Pastor vs Atheists at Capitol (Epic)

[@Kevbolafide]

As a Christian, I can say that this atheist was SUPER patient and cooperative with the whole conversation. We pray that that the atheists receive Christ!!

[@GodlessFiend]

Wow, I appreciate that this atheist was super patient as I would be too, there’s no need to pray for them

[@jaytee2716]

@@GodlessFiend I feel for you I really do bcuz you have clearly lost your way.

[@jeffmills8558]

Yes, I noticed that, patient especially for his age

[@God_is_first]

he just tired from his own self my friend) thats y he is so down

[@blumenkraft23]

As an agnostic, I hope the religious zealot learns to curb his ego and start demonstrating some compassion and humility.

[@m.fheagle3286]

Jeff Durbin shows how much homework he’s done, with compassion and humility throughout!

[@BornOnThursday]

I'm amazed he didn't use the _words are just noise_ argument to stop this man from talking.

[@stpaul0859]

Jeff Durbin is practically a liar. He found an old man and then played word games with him. Thinking that gravity will be the same tomorrow as it is today is not the same thing as having faith in a skyman.

[@tcrown3333]

@@stpaul0859 When you believe in the mythology Jeff believes in, you need a few verbal tricks up your sleeve. He hopes it distracts the listener from realising his breathtaking lack of logic. Sadly, the "clever" verbiage goes down well with his fan club.

[@diegosaenz4505]

@@tcrown3333 Can you point out the lack of logic. I read a lot of criticism but nothing of substance. That equivalent to me saying you lack intelligence for not being a believer. All it is a simple insult with no information or logic behind it. So please destroy him and show his poor listeners why we are easily swayed.

[@tcrown3333]

@@diegosaenz4505As another poster stated, Durbin plays word games. The man bombards his target with verbiage containing very little logical content. He trots out some biblical reference as though it were fact, then ridicules and shouts down any response. You ask for examples? Too many to list. Let's put it in broad terms. Anyone who believes the superstitious 'wu wu' Durbin touts as factual doesn't merit consideration. He talks, and even looks like a card carrying member of the Taliban.

[@Rantofthings.]

Dude, This was beautiful, the guy even tho he was blinded he did give u an ear. I'll pray for him.

[@notrebroncos2615]

Even tho the woman didnt.

[@stpaul0859]

Durbin is obviously a troll.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@stpaul0859 What's your basis for saying that Durbin is a troll?

[@stpaul0859]

@@rickdavis2235 he literally trolls unsuspecting people on the streets lol

[@jbreymers8346]

Even the woman as well

[@the_allshow6845]

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan

[@mattverville9227]

Lol nice. Got to love Reagan

[@camarjones8335]

Lol

[@brandonl4663]

@@mattverville9227 classic cares for the fetus up until its born then no one gives a fuck and any support towards it is a waste of taxpayer money

[@CJ-wh3zy]

Ronald Reagan: “Last night, I tell you, to watch that thing on television as I did,” “Yeah,” Richard Nixon interjected. Ronald Reagan: “To see those, those monkeys from those African countries-damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Nixon gave a huge laugh. October 1971

[@michaellee9483]

@@CJ-wh3zy just because a person is wrong about one statement doesn't mean they're wrong about every statement they make. With absolute truth, Reagan can be wrong in one statement (such as the one you quoted), but be right about another statement.

[@lindaholly4918]

At least this guy was listening. Most people don't let you talk, and then they storm off. Praying for their souls.

[@mattvmalone]

Praying has been demonstrably proven to work at the same rate as chance.

[@destinfarr]

Amen!

[@KrisLovesJeff1]

@@mattvmalone prove it

[@trishash79]

@@mattvmalone Unless you show your proof, your comment is useless.

[@mattvmalone]

@@trishash79 I know this will be mind-blowing and sensational for you, but there's this concept out there. It's called *research*. GOOGLE is your friend, Ash.

[@myjesusmysavior1000]

This dude looks lonely and this event gives him some purpose and socialization. I pray for him to feel fulfilled in Jesus.

[@GentlemensAcademy]

Exactly. Ever since the pigeon lady from Home Alone left him, he’s been feeding 🌰 squirrels 🐿 alone to pass the time.

[@conradical41]

So you’re assuming his purpose and social motivations based on his appearance?

[@genesis204]

@@GentlemensAcademy lmao

[@doomguyfaz3recon797]

Then we have another thing in common,alone forever

[@denniscerasoli6209]

He's just an old man we tend to look that way but it doesn't mean it's true. I believe pretty much what Jeff believes but his way of proselytizing and talking down to people in his lofty way will not bring people to Christ. Jeff is an intellectual we're not all blessed that way he uses his intellect in a condescending manner to make his opponent look like a moron he does it in every video. When He says I have all love and respect for you I chuckle the old man may be an atheist but he was the more humble and patient and long suffering of the two. I can't help but feel that Jeff is in it for Jeff the guy's bank account is loaded he had better be careful we can't serve to masters. Didn't Jesus say that the rich man getting into heaven would be like threading a needle with a Camel? This is for Jeff, be very very careful young man with your millions Satan is about like a roaring Lion seeking to devour even the chosen. As I'm typing I'm looking at the column to my right on my computer the entire column is about Jeff giving his righteous view of things. I like 2nd Timothy the 3rd chapter verses 1 through 5, in particular, we can't be too careful with the Utubers and their true motives. People can begin with good motives but sometimes things can evolve into unrighteousness.

