Pass or Fail: Command Starter 9th Edition 40k Unboxing & Build

[@thump3r]

i never played this game before and i wanted to start painting with my wife and playing with my friends. so i pre-ordered this.

[@jeffs.morton6063]

You made a great call. I'm a veteran 40k player who hasn't played for over 12 years and I'm getting back into the hobby. This box has opposing forces, terrain and a mini rulebook...which if I'm not mistaken, will only be missing all the (beautiful) artwork and won't be missing any rules - the full book is $70. Throw in the awesome terrain and this is just a super cool kit and a great value. The only other spend will be on paints and modelling supplies - so budget anywhere from $45 to $80 more, and you're golden. Enjoy!!!

[@brandonguthrie8122]

Thump3r22 great value :) hope you enjoy your new hobby

[@mkulchar]

I want to start also just the painting is so intimidating. Which pushes me away.

[@gadget19k76]

Matthew Kulchar there are some great tutorial videos on Warhammer TV that can help you get started, you don’t have to go crazy with the details on the minis to get them ready for the table. Just a base coat of your preferred color and a few detail colors and you can play. As you become more comfortable with your painting skills you can always go back and add more detail, weathering, decals and basing. I don’t think most players are going to have a problem with a basic paint job as you are just starting out. My very first game was back in 3rd edition and my opponent had just barely built and primed his minis with a few having some base painting done. If there is a Warhammer store near you they do offer painting classes when Covid isn’t a factor. GW also released today some introductory painting sets, one for space marines with 3 figures, 6 paint colors and a basic paint brush, all you need is primer and you are good to go.

[@combatwombat2134]

Welcome to the hobby, man! Really hope you enjoy it! 💪

[@BastiT87]

Jo would need four of the boards for 44 x 60

[@LordGuntharUthMatar]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@miniaturefun-guy]

Yeah that confused me as well. Two would be enough for a 1000 point game.

[@danwilkinson5239]

I just got this and the amount of minis in it is underwhelming to say the least. Terrain is good and I like the mini rule book. Pity all the rules are basically redundant as we are what 5 faqs in already and it literally just came out.

[@tannerh6857]

I think I preferred the 8th edition versions more. If these were just a little cheaper it would be much better.

[@amn1088]

I like how Rob put it. This is probably the best set ever for people getting started. Starting without terrain is kinda crappy and doesn't really present the whole game very well. Yes you get a lot of models, but very few people go out and buy or make decent terrain early so it coming in the starter set is a must. I got 6 containers from the kill team set when I start in February and we still slam those down every game because they are so useful. 8th is no doubt better if you don't need terrain, but I would say by far this is the best set for new people hands down.

[@JamesSerapio]

@@amn1088 terrain could have been done in cardboard. More minis is always best for a war game. Two units is hardly enough to get a feel for the game.

[@JohnnyLeyenda]

While I did like Dark Imperium better as far as the units go, having an option for terrain in a starter is great (as well as the fact they made it its separate box and not exclusive to this one too)

[@sackofpeas2470]

Except the value of this box is severely lacking. That's terrain for 1/4 of a board, with not enough play space for both armies to do much but sit still and shoot each other. You can get a tables worth of terrain for under $50 with TTCombat or spend around $80 for two Pegasus kits and some scatter from EnderToys. You'll be spending around that just to get these armies up to 500pts, and a fair amount more just to hit 1000pts.

[@JohnnyLeyenda]

@@sackofpeas2470 It is a starter set. It's meant to get your feet wet with the game's features, not give you a table-worth of terrain right off the bat. A box's worth is relatively subjective, especially if you're not the target audience.

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

I want that terrain!!! I want the Mini Rulebook! I missed out on the pre-orders but got Indomitus at a local GW. So I'm set for the mini's.

[@johnashley-smith4987]

Thanks for this reveiw. This box will likely be 200 bucks in Canada, but would be a good starter with the terrain. I wasn't sure about those bikes but seeing them in this reveiw helped me warm to them. I always wanted to get a smallish Necrons force for skirmish sized games and this provides plenty for me. Since I haven't bought a starter box since 3rd edition, I think this will be fun. Thanks again!

[@Jux925]

I like that I can disassemble the terrain buildings and put it in a box -- something I've always looked for

[@The_Wizard_Zoo]

Great starter set. -numerous models -GW terrain -cheap for GW -Maintains resell value.

[@PheonixKnght]

Dicehead is out i drove by and bought the last one a few hours ago minutes before they closed. I hope they get more they are great guys there.

[@Mr.Goufball]

I’m probably gonna pick this up for the transfers.

[@sirmerl1n770]

Warhammer box art is just elite, like there isn’t a time I’ve looked at a GW box and gone.... that’s f****** cool

[@NathanLazyBear]

Mini Rule Book, this is fantastic value. Terrain is always wanted, this set is going to be great and I definitely plan on getting one eventually, thanks for sharing

[@MollymaukT]

Indeed, initally I was skeptical cause I thought it had all the content of the big book, including the fluff, with a cheap cover. But seeing it now, is actually quite a handy thing to have

[@jaimeshickman-hymers2499]

GW:makes innovative terrain Spikey Bits: L E G O S E T

[@spikeybitstv]

it was fun

[@ChampionofTerra]

this terrain reminds me of my childhood, when I bought Russian miniatures "Tehnolog", that had this kind of push fit terrain inside the box.

[@terrormask2475]

Champion of Terra Yea, wish it was as affordable as "Tehnolog" stuff :)

[@ChampionofTerra]

@@terrormask2475 Indeed )

[@darkswords147]

With this you can have a patrol detatchment or outrider detatchment in your combat patrol battleforge army since they're HQ TROOP FAST ATTACK units which is good for its price cause if you want to go deeper into the game you're gonna spend a couple hundred more dollars to build bigger armies/detatchments.

[@SeeSebastian]

Bro u kinda look like Tintin but in a good way

[@WanderingCelts]

Tintin tough, with a cool dog.

[@narceron360]

I'm with basti, at 5:29 you say you'd only need two...but you'd need four. I keep hearing people say this.

[@spikeybitstv]

Correct I was making the common mistake. thanks for heads up.

[@felippejonsson6078]

Me and my wife is starting with 40k and thinking of buying one of these boxes plus the recruit edition.

[@jeffs.morton6063]

Do it - but unless you're already into tabletop gaming and have paints and modelling supplies, I would hold off on the recruit and put the money towards paints and stuff. This kit appears to have all you will need to learn the mechanics and have some fun games for a good while. Enjoy!!!

[@felippejonsson6078]

@@jeffs.morton6063 Good tip. Ive got some hobby supplies but not enough. I havent played 40k since 4th edition.

[@blackheavymetalman]

for a starter set they should include tool such as paint and brushes if someone is completely new they probably dont have those.

[@GarrettSzilard]

I don't like the part of assembling or painting. Do they have sets ready to go for playing?

[@arturkeen8055]

So, you don’t need to use glue in this set?

[@williamamely7038]

In my opinion, the Captain model is arguably the best one of their whole Space Marine line. Can be purchased on eBay for far less than GW would charge. Kudos to GW for their entire Indomitus Primaris line.

[@Perram]

If I already have Indomindous, would this be worth picking up to supplement it?

[@danielaguirre5949]

Command starter set should have had more units to make the price worth it. It's literally just the Elite starter box and the terrain board set together at a small discounted price. Not worth it honestly.

[@Philtopy]

dont forget the softcover rulebook

[@Andreus9733]

I still think 8 ed starters was better. Both "Know no Fear" and "Dark Imperium". More models and full hardcover corebook. Some would say that softcover rules are easier to transport, but why would new players transport their stuff if they don't yet have an army? And instead of an army they have terrain, which clubs have plenty of. Why? You can use books or mugs for your first games, why would you ever need terrain features? It would be better to have more units to make your first games more interesting, and learn to to play easier. I think both elite and recruit editions are good deals for newcomers. Though if there is any chance you can get Indomitus box for you to start your army - do it.

[@kylekeenan3485]

Not all players play at clubs with full sized armies and terrain. For me I needed terrain and prefer the smaller rule book so the command one was better. If someone didn't need the terrain and rule book, they can save money and get the Elite version which has the same units in it.

[@jaxl2983]

I'm trying to start out myself never played seen lots of Lore got the Guants Ghosts series so I got inspired I dont want anything large and needing a table I want small stuff with Marines and a vs team too

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

I think I'm gonna grab this instead of Indomitus. I really only want either set to build and paint anyway. The terrain in this is undeniably killer.

[@killer_bro_empireitsme3613]

Yea go with it I got the elite One but ima order the command for the core rule book and terrain

[@Tito_Silva]

As a new player, I can confirm that this box is quite a nice addition. Seeing as with this one box I can play with my twin

[@gyrz19]

Looks like a much worse deal than the Indomitus box set even for a new player

[@amn1088]

I mean Indomitus is an insane deal and not something they are keeping in production. Very few things are going to stand up to it for what you got.

[@MrThesmoop]

why does any1 want to buy 50+ things in the beginning all u need is a couple squads or just 1 to see if u really like it

[@unclejoe3338]

Spectre Plays but for $40 more you get much more and the full rule book.

[@terrormask2475]

Spectre Plays To try out various aspects of the game and get a proper start for building an army? These starters are a joke. The recruit one is kind of okay - ish, but still... As a new player I don't want terrain. Not for that price, anyway. What I want is what everyone in the hobby is drawn to: cool looking miniatures, that I can paint and play a fun game with. I can replace the GW terrain easily, but replacing the miniatures is pretty much impossible without ruining the whole experience. No one is drawn to warhammer by friggin terrain. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the whole thing with "no, indomitus is not a REAL starter set" was just a huge scam. New players need a full rule book with lore in it, and they need the miniatures. Rest is easily acquired without paying huge sums of money.

[@br3orbot]

@@terrormask2475 I don't play WH but personally I have almost 0 interest in lore and to me I would lose interest quickly pushing minis around a flat table. The terrain here and mini rule book is a huge sales pitch for me. Plus $165 and I could make most of my money back if I didn't like playing because it's just press fit.

[@nathanmccook133]

To make a 22"x30" board into the 44"x60" board is need 4.....not 2 aka GW cash grab

[@spikeybitstv]

Ah i see it cause two would be only half a table. Good catch thank you.

[@xNolaNerdx]

I’ve never played, but definitely picking this up!!

[@flipnutdodad8841]

My friend is going to split the price of the Recruit edition and we're going to learn how to play first. Then we will paint and decide if we want to do more.

[@Ferox2121]

I think that this is the best box, if one really wants to get into the 40k hobby. Yes, more minis would have been nice, but you get quite a lot of terrain, which you will need anyway. And it is the only one of the three boxes, where you will get the full rules. So i would say: Recruit edition if one just wants to peak into the hobby and Commander if one wants the full experience.

[@jeffs.morton6063]

This - "And it is the only one of the three boxes, where you will get the full rules."

[@sackofpeas2470]

Meh, you get enough terrain for a game on 1/4 of the official board size, which also means the bikes have little room to maneuver. The value is also seriously lacking, as even with the terrain this box is only around $200 value. For the same money, Dark Imperium gave two players armies that both closed in around 1000pts and the monetary value of the box was well over $400. This box set will require far more money to expand than Dark Imperium did.

[@ernstbergerbrent]

This is probably the best option for the money. Granted I spent an additional 250 on paints, brushes, tools, adeptus asartes codex as well as the skitarii set that my son wanted

[@BeardFaceSuper]

2 22x30 put together would be 22x60 or 44x30. You would need 4 to make a 44x60.

[@strongarms86]

Anyone recommend getting a starter set? I picked up the Indomitus set when it launched, I’m just getting into WH and very excited and also lost where to begin 🥴 Thx to any replies

[@sackofpeas2470]

If you've already got Indomitus, there really isn't much use for this set. Unless of course you want an extra unit of all of these. You can get terrain that's just as good for far cheaper or even just make some on your own. If anything, the Elite Box is probably your best bet, as it clocks in under $100 and the estimated price for the troops, destroyers, and bikes is probably around the $150 - $200 range (depending on how GW prices these kits when they get their full releases).

[@giovotek]

Im in the same boat, just starting out and got the indomitus box thinking it was a starter set. Wondering if i should snap up the command box for the terrain. No idea if you additional units will be wasted though or if it worth it now i have indomitus. Bit overwhelming trying to get started.

[@sackofpeas2470]

@@giovotek Indomitus was a starter set and a value far better than the Command Set. If you're looking for terrain, I'd recommend looking at Pegasus Terrain and EnderToys Terrain on Amazon. Pegasus has buildings that are easy to build and take up a good deal of space on a table, while EnderToys has a lot of no assembly required pieces of scatter terrain like broken walls, bunkers, and barricades. However, if you don't mind working with MDF (thin wood that's laser cut), TTCombat is king of value for just starting out. For $40 you can get both the Building and Ruins set, as well as the Ruin Sector set which gives you a big building, 11 ruined building corners (some being two levels), 8 barriers, and two storage containers that you can either stack or separate. That said, they have a whole section on their store for Sci-Fi Gothic terrain, which is basically designed with 40K in mind. They have tons of Imperium style buildings, Ork buildings, Eldar Buildings, and even some Necron styled buildings.

[@giovotek]

@@sackofpeas2470 thank you for the advice i will check out those sites now. Really appreciate you taking the time to share.

[@sackofpeas2470]

@@giovotek No problem. I know that for those just getting into the hobby it's easy to just stick to one ecosystem, but there are tons of hobby companies out there making killer terrain for far cheaper than Warhammer does. I'd also recommend browsing some KZbin channels for DIY terrain, as there's tons of videos out there on how to quickly and easily turn household stuff/trash into terrain for your gaming table.

[@mackdyegames3035]

FAQ's dont make a book obsolete. FAQ's are ONLY for tournament play and ONLY alter a few things in the book. The book is still valid.

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[@KillSwitch80]

$248 from that Amazon link

[@arianares5014]

@Abram Harley Yea, have been watching on flixzone for since march myself =)

[@bubger]

They should've kept indomitus.

[@combatwombat2134]

To be fair, that was an insanely good deal. That is not financially viable in any way. 😂 I'd have loved them too, especially for the assault Intercessors, Eradicators, Outriders, Warriors and Destroyers.

[@Kottery]

The usefulness of this box depends entirely on if the person will be playing at home/a friend's home or if they will be playing at a shop. I personally always play at store which already has tooons of terrain to use so this is an awful box for me and anyone else in a similar situation. On the other hand if you know no one in the hobby and maybe you and your mate/sibling/SO are splitting the box to play together then sure yeah the terrain is going to be good and useful. It's also an alright Kill Team starter box minus...well the Kill Team specific stuff. Nab this box and the KT rules and use your own tokens and such and you've got yourself two usable (but rather boring and requiring some finagling with the Assault Intercessors) kill teams with the Necron Warriors and the Intercessors and probably enough terrain.

[@jeffs.morton6063]

Yep

[@terraxcell]

Part of me is sad as a new player I didn’t wait a few more weeks for these sets. I got Indomitus cause I got sucked into the hype 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Kepora1]

I mean look at the bright side - you scored an Indomitus box!

[@terrormask2475]

And here I am all bummed out because I couldn't get my hands on indomitus box so now the only way for me to start Is to buy these shitty starters. The terrain is sold as a separate kit so you didn't miss out on anything. Don't regret getting indomitus. It was an actual proper starter set, that you can actually start building your armies with.

[@terraxcell]

Terror Mask r u stateside? Cause I’m in NY hobby store by me has about 20 or so more boxes. I thought about getting another one but Idk if I need duplicates on al the troops. I can get a dark imperium box but not sure if that complements the IC box 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@terrormask2475]

terraxcell Nah, I'm in Russia. Local retailers say that all of the indomitus boxes were sold out and there won't be any more. Dark imperium marines are ranged units, so I'm not sure if they would play well with the indomitus ones. But it's cool to have them for variety I guess?

[@terraxcell]

Terror Mask I guess but I’m not gonna build plaguemarines. I was thinking the new starter sets but I don’t need another captain I don’t think. So I’ll probably figure out a good 2000 or team. I’m going with white scars.

[@Gladedancer]

I wouldn't be surprised if the data cards become obsolete with the release of the codicies in October

[@King-ci8sk]

Just so you know if you're new and thinking about picking one of these sets up. The play mat for the 50 dollar box is just a mat. And the "building" is actually just part of the actual box itself. The mat for the 160 dollar set is a hard cardboard mat. Just an FYI

[@tobiworldwide]

Will you be doing that giveaway for the Catachan commander yet?

[@aGentlemanScholar]

The mini rulebook is false advertising. Look at that picture of the box set and look at what gets unboxed. Instead of an a4 size hardback book you get an at size softcover.

[@neptunes9852]

*Spikey Bits* Cool !! keep doing

[@alisterbaker1805]

if your also into crating stuff save some money and build your own terrain and buy the elite edition

[@scottsharp7589]

Pretty sure the mats in the other boxes are paper fold out.

[@aidanmagill6769]

The least interesting Marines and the least interesting Xenos. Must buy!

[@edwardsaunders1925]

I got this for 80 quid

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Snap, happy days about to start a 1st time 40k dive into a new hobby myself after watching some fan films the lore and the model building painting and playing seems super dope

[@edwardsaunders1925]

@@NinjaSquirrel30 it's good but team I use is Chao marines and I play Horus heresy as well which is amazing

[@konkoly5183]

Ehh, that's more of a fail in my opinion. More models instead of terrain would have been more useful. I like GWs terrain but its was too expensive for what it is. I'm glad I was able to grab a box of indominitus the other day off miniature market.

[@28mmRPG]

So he says its the best deal? Does he lie?

[@spikeybitstv]

Everyone lies that is life lol. But that is my honest opinion :)

[@calleandersson1904]

No idea why a new player would want 69 pieces of terrain rather than more models. Just buying the models as they are would be cheaper than this box, which defeats the purpose of a box set unless you just love terrain.

[@TechnoDemon164]

Are the ruins still made in China? Like all other terian is

[@hansdegamegans]

He opened it already because the books where out of the plastic

[@onnohus5059]

holly shit GW has become expensive and even worse if 10 plastic marines are gone cost around 60 dollar, talk about over pricing your stuff

[@letsgobrandon6992]

It sold a lot to veteran players who already have both sides playable with the box and same for indomitus box but if you are someone like me who doesnt have any interest in playing marines then its a pos fuck up and I cant wait for them to sell models seperately

[@DamnEmoKids]

I just bought this for my husband and I to play. We’ve never played but I want to. I also bought some books. I’m going to be painting for weeks with this hahah!! Also please check out my channel. I just started doing some painting videos. Check it out for some tips or just for fun. I’m a noob tho!

[@memesouls8653]

$60 for a set of ten troops of any faction in my opinion such a ridiculous price. I don’t even know how GW pulls these strings. Before it was $50 which is less yes, but still outrageous for ten PLASTIC models. So your telling me that two of these $60 box sets which equals to $120 which is around the same price as a starter box set has the same amount of content as these box sets? Such a prime example of GWs terrible pricing. The Space Marine Vanguard start collecting set which originally costed around $62 for 17 minutes which I would consider one of the better pricing for a starter army like that, has now jumped up to $99. Let that sink in. $99 for 17 minutes which once was $62. This is utterly ridiculous. (Thank the will of the Emperor! Just checked in on the price of the Vanguard box set on Amazon and it was finally reduced to $80 instead of $99. But still $80 is a little bit iffy, but I can’t complain because $80 is definitely better than $99)

[@OrionTheAussie]

Definitely a fail.

[@sehabets]

These entry boxes are still too overpriced for what you get, especially since you still need to spend hundreds of dollars to actually build a playable army.

[@sickelej3620]

Sure, it doesn't claim to be an army in a box though! It comes with rules, two opposing forces, terrain, and boards. If you want to make an army to bring to your local game store or whatever perhaps it isn't the best idea. But for someone just starting out, that wants to play some games with friends or family, I think it's great value and an awesome kit!

[@unclejoe3338]

GET ELITE EDITION OR RECRUIT!

[@jeffs.morton6063]

Unless you're totally new, don't have a gaming store nearby, and want to get friends or family sucked in and hooked by playing.

[@sackofpeas2470]

@@jeffs.morton6063 You can get the elite edition for around $90 online or depending on your FLGS. The $50 - 70 in savings can be spent on other terrain that's far cheaper and/or the paints, clippers, brushes, and primers a total newbie will need.