmeBleu]

This was a really interesting talk, but Jubilee should get pro-vax doctors and anti-vax doctors to debate. This seemed a very imbalanced set of debaters. Please do a pro and anti vax MDs episode, thankssss.

[@varyolla435]

You miss the larger point here. This is not an issue of "process" = but one of substance. In other words what vaccine opponents claim to rationalize their misguided beliefs represents subjective twaddle and pseudoscientific gobbledygook. That means "who" makes the claim is not relevant as what is being said = falls outside the realm of legitimate science. So people who claim to represent the medical field when what they claim does not reflect legitimate medical guidance = are just so many more idiots spouting off. Don't get hung up on perception here. Focus on what matters = what is being said - or not being said. Who does the talking is not important when what is being said is subjective rationalization.

[@mossgossamer4093]

I would hope there aren't enough anti vaxx drs for that

[@Ancor3]

There are barely any anti-vax MDs, you can only find them online bubbles really. And most of them would refuse to come on this show because their employers/coworkers would chew them up for being unscientific.

[@ministryf79]

100% agreed and first thing I thought. Apples to apples.

[@qbob1252]

@@Ancor3 actually MDs are the most vaccine hesitant group between them and bachelors degree holders and people who only have a high school diploma. Doctors know what’s in it and don’t want it

[@TheSimon253]

Such an American mindset. "it doesn't affect me, my family, or friends. Then I don't care"...

[@namename3139]

were gona listen to a page that talks very grown up topics to 5 year olds?

[@bonitanzinga5167]

Exactly! I’m American (unfortunately) and so many have that mindset. Many people are selfish and careless

[@dragonn_9753]

So true. It gets on my nerves.

[@ekoyal_gemu4446]

Stop projecting

[@_ryry11]

@@draedon_ it’s 100% an American culture I’m so blessed that I live in America, but I’m even more blessed that I’m Egyptian and that I don’t have horrible American mindset of “me and only me” American culture is not just bad, but can be scary

[@nick-kd2yx]

Saying you’ve been going out MORE during covid is the weirdest flex

[@samanthafreeman7532]

@@marblebloc1943 You’re happy putting other people’s lives at risk??? Stop being selfish and start being selfless.

[@3bdullah666]

@@marblebloc1943 I don’t know about that bud 🤔

[@Atomicqueen9]

Honestly like who's proud of that😬🙄

[@zebyurd9530]

Oh yeah I endangered a huge amount of strangers, my family, and myself. Ha beat that nerds

[@illillyillyo]

@@samanthafreeman7532 There is no such thing as selflessness. You are being just as selfish as people who you perceive to be putting people’s lives at risk. We do what we WANT to do. You WANT to feel like you’re saving people from covid, so you stay inside. Some people WANT to feel like they’re freeing people by encouraging them to go outside, so they go outside. And just because you think a person doesn’t care about people getting sick doesn’t mean they actually don’t care; it’s just your perspective and assumption.

[@Amanda-gt6cc]

I would love to see this group get back together to see if their opinions have changed

[@varyolla435]

Doubtful since anti-vaxxers as a rule are ambivalent towards "science" - or even understanding for that matter......... If you objectively listen to their arguments it is all subjective argumentation premised usually upon ideology - and ignorance-based fear. Moral of the story: you can not reason with irrationality - and the leopard proverbially can not change its spots. Ergo there is little to indicate the irrationality of the anti-vaccine movement - industry really - has abated itself in any way. They are for the most part = "lost" having untethered themselves from reality. Having descended into the hole of paranoia and conspiracy theories few ever manage to climb back out........ 🤨

[@My_Name_Jeff.]

Half that group might be deceased by now.

[@EmberFlames_Jag]

​​@@My_Name_Jeff.Any of them could be deceased. Many vaccinated people have died, I know someone who died from a blood clot likely caused by the vaccine. Get over yourself, jerk

[@sharonflowers66]

​@@My_Name_Jeff.Quite possible, since people under 50 are dropping dead of heart attacks and strokes after getting the vax

[@plutonianpress2135]

Yeah, but I'm sure pride will kick in to help justify having taken it. The whole, "Well the infection could have been way worse if I hadn't taken it"

[@coreyvandenbussche2181]

“We can do this together” “I’ve actually been going out more since the start of the pandemic” Thanks for your contribution Siaka 👍🏻

[@samkennedy6651]

He seems educated enough but just disregards facts it’s very strange

[@buck4mt]

I hope this comment was said with sarcasm… it’s honestly hard to tell.

[@coreyvandenbussche2181]

@@buck4mt it was

[@ebonin.1271]

“they’re not telling us what the vaccine is made out of” when i got the pfizer vaccine, i received a packet that included the ingredients, common side effects, tips, etc.

[@kaitlyn453]

Exactly. They tell you exactly what’s in it and people still don’t listen.

[@ebonin.1271]

@Freshly Squeezed love, i’m believing a piece of paper from highly educated professionals who are legally obligated to inform us of what we’re putting in our bodies over a random stranger on the internet.

[@dominicgunderson]

@Freshly Squeezed 100's of millions of people have done it. You don't see people turning into aliens or vegetables now do you.

[@kimberleenealon4533]

What annoys me about asking about the ingredients is some people will see a big scary science word and just run with it claiming it’s bad. Or looks it up and doesn’t understand how it interacts with the body and other ingredients and also claims that it’s bad. Wait until they find out that some foods have citric ACID and claim it’s poisonous when it’s literally acid from citric fruits. I even remember someone freaking out about a Covid vaccine ingredient that ended up being salt or (sugar) or something. Wait until they find out about dihydrogen monoxide!!!! It’s the easy misinformation and lack of education that is so dangerous and damaging.

[@kimberleenealon4533]

@Freshly Squeezed how else are they gonna get the information besides google? Is Jesus Christ gonna come down from heaven and carve it into the face of the earth? Literally all information is on the internet or pieces of paper😂 ever heard of a dictionary? Ever read religious text and followed that?

[@mayawilliams9511]

How can siaka sit next to nurses and doctors and proudly state he hasn’t changed anything about his lifestyle? I can’t with this man...

[@axmaciel7]

Probably to prove his point that you can do all the wrong things and go against the rules and you may still not get it. It’s like any illness, some people will get it despite being extremely healthy and some people won’t, despite not being their healthiest

[@kristenz2795]

But he did get it though

[@axmaciel7]

@@kristenz2795 ok sorry yes I realize he got it but he was fine and many of his family members were also fine. I’m just trying to see his POV that you may or may not get it and depending on your immune system, you may or may not recover

[@IzzyaliceD]

I'm a student paediatric nurse and have had a father of a patient claim that he refuses to get a covid test for his daughter (who was attending A&E for the second time due to covid symptoms) because he doesn't believe the virus is real. He said this to multiple nurses and a doctor who have been caring for covid patients throughout this pandemic...

[@axmaciel7]

@@noori770 so true!!! Nicely put

[@jraymond1988]

This was a really diplomatic way to say "Educated vs. Uneducated"

[@varyolla435]

In the end = yes - that pretty much sums it up. 🤷

[@br1491]

It's hard to explain the difference between a cure and a vaccine to some people

[@Charlotte-jm3ce]

It's proof the education system needs to do better

[@darrenuretsky1700]

It's hard to explain that the definition of "vaccine" was conveniently changed in 2020 to some people.

[@dono5529]

@@darrenuretsky1700 it didnt change but ok

[@dookishooz]

​@dono5529 take 30 seconds to look that up for yourself.

[@Zombie1Boy]

@@dookishooz You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

[@chloe-wt2ui]

Nobody in his family died from covid when they didn't take any precautions, but he never thought that he could have gotten countless people sick that he doesn't know.

[@iheartjbgccb]

That would include thinking about someone other than yourself and that's a big OOOF

[@MsDudette21]

Don't u get it? Siaka is apparently on some godlike level compared to the rest of humanity to be a considerate human being. He complains about the pandemic but also doesn't wanna get the vaccine which will help it end sooner. He wants to eat his cake and have it too.

[@yanahakai]

💩

[@serotonin9650]

These kind of people I sort of wish suffer the most from COVID.

[@briannk3720]

Say this prayer Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen thankssss

[@SK-id2is]

Just because your fortunate enough to overcome Covid, doesn't make it any less of a threat that one shouldn't be wary of.

[@cooldudeyo06]

Siaka is the definition of selfish. If my family and I didn't die from it, then all the deaths are sensationalized by the media.

[@3rdfitzgerald]

Absolutely not The elderly and the unhealthy should take Covid seriously and consider the vaccine. The rest of the population should be fine and take basic daily sanitary steps (as the should be anyway)

[@mikiastra]

ikr and you can get covid more than once too

[@imlikett5293]

‼️

[@Joe-vc2cc]

Yes he is just selfish and ignorant

[@xxteep]

it would be so cool to see these exact same people come back for the same conversation now that were coming up to 2 years of the virus being out.. (specifically the doctor) i’m genuinely curious to see if any of them have changed their opinion

[@jackie474]

yesss it would !!!

[@lionsyla4840]

especially now pfizer have released their data 💀

[@matto5276]

Would be nice

[@KA-jm2cz]

Idiots are still idiots and selfish are still the same.

[@omotayosatuyi252]

I hope they have and the disagrees finally get the vaccine and a booster

[@Sportdiva7]

The effectiveness data didn’t age well. Lol

[@Zombie1Boy]

And they will never address it either, they'll just ignore it and move on like much of everything they've been wrong about over the past dozen years. At best you'll have bot-schills or true believers still trying to argue that they weren't fooled or cajoled into taking the vax.

[@nicholasm4013]

How so?

[@peterbenko9395]

It did: but you would not believe it anyways ... 😅

[@Kara-rv4tm]

I can understand Erika and why she wouldn’t get the vaccine because of her past reactions, but the fact that she won’t do the BARE MINIMUM to protect others by wearing a mask is beyond me

[@dianam4894]

Also, I don't think she determined definitively that it was a vaccine. She didn't mention ever corroborating her theory with actual medical confirmation. Other conditions (mental and physical) cause hives.

[@rubyh.3838]

Especially hearing that 2 of her family members died from it! This way of thinking is just beyond me.

[@nicolec4011]

also because she said attributed her allergies to vaccines to they’re unsafe for everyone. like i’m allergic to penicillin medication that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t take penicillin !!!

[@serotonin9650]

And the fact that she just generalized that she's allergic to ALL vaccines. And actually thinking that she's better off getting the immunity naturally. 😭 C'mon sis just say you don't care about other people and just wanna die and go

[@yanahakai]

F

[@taann7360]

tbh kinda annoyed with siaka cuz he's like "It didn't do anything to me so it's probably fine" and basically brags about going outside and partying. He was talking to Thomas and Jacklyn with a kind of a condescending attitude. My opinion though.

[@alicelee13]

100% agree, he had zero empathy bragging about partying and stuff right in front of healthcare workers like read the room

[@JamesLacroixx]

@@alicelee13 "I've been going to rallies and I don't think it's any big deal" Nurse: "We have body bags piling up because there's no more room in the morgue"

[@deerosatheplug8053]

that's what im saying

[@yanahakai]

F

[@jeremysmith9694]

He's right though

[@sullivanbiddle9979]

Kids were more likely to die in a car accident than from COVID yet we locked down their schools, forced them to wear masks and told them it was for their benefit. It's not nice to lie to children.

[@timjd860421]

This didn’t age well for the pro vaccine.

[@billsherman1565]

how so

[@sadgirl2127]

The guy who said he's been going out MORE during this time? What the hell

[@livelaughloathe]

That infuriated me.

[@huntrrams]

Ikr!

[@AB-sr4xd]

@@livelaughloathe Me too. I'm staying home all the time to protect an immunocompromised family member. I can't attend school in-person even though that is an option for my district. It's astounding how some people have the privilege of ignoring the pandemic.

[@AreebProductions]

@@AB-sr4xd I upload photo editing tutorials you can come if you're interested

[@bunille]

@Kaiser24 I have no immunocompromised people in my household and I'm still staying in... so...

[@rafaelatenorio5051]

the guy was like “my family got the virus and we are okay, so EVERYONE that gets will be okay and i do not believe that there is millions of people dying”

[@oneeyeopen2094]

Look up the meaning on underlying conditions then go look at who is actually dying. Hint: its not healthy people.

[@iheartjbgccb]

@@oneeyeopen2094 stop & go outside. Your experience is not the same as everyone else's. Everyone's body is different how hard is it to understand

[@pasdpasse439]

@@oneeyeopen2094 it means that people with diseases don't matter

[@oneeyeopen2094]

@@iheartjbgccb im a nurse practioner. If I go outside I have a small amount of people here trying to get tested to see if they even have it. So now you go to a hospital and tell me if its healthy people or a few old people who watch too much news.

[@breyerhorsestudios2964]

@@oneeyeopen2094 um okay, you’re a nurse yet you ignore the fact that Covid can cause damages to heart vessels even in mild cases??? People can have long lasting side effects that they might not know about until later. Health is important.

[@jlpeders]

Jubilee always does this. There are scientists who are skeptical of the vaccine, scientists who are theists, scientists who are skeptical about climate change and scientists who reject materialistic evolution. You don't need a medical degree to study and understand the research regarding vaccines. Nevertheless, Jubilee gives the audience a bias when they hear that one side is full of medical professionals and the other side is a stay at home mom, a content creator and one who didn't even mention his job.

[@elizabeth3280]

Does not take a medical professional to detect Bull Shiza

[@jerryhickman1185]

Just watching this today. Would love to see you guys do another one on this subject, especially with the advent of strokes, blood clots,and heart attacks in the younger people.

[@mistileighg]

Yes!

[@KillTheCupcakes]

As if those things never happened or existed before lmao

[@jparkerbrown]

​@@KillTheCupcakes but the jabs are directly causing them in much higher rates than normal

[@Chloe-mo2xb]

@@KillTheCupcakes are you trying to deny there is a relationship between these events and the vaccines? multiple vaccines were removed from market because of this.... quit being snarky

[@theendisthebeginningistheend]

@@KillTheCupcakes You don't think there's a correlation?

[@rylraven13]

Siaka sure used a lot of words to just say "I only care about myself."

[@end3790]

@@elijahthagoat more like donkey

[@FragranceEuphoria]

Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.

[@shawnreal6271]

Soft

[@kylemaples709]

@@FragranceEuphoria that is still their choice to make. Everyone agreed that not everybody should receive the vaccine. You have your right to autonomy. Make decisions based on what you feel is right for yourself and others. It is okay to be selfish the same way it is okay to care about people. Both sides are fine. I see myself on both sides with this disease but chose to get the vaccine because of selfishness and wanting my life back to normal.

[@leylakim9531]

😂😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@hellkale5375]

Siaka saying “We can do this together” is like that one dude who didn’t help during the group project at all 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@SlimJim823]

Lmaoooo

[@kyceletacay6043]

😂😂

[@averymckenna2274]

Exactly. This dude only contributed to the problem 🙄

[@nataly4426]

literally!

[@emberurban]

💀🤣

[@velocitor3792]

These doctors should know that it usually takes 10 to 15 years to establish the efficacy and safety of a new vaccine, yet the mRNA vaccines were made available to the public, with less than 2 years of safety data. Consider how it took 10 years to link "Gulf War Syndrome" to squalene in the military Anthrax vaccines. Bottom line: these medical professionals are being too cavalier about the potential for adverse reactions to these undertested vaccines.

[@varyolla435]

Ah.......... = no. 🤦‍♂ Perhaps it is time learn of what you "try" to speak to....... - just saying.

[@velocitor3792]

@@varyolla435 Was the jibberish you posted supposed to be a response to me?

[@varyolla435]

@@velocitor3792 To you = no - not really. I was rather = about you - or your obvious lack of understanding vis a vis the science here. You serve as "an object lesson" for others on the pitfalls of spouting off online when you are obviously ignorant about the subject........ 🤭

[@velocitor3792]

@@varyolla435 Well, if your mission is to teach people who are reading this thread, then maybe you'd like to clarify what specifically you object to, in my OP. Clinical trials for new vaccines DO usually take at least 10 years to complete. And the link between squalene in the military Anthrax vaccine of 1990 DID elicit an autoimmune response which came to be called Gulf War Syndrome. And it DID take about 10 years for the link between the two to be recognized. And that vaccine with the squalene additive, DID not go through proper clinical trials to prevent its release. So what exactly are you objecting to. Please, less empty phrases in which you are obviously trying (unsuccessfully) to sound smart, and more substance.

[@penelopepurr]

Why have you presented three professionals, against three randos? There are plenty of doctors and nurses who are hesitant to this vaccine.

[@ayelaya8728]

definetely. this video hasn’t done justice to anti vax or vax hesitant people

[@Director2024]

It was not well balance at all. You can tell where the bias lays.

[@Kingofthenet2]

This video was disappointing to watch

[@sydguitar99]

That ER doctor probably freaking out in the back of his mind knowing how many people probably got sick from Siaka

[@lifeofkaylei9482]

Oh for sure

[@ronxsuperkid]

I’m not there and I’m freaking out

[@lyrae_7874]

Yeah he probably had to treat some of them

[@micheal.s6726]

@@NostalgicHearts Then why don't you wear a mask and keep your distance.

[@nubbyneef1068]

@@NostalgicHearts there is evidence that you are way less likely to stop spreading COVID if you get the vaccine

[@catherinew852]

Thomas (the critical care physician) is SO well-spoken

[@jeremysmith9694]

That doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

[@miriamjoseph193]

@@jeremysmith9694 He was definitely one of the people who knows what they're talking about.

[@xadielplasencia3674]

@@jeremysmith9694 No one said that those are equivalent, Why would you bring them up?

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@xadielplasencia3674 Because a lot of times people equate well spoken to accurate or important or truthful. I want everyone to know that's not always the case.

[@xadielplasencia3674]

@@jeremysmith9694 I agree, but I think that this is not the case here, therefore, it is not a good time yo Say that

[@candaceanderson2420]

I would love to see these same people have these conversations again now. So many healthcare workers have had enough. It’d be interesting to see if any of their views have changed

[@bighead7317]

They see the daily death in young people unexplained but can't speak on it

[@andrewzercher1233]

The doctor quoting that pt saying “help me, help me, I can’t breathe” just broke me, reminded me of one of my favorite residents in the nursing home I was working at (2019-2021) and my resident literally said the same thing for 2 weeks before they passed… (CNA for 5+ years, nursing student)

[@mandrumi045]

Siaka: They aren't giving us the facts Doctor: *gives facts* Siaka: Well I don't see it in my personal lifes so I don't care

[@amlaaaa479]

yeah, basically: I'm not being told that my anecdotes amount to general facts.

[@thatcheesysongwriter]

The facts given by the healthcare workers were facts, yes. But they aren't the only facts that exist. There are other facts, like how 98% of people have survived.

[@John-tr5hn]

@@thatcheesysongwriter So if you had a 2% chance of dying each time you drove a car, would you consider driving a car safe? You'd die by the 50th time you drove. If you drove twice a day for a month, you wouldn't survive a month. And many of the people who survive have long-term symptoms, and we don't know how long they'll last. Two percent is a huge number. If you had 50 loved ones get COVID, that would mean that 1 of them would die. You're cool with that? There are countries where very few people have died because of the precautions that were taken. This many people don't have to die of COVID. We're killing ourselves because we believe that opinions are as good as facts. They're not. You can believe whatever you want, but your beliefs don't change reality.

[@Pseudynom]

He doesn't trust health care workers or professionals but believes a random person who's posting a video in that they claim something.

[@ibrahimabarry8939]

@@John-tr5hn that’s not how probability works. The probability of an event happening for a discrete sample size is not equally distributed. Just because it’s 98% survival doesn’t mean 98% for every member of your sample. Some could be higher or lower. I get what you’re saying but things are no so simple.

[@ashleygrayer4025]

It’s interesting how that Siaka was trying to minimize the amount of people who died by saying “it’s barely 2%” and well he’s right but he’s being extremely selfish. He’s basically saying it’s okay to sacrifice a couple of people for his comfort, that’s privilege and selfishness. The general lack of empathy for those who died... just sad. :(

[@moondreamer1677]

Exactly! and I think he was saying that he didn't change his lifestyle and social distance.. the lact of empathy is such a shame

[@christiana5453]

that small percent is still 2.7 million lives lost, people like Siaka make me sick

[@3rdfitzgerald]

The 99% that he was referring earlier was also referring to healthy people under the age of 65. The vast majority of people that are stricken with the illness are elderly, obese, and/or with a comorbidity

[@hansori1286]

and when the physician and nurse described how approximately 30% of people who had covid suffered long-term breathing problems after he said “thats it?” ewwww 16:07 btw

[@emilycassidy9543]

@@christiana5453 ikr, people like siaka is why covid deaths in the US is way worse compared to other countries. its no secret that a big part of Americans are bad in handling covid lololol

[@blukas76]

November 2023 and still thankful i never took it.

[@varyolla435]

That simply makes you ignorant and selfish - not some kind of "hero"........ 🤨

[@blukas76]

@@varyolla435 go take another booster. It's ppl like you who give freedom a bad name.

[@varyolla435]

@@blukas76 Stereotypical egocentrism at work. It has to suck to think that "you" are supposedly the center of the Universe...... 🥱

[@krisyt9792]

@@varyolla435if it works so well then why do I need to get it lol. You should be fine if you’re so confident in your vax

[@RoadToStrength-nv8ei]

​@@varyolla435U just a sheep that has no critical thinking and took an experimental waxxine for a deadly disease whose cure is just to stay home and rest lmao

[@snakeperley5545]

One comment made, “IT PREVENTS INFECTION.” Nope! And this entire debate NEEDS to be redone. That one statement goes to show how much that narrative was pushed during that time! It’s one of the big ones that was often said and was changed over and over to suit what was happening.

[@varyolla435]

Wrong.......but thank you for playing. If you had any understanding here - which you clearly lack - you would understand the concept of _"morbidity reduction."_ So vaccines if enough avail themselves to them do in fact reduce morbidity. That reduction reduces local case numbers -------> which reduce your chances of being exposed -------> which lessens your chance of becoming infected = hence infection has been prevented. So it does not matter if sometimes vaccinated with enough exposure develop a "breakthrough case". What matters is they represent a minority while the majority does not become infected = hence a net reduction in morbidity and thus your chances of being exposed. Vaccination is actually about *COMMUNITY* exposure reduction as opposed to protecting the "individual" per se. They are 2 sides of the same coin. If you are going to try and make a point - best to first learn the science. Just saying. 🤔

[@joshturner9766]

@@varyolla435 lol , wrong.

[@formanga8871]

​@@joshturner9766That is your answer? Bro explained in details and that's how you answer? Like a immature girl?

[@joshturner9766]

@@formanga8871 do i need too? how many unvaccinated people have died we are still here /yawn

[@formanga8871]

@@joshturner9766 Well, If you really wants the ratio just check it from netural sites. And there are lot of un-vaccinated people died, I say 5 in my own family network.

[@kailynpedersen1629]

Siaka's logic: if I don't see it or experience It, it doesn't exist.

[@zantas-handle]

Same logic for people who deny vaccine injury as the people who deny cov. Neither denial is right - both vaxxes and cov include risks. One risk we know, the other risk is not yet calculable.

[@catscats4427]

@@zantas-handle those are all certainly words.

[@zantas-handle]

@@catscats4427 I'm sorry, does the meaning of those words escape you? I thought 'both vaxxes and cov include risks' was pretty simple to follow.

[@gamecoolguy619]

@@catscats4427 what do you mean?

[@happypiano4810]

@@zantas-handle Of course it’s real. In fact, it’s about as common as being allergic to potatoes (yes, that’s a thing). I’m kinda curious as to why they aren’t questioning why potatoes are EVERYWHERE, and saying doctors recommending potatoes as a good way to get starch is misleading. Same population size, but such different viewpoints. Why is this? Edit: I mean an actual allergy to potatoes, not just a sensitivity. Same with the vaccines, but especially the potatoes.

[@favormulalira2551]

You can tell that Thomas was genuinely trying to give them insight and a behind-the-scenes look without forcing them to think a certain way. He’s a smart guy and very well spoken.

[@cyntreciaholden7779]

Everybody wants to listen to Thomas doom and gloom but not to doctors that say that things are way more optimistic.

[@rocco6957]

@@cyntreciaholden7779 hes just telling the truth. i’d much rather have an honest doctor than someone who lies to me and says that everything is going to be ok. lying about covid is what got us into this mess in the first place

[@cyntreciaholden7779]

@@rocco6957 Doctors at the "White Coat Summit" were telling the truth also people only want to believe doom and gloom. I don't trust all doctors no matter what they say I must go by what is going on around me. There is no doom and gloom. I have been out everyday of this so called pandemic and I have core morbidities. I have been around co workers that have had covid bad. I will not stop going out because they got covid. What would happen if soldiers had that mentality, some soldiers die around you and you just give up. Not me.

[@rocco6957]

@@cyntreciaholden7779 at this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. it’s disgusting how selfish you are. you have the same exact mentality as trump and all his brainwashed minions. it’s disgusting how you can’t just stay home and wear a mask when it’s literally saving lives. go check your morals and then get back to me on whether or not you think innocent people should have to die just because you don’t want to wear a piece of fabric over your nose and mouth 🙄

[@ApoBeef]

@@rocco6957 my body, my choice.

[@richc1102]

Jubilee should have an update conversation about this as it relates to current day.

[@thinkvoiceact]

Well this didn't age well. It doesn't stop transmission.

[@varyolla435]

🥱Another one with absolutely no understanding here. It does grown mundane.

[@thinkvoiceact]

@@varyolla435 your point is?

[@varyolla435]

@@thinkvoiceact self explanatory. You have no understanding here. As an aside. If you want a "full proof" way to prevent infectious disease acquisition = dig a hole and climb in. So long as you interact among others then you risk exposure and subsequent infection depending upon multiple variables too lengthy to articulate here. Your "assumptions" are all wrong.

[@bighead7317]

@@varyolla435 neither do you

[@friendlyhobo6483]

Siaka is using the flat earth strategy. "I haven't personally seen the earth from space so I don't know if it is indeed round." "I don't believe the astronauts"

[@maximusfogdall6907]

Yeah I've never seen my forehead, so I dont believe in my forehead

[@lighgblue2676]

When did he say that

[@briannabelec7824]

I think he has more of a trust problem with the government than anything else and that unfortunately is driving all of his opinions. It’s really sad that his trust is broken, because it’s affecting how he sees the entire pandemic, and he can’t believe any of the facts...

[@liltriqq]

@@maximusfogdall6907 you’ve never seen your own reflection?

[@maximusfogdall6907]

@@liltriqq ...that's the joke

[@SeaBee1223]

The nurse and the doctor look calm but deep inside, I know how frustrated they are.

[@flourishomotola5306]

How so?

[@mdr8062]

@@flourishomotola5306 they have seen the consequences of the pandemic first hand, have encountered death unlike anyone, risk their own lives and their families’ lives (yes they choose to for the greater good) every time they go to work

[@flourishomotola5306]

@@mdr8062 I work in a nursing home in the UK and have worked there for 3 years. No one in the home I work has died from COVID.

[@flourishomotola5306]

@@mdr8062 COVID is real but how deadly is it, that's the real QUESTION.

[@nkt.11]

@@flourishomotola5306 more than 3 million people have died from COVID, and their families are never gonna be able to see them again, people have lost their parents, their children, their best friend so although a lot of people do survive, a lot still die and even some of the survivors have long lasting health conditions

[@michellebreedlove2711]

I'd love to see an update to this one now that we know the death rate was less than 1% and that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection.

[@shardsofice]

It does prevent death and hospitalization. And 1% is huge if the disease spreads.

[@elip5499]

@@shardsoficeNo, it’s not huge. It was almost all older people and people with co-morbidities. If you take them out, almost no one died, and many people were forced against their will to get the vaccine. The revisionist history won’t fool anyone.

[@richardcao8449]

Siaka: My family and I haven't been affected by covid, so other people are also safe. Damn, now that is some flawless reasoning.

[@kyecarlin7089]

I don’t know how Thomas and Jacklyn were so calm throughout the whole video. Siaka and Erika were like “yeah people are dying, but not enough for me to care about anyone else.” Siaka really said “that’s it??” When he was told that 30% of cases develop long-term health problems. 🙄

[@immortal07]

I actually understand Erika's apprehension about the vaccine seeing as she's had adverse reactions with other vaccines. What I can't understand is how shut off about the whole conversation Siaka is. It's such a selfish mindset to say, "I got it and I felt alright, what's the big deal?" Or "I haven't changed my lifestyle and I'm doing great so everyone shouldn't panic" Honestly, some people need empathy.

[@Dexter-nr5hb]

Erika was more speaking in terms of herself, but Siaka was really the contradictory, arrogant, naïve realist here

[@BrettVarve]

Like Thomas stated a few times, they have witnessed the worst depth of human suffering over this last year. When you've been exposed to that on a daily basis, it has a sort of deadening effect. They were surely frustrated with the ignorance on display, but they also understand not everyone has been a witness to the severe reality that they have. They can only hope people like Siaka choose to come out of their ignorance and find the logic and empathy required to consider the wellbeing of others.

[@shanekirl404]

Tbh Siaka is just 😂

[@patriciadioknoia8822]

@Drea A if I recall correctly, if you have adverse reactions to vaccines you’re considered as one of the people being protected by heard immunity. We try to get the majority of the population vaccinated so that we can protect even those who can’t get vaccinated.

[@MrStalker1015]

I really liked the mindset Percy. He just wants to know more about the vaccine and the virus. He listened the others respectfully and showed that he wasn't stuck in his opinions

[@theprinceoffreshair1164]

Appreciate the love. That's all I'm saying. I was willing to learn and be open minded 👊

[@sirmel11]

I agree. He was the only one that seemed smart out of the skeptics. The bald dude was crazy.

[@Q-FROMNYC]

Yesssirr 🙏🏿🙏🏿🖤

[@ChemistTea]

Hail satan

[@frazebean5117]

@@theprinceoffreshair1164 mad respect to you dude. It's harder to be open minded and willing to humble yourself than know it in the first place.

[@msolerblue78]

It’s crazy how different this conversation would be if it took place today. Opening the nurse says the vaccine prevents infection which we now know is absolutely false😅

[@billsherman1565]

How so

[@whitedeion598]

​@@billsherman1565this has been known for a long time

[@baronvonbon9669]

​@@whitedeion598Who said it?

[@jorel4069]

feel like siaka is a sociopath, he even dresses like one (that second part isnt meant to be taken seriously)

[@amlaaaa479]

Kelly is so informed, educated, empathetic. I envy her students.

[@nataliaspamer9745]

shes amazing! i wish she was my teacher

[@elliea595]

We really need more people like her

[@fccracked5417]

@Tyler B #2 better informed is this a joke she. won’t take a precaution to help herself and others around her.

[@lynettelanh]

She was my high school teacher. I’m so happy to see her in this video!!

[@martanavarro4214]

She’s my daughter teacher and she’s adorable

[@missalex2718]

“My entire family died from Covid” Are you scared? “Nah”

[@briannk3720]

Say this prayer Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen thankssa

[@vincentgallorespecter]

Based.

[@rogerfish2585]

How tf hasn't evolution picked her off yet

[@lighgblue2676]

That vaccine got me shook tho

[@thewvuguy]

Fear is weakness. Stop making it a virtue.

[@kerrynjordaan]

Please redo this conversation in light of all we know now 👍

[@davidbaker7053]

Trust the science. Years later. 😆

[@heysup49]

Not Siaka admitting he and his family don't social distance. Probably out here spreading Covid to other people. What a shame

[@namename3139]

were gona listen to a page that talks very grown up topics to 5 year olds?

[@RaccoonXGamer]

I understand what you are saying but... forcing these people to be forced to get vaccinated, or exclude them from society, or not to leave the house because of our fears, is very similar to the dictatorial thinking.

[@johnabraham6695]

NO WAY GUYS LOOK AT MY RECENT VIDEO 🔥🔥😱

[@jeremysmith9694]

He has had it. He cannot give it now. Read a book.

[@sunmaid6916]

@@jeremysmith9694 ? u can still carry the virus if you’ve had it, the thing is ur body can fight it off quicker. read a book

[@lucyservo6574]

It was chilling to hear the physician talking about his patients with covid.

[@briannk3720]

Say this prayer Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen thankss

[@justanotherrandomemily9451]

the reactions of the people was very respectful

[@user-nk5ql6xq5w]

@@briannk3720 umm---

[@jaidenthekid6051]

@@briannk3720 ok can we get the preacher out of the room-

[@toxicwaste920]

I was contemplating to cancel my Johnson vaccine on Mon then I see this, now I cant wait to get it. I almost drowned once and I know how it felt like dying like that, gasping for air.

[@empiretradingacademy3866]

NEED to do another one after everything was virtually proved to be a scam on the public

[@suntzu751]

After what’s come out about the vaccine, I’m fully on the Vaccine Hesistant side, and maybe even anti vax

[@Brandon_TG_Smith]

What has come out about the vaccine?

[@divadance1202]

A lot! You need to pay attention. Parliamentary inquiries all over the world of these companies questioning efficacy and safety, global excess mortality with stats gov backed stats.

[@SewerKid1]

"Not changing my lifestyle/hugging and meetings" is not the same as not living in a state of panic. No one I know gave into hysteria and fear, but everyone agreed to do their part and respect social distancing. You can do both.

[@christiana5453]

Exactly they make this topic black and white when it's not

[@namename3139]

were gona listen to a page that talks very grown up topics to 5 year olds?

[@annnyala]

@@namename3139 we’re *

[@Chernochegger]

Not everyone agreed to losing their jobs

[@christiana5453]

@@Chernochegger Not everyone agreed to losing their lives

[@ariel8823]

That girl trying to justify how she doesn’t wear a mask but it’s ok cuz she’s not partying is ridiculous. You don’t have to go to clubs to get Covid

[@alexussreni273]

If masks keep people from getting infected then her not wearing one won't get anyone infected. And if the masks dont stop people from getting infected then there's no point in wearing it anyways.

[@erictopp7988]

@@alexussreni273 a mask isn't for keeping *you* from getting infected, it's for protecting others *from* you. Regular masks are more effective at filtering the air coming out of your mouth than filtering incoming air. No fault of the masks, it's just fluid dynamics

[@moomoothecow3091]

@@alexussreni273 No its the opposite if she has covid and is not wearing a mask she can pass to to people wearing a mask

[@beansforlief5703]

That’s like saying I don’t have to wear a seatbelt because I’m not driving

[@sucram1015]

Denmark literally had a study showing masks don't really work nor stop the spread.

[@TenTonNuke]

"We had corpses lying bagged up in rooms because there was no room in the morgue." "Yeah, but like it wasn't bad for me, so whatever. So I just kept partying."

[@sultanm2849]

The nurse said “it stops infection” lol. Surely this was filmed more than a year ago.

[@varyolla435]

Try to think harder. Yes it can be difficult for some. With proper training and effort however it is possible. Moral of the story: a virus can not exist - let alone spread = absent "a host". So if following vaccination you reduce the size of an infectible population - then even if some go on to still catch the infection = the sum total of at risk people has been reduced. Thus means the virus has less individuals it can infect + the chances of those infected encountering at risk individuals to keep the virus going is reduced. Thus after a time morbidity reduces itself such that some places may see a cessation of new infections entirely. "Incredulity" is easy requiring no real effort = whereas "understanding" is much, much more difficult for some who are unwilling/unable to seek said understanding. 🤔

[@joshturner9766]

@@varyolla435 u are so narcacistic bruh wtf

[@iheartmona]

mans said "30%? that's it?" that 30% is MILLIONS of people...yikes

[@missjupiice6151]

What‘s even more hypocritical is that he‘s the who said that the vaccine is only 94% safe… XD

[@JusRed23]

Seriously like if you cut 30% of his body off he now has three limbs.

[@oceanman7868]

@@missjupiice6151 no he said that 94% is protected if im correct.

[@missjupiice6151]

@@oceanman7868 yea that‘s what I said. 94% safe means that it‘s only effective on 94% of the vaccinated people. Which means that "only" 94% are protected XD

[@clairerandel6798]

@@missjupiice6151 he said that only 94% effective in stopping the contraction of the virus while those who do still get it have a much lower risk of hospitalisation

[@TheKyky213]

I think that the most shocking part is when SIaka answered with ''That's it?'' when the doctor said that 30%of patients have sever symptoms... this 30% is probably more than 200 thousand people. And even the mortality being 1,8%, on 300 millions people that percentage is too high. All I can see in Siaka and Erika is selfishness. They refuse to acknowledge the pain of the others and they stick to ''Not affecting me is not my problem.'' Just sad.

[@holocene2164]

I would say infuriating more than sad, tbh... The selfishness with these freaking anti-vaxxers...

[@commondirtbagz7130]

What’s worse is they’re not even smart enough to use that selfishness correctly. Me, I see 30 percent of people get severe symptoms, and I go, well that means there’s a thirty percent chance my life is potentially changed forever. They go, oh that’s a 70 percent chance I’ll be fine.

[@3bdullah666]

@@holocene2164 anti COVID Vaxxers bud

[@DrAndromeda]

Totally agree. It was disturbing to see someone on this channel with such a lack of empathy.

[@3bdullah666]

@@DrAndromeda sadly many people in this day of age have no empathy

[@trymeimalreadyaghost1456]

And... How do we feel about things now? This didn't age well

[@trymeimalreadyaghost1456]

It seems now things have changed and the science was bought and paid for.

[@determined919]

There is no problem with having questions about the covid 19 vaccines

[@varyolla435]

To have a question infers = you desire an answer. What passes today among anti-vaxxers is not that paradigm. They rather are simply incredulous for subjective reasons and further = they have no real desire to rectify that lack of understanding. Thus their incredulity becomes a rationalization to justify what is typically an underlying lack of belief in vaccination as a concept. They are "ideologues" seeking to justify their worldview. No amount of evidence will ever sway them from that.

[@mk-nr6hs]

siaka is the epitome of the reason we still have a freaking global pandemic.

[@authorjoannawhite]

Yeah I'm pretty sure one man doesnt control the pandemic

[@samanthafreeman7532]

@@authorjoannawhite It was a joke???? Also, there are many selfish people like siaka out there and THEY are the reason we are still in this pandemic. Maybe you are one of them?

[@idontknowanymore8277]

@@samanthafreeman7532 nope the reason the pandemic is here is for population control.

[@annonymous6827]

I don't know anymore Damn. Chillax bruh.

[@idontknowanymore8277]

@@annonymous6827 nah y’all need to open yalls eyes already

[@desa8590]

The fact that Erika thinks being vegan is preventing her from getting covid is astoudning lol

[@hopet7033]

people are like take vitamins and meditate. im like sure jan😂

[@emruss7408]

Being vegan won't prevent her from getting covid but it will protect her from suffering as a result of covid. Meat eaters end up developing a lot of underlying health conditions such as heart disease from high cholesterol in meat etc which vegans are more protected against and therefore those underlying health conditions which a lot of meat eaters do end up developing later in life as a result of their meat consumption are going to make it harder for your body to fight off covid.

[@mj5731]

@@emruss7408 I'm pretty sure that you won't necessarily suffer from heart diseases if you eat meat in moderate amounts while vegans who eat a lot of junk food (like myself lol) can.

[@rotisserie8444]

@@emruss7408 ....

[@Filthy.Potato]

Erin would like her

[@cadegrisham6292]

I think it’d be interesting to see this redone now, or at least in a few more months bc of how much more information we have regarding the virus and the vaccine

[@TwistedTricks]

PLEEEAASSSEEEE do another one of these with what we all know now. PLEASE!!!!

[@Southpaw_Blue]

That Dr might be the best participant I’ve seen in one of these videos. He’s educated, experienced, patient and well-spoken

[@hongsami.]

fr i got emotional for some reason

[@chrisbryant5312]

I haven't even watched the video, yet, but I trust you.

[@ivanleon6164]

really cool guy.

[@ama3043]

I thought the doctor was the one with the glasses

[@MariaFernandez-id6kp]

Hes also a republican. Does that change your opinion

[@simonesanchi300]

I admire Thomas so much, for being able to stay calm, while the sceptics were not accepting the facts that he was laying down.

[@andrewbyrne4105]

🐑🐑🐑🐑

[@kirali6185]

He was so patient. Just watching this video I was getting so frustrated listening to the skeptics, especially Siaka.

[@danedds1068]

Regardless, Tomas' perception of covid is heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are affected. It is the same way that people who work in crisis centers for domestic violence or juvenile abuse tend to have an unhealthy view on families.

[@idontknowanymore8277]

@@Errupt no you’re a clown. How can y’all not be skeptical at this point? y’all disappoint me.

[@Errupt]

@@idontknowanymore8277 what’s there to be skeptical about ?

[@eleciapearson5284]

I would love to have these same people come back and discuss how they feel now.

[@mu21shi]

I like the concept of this show, but you need to work on the people you choose to debate. A doctor, a nurse and a teacher, vs 3 ordinary people is not a fair discussion. And boy would this conversation be so different now!

[@varyolla435]

Actually it typifies the "debate" exactly. "Science" is not a question of "fair" or "unfair" = merely "educated" vs. "uneducated". The totality of global science/medicine supports vaccination. Those who dissent represent fringe opinions of a usually uninformed nature. 🤔

[@isaiahsomething1044]

“ I’m not afraid of it but my aunt aunt and uncle died “😟

[@teehee5700]

Wow. Makes sense. Youde think someone who’s anti-vax that had there family die would open there eyes lmao

[@teehee5700]

@@rjayshaun lmao because they can easily protect themselves but instead let there stupidity get in the way of that.

[@davidnishikawa2293]

I think her point was that she's choosing to not be afraid-despite evidence that she should be-because chronic fear is more dangerous. She's right in extreme cases, but missing the distinction that fear in moderation is a healthy thing (unlike COVID).

[@juliafowlkes848]

i think any rational person would fear something like this! i've had family die of cancer and i'm scared of it! i've had family die of heart disease and i'm scared of it! the thing about covid, none of my family has died from it but that could *so* easily change... and i'm rightfully scared of it, even though it's partially in my control.

[@only1dirtymouf]

@@rjayshaun So you’re saying you shouldn’t wear a seatbelt because maybe just maybe you’ll never get in a car accident. Hmmm okay.

[@renareid5961]

LOLLL Skeptic: “they aren’t telling us the side effects” Jubilee: “CDC side effects in description”

[@br00talcabbage64]

How can you know the side effects of something that is brand new and not even approved by the FDA?

[@incharak1927]

WhAts iN tHe VaCciNe? Can u not read, are u blind???

[@teddysarkis5501]

@@br00talcabbage64 because each vaccine was tested on tens of thousands before being emergency authorized for the public

[@emilycassidy9543]

what are you expecting lmaoo its america

[@aaronlindsey2219]

"Can you trust the CDC?" More likely

[@Yamandon]

Project Veritas has some valuable input on this

[@varyolla435]

You mean the fanatical religious mouthpiece organization which has a reputation for making misleading claims + who suspended its leader for alleged criminal activities............. 🥱

[@joshturner9766]

@@varyolla435 lol.

[@jadaaurie7696]

I don’t ever wanna hear Siaka’s voice again 🙄. The guy with the long hair and black shirt was the only person on the anti-vaccine side that I semi-understood.

[@theprinceoffreshair1164]

I appreciate you bro 👊

[@sarahsays194]

Same. I disagree with his conclusion but I feel as though at least he has some empathy. Siaka on the other hand...

[@ihaveadegreeinmemes6377]

Right

[@Riana2134]

@@theprinceoffreshair1164 you are very kind.

[@adunni2606]

yes he actually had valid points and common sense

[@stefaniatomich6085]

Siaka: I’m not seeing Covid patients so I’m gonna stay going out. He knows he’s being selfish and he doesn’t change his behavior. Nice.

[@liza6162]

Yea he’s definitely selfish, he only wants to do what he wants to do...doesn’t matter about how it may affect someone else

[@danedds1068]

Oddly enough, in the same way that Siaka's perception on covid is impacted by the fact that no one around him is suffering from from it; on the other hand, Thomas' perception of covid is also heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are severely affected. It is easier for people to recognize the former but not the latter.

[@MsDudette21]

fuck him. were all tired of this pandemic and its been a yr now so most have been gone back to normal to some degree but this guy cant even wear a mask and social distance when necessary. i stay away from senior citizens and wear my mask when im inside somewhere. it sucks but its the least we can do. its also just common courtesy. things are going back to normal with some restrictions which is good news. so just wear your mask and stuff guys. things are getting better already

[@yanahakai]

F

[@brendanimathiu7029]

Yeah... I hate his face

[@NellthePleasureCoach]

There are plenty of doctors and nurses who are skeptics- yet they chose a stay at home mom and podcaster to be on the other side. That’s the thing I’ve noticed about middle ground- they sometimes don’t find the equivalent on each side- but I do understand that many turned down the request to do this out of fear for their jobs

[@bobsears4394]

There aren’t equivalents on either side haha. The “medical experts”on the anti-science side of the discussion wouldn’t dare present to discuss such a clearly settled topic with actual experts.

[@AmandaSchnaare]

This aged well. lol. Now we are freaking out about derailments, balloons, and UFOs! What a trip.

[@Zombie1Boy]

And all it took for the madness to be over was Biden waving his hand. Curious, that.

[@DrFroggen]

Siaka and Erika are the kind of people to hide a zombie bite from the group

[@jackiem98]

😂😂

[@stegosaurus8348]

This is ridiculously accurate.

[@simply-living8523]

Lmaoo 😂😂 exactly!!

[@oligifford6664]

papa pug, you know how to weed em out

[@hlonimofokeng6953]

😂😂💀

[@cherasunasmr9887]

Man. Thomas’s final words speaks volumes. You can hear the pain and loss of energy and him just hanging on to hope. It must’ve been hard hearing out the skeptics when they haven’t seen what you see every day working with actual patients that have caught the virus. I really, really hope we can all work together just a little harder so we can get over this pandemic. My god.

[@yanahakai]

F

[@ik1033]

I’m not sure if it was hard to hear the skeptics like Percy but Siaka.. he wasn’t will to change

[@cmptrn825]

@Storm Designs yeah man, I’m sure the guy who’s taking care of COVID patients is just virtue signaling. He probably don’t have any idea how the virus can affect the body, and probably takes no precautions to protect himself.

[@gbo6007]

It would be interesting if you guys did a follow up with the same people to see how their opinions have changed or evolved.

[@AlvinYakitori060]

*Anti-vaccine, skepticism has to do with objective and scientific questioning, not "feelings" and "personal experience"

[@varyolla435]

Questioning an esoteric subject like vaccination science when you lack an understanding of the same typically yields poor assumptions. Yet vaccine opponents do not question = they assert as supposed fact claims not rooted in the science. That makes such "concerns" uninformed - and hence moot.

[@zachman5150]

@@varyolla435 There's no evidence this shot works as advertised. There is a ton of evidence to the contrary though.

[@niamhl6964]

The irony of Siaka saying 'we can do this together' when he's been going out, not wearing a mask, and thinking Covid isn't a big deal because the people he knows didn't deal with the worst of it.

[@iheartjbgccb]

People literally still think it's a hoax because of this. Like that's YOUR experience there are billions of different people

[@sage8281]

I feel like he's a genuine sociopath. He doesn't regard his actions and doesn't see the negative connection between those actions and their outcome. Very selfish and unaware.

[@kyky1869]

you can’t apply a few personal experiences to the situation as a whole. his ignorance is unfortunate

[@yanahakai]

F

[@Pseudynom]

@@iheartjbgccb I have a job. Unemployment is a lie!

[@narutouchiha5464]

Kelly fact checking siaka multiple times is giving me life

[@noelstar1456]

Don't even 😭Do you have any idea how many times I've seen people spreading lies about how there's only a 0.3% chance of dying- no, not even, I've seen 0.005% from some people. Twitter is not a good place.

[@AngelHernandez-fc3kd]

​@@noelstar1456 Theres a 1.8% chance of death in the U.S. as of April 13, 2021 while places like Yemen have a 20% chance. 11 months ago the U.S. had a 7.5% of death so were cooling down quick for a global pandemic.

[@patrickpearson1665]

Still low numbers

[@M16Ben]

Gay

[@AngelHernandez-fc3kd]

@@M16Ben ‘Tis the GAY

[@slayyster]

No one who didn't get the shot regrets it......

[@elyse443]

That’s true.

[@billsherman1565]

This seems false, i can google examples...

[@ti4383]

I want an episode of pro vaccine doctors be anti- covid vaccine doctors. It’s crazy how many doctors out there that are against it

[@ivy.421]

why is it crazy

[@presidentbusiness6924]

Mainly the doctors that are against it is not against the vaccine itself they are against the fact that they are forced to take it to be able to stay working in their fields.

[@randomdud7359]

Crazy how you believe everything you see on facebook. Can you show me resources on how many doctors disagree with the vaccine? Can you show me the CrAzY amount of doctors?

[@presidentbusiness6924]

@@randomdud7359 NHS

[@CalebNichols99]

It's crazy how the governments are forcing a product that they have investments in and gain profits from each who take this "vaccine". Yet the doctors and scientists willing to come forward and say not to take it are losing their licenses and are being cancelled. I wonder who I should trust???🤨

[@TheFireNeox]

This hurts to watch, some of these people just dont take it seriously

[@pogopope4761]

@Lamar Troy giving a fuck about not getting a deadly virus and giving it to others isn’t being a sheep it’s having the critical thinking skills to understand why you need to give a fuck

[@micah459]

They actually do just not as seriously as others.

[@iheartjbgccb]

@Lamar Troy so what are you doing here bot? 🤡 dont you have to be an alpha somewhere

[@andrewbyrne4105]

🐑🐑🐑🐑

[@desmondho6059]

@@iheartjbgccb bro don't even wast ur time on youtube comment sections lmaoo its just gonna make u lose braincells🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sarahestrada3581]

I applaud the nurse so much “surviving is different from thriving” such a powerful statement and so important to understand the difference between the two.

[@lucillem.3828]

Yes exactly.

[@andelyncrawford9267]

yes!

[@africansheabutter6903]

I read your comment as soon as I heard it

[@richsosa9698]

Not hard to know the difference

[@sarahestrada3581]

@@richsosa9698 great for you

[@amadib.6405]

This is most mature genuine conversation I have heard concerning this. Amazing

[@bronya8108]

Would have been great if they had got on an unvaccinated doctor or nurse - of which there are many who are intelligent, well educated and just have a different risk/benefit perception based on their own experiences (including treating patients with vaccine adverse events).

[@vasaguy7624]

Ya Robert Malone Vs these “doctors” 😂

[@VincentNoot]

Yeah those get censored on social media.

[@HK-jo3ek]

saika has such a lack of empathy for others.

[@yanahakai]

💩

[@stephany7938]

He cares only about himself. Nothing more than that

[@sudovirus3285]

He gives off sociopath vibes low key

[@Ayveh]

Yeah he is a selfish thing. Disgusting people like that should all be secluded while the virus is going on and then check back in on them 2 months later and see how they have or have not changed once they realize this is serious.

[@jeremysmith9694]

His arguments have zero to do with empathy. Even if he is completely wrong about the virus that does not mean he doesn't have empathy. Two completely different things.

[@mayaniie]

"I don't see it" was Siaki's only argument...

[@Real_PlayerOne]

Turns out the skeptical people were on to something….

[@madib1317]

how so?

[@djchinot7229]

The help me I can’t breathe part hit me hard. Rest In Peace Lola I love you.

[@tet8009]

Siaka: We shouldn’t let politics get in the way of the facts. Also Siaka: *Bases his entire opinion on Covid on a political narrative.*

[@yanahakai]

F

[@LuckiestManAlive]

Yeah... I mean, props to him for having civil discourse. I also understand his skepticism when it comes to political narratives, but you can tell that he looked up his facts based on confirmation bias. If he had researched facts from those with opposing views, he might be able to make a more informed decision, even if it's the same one.

[@briannk3720]

Say this prayer Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen thanksss ss

[@waldo8040]

@@LuckiestManAlive the reality is if you base your opinion on scientific fact and medecine without politics you'll end up agreeing with the doctors, so he's lying to us when he says he doesn't let politics dictate his behavior

[@LuckiestManAlive]

@@waldo8040 That's true when you talk about the majority Doctors. But the problem is... There have been a lot of Doctors on record talking about the net benefits of a lockdown, and saying that we shouldn't do them at all. So to him, those are the scientific facts that aren't politically driven. He even mentions this point during the debate. That's what I mean when I talk about confirmation bias. It just sucks to see it take hold of so many people.

[@samc749]

Siaka is soooo selfish and self-centred. Don’t know how the Doctor and Nurse stayed respectful to him because he lost mine immediately 😭

[@audreyg1442]

Omg yes!!! His views seem to only be based on his experience and doesn’t want to consider other views.

[@HerbieRey]

They'll have both had patients who also didnt think it was a big deal, despite dying from it days later. They've seen it all. I doubt anything could shake them and that's why healthcare workers are a whole different breed of human. Hats off to them all

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[@FragranceEuphoria]

Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.

[@jeffreid3341]

This didn't age well for the pro Vax people

[@saratrue8690]

Officially one of my favorite middle grounds.💓 Thank u for this insightfull, thoughtfull and wonderfull time of togetherness and understanding.

[@SntYvsLrnt]

I just cant believe how science became a sensitive topic.

[@ajasmith6733]

Very scary

[@creamtastic2314]

Actually throughout history, science has always been put down by people for years. It’s only recently that people have began to acknowledging scientists and their studies. This is only a great example of how some people really can disbelieve what others have deemed to be common fact.

[@frazebean5117]

Sadly the facts hurt and believing in what you want is easier.

[@rozharding2834]

Oh please😂 it’s a sensitive topic when it comes to the science behind gender, but no one misses a beat there. 🤨

[@naminaro8842]

Republicans.