[@tommy9303]

Outstanding Pastor Jeff.. Atheism is reduced to absurdity.. This for me pierced my heart thank you. Life apart from Christ is meaningless.

[@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg]

tommy this comment is absurd

[@cameronclark447]

@@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg How did you come to that conclusion?

[@LizaFan]

It's absurd on its face. Most nontheists and 'heathen' theists lead meaningful lives. But you're interested in an atrophied understanding of 'meaning.'

[@MajorPayne175]

Had Tommy been born in Saudi Arabia............"Life apart from Mohammed is meaningless"

[@hannahwillis7391]

It was an honor to meet Pastor Jeff this past Tuesday at the Oklahoma State Capitol, and I am so thankful for Apologias ministry. God has used this ministry to further break my heart and equip me to rescue those from the slaughter in Oklahoma. I pray that SB13 passes.

[@georgemoncayo8313]

I love that Apologia church is friendly to answers in Genesis, and AIG has great books showing why evolution is not real science like "Glass house: shattering the myth of evolution" and "replacing Darwin made simple."

[@gordongraff9727]

Sorry sister can you explain SB 13 I have no idea what that is ,

[@randycadkins]

@residue junkie oh boy 🤦‍♂️ where have you been learning this obviously false information?

[@KrisLovesJeff1]

@residue junkie do i want proof that my Bible has been changed in any way? Sure, please feel free to use any of the original languages in which it was written from....

[@nathanweisser]

What the heck Hannah, didn't expect to encounter you in KZbin Comments hahaha

[@howell100]

I absolutely love Jeff’s ability to chip away while building up in any conversation. It’s like a good father doing fathering the proper way.

[@Reeseballin8]

Jeff put this man in an absolute philosophical pretzel, praise God.

[@rdy2run332]

Yes he did.

[@Reeseballin8]

rdy2 run 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@1kings18apologetics6]

Just out of curiosity, how many people do you suppose are converted (the TRUE CHRISTIAN™ kind) via presuppostional apologetics? And why do these presuppostional apologists like Jeff spend so little time addressing the Bible itself when interacting with unbelievers?

[@rdy2run332]

@nickj14711 here is some credible evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWKqenSuo6qirLM

[@1kings18apologetics6]

@nickj14711 I apostacized as a direct result of studying presuppositional apologetics. And I was a firm 1689 James White acolyte!

[@elsablue3646]

I see so much sadness in the mans eyes its heartbreaking. I know that Gods word will a accomplish what it is meant to. God bless you Jeff!

[@racheldoula]

I saw that too. He's at the end of his life, trying to make his life have purpose and feel meaningful, but if we are all bags of meat, it's all meaningless.

[@elsablue3646]

@@racheldoula yes and hell would be a horrible reality for him let's pray !

[@silv3rbl4d3s1]

@@elsablue3646 Amen, how beautiful would it be to see him in heaven with us. God is truly capable of opening his eyes!

[@elsablue3646]

@@silv3rbl4d3s1 amen ! Let's agree on it in Jesus holy name!

[@gavin_hill]

@@silv3rbl4d3s1 Praise God brothers

[@letscarryit]

Jeff is such a humble beast for Christ . I love how he gives hard truths but with gentleness and love . #Apologia

[@AldousHuxley7]

Baron Klaif beast is satanic servant is heavenly.

[@jeremymcneill7111]

Humble...?!?!? Really? Humble? Lolololol🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg]

Definitely not humble

[@Ronin42069]

Humble 🤮🤮🤮

[@Ronin42069]

www.atheist-experience.com/

[@benjaminmunk9466]

Truly epic. Love Jeff’s calm demeanor. When you have truth on your side, it’s hard to get frustrated.

[@tetsuyohasakirashishiwakam2218]

Pinecreek frustrated Jeff durbin.

[@matthewmanucci]

Lol. That woman tried for 18 full minutes to get into the argument and when Jeff decided to finally let her in she immediately starts repeating “I’m not talking to you!” 😂

[@NB-ky5ol]

Matt Mannucci That’s because she has no argument for her beliefs. She turned from God out of anger and denounced them. There’s no foundation in that. She knows the truth deep down inside.

[@chad6504]

Of course she won't. She'd be exposed to her failed logic and reasoning of her worldview in about 2.2 seconds. Watching Jeff disassemble atheism is amusing. This coming from a fully recovered college indoctrinated atheist and now fully committed Jesus freak.

[@LetsGo-ik7zm]

😂😂😂😂 that was gold

[@gladiator8325]

you could tell she was lost throughout the conversation but I cant say that I wasnt a little lost in the atheist logic or non-logic either.

[@mareksumguy1887]

These morons are insufferable.

[@NB-ky5ol]

He refuses to use the word “believe” but proceeds to use every synonym.

[@myjesusmysavior1000]

Yeah! Talk about "word games."

[@AldousHuxley7]

Oh hes a man of faith alright. Faith in the science of fallible men.

[@OpenDebate365]

I so was thinking the same thing, lol. I equated his response to that of the Jehovah Witness. They say their organization is not "inspired," but yet they use every synonym of the word "inspired" to describe their organization. SMH.

[@kevinbrown9751]

an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists - the definition of belief.

[@jesusislord7526]

lol

[@spartacusantipas4580]

Way to go brother Jeff, thank you for sharing and teaching us how to demolish that empty philosophy. I pray that the old man and the woman repent and cry out to Christ to save them.

[@spartacusantipas4580]

@NY UK You obviously have not fully grasped the spiritual principal of defending the faith. (Apologia) . "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." (2 Cor 10:3-6 )" By destroying their false foundation, The Spirit uses Jeff's witness to force them to face their error and open rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ so that "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:20-22). GOD BLESS

[@spartacusantipas4580]

@NY UK If you have spent years in debate against many cults and myriads of atheists THEN keep doing that THE WAY THE LORD LEADS YOU and I will as MANY OTHERS will do it the WAY THE LORD LEADS. You are arguing against the wrong side. Spent your energy fighting Evil and stop whining about "your way" of doing it being "the way". I agreed with Jeff's approach, You Don't, OK...You do you then. "Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door." (Jas 5:9)

[@panga_latrice]

Amen🙏🏿

[@1objective688]

Absolutely nailed it brother!

[@davidw.4524]

That lady was shocked beyond belief. I'm sure this touched her deeply.

[@joe_tiger]

Outrageous 20 I’m sure Jeff rattled her faith.

[@destinfarr]

@Clear Sky News Agreed. This type of individual will go down with the sinking ship even if proven wrong. Their pride and ego are too valuable. Unless a miracle occurs - and we all know Christ is well capable. We're miracles ourselves. :)

[@Stansbrokenhandle]

@@destinfarr The miracle here, if I may use the term very loosely, is that people still think such a thing exists.

[@pazuzil]

shes shocked at Jeff's moronic assertions

[@destinfarr]

@@Stansbrokenhandle Yet, here you are - watching, reading, commenting. I pray that you discover truth on your search. God bless. Jesus loves you.

[@grangerousdesigns4678]

Its saddens me when I see men older in age and after speaking with them, I have to come to grips with the fact they have lived an entire lifetime and never recognized wisdom when it was presented in their lives.Very very sad.

[@stpaul0859]

um, I feel bad for people who believe in sky fairies.

[@rickdavis2235]

@Center Masster "Religious wisdom isn't the only type of wisdom." How do you know that to be true when the bible says: Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom: out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@stpaul0859 "um, I feel bad for people who believe in sky fairies." um, I feel bad for people who believe everything came from nothing when their world view cannot even meet the preconditons for intelligibility.

[@stpaul0859]

@@rickdavis2235 you are the only one that claims anything came from nothing.

[@childofthelivinggod.]

@@stpaul0859 yo chill and respect people's religion. No one is coming for you like that.

[@BrotherToby85]

That lady "thought" she was ready for that smoke, BUT... the lie detector determined that that was a lie, lol🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯

[@mikesoja]

Looll she heard the argument and took the bench as a cheerleader 🤣

[@SnapSuplexSeanVA]

“For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@SnapSuplexSeanVA]

nickj14711 hey brother. To answer your question, we need to be saved from God’s wrath. One day you will die, same with me. That verse I posted is scary and hopeful at the same time. I pray that you turn to Jesus and follow him, not people who have let you down past who claimed to be Christians. He took all of God’s wrath so you won’t have to. Peace to you, friend..

[@SnapSuplexSeanVA]

nickj14711 Those are really long responses on a tiny phone screen. Shouts out to you man for taking the time to write all that! Haha. Yes, we have evidence of God. He walked the earth 2,000 years ago. The resurrection happened my man. Jesus is alive. I was not indoctrinated. I was saved by grace through faith in Christ alone. Love you, bro! Have a good one!

[@John-xf7ft]

Sean Can Slam “For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” Romans 1:25

[@SnapSuplexSeanVA]

nickj14711 We have truth. It’s all around us. You for example, are made in the image of God. However, debating over a KZbin comment section isn’t going to get anywhere. But if you’d like I can give you my info so we can have an a good discussion. I’d love that.

[@SnapSuplexSeanVA]

Jesus Christ is Lord Amen, Friend.

[@jessemetzger1154]

The atheistic worldview is laughable. There is no word play by Pastor Durbin, just pure fact. When you take the Triune God out of the picture, you are left with absolute absurdity.

[@Stansbrokenhandle]

Now THAT is funny, er I mean laughable.

[@bryanbandela]

@six hundred and sixty six You say "prove God exist *then we can talk*"...can we first get a proof that you gon stick to your words?

[@kanenas9111]

So the old neighbor from “Home Alone” is still alive and an Atheist? Who knew?!?

[@gavin_hill]

@Kan_Enas I see the resemblance but that man went to church, remember!

[@ObadiahWanderer]

LOL

[@mattvmalone]

@@gavin_hill Atheists can go to church.

[@timsharpe6652]

Just because one goes to church doesn't make one a Christian . That is so weak lol 😉

[@timsharpe6652]

@kan let's not be rude just because your thirsty for attention

[@Patsrthebest]

It may sound like Jeff is just being a pest by questioning everything he says but it does a good job at pointing out that if you attempt to replace Christianity with atheism you have to answer a lot of questions that Christians answered a long time ago and that our whole civilization was built on. Great video.

[@stpaul0859]

No you do not have to answer any questions. Atheism is not a claim to knowledge. It is the theist who has to answer questions because they claim to have the answers.

[@Justforthefifteen]

@@stpaul0859 oh here we go! The good old “the burden of proof is not on me but on you” argument. And yet atheists invest quite a bit of resources to let us know we believe in unicorns. If believers are really that crazy then what’s you worry? You certainly spend too much time trying to debunk something that doesn’t exist. And at the same time what are you telling me is that somehow you are so smart and special than billions of people.

[@stpaul0859]

@@Justforthefifteen No, actually what I am telling you is that I am not special and I am not smart. It is not a job of an atheist to prove that something is not real. We simply do not believe god is real because there is no good reason to do so. The burden of proof is always on the person who makes the positive claim.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@stpaul0859 Atheism is a world view and when someone claims "No God", then they have the burden of proof. I know you'll disagree but they are making a truth claim when they say there is no God so they better be able to back it up with some evidence.

[@stpaul0859]

@@rickdavis2235 nope. 100% wrong. Atheism is not a world view. Atheism is not a claim to knowledge. Atheist simply do not BELIEVE in god. That is not a truth claim and I do not need to prove that god is not real. I simply believe he is not. try again buddy

[@factenter6787]

Jeff Durbin: Dazzling display of logic and reason backed by research and literacy. Atheists: Error 404 Not Responding

[@Ronin42069]

This theists doesn’t know what atheists thinks because he refuses to actually listen. He asks questions then cuts the old man off just to tell the guy what he “really” thinks. Why ask if your not interested in what he actually has to say? I’ve heard you theists say many times “god gave you two ears and one month for a reason.” Take this advice.

[@Ronin42069]

factenter put your money where your mouth is call tomorrow. www.atheist-experience.com/

[@GentlemensAcademy]

ID10T error

[@andrewaaboe3418]

Are you high? I never heard any logic and reason coming from Jeff Durbin. All I heard is presuppositional apologetics. Science works regardless of philosophical world view. We see through practical experience that science via the scientific method is the best tool humans have to understand the world around us. It's not our fault that most of you YEC believe dinosaurs were on the ark, humans are only like 6000 years old, and that the earth is only 10,000 years old...which contradicts science worldwide. This circular argument is pointless. IMO the atheist should just walk away because you can't reason with the unreasonable, anti science deniers.

[@gzoro8645]

@@andrewaaboe3418 And you believe we came from nothing lol by random chance through natural processes and that natural laws wrote themselves lol.

[@nathanfairrow3774]

Watching Jeff do this NEVER gets old. Love this. Thanks

[@aplace5791]

*explains meaning of word* “He’s playing word games here” 😑

[@Toadzx]

To be fair he kinda was playing word games. But the guy asked for it when he refused to use the word belief.

[@joe_tiger]

It’s not a word game, when you have a correct understanding of the meaning of the word “faith.” Faith is solid, not blind.

[@SPARTANSIX-1]

Exactly. The atheist who doesn’t like the word believe uses belief every time he sits in a chair that he believes will support his weight. They claimed Jeff was playing word games but it is really them.

[@gavin_hill]

@@SPARTANSIX-1 Exactly a statement like "I have no beliefs" Is a belief statement... otherwise the man would need to claim absolute knowledge. The folly can be demonstrated with "do you believe that?"

[@trishash79]

@@Toadzx expectation [ˌekspekˈtāSH(ə)n] NOUN "a strong BELIEF that something will happen or be the case in the future." I guess I'm playing word games too?

[@wwfera00]

I felt like the lady next to him was like "dang this Christian guy is smarter than I thought, have no idea what he's talking about" 😅

[@inlonging]

Jehan Martinez “I wasn’t talking to you”

[@1kings18apologetics6]

That's actually more of a burden on the Christian than you may realize. If Yahweh exists and he wants us to spread his message by human messengers, I would expect him to enable the human messengers to be able to communicate at a level the listener can understand. After all, the whole Bible and Jesus himself are supposedly examples of Yahweh condescending to man, and not the man ascending to Yahweh.

[@gordongraff9727]

I’m like that lady lol I have no idea ,all I understood was fish and bacteria God bless you Jeff and your ministry

[@carpejkdiem]

@@1kings18apologetics6 Yet atheists were led to believe they are to intelligent or in order to be deemed intelligent they must deny reject rebel against GOD/YAHUAH/YAHUSHUA & believe in a CREATOR MOST HIGH GOD/YAHUAH/YAHUSHUA. Hmmm no the burden is on the Atheist to understand reason and logic as they claim & step up to the plate and not use excuses for their lack of ability to fully comprehend what's actually being said by any Christians they deem themselves superior in intellect to.

[@carpejkdiem]

@@1kings18apologetics6 He does exist. You can't create the narrative. It is what it is. Creation has a CREATOR. You can set expectations to justify your lack of ability to comprehend so you can argue no valid points, or you can quit making excuses and use that dome and lower your expectations to baseline reality.

[@fandude7]

Bravo Pastor Jeff. Those two at the end will be thinking about this conversation for a very long time. It will burrow into their souls. Seeds planted.

[@ThunderRambler]

Pastor Jeff has a gift. What a great God we have!

[@joshuahart5344]

Wow... Thank you Apologia. This is deeply edifying and encouraging. God bless you Give em Christ

[@ryanlundgren]

This is probably the MOST epic creation debate I’ve ever watched. From you or anyone. You took them on a complete adventure through truth logic and reason while also showing them the beauty of the gospel but also exposed their contractions and how ridiculous their foundation in 15 minutes. Once that foundation was obliterated by logic and reason they checked out, which is sad.

[@mytuber81]

My brotha in Christ Jeff is at is again, DESTROYING arguments and preaching the good news, I LOVE IT!!

[@easternmcg]

Ok, this is epic

[@dpgedward5947]

Apart from his belief in the trinity

[@Thankful305]

I know right!!?

[@Itsmebro-cq3qn]

@@dpgedward5947 ?

[@mattverville9227]

@@Itsmebro-cq3qn hes a Unitarian I'm guessing? Lol

[@martinbojaj3147]

@@dpgedward5947 what about it? The Trinity is right

[@op14435]

So powerful!!!! Glory to Jesus Christ! Enjoyed watching this! Turn to Christ and live! Hallelujah!!

[@SeanR.L]

Man like Jeff Durbin on🔥🔥🔥 Praise Jesus!

[@Ronin42069]

www.atheist-experience.com/

[@SeanR.L]

@@Ronin42069 No thanks. Atheism is foolishness.

[@justinbond9467]

It’s sad that this always ends in anger from the other side. You’re doing your job very well though Jeff. We aren’t called to save people, but to fulfill the great commission 👍🏽

[@patpawlowski7635]

Justin Bond it’s understandable when the bearded guy has to defend himself against a bully pastor who is straw manning him.

[@thebestyoutubecommentever4133]

@@patpawlowski7635 Point out the straw man please.

[@patpawlowski7635]

Emo Peter Parker every time the pastor claims the main rejects science

[@thebestyoutubecommentever4133]

@@patpawlowski7635 Well when you have the bearded guy claiming humans create laws of logic in our minds and they're not absolute, only to ultimately contradict that over and over, I'd say it was completely accurate to say he had rejected science.

[@thebestyoutubecommentever4133]

@@patpawlowski7635 Just because the man doesnt admit to rejecting science, that doesn't mean its a straw man to say he does, especially when his worldview reflects that he does.

[@joebartholomew82]

I love how materialistic atheists try to argue ethics and morals. It will always fail.

[@mattvmalone]

lol, no.

[@d12zrk]

This is probably coming from a Christian person who smokes weed and drinks alcohol and says only my God can judge me type of person because there is a shit ton of you out there...lol.

[@rickdavis2235]

As a humanist, you believe that every human being is to be treated with dignity, that people’s rights not be trampled upon, that we not oppress people, that we share our goods and our power with others and not exploit them. But how do we prove that? Not only is this a set of beliefs, but those beliefs take more faith to believe. If you are a Hindu, you believe that the world is such that you will get off the cycle of reincarnation and go into eternal bliss if you live a good life but, if you don’t live a good life, you keep getting reincarnated. If you believe the bible, like an Orthodox Jew or a Christian believer, you believe that God made the world, a loving God made the world and you should love your neighbor so that you’re like God, you can know him and be saved. In other words, to live a good life of humanistic values fits in with the Hindu view of what the universe is like and it fits in with the Christian view or Jewish view of what the universe is like. What is the secular view of the world? It’s called a materialist view which says there is no supernatural. There’s only natural. There’s no soul, there’s no heaven, it’s just everything has a natural cause. To illustrate the problem with that, or the amount of faith it takes that humanistic values with that view of the world, this is from a letter to the NY Times. "There are 30,000 galaxies of over 13 billion years old with many trillions of stars and many, many more trillions of inferred planets so, how significant are you? You are not special. You’re just another piece of decaying matter on the compost pile of this world. Nothing of what you are and what you do in the short time you are here will ever matter. Everything short of that realization is vanity. SO! Celebrate life! In every moment, admire its wonders and love people without reservation.” Now, the word, SO, most of us think the word SO means “this logically leads to that”. Most think that the word, SO, takes whatever comes before the word, SO, and logically leads us to what come after it. The first part of that statement is a bracing, wonderfully honest look at what it means to believe in a materialist universe. You’re not here for any purpose, no one put you here, you came up through evolution, red and tooth and claw (the strong eating the weak). You are only here because our ancestors killed weaker organisms and, eventually in the end, you are going to die, the sun is going to die and civilization is going to die. Whether you were a genocidal maniac, an altruist or philanthropist will make no difference in the end and since nothing we do now will matter, therefore, the writer says to love one another. Here’s the question: If that’s the case of the nature of the universe, why should I love other people? If my ancestors got here by destroying and eating the weaker organisms, why should I now suddenly become unselfish. The answer to that questions is this. If you want to believe in humanistic values-it doesn’t follow from your view of the universe at all. It’s an unbelievably HUGE LEAP OF FAITH. It doesn’t take huge faith to go from the Hindu view of the universe to humanistic values, or from the Christian view of the universe to go to humanistic values but it does from a materialistic, secular view to humanistic values. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, “If you say I’m an atheist, and then you say but we should not starve the poor and we should honor their equal rights, you’re still a Christian, whether you admit it or not because those ideas came historically into the Western society when people believed in the Christian understanding of the universe-that you’re here for a purpose and you’re made by a loving God and you’re made in the image of God and all human beings are children of God. Those values made sense when we believed the Christian view of the universe but we don’t believe that anymore and therefore, if you hold onto those values, you are actually being a Christian and a very, very inconsistent person, though you won’t admit it.”

[@d12zrk]

@@rickdavis2235 I was with you with all the humanity thing...but an Atheist thinks not believes there is no God...thinks keyword...and so people always tie end that if you have morals you believe in God etc...no stop reading so far into it...it's very simple an Atheist is someone who thinks there is no God or evidence of a God...PERIOD!!! So if you want to get into a debate about your God or you being moral we can solve that one real quick...like was God good and moral to flood the earth killing more people than Hitler that day? Now you still following me...are you okay with God killing all those people in the great flood? Second, Was your God right to be okay with slavery and then tells you how to own slaves after 6 years give them a wife and if they have kid's and the 6 years are up the slave can leave free but only the slave the wife and children stay with the master...but...but the slave can stay and be a slave forever if he tells the master I love my master and I want to stay...WTF? Is God good and moral for that? Once again are you okay with that? And I can go on and on and on if you so the chose to...I'm about to show everyone who has the real morals here!

[@rickdavis2235]

​@@d12zrk Is slavery wrong?

[@seattlecloudchaser7295]

The trooper in the background 😂...”I think I’ll hang around as Jeff throws this TRUTH bomb down.” 💣

[@georgemoncayo8313]

I love that Apologia church is friendly to answers in Genesis, and AIG has great books showing why evolution is not real science like "Glass house: shattering the myth of evolution" and "replacing Darwin made simple."

[@Stansbrokenhandle]

@@georgemoncayo8313 The only thing great about AIG is their ignorance of science.

[@georgemoncayo8313]

@@Stansbrokenhandle it's the way you interpret the evidence and they have PhD scientists on there staff and are well aware of what others who disagree believe. It's the atheist presupusitions that make atheist scientists believe pseudo science.

[@Stansbrokenhandle]

@@georgemoncayo8313 Dr Nathaiel Jeanson: scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/17/a-first-hand-report-of-nathani Dr Terry Mortenson has a doctorate in the history of geology - not a scientist Dr Andrew Snelling - rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andrew_Snelling Just because the other staff PhDs with degrees in actual relevant fields work for AIG, doesn't mean they still adhere to scientific reasoning. AIG requires you to sign a statement of faith upon employment which includes this gem "By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.". Any scientist worthy of their degree would NEVER sign such a preposterous statement. Proper scientists, atheists or not, do not have presuppositions; pseudo science is what these "creation" scientists bring to the table in a failed effort to legitimize using the Bible as some sort of authority on anything. Fuck off with any claim about AIG being reasonable or valid in any scientific context whatsoever.

[@jj-vf7wm]

@@Stansbrokenhandle I’ve seen you replying so much to these comments. My question is why do you stick around doing that? It seems like you’re desperately wanting to make people not believe. For what? Why?

[@muskett]

pray for this man that Durbin's speaking with to believe on Christ. He's visibly dying in his sins. May the Living God have mercy.

[@jamesb6818]

Michael Muskett I don’t know if it was just me but he seemed to be doing way less talking and started listening and thinking of what Jeff was saying nearing the end of that dialogue.

[@knowethjc29]

Jeff did cut him off quite alot, Would've been nice to have a nice long dialog, In the end i think jeff could've really put a big meaning in his heart, I think the guy was starting to listen abit.

[@GregOrangeDoor]

OrahhFFA in today’s day and age, this was a long dialogue. There was no yelling, and Jeff shared the gospel, it was great.

[@GregOrangeDoor]

Goggle products you definitely gave yourself the “thumbs up.” Flat earth...really?

[@1kings18apologetics6]

@Goggle products I love when flat earth apologetics provokes presuppositionalists into invoking evidence. In my subjective, non-ultimate, and and autonomously absurd opinion, flat earth apologetics is the conditionally dependent _best_ method of making presuppositionalists mad.

[@LtDeadeye]

Polite savagery on display.

[@patpawlowski7635]

The Christian guy is far from polite, he is telling this man what the man believes and attacks him for it

[@LtDeadeye]

Pat Pawlowski Not many people fully think through to the logical conclusions of their worldview and Jeff was walking him through in order to illuminate the absurdity of his beliefs. Jeff is very controlling though.

[@patpawlowski7635]

LtDeadeye indeed controlling. He straw mans this guy and most of his conversational partners, making claims after twisting their words. He is formulaic in this way, very condescending

[@LtDeadeye]

Pat Pawlowski While I disagree that he uses straw man arguments, I do think he should be less controlling. I think it’s a tactic of the presuppositional approach.

[@Wheatsilo]

Jeff is showing incredible patience and Mercy in this video. He's standing before two individuals who hate God and love death and are seeking to allow the slaughter of children, and even so Jeff pleads for their soul. I've never seen greater respect or love for another person than what Jeff displayed here. Praise God for Jeff, and all Glory to God.

[@JasonStephens7]

Thank you for your example Jeff Durbin. You are gifted at reasoning, exposing the flaws of atheism, and showing others their need for Jesus. God bless!

[@ServantofGOD__]

Fatality. 🤯 Well done Pastor Jeff!

[@jp22344]

UpLifted Performance Atheists are not the enemy who Christians are to destroy, they are enslaved to their sin, just as you were if you are in Christ. Yes stand for the truth but do so with compassion, grace and mercy as Pastor Durbin did here.

[@tiffinydill359]

I want to hug that guy. He lacks love in his life, you can see his eyes lack joy.

[@georgemoncayo8313]

I love that Apologia church is friendly to answers in Genesis, and AIG has great books showing why evolution is not real science like "Glass house: shattering the myth of evolution" and "replacing Darwin made simple."

[@tiffinydill359]

@@georgemoncayo8313 hey thank u I will look it up. Could you link ur fav vid I should watch. Jeff has Soooo much patience, it's so hard not to loose ur cool with atheist, and he's as cool as a cucumber, simply amazing

[@christian13x]

Much wisdom brings grief

[@georgemoncayo8313]

@@tiffinydill359 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4aueomMaZ1_hc0

[@tiffinydill359]

@@georgemoncayo8313 thank you💖💖 bless you brother💖💖

[@chandlertuckerman5638]

"Thank you for that pro life argument" love it! Lol

[@andrecummings13]

What gets me is they say “pro-choice” but doesn’t that include the baby having a choice too ????????

[@AC-yq2fx]

Very well said

[@pabloeskibar8076]

@nickj14711 God can do whatever he wills

[@pabloeskibar8076]

@nickj14711 You don't seem to understand the power of God do you?

[@literallycanteven4748]

Of course not. They don't see babies as having any value or personhood

[@gonzalez92100]

nickj14711 God is a just God In The days of Noah the people were wicked in deed and thought imagine killing, rape, perversions of every kind being done to another and the children as well what the children had learned from their parents learning nothing but evil , “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” “And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:6-7‬ ‭ and like the brother said God Can do what He wants, Jesus delivered me from self hatred, and all kinds of evil, He delivered me from anxiety attacks and insomnia he delivered me from an eating disorder He does exist, and all creation is proof of that , you don’t look at a building and say that it created itself the same way the earth and all mankind and beast were created by God. We are the evidence now you tell me where is your evidence that we came out of a puddle of slime?

[@thebullandarcher7964]

They have no idea he’s speaking life over them. Beautiful

[@jackriddle4017]

Great observation

[@baldwinbaby9162]

The Holy Spirit is STRONG IN this one!!!

[@seduzu420]

They had no idea who they were about to engage! Jeff you motivate me to have these types of conversations and in order that God's gospel will go forth. Ty

[@NOMADSeaKayaking]

We’ll done Pastor. Your love and faith shines through. God bless you and your church.

[@JamBone30]

WOW! Absolutely amazing debate, hands down the best I've ever seen, that poor old man was drowning from the start! Pray for him and his granddaughter!

[@kahelekoki6215]

The girl wants to run away because she's getting uncomfortable

[@Jasons_Arcade_PLUS]

Pastor Jeff’s ability to ignore “Miss Straw Man argument” and focus on the lost soul at hand (the South Bend Shovel Slayer) is remarkable

[@chookin1]

Great argument. Really sharp this pastor .

[@JasonRussoMetal]

Pastor Jeff was really prepared.. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

[@gunnarmason6866]

Very powerful! God had truly spoke to them of their folly! Praise Jesus for He is our king!

[@Elrog3]

God doesn't exist.

[@mr.ditkovich1645]

Ok, then.

[@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg]

Prove it

[@Elrog3]

@@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg Time is a necessary requirement of existence and god is timeless. Therefore god doesn't exist.

[@JoseLuisGarcia-vv6yg]

Elrog3 I actually agree with you, I was saying prove it to the top comment, durbin imposes so much presupposition and seems to truly believe that people can’t be moral without a template/religion

[@danielguitron]

Keep fighting for those babies Jeff, we need to pray for those babies and those protesters 🙏🙏🙏

[@claytonmcminn1121]

Reduced to absurdity

[@ąყŋ-o8q]

Reducto ad absurdum

[@jongee4336]

19:50 "What if I don't need a basis" yeah she just didn't realize she shot herself in the foot and admitted that she has no idea why she believes what she believes. No point of her arguing if she has literally nothing to stand on.

[@laisaniomalley3927]

Thank you Pastor Jeff ❤️🙏🇦🇺

[@rickm5853]

I can't stop watching. Pastor, the Spirit has filled you with love.

[@WhisperGray]

I feel so sad for these empty people.

[@patpawlowski7635]

Yea, religion made me so empty too. I was mentally ill and only until I let go religion could I get better

[@WhisperGray]

@@patpawlowski7635 sounds like you never got better if you are still fighting your inner demons.. otherwise this wouldn't bother you enough to even come and comment on. People who truly do not believe in an creator, don't bother with people who do. One day I hope you can have inner peace. Try philosophy. But be careful, it often leads you back to God.

[@patpawlowski7635]

Whisper Gray thanks, yes philosophy was a big part of helping me get better. I find Jeff to be a bully, thats why I watch these videos and comment on them.

[@WhisperGray]

@@patpawlowski7635 I find him a little obnoxious too. I can imagine however what Jesus was also like, talking to the pharisees, irritating the hell out of them talking about peace and forgiveness. Good night ! Hope you find good in your life and the ability to be happy.

[@patpawlowski7635]

Whisper Gray thanks. I appreciate your comments

[@danielware7117]

Man i love jeff durbins reasoning

[@AG4KN]

I believe that the gentleman probably never knew (or he forgot) why he became atheist in the first place. He also was probably blown away by Pastor Jeff's references to Bertrand Russell and also couldn't respond (in-kind) to reason and logic in his own world view.

[@843292]

That's where it always breaks down.

[@bigbkeepitreelfishing]

Amazing and this is the true church needs to be ready to give an account. This pastor is very intelligent and gifted. He did an amazing job. He knows the truth.

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

Jeff does a great job. He understands the truth and catches the wise in their craft. Thank you for allowing people to think critically.

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

@nickj14711 did you just assume my religion 😁😁😁

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

@nickj14711 there you go again assuming Im christian just because I support Jeffs points. As an atheist, arent you suppose to be more careful how you begin a basic disagreement. Also, you want me to answer a question without stating what the question is. Why cant you calm down first from assuming things.

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

@nickj14711 Those arent even questions you genius. They are rhetorical opinions that NO i wont agree with.

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

@nickj14711 Just because you put a ? Doesny make it a question dude. 1. Opinion that does provoke a question, in fact it makes ME want to ask a question by saying How? Explain. 2. This is an opinion. 3. Is this a rhetorical question or do you honestly need me to cite the dictionary of people I can choose from?

[@user-ot4rc9jh8e]

@nickj14711 lmao. Youre the only one here playing childish word games. Way to go. You played yourself. Calm down.

[@stacyplotts7483]

This was brilliant! Praise God!

[@OnMyWaytoKorea]

I pray this older man finds God

[@patpawlowski7635]

I would love for someone to demonstrate if prayer works

[@aplace5791]

Pat Pawlowski lmao

[@OnMyWaytoKorea]

Pat Pawlowski With God you don’t “see” to believe, you believe to see. God won’t reveal himself to you if you aren’t open to Him. He will reach out to you, but it is up to you to open up or not (: Prayers do work. God bless!

[@peterduffproject]

@@OnMyWaytoKorea God has revealed himself to no one.

[@himynameisjohnwumsh7631]

Peter Duff : