PART TWO: Our Thoughts on T.I. Taking His Daughter to the Gyno

[@purple814deedee]

Tamera was the only person that seemed disgusted by this as everyone should be. That’s invasive and predatory to the highest degree

[@namastewellness]

That's because Tamara was the only one who as a teenager probably wasn't even thinking like these women were when they were the same age. My closest cousin started having sex at 14 and dropped out of high school at 17 and was another of three by age 24 . Meanwhile, I made out with a guy for the first time in my life on the eve of my 24th birthday after finishing grad school. Everyone is different but T.I. is afraid of his daughter becoming like the females he smashed back in the day and encouraging his sons to smash today.

[@sabrinasown]

Exactly

[@purple814deedee]

john smith him being a friend makes sense but because he’s a black and a rapper? I don’t think so. Jeannie got it wrong her, but I don’t think all of that is the case.

[@stephcurrys7496]

john smith yep! She's clearly ass kissing

[@xoxospam2708]

Shanicedb loni too

[@kaylamarini5496]

Coming from a panel of “strong independent women”, I find this disgusting and extremely disappointing.

[@deedelrio7744]

Agreed.

[@FKA91]

They care so much about T.I's poor little feelings as a male, but they don't care about T.I's daughter. This is humiliating and abusive. The whole world is talking about her hymen and her virginity because T.I can't respect women and girls, even his own. There's no excuse.

[@thelight1385]

@@madridista703usa3 yet he doesnt care about his 14 year old son having sex and cheatining on his Wife? Lol ok

[@YellowRanger_]

Kayla Marini what you said. 100%

[@immaculatepeter5529]

Kayla Marini To be honest tho most of these women always miss the mark when discussing things that may empower women like the topic of wether women should shave and all of them said that it’s disgusting for women to be hairy .

[@Smurflexis]

This whole segment was disappointing on their part.

[@sonyvalencia]

Yes, I was surprised but most of their answers. (Tamera was being too nice she knew this was not right)

[@samanthabatt287]

I’m shocked at them actually agreeing with this.

[@reabetswemokale1545]

They rally missed the point🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Smurflexis]

It’s like they aren’t grasping how toxic this behavior is.

[@myhextixmind8632]

Except Eva.

[@CaitKat]

TI isnt teaching her the message that "sex is a big deal." He's teaching her that he doesnt respect her privacy.

[@kerstonhuston540]

And teaching her that he doesn't trust her to make sound decisions on behalf of herself, her wellbeing, and her body. Also he's showing her that he's not confident in the way he raised her up to be a woman and in the example of how a man should be treating her.

[@c.lakayedanielsstevens8913]

THAT RIGHT THERE...PERIOD!!!

[@c.lakayedanielsstevens8913]

IMHO...HE HAS INSECURITIES BASED ON HIS SEXUAL BEHAVIORS WHICH ARE NOT HEALTHY...AT ALL...NOT JUDGING...BECAUSE HE PUT IT OUT THERE!!!

[@parisn2963]

He is treating his daughter as an object not a young woman. Acting as if her value will go down if she has sex. Teach her how to protect herself instead.

[@gailhopkins5767]

Sorry Ladies u can say all u want. A FELMALE VAULE DOES GO DOWN THE MOMENT SHE HAS SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT! OF COURSE IT IS NOT. BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ( REMEMBER THE WOMEN IN THE BIBLE. ) NO ONE EVEN SAID HE TWO WAS WRONG!. & WE CAN WISH ALL WE WANT TO FOR IT TO CHANCE IT WILL NOT.!. BESIDE FOR BOTH FEMALE& MALES. YOUR BODY IS YOUR TEMPLE & IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY!. I REMEMBER A MEN MAKING A STATEMENT TO MEN WHEN ASK IF I WAS OPEN TO CERTAIN THINGS. & I SAID WOULD U ASK YOUR DAUGHTER. HE SAID NO! & U ARE NOT MY DAUGHTER. & MY JOURNEY BEGAN TO BECOME CELEBRATE & HAS BEEN SO TIL THIS DAY. PERIOD. NO MARRIAGE NO SEX NOT EVEN TOYS. TO EACH HIS OWN. GRACE TO ALL.gh

[@elizabethd112]

@@gailhopkins5767 a person's value does not go down because they have had sex. Women are not objects that devalue once you remove the packaging. We are human beings. You are an extremely misogynistic person, what a shame that a woman would say something so horrible. Also you should spend more time reading so maybe you can learn how to spell.

[@karlac3340]

I usually agree with Jeannie but this isnt it.

[@poobkjm]

I personally think Jeannie made valid points.

[@allenpayne927]

Jeannie is being so gross with this topic. This is a double fucking standard and it feels a little abusive

[@Alibern7]

Allen Payne I see both ways

[@poobkjm]

I think some of you all totally missed what Jeannie said 😬🤷🏽‍♀️.

[@rlondon1997]

Karla Mazariegos Jeannie been sniffing some of jeezy’s stash

[@Dullababyyy]

They did a horrible job on this topic. Eva was the only one spot on

[@irisalexanderunofficial]

jeannie and adrienne really pissed me off with this topic.

[@karysma71]

Kayla I agree with you!

[@dawnarxtic]

and Tamera

[@sheilaprestock6098]

as usual, they never do research and are just cosigning with a man because its the easy thing to do i'm disgusted

[@crystalswiggett358]

It's their opinions. They don't have to all think alike. That's the point of the show.

[@YasmineB2468]

This is the most problematic conversation I’ve ever heard. Tam & Eva are the only parents and it shows. The ignorance on this topic is LOUD from everyone else.

[@KayHamp]

Yasmine Wilson yes! I definitely look at the cast with no children differently.. they literally think like men...I was cringing during the whole conversation. I think Tam & Eva was both tryna hold back to play nice.

[@ayjaybay93]

Loni too, she kept getting cut off so she didn’t get to make many points, but she wasn’t okay with it either.

[@biancagray2389]

zoojyby93 she kinda seemed like she did when she said he was old school

[@MichelleMurphy]

I’m very loud on this topic and I’m not a mother but this behavior is problematic af. And TI is a controlling , manipulative, insecure POS.

[@jessa6424]

It's really does show , I was honestly very dissapointed with the angle they took (Jeannie and Adrienne) cause I just feel like they ignored how much friction and lose in a parent-child relationship that might cause. Also it's down right controlling , manipulative and unfair to the daughter. He should be taking a different approach and I can only see this hurting his relationship with her

[@pinkrose1115]

No I’m not going to praise “dads who care even if it’s crazy”. This is not caring it’s abuse. And for someone who was a victim of abuse Jeannie should’ve known better

[@arinaahmed1743]

I almost threw up when she said that, as if abusive dads can be described as 'dads who care even if its a little crazy'

[@kaylawilliams9874]

Wait when was jeannie abused?

[@giovarchi]

Kayla Williams she was abused when she was a child by a family member she talks about it in the video with her mom thats the reason she ran away from home

[@MsDudette21]

Right? Someone should have asked her what if her dad wanted to give her a hymen check growing up.

[@AlyC92]

THIS! I was shocked when Jeannie started talking

[@julianairvin6275]

This is perverted, invasive, and disgusting. Not “old school.” That is no valid excuse to be so invasive on your daughter. Then to treat your son the opposite? No. That is not okay at all.

[@latoyajohnson8695]

Cristina Jai that’s definitely NOT ok at all

[@laurasantos4062]

This ain’t it. Y’all have no respect for other women’s body

[@kammore6209]

This segment is one of the most embarrassing I’ve seen on this show. Are they serious??

[@beth90]

I was expecting to watch this and hear them say “oh heeeelll no! such lack of respect! invasion of privacy! borderline abuse!” But they “lowkey” support him?!? Disgusting.

[@pravinagovender9169]

Disgraceful. I thought they intelligent and woke. Im shocked.

[@Media-ee3kp]

I wish they let Eva speak... I know she had more sense

[@jojosantana8466]

I’m so disappointed!

[@Beebeebee111]

Imagine saying you “lowkey respect” abuse, disgusting.

[@lasagnekiller]

Loni and Tamera’s answers didn’t satisfy me either tbh. Completely missed the point and didn’t even address the violation and psychological damage that comes with something like this.

[@ladycaticorn2950]

Yeah, I agree. They should've been calling Jeannie out the moment those vile words came out of her mouth. No one is talking about how it is wrong to police your child's body and violate their right to consent.

[@brinaechanel4236]

Wow, The Worlds Gone Soft. By The Way @Lady Caticorn You Yourself Said Child ..So If She Still Is Then I Don’t Think T.I Is In Any Violation. Maybe Invasive , Sure But Its Called Parenting

[@ladycaticorn2950]

@@brinaechanel4236 She's 18 years old. Stop defending misogyny and a violation of bodily autonomy. Her dad should not be making decisions about her sexual health and playing semantics because I said "child" (which could have easily been "daughter", "spawn", or "offspring") is moot. If you think it is okay to force an adult to have an unnecessary, invasive gynecological exam based on antiquated ideas about sexual purity which cannot be medically verified, then you are, like T.I., a part of the problem. Also, T.I. is not concerned about his sons having sex; in fact, he praised his 15-year-old for losing his virginity. T.I. is a misogynistic, abusive hypocrite and defending his behavior is condoning abusive parenting--something none of us should support.

[@BbGun-lw5vi]

Lady Caticorn Nailed it

[@PartyWrlld]

The only thing that was damaging psychologically is that it was asked by the media and given his answer to prevent anything happening to his daughter cause him to seem like a bad parent

[@gennaa6111]

I can’t believe they’re saying that this behaviour is “caring”... makes me feel sick.

[@warlyfresh]

Maybe you wanna live a promiscuous life, but he doesn't want that life for his daughter.

[@zanayeclark8394]

Only Jeannie & Adrienne said that

[@gennaa6111]

warlyfresh but it’s fine for his sons to live a promiscuous life though? just say you don’t want women in control of their own bodies and go

[@iridescentraindrops]

@@SHEERFEAR guys also perform oral sex and get covered with our juices. How is it that its only disrespectful act for us and not for them?

[@candlecane]

@@SHEERFEAR Ummm, WHAT?!!

[@angelique757]

I’m tired of people using “old school” as a means to be manipulative and controlling.

[@xlovelygi]

Angelique Skyë exactly!! Ive read that most of our parents are very manipulative and narcissistic.

[@lisan5642]

@@xlovelygi I don't agree with that. They just want the protect their children. What's wrong with that? They don't want them to make the same mistake they did or even things that they have heard to happen to them.

[@britbritnicole]

Angelique Skyë I don’t agree if my parents just let me do whatever I wouldn’t be the person I am now. Some patents today don’t care what their kids do and look what happens?

[@lisan5642]

@@britbritnicole bu that is exactly what I mean if they care they will protect you. And I now that bad things can these you a lesson but the parents can do that becos some mistake you cant undo

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Angelique Skyë thank you there is nothing old school about this is incredibly sexist, creepy, manipulative and controlling and extra emphasis on creepy. What T.I did takes it too far and too make it worse the whole world found out what he did. If i was in that situation the amount of trust issues I would have would be insane

[@celinemusicislife7646]

I feel like these ladies jumped into this topic without a full understanding of the situation. First of all Deyjah Harris, by liking those tweets, has expressed how invasive her father has been. Secondly, T.I sharing this information with the world humiliated her, the panel didn’t touch on that. Thirdly, none of them seem to understand that virginity testing is medically unethical. It’s not just about personal morals, this practice causes physical and psychological pain to young children, and is a gross human rights violation according to the world health organization. The doctor can literally lose his medial license for this. T.I is denying his daughter bodily autonomy, reinforcing the idea that fathers own their daughters. Nothing about that equates to good parenting. Strict and abusive are not the same thing. There are so many layers to this issue, and these ladies botched it because they didn’t to the research. Very disappointing**

[@sandrae2398]

Exactly. You should have the top comment.

[@zhabtema]

THANK YOU!!!!!!! People are not talking about the WHO and medical issues on this topic. That stuff superceded stuff about parenting style.

[@rosehumphries4198]

really well said👏🏻

[@MichelleMurphy]

👏🏿👏🏿

[@rebotilesebati3933]

PERIOD!!! 🤛🏾

[@nafeesahsdaughter2099]

Tamera looked like the answers they’re giving made her cringe!!!!!

[@Entertainmentnewsai]

I don't think it had to do with the answers, I think she was flashing back to her upbringing which I can relate to

[@_cindyae467]

It’s only because T.I and jeezy are friends. Jeanie’s a sell out

[@katiem4539]

Aahh that makes SO MUCH SENSE

[@8SeventeenForever]

I was thinking this.

[@malc_nox]

Just because some ideology is "old school" does not make it right. Jim Crow was "old school". I just find it interesting that the women defending TI went ham on a company for having a sexist seminar not to long ago but applaud a man enforcing sexist ideology on his child. I'm tired of people using God to enforce homophobia, racism, and in this case sexism.

[@candlecane]

Haven't you noticed how scared these women are to call out their fellow celebrities? They always kiss ass or tap dance around it. Shameful.

[@toyawalker86]

Malcolm Marks 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@Adalidyal]

They always use “God” as an excuse. It’s pathetic.

[@stephaniearroyo4344]

Did I miss something I didn’t hear God in this. Then again I didn’t watch the whole show

[@ladycaticorn2950]

I'm a Christian and I find T.I.'s behavior abhorrent and disgusting. They can't even say "but God tho" in this case because virginity checks aren't about God, they're about controlling and shaming women. It's sad to see WOC falling into the same mindsets that were used to justify the mass enslavement, rape, abuse, and violation of African-American women just a few hundred years ago.

[@brianromero6213]

T.I is concerned because he realizes he treats his wife they way men could treat his daughter.

[@mariabrindusoiu2863]

Brian Romero thats still does not give him the right to control a grown teenagers sexuality

[@brianromero6213]

Maria Brindusoiu Ik it doesn’t but I think that’s part of the reason why he’s doing it.

[@NAORCONVO]

💯

[@m__a_]

Exactly, but a normal person would change his behavior.

[@Maxqueenn]

BLOOP!!!!

[@clementine8397]

One of the worst parts for me is that his daughter is liking tweets that are criticizing T.I. This shows she doesn’t agree with it, and she never had a choice. He FORCED her to give up that information. He said every year after her birthday he would take her to the OBGYN to check. This has been happening long before she was 18. It’s even more disgusting that her mother is allowing this, and it’s even more disgusting that he told the whole world!

[@tovah8841]

But I can see where he’s coming from, he is scared to let his daughter go into the world to experience what the world has to offer, and that sometimes is hell and full of crappy men .. Girls are precious and they should be careful with their bodies..

[@clementine8397]

Tovah men should be careful with their bodies as well! They can get hundreds of women pregnant, and they can get deadly STDs. Being promiscuous is bad for BOTH genders. When will people understand that.

[@kebataliam496]

@@tovah8841 but, his behavior remains creepy and without boundaries.

[@tovah8841]

bubblepopelectric absolutely both should be safe and should wait ! I waited! And my body is my temple !! But my point is we should be a bit more protective with our girls because there are some crappy men out there that do hunt for girls just to use them.. Or take advantage of them ... We gotta protect our girls.. Girls should remain pure as long as they can.. You know how the flesh is when it comes to males.. If I said it in person, I could explain it better and would make more sense ..

[@tovah8841]

Keba Taliam it is totally creepy but I think he’s just desperate and scared .Its his daughter so he is trying too hard to control her body .. I have an 8 year old daughter and I love her so much that I would do something crazy like this becAuse the fear of letting her go and her getting hurt when she’s grown .. Yes it’s wrong and not ok, but I can understand him ! Bruh, the world is crazy with some crazy people.. It’s fear ..

[@KL-Lady]

It’s not old school is a violation.

[@sharzhay]

Katie L to some it’s tradition...

[@misseydj123]

Sharzhay La fleur Still a violation.

[@Whitney23803]

Right!!! My father was strict but he was never that bad.

[@alexisjones2133]

@@sharzhay thank you, you can't be a parent to your own children in today's society. People want to turn this into a socialism matriarchy.

[@KL-Lady]

Sharzhay La fleur would you be okay if this was done to you ?

[@sherryl7602]

I’m shocked and disgusted by Jeannie and Adrienne’s reactions. I dont even feel comfortable watching this show anymore.

[@shylovesCb]

I'm starting to feel that way too I don't understand how they could think this was acceptable me growing up with an abusive controlling parent this gives me the chills 😭

[@dominiquebrown3961]

Exactly!! it was a complete joke to Adrienne. I'm in disgust! and Jeannie Mai just made me done with the show completely..

[@chelle9941]

Let’s be honest, if a random person had said they do this to their daughter, the responses would be completely different...

[@jesiilovee]

EXACTLY

[@lallipoppin]

Why?? Its a creepy and invasive thing to do period. To announce it to the world, as a celebrity just makes it embarrassing for his daughter

[@Kayla-ng7bq]

I lost a lot of respect for Jeannie in this clip. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but wow, I cannot believe that anyone condones a man forcing his daughter to see a gynecologist ONLY to make sure her “hymen is still intact”. It’s embarrassing and incredibly inappropriate as well as misogynistic, considering his FIFTEEN year old son admitted to having sex, and T.I. was proud of him and they laughed it off. Embarrassing and shameful. 😕

[@donnasantiago5016]

I too lost soooo much respect for Jeannie here.

[@minimariehere]

Preach

[@samanthabatt287]

I’m so shocked too. I was not expecting her to agree with this

[@aruallauraarual]

Kayla probably because her boo and TI know eachother. Disgusting for her to downplay this situation

[@stephcurrys7496]

I view her so differently. I hate ppl who kiss ass ti & jezzy are very close. She went too far put too much sauce on her tacos

[@abigailmoore7352]

Can we stop applauding men for simply 'caring' because toxic people care a lot too.

[@TheMymichelle]

The bar is so low for men. "As long as he's around." Sad

[@magdagirl241]

Abigail Moore THIS

[@captainamerica6545]

MichelleMyBelle the bar is low for people in general

[@ayjaybay93]

Toxic people care too much. Toxic people are over bearing. Toxic people allow no boundaries. Toxic people don’t respect others’ rights. Toxic people don’t care about creating trauma. TI is toxic af

[@pamelaaranzazu]

LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!!!!!!!!

[@IntuitiveWanderess]

When men show that they “care” in a way that’s controlling and disempowering like T.I.’s actions, it leads me to believe that girls will accept this in other men in their lives. And that’s not okay to me. Moreover, I don’t think it was appropriate to put her information out there, especially. That’s embarrassing and an invasion of privacy. Why not empower your children to trust themselves and make sound decisions. She is not some property.

[@abigailmoore7352]

Thank you!!!! I'm having so much trouble processing some people's reactions to this toxic parenting.

[@OtraAmelia]

!!!!

[@moimeself1088]

I agree 100% he should be teaching her how to make that CHOICE when the time comes, not controlling her body. Reminds me of some horrible church group here in SA that offered scholarships for girls, but only on condition they remained virgins and subjected themselves to this form of invasion. It was outrageous. Needless to say, it didn't last.

[@egyptscott4801]

Exactly...you hit it on the head

[@briethompson439]

Yes!! Well written! This is going to cause so much pychological damage shes going to need to work through :(

[@Wargatron]

T.I is teaching his daughter that her body isn’t hers.

[@dabidab2]

Lexi Estrada Spot On!

[@maxlastname1977]

I agree with ti

[@paigeHeartspaige]

She’s 18 now so legally the doctor shouldn’t be telling him anything. But money talks

[@pronouncedzara]

Jeannie needs to check herself. They didn’t even bring up the fact that this behavior is indicative of predatory behavior. A lot of sexual assault victims have had their body policed by their abusers in order to “prove their innocence”. What he’s doing is so creepy because it is. He’s too concerned on an unhealthy level so you gotta question if they’re some skeletons in his closet.

[@blablablabla4711]

Exactly!!!

[@nittydada1302]

He just over protective that's his first biological daughter an he know men are waiting to jump on her. I feel like it ain't nothing wrong with it. So many moms an dad's are not that concerned an be raising under cover hoes.

[@poobkjm]

I think Jeannie had valid points. She asked the “why’s” as in why and what’s TI’s purpose for the gyno visits. Everyone always trying to come for Jeannie when in reality she made valid points here.

[@poobkjm]

Anitra Ray I think TI putting that information out here was inappropriate!!

[@dj6308]

Or maybe he just wants to present his daughter to the man that wants to marry her as a non-whore. No self respecting man wants to marry a woman whos been around no matter he says.

[@jeffreyward7815]

This panel is making light of a very serious topic. They missed it.

[@peachlife5118]

This type of thing one notch below female circumcision where they sew up the girl's vagina at birth to prevent her from having sex! And they are acting like it is just an overprotective daddy issue. DO BETTER!!!

[@flo3502]

SoniB Xo YES!!!!! This is absolutely true!!!!

[@tamekatameka7850]

The look of Loni and Tam towards Jeannie, is the look we all are giving her.

[@dahliablake4818]

This show has become such BS I feel like no one ever tells how they really feel they just talk until they can all agree

[@Tyree101]

That's why I miss Tamar! She kept it 100% all the time.

[@sksn5554]

Why are yall not in Adriennes comments checking her?? Only Jeannie is getting dragged on ig

[@shaunice4594]

Riina T we lost Adrienne a long time ago😂 lost cause

[@lifeisgolden41]

Bc Adrienne is pick me asf and can never say men are wrong.

[@user-py2fx5wp1o]

Riina T thank you! And her comments were worse than Jeannie’s in my opinion. She deserves just as much of the backlash if not more

[@100XPercentX]

@@user-py2fx5wp1o did i miss something what did adrienne say? all i heard was her trying to be neutral and not really have an opinion!

[@user-py2fx5wp1o]

Nia Daniels saying “I low key respect this” is staying neutral to you?? Then she said that TI’s controlling behavior shows he cares and suggested that maybe he’s trying to put the fear of god in her. Doesn’t really sound like someone trying to stay to neutral

[@breneesmith5400]

It doesn’t matter WHY he is so concerned . She is 18 years old in college... Those results are nobodies business but hers . He does not even give her a real choice to deny him the right to see her results . This is him teaching her that men policing women’s bodies is normal . This is a man controlling her body disguising it as “protection” ... “protection’ that he does not seem to feel the need to have over his sons bodies . Unacceptable , gross & expected from TI ... His son admitted to having s** at 15 ... with someone ELSES daughter... and he’s ok with THAT.

[@samiekallen4442]

•B• For BOOBIES BlOCK My guy why did u censor the word sex like it’s a bad word and we in grammar school🤣🤣🤣🤣 One of those

[@JohnneseP]

I 100000% agree with you. I would love to know what standards is he setting for when she looks for her husband. Because personally what I'm getting from this is what you said, a man has power over a woman's body and that's how it is suppose to be.

[@breneesmith5400]

Samiek Allen It’s youtube ... ive had my comments filtered for saying all kinds of things that are not PG or child friendly

[@samiekallen4442]

•B• For BOOBIES BlOCK ....ok

[@Cosmosandchisme]

Old school is when you’re dad doesn’t want you to date and doesn’t let you go out to parties. This is just abuse and it’s not okay. And it does not mean he cares.

[@stillfoufou]

Exactly! My dad did not want me to date until I was 18, but he NEVER needed to know anything about my vagina. Also, he was kind, he did not have me shaking in fear of him. If I'd had ever been asked out on a date in high school I would not have hid it from my parents. I trusted them and their love for me. I doubt TI's daughter feels the same being under his thumb like this

[@viola7052]

I don’t know how anyone can say this is caring. This is all about TI’s ego and his feelings, he doesn’t care about his daughter. Our society is so sick that people think abuse is love/caring.

[@teeahrahahnet]

I gotta comment again. Wtf is wrong with y'all. A panel of women not calling him out for the misogynist he is. So disgusting.

[@Kassie6600]

Completely agree... this is absolutely crazy and these women are part of the problem by not condemning this.

[@EMERALDPMD]

teeahrahahnet Thank you

[@TheSierraJ97]

I think Loni and Eva wanted too..

[@Sumi2379]

Ughhhh right! It’s really irritating to make it seem like it’s normal

[@jyn88]

Loni did imply it @0:27

[@neikiebailey]

And what about the daughter??? And how she feels??? This is not caring this is a violation.

[@mohinij9841]

I feel like smacking a brick on Jeanie and Adrienne for being so biased. Like seriously? You guys yourself didn't hold those : fear of God standards' your parents put in you. And that was just words, while T.I is on whole another level. And here you're saying how supportive you feel of this abusive parenting. Trying to understand someone's POV is different and supporting toxicity is different. You're flat out supporting abuse. Please get your heads checked.

[@jeishaacevedo2931]

Celebrities are so biased towards other celebrities I feel like. If they know them in the slightest they like to sugarcoat it!

[@zeea8886]

This right here!!!! I'm so so surprised with the way they talked about this topic.. Very disappointed

[@fremsss4956]

Jeisha Acevedo RIGHT!!!!!

[@crystalshrestha3645]

Thank you for bringing this up!

[@alyonalitvinova5768]

Virginity is also a social construct - why isn't he checking if his son is still a virgin?

[@indiaxlovee]

Alyona Litvinova having sex for the first time is a real thing, the oxytocin in our brains being released for the first time is a real thing, but we need to hold men and women to the same standard

[@adimfavourmaris4578]

His son has had sex

[@Alexa-uk8lj]

girl virginity is NOT a social construct. It's real. But it's NOT his to police.

[@DistressedAndImpressed]

On their show, his 14 year old son said that he had sex. T.I. laughed like it was funny while his wife was visibly upset.

[@geekchickaz]

What physical check can they do to see if boys are still virgins or not?

[@alyssaf7438]

Hearing grown women like Adrienne and Jeannie agree with this is heart breaking. Ya'll really gonna allow your man to police your daughters body? It's scary this is why teenage girls especially pull away from parents. That is choosing a mans will over your daughters right to privacy

[@sweetrisse]

Agreeing and understanding where someone is coming from us two different things.

[@passportheavy5505]

They aren’t brave enough to challenge sexism, because they are avoiding being called out by celebrities. Very fake fellows

[@eca6545]

Adriene has proven time and time again that she is stupid and absolutely clueless but Jeanie man how disappointing

[@Prizzilla]

Alyssa F Adrienne is the “Pick me” class president, so yes she will allow that if her amazing Christian husband says it’s necessary.

[@magugu1712]

Alyssa F if the attention was placed on boys they’d be less policing of girls bodies but ti doesn’t understand he is condoning all of this indirectly🧐

[@alenabuio7347]

i’m actually really upset at the panels take on this situation. your hymen can be torn doing other things other than sexual acts

[@CxcButterfly]

Demons want to have saints as children... that’s all I have to say 🤐

[@sxyteesa0890]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! You are not lying.

[@blyncc]

There’s a difference between having protective parents and having toxic parents...

[@keyanna2633]

Exactly! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@UrbanAfricano93]

Kitten Qween Exactly

[@justtogetpast]

The panel is missing the point, it's about more than sex...do y'all not see the manipulative aspects? The way he coerced and manipulated? Crossed her boundaries and embarrassed her? Y'all trying to make it everything but what it is, TI is afraid that men in his likeness are going to approach his daughter and treat her the way he STILL treats women. This is not about Dejah and what's good for her, it's about him and his karma. If he considered Dejah at all, he wouldn't be doing this because she clearly hates it.

[@vsboardza]

Crossed her boundaries at the OBGYN and by sharing her business on a public forum

[@Maria-lg5gx]

THIS IS THE MOST REAL POST ABOUT THIS TOPIC. Men's karma comes for their daughters. If you're an ass to women your daughter will end up with an ass just like their dads. He knows this or he wouldn't be manipulative about this.

[@TikaRoxanne]

👏👏👏👏 best comment so far

[@dj6308]

If more women and men were like T.I. then we would have so many degenerates causing chaous in this society. He is considering her feelings. 5 years from now she will thank him for the tough love.

[@darshjohnson91]

Preach!!!!!

[@seva_wellness]

I’ve been watching this show for 6 years. At times, you guys have dropped the ball on certain issues due to an apparent lack of prep at best, or intellectual shortcomings at worst. This time was the most damaging. You just promoted toxic, abusive behavior on your show. Jeannie and Adrienne especially. I hope you publicly apologize and save the thousands of women and girls who may have gotten the completely wrong idea and message from this mistake. I’ll be boycotting the show and the hosts’ channels/projects until they do.

[@LilyJohn96]

So true 😥 that way of thinking is scary

[@reginadelreal9623]

Seriously. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU... for this comment.

[@yisel211]

Thank you!!!!

[@cleopatramashile9140]

i think this comment should be reposted again. they need to get this, what they did is far more damaging than they realize

[@masegoseane1830]

I can only imagine how T.I's daughter is feeling. This is so invasive, this is so wrong.

[@IwasDiana]

I sometimes wish the Real would stay away from deep controversial topics because they always seem to miss key points and in-depth perspectives.

[@Jtz-]

This is actually so disappointing, I expected better from these ladies.

[@hiboahmed8876]

I cannot believe they think this is okay. I’m 24 and still a virgin(waiting for marriage) and my parents know that and have always trusted me. If they asked to check I would be furious and horrified. That is very invasive and gross. What I decide to do with my body is ultimately MY choice. That’s such a private and sensitive thing. Also the fact that he felt it was okay to share her sexual status to the world is also over stepping boundaries. He needs a major lesson on boundaries.

[@milcahnd]

well said

[@excitedmommy]

So disappointed and disgusted that no one called this out as the abuse that it is. Specifically that Jeannie who has experienced sexual abuse would not only condone but justify and promote this abuse. Jeannie, I’m a big fan, but horrified by your stance. Do you have any idea the harm your words could have to young girls who are experiencing abuse that look up to you? Please correct this on tomorrow’s show. Horribly disappointed in you ladies. You should be standing up against misogyny, abuse, and controlling men who think women are property.

[@MarvinBeau888]

Pantuf1 Yes! Thank you

[@acidicascetic]

This conversation made me not want to watch this show anymore. I have found the show entertaining, but I have always thought that it over-indexes on silly, frivolous topics ("According to a poll on PurplePrincess.com 84% of women like to wear matching sets of underwear. So ladies, what do YOU think?") to the extent that it does these hosts as well as the audience a real disservice. But when I see these hosts completely butcher an issue like this, I am so beyond appalled, disappointed, and to be honest - disgusted - that I can't help but think they should have their Emmy snatched back. If you ladies are going to be so lazy that you do not take the time to do basic research (beyond your first instinct and the Bible) to show that you understand multiple perspectives on an issue, then why even bother having a talk show like this? You want to claim that this show has a culturally significant role representing women of color on daytime TV. Please do something halfway useful with this privilege.

[@armentablessed7381]

It’s gona be really sad if when the daughter turns 30 she ends up saying she’s appreciative of her dad doing that 🤷🏾‍♀️ be careful our minds do change. Abuse being thrown around like that is dangerous. A lot of things I didn’t like growing up & I am soooo thankful for now so just be careful

[@chardonnayloadholt9264]

She can have her own opinions she doesn’t need to agree with the majority bc u say so

[@excitedmommy]

Armenta Blessed 41 year old woman who was assaulted as a child. I can speak with confidence, no woman should be promoting or condoning a man feeling like it is his right to treat a woman’s body (daughter or not) as property.

[@sksn5554]

Not watching this show ever again if yall are really okay with a father abusing his grown daughter

[@stephanieleah6656]

T.I. is teaching this young woman “manipulation and control is love, this is how a man should treat you” So so wrong.

[@bebi102]

Problems I have with this segment: 1) Jeannie and Adrienne supporting T.I.'s action; 2) Loni's "only problem" being T.I.'s double standard treatment between his sons and daughters; 3) nobody NOBODY on this panel bothered at all by the fact that not only is T.I. violating his daughter's privacy and body rights physically, but also by announcing this fact to the public! Your daughter's body, virginity, and gyno visits are her own business... not yours, not ours, and most definitely not any of the thirsty and creepy men (and probably women, too) out there. T.I. is T.I... but I have been a huge fan of The Real for years and have never been so disappointed with the ladies or the show until now.

[@tylerjones9432]

bebixo THANK YOU! This is the only comment I’ve found who said it. Not only is what he’s doing wrong... but he announced it to the public?! It was probably without her consent as well lol. This whole situation is disgusting.

[@Polisciandfries]

It's also not even medically accurate...

[@RdGrLKCii]

ALL OF THIS! Thank you!

[@LilyJohn96]

@@Polisciandfries How would a doctor accept that ? 😥

[@kiwifruit777]

Exactly! This whole situation is disgusting to me and I get angry every time I see an article or post about it. Should have never been exposed to the public.

[@caitlinoxley6613]

Obviously Ti doesn’t think “having sex is a big deal” as he encourage his 14 year old SON to go ahead🙄

[@ovojc6502]

Caitlin Oxley it’s not the same for a guy

[@virisanchez4033]

@@ovojc6502 that's the problem, it should be.

[@clementine8397]

J C yes it is. Guys can get hundreds of women pregnant, and they can get deadly STDs. Promiscuity in both genders is harmful.

[@aleesharenea7867]

@@clementine8397 Exactly 👏

[@natashathompson8800]

Right

[@craigzuma5600]

PLEASE TAKE DOWN THIS CLIP AS IT IS SPREADING MISS INFORMATION AND IS VERY DAMAGING TO YOUNG GIRLS WHO COME TO THIS SHOW FOR ADVICE. THIS TOPIC HONESTLY WAS POORLY HANDLED

[@Mamigotsazon_]

I’m disappointed in this discussion, T.I has no right to violate his daughters body.

[@riverthoughts2400]

I think it reflects that TI has bigger issues that are unresolved. His insecurity about his daughter’s purity is probably reflective of his guilt of how he treated women in his past 🤷‍♀️

[@aliyahrants5092]

pretty disappointed with this conversation. y’all really out here tryna make excuses for this kind of toxic parenting lol please educate yourselves.

[@fka_the_body1542]

💯TI is a very weird man...

[@sweetlikecaramel08]

Aliyah Janelle exactly!! Let’s just wait and see when Adrienne and Jeannie have a daughter of themselves and if they will like it if their own husband did that to their daughter. So I am siding Tam on this one because I, too, have young daughters and I tell my eldest who is 10 to never be afraid to tell me ANYTHING whatever that may be. But no way in hell would i let my husband do what T.I is doing cus it’s just wrong on so many level. I know my husband is very close to his daughters & son and dont want them to ever grow up but even he thinks that T.I should not do that to his daughter cus it’s just simply wrong!

[@Sumi2379]

I think tam didn’t agree but wasn’t tryna argue lol

[@rashnas4029]

Spl Heart i agree, you could see it on her face she didnt like what jeannie was saying

[@islandborn-w5v]

Think she’s annoyed of Jeannie’s comments overall.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

A shame Tam stayed a virgin longer than any of them and still could see the bullshit in what Ti was doing.

[@kaylarobinson5834]

She kind of rolled her eyes when A was talking 😭

[@angelakhoury3453]

"I can only imagine how hard that is for a father" really adrienne? how about empathising with the daughter who should be the main concern here.

[@QueenChastity]

Yeah she was buggin tf out with that comment.

[@yisel211]

Publicly exposing such a personal thing.

[@rmanney100]

Angela Khoury Jennie and Adrienne both sounded dumb and of course neither one of them old bitches have kids so they think this is alright

[@honeymoney23]

THANK YOU! What type of crack are they smoking??

[@MusicxxWhorexx]

I’m disgusted by them and everything they’re saying. Tam and Loni the only ones making any damn sense

[@maryfariyibi9619]

The way they are defending him is disgusting. And don’t get me started on TI because I could write a novel on how misogynistic and hypocritical he is.

[@adegren3844]

Adrienne says “I had old school parents!” Did they send you to a gynecologist?

[@samreen2037]

Hey Adrienne since your parents put so much of fear of God in you, did you or did you not still sleep with your man before your wedding? I can’t even with Jeannie. Ffs what are you even saying sis? Not everyone is like you

[@Msxoxo082609]

Thank you! Adrienne really tries hard to convince us she's always been this holy God fearing person

[@KerriganTisdale]

Jeannie will change her entire moral compass depending on who she's sleeping with.

[@Msxoxo082609]

@@KerriganTisdaleGirl you noticed that tooo! Cuz she's dating Yeezy now she wanna be down with the trap so bad smh

[@8luvbug]

I have a hard time believing her parents were even (that) strict.

[@user-py2fx5wp1o]

samreen fatima exactly. She’s saying her parents put the fear of god in her but clearly it didn’t work because she was out there having premarital sex. Her and Israel claim they waited until marriage to consummate but regardless of whether that is true or not she admitted to having sex with her ex boyfriends, Rob and Lenny soo...clearly being over protective when it comes to sex doesn’t always work

[@zuiilaa]

Look I was a virgin until I was 26 years old - by choice. And my dad never once went with me to the obgyn to check my hymen. He did tell me I can come to him for anything. He told me abstinence is your best protection against stds and pregnancy. And make sure when it happens it is with someone you love/respect and who loves/respects you. AND he said the same exact thing to my brother who is 3 years older than me.

[@fabricemorfan]

You've got a great father!

[@thecurator2626]

👏🏾 for a decent dad

[@schondra1993]

You have a great Daddy! It's great that he was so open with you guys.

[@agsweetener10]

what happened to women having control over their bodies?

[@leticiamuratalla]

Don’t confuse caring with borderline abuse!-

[@LaniiPanda]

I’m so proud of everybody in the comments speaking up against this utter bull. I hope the ladies of The Real read all of this and realize that they’re wrong and wasted an opportunity to speak up against something so misogynistic and controlling.

[@nay9702]

I’m sorry but this is a NO for me dawg. The only thing this is doing is potentially making her more sneaky. Overprotective parents don’t do anything but drive their kids to rebel. Not to mention there is no actual way to tell if someone is a virgin. The hymen is a membrane that doesn’t even break it stretches. Children are going to grow up, your babies become adults who do adult things. The quicker some come to this realization the better on the relationship.

[@lanenamariquita1965]

Danasia A living in a household of controlling overprotective parents creates nothing but secrecy. Everything I do is behind their backs, am I proud of it no but I know it’s the only way I can live a little. I understand they do it because the care but my issue is they don’t keep the same energy with my brothers and that drive me to rebel more. Can’t speak for every household but Hispanic households can be very toxic with their views and especially with Masculinity.

[@jolenek7622]

@Ruru Home even the African families. Gosh they're just as toxic

[@angelmclaughlin9189]

@@lanenamariquita1965 same girl 😪

[@uwaseee]

Ah everytime the ladies internalized misogyny gets out, i am just disgusted.

[@acidicascetic]

SO TRUE. And there's so much of it with these ladies especially!

[@ashleyh2578]

YES. especially when it comes cloaked in love, religion, or morality 🙄🙄🙄🤮🤮

[@acidicascetic]

Ashley H spot on Ashley.

[@uwaseee]

@@ashleyh2578 Girrrrllll

[@danielle7127]

If I could like this a thousand times...

[@TT-sp8xg]

I don’t know if Jeannie or Adrienne has lost their damn mind but I’ll be sure to help them find it.

[@screenaddict1673]

An all women’s show supporting a man’s decision to violate his 18 year old daughter’s sexual privacy. Something’s not right.

[@BATOOLESK]

they do nothing but praise men specially miss adrienne

[@blakecoston1831]

Agree she 18. Got to step back now. Trust you raise her right

[@leahomonya]

They spent too much time focusing on TI and how much he “cared” and no time at all considering what it would have been like for his daughter, in the stirrups, going through such a pointless invasive procedure. She clearly was not able to say no in this situation. You could argue that this is assault.

[@diomondcandie06]

Leah Omonya right, I can’t believe he had her going to the gyno so young! Most women don’t start going until they’re 18 or in their 20s. So uncomfortable.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Leah Omonya thank you but at the same time I’m kinda glad they shifted the focus away from her because the poor girl did not ask or wanted this attention on her but got it because of her controlling father shout it for the world

[@ashleyh2578]

Yes! 🙌

[@Amanda-be7eq]

1:31 "Even if it's a little crazy" Jeannie needs to shut up. I'm so disappointed wow.

[@leabee128]

They should’ve had Amanda Seales up there for this topic. She would’ve shut this down.

[@daniaa1602]

factsss

[@sonyvalencia]

Yes, honestly I realized today that she grew on me when I wanted her opinion on this subject. I also think she would of had more common sense with a topic like this no sugar coating.

[@sonrisaverdean757]

factsss

[@valeriasandoval6137]

Yes lol the one time we need her she isn’t there.

[@little1intheuk]

haha I said the same

[@aliyyahjackson]

Jeanie really used this situation as an excuse to applaud fathers “that care.” THE BAR IS LITERALLY IN HELL

[@anasalcido2604]

Soo dissapointed with Jeannie and Adrian in this conversation. I felt like none of them took it seriously.

[@daniellew544]

Ewww they are saying “oh he cares” “it’s so hard to be a father to a girl” like wth. Are y’all serious. That’s gross. That isn’t showing he cares stop accepting this type of behavior!

[@bookshelves4137]

Danielle W exactly..... I just can’t get over the fact that they think that way😟

[@technoyaoidream]

They set the bar for fathers so low by saying that.

[@eileygrace1999]

It’s abuse. He doesn’t care, he controls.

[@kavaniawilson860]

I dont think its gross because Im sure he was nt all in her vagina. He just took her to the doctor and the doctor told him her hymen was still in tact. It was a bit much but I think he does care. He doesnt want his girls to be a statistic and end up pregnant. In todays society we know if she ended up pregnant she will be the one taking all the responsibility. It happens everyday . Fathers do a little here and there and the woman is the one struggling to raise the child. He doesnt want her to just be a bm to somebody like her mother is to him. He has 7 kids and 3 bm( his wife, his sons mom and her mom).

[@TheAdriannag323]

@@kavaniawilson860 ummm there is a thing called birth control

[@amy-jadecarter9011]

Jeanie and Adrienne should take the L train along with t.i for this segment

[@joba3234]

*AND I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A TOPIC TO JOKE ABOUT*

[@nolwazi6517]

His being controlling and extremely invasive. That’s it

[@nickeyanntionette5464]

I think we need to raise our girls with an understanding that their body belongs to them period.

[@mileyrox0904]

Are they really trying to spin this into him being a caring parent???

[@tamtamr9081]

if he didnt care, he wouldnt do it. hes just showing his care in the wrong way perhaps.

[@doraxy9825]

@@tamtamr9081 He doesn't care about her health ,he cares about her staying pure,thats the difference

[@Ad.g209]

IM OVER HERE SCREAMING THAT this is awful

[@sashadimetries1258]

I had it done to me when I was a teenager, and I was still a virgin. I felt embarrassed and humiliated. The fact that no one but myself saw my private area and there goes this stranger (make matters worse, it was a male Dr) looking at my private is a feeling that I will never forget. That left a scar of low self-worth in me for a long time. Smh. I feel for her. The fact that this is all in public is even worse. I can't imagine what she is going through.

[@thecurator2626]

So sad this happened to you. I hope you've been able to heal.

[@candlecane]

Oh no. So sorry you went through this.

[@sashadimetries1258]

Hi everyone, thank you for your sympathy. I wish this was a happier comment or even subject. I have had some healing done in my journey through Our heavenly father and Christ Jesus. ❤️ I'm putting her in my prayer.

[@ladycaticorn2950]

I'm so sorry you were violated. I'm sending hugs your way. Thanks for sharing your story. People need to know how violating and invasive this is. T.I. is sick for doing this to his daughter.

[@latoyajohnson8695]

Sasha Dimetries the public humiliation of it all it’s just horrible and kudos to her for unfollowing her creep of a father

[@Quinnfos]

I’m glad Tamera stood her ground PERIODT!

[@mommabear1417]

I can't believe that this panel of ladies condone this, but then again most of them don't have kids.

[@taylorlaunterlover12]

Dang, Wendy had a more sensible reply to this topic. I was actually shocked with Jennie and Adre. replies.

[@cityofsnow]

I feel like they are still making fun of the situation. Im so disgusted with the way they handled this topic, like the poor girl hasn’t been humiliated enough!

[@olivasalome706]

"I can only imagine how hard that is for a father" Adrienne I love you but smh🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ I can only imagine how hard it is for HER to not even have control over her own body as an adult

[@ellebasi1988]

They are horrifying me just as much as t.i at the minute. I don’t care what age. Unless you are afraid your child is in danger or at risk. This is past the bounds of overbearing. It’s almost criminal.

[@ellebasi1988]

Also what is it about America that acts like sex is the biggest thing in the world and the thing you need to protect from most. Wise up.

[@Christian80806]

The double standard and hypocrisy and the agreement in it is astounding. This is gross!!!!

[@Cerucir]

There is literally no reason that T.I needed to have his teenage daughter's hymen checked. This was not about her health (pap smear, cervical exam etc), this was about her sexuality - and that's what makes it so weird and messed up. The panel is going on about "he cares as a father" crap, if T.I had a concern about his daughter's sexual activity, why couldn't he have had "the talk" with her??? Tell her about what kinds of guys are out there, how to protect herself, how to conduct herself, what his concerns or expectations are. Not literally have her body physically checked -- and being coerced into it. No one is saying that a parent can't want to protect their children - but what T.I did is gross. It's not protection, it's invasive. Even after being told that the hymen does not indicate anything about sexual activity, this man still wanted the procedure done. Just sick and weird. I just feel for Deyjah.

[@mercedesgonzalez687]

So TI wants to protect his daughter from men like himself?? I would feel so violated if my father even asked me about my hymen... YUKKK

[@jasminebanks5339]

Where is Amanda seals when we need her 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@tahsia1]

Yes! I trust she would've done justice to this topic.

[@kathycookie15]

No one wants her ghetto ass on the show.

[@TheKeriP]

THIS WAS MY THOUGHTTTTT

[@juwenarmando5760]

Jasmine Banks OMG Yess lol

[@francesbatchelor8454]

YES!

[@Parisbella219]

I did not expect them to praise and mistake a disgusting behavior for “caring”. Are they friends with him? Because they seemed like they didn’t want to burn a bridge

[@kayleen8037]

I’m I think they’re friends with his wife

[@Parisbella219]

kayleen su'e they have to be because I just can’t see why they would agree. Tamera seems like the only one who doesn’t agree but doesn’t want to argue.

[@MsMeGUka]

Absolutly i'm not from usa so i don't know the gossip but i'm sure thats true. They had to discuass the subject because of how much backlash it caused online so that they would have large emount of views. But they couldn't say the truth for some stupid reason. Disrespectfull to the audience.

[@joellemudiay4639]

Yes Jeanie's new man is bestfriend with TI 🙄

[@MsMeGUka]

@@joellemudiay4639 shame on her.

[@nma_25]

The lack of empathy in actually addressing this topic is beyond me. Well, Tamera tried her best. The rest....

[@naomi.105]

I genuinely can’t fathom how anyone would think this was ok. This is so damaging!! His daughter is going to need some serious therapy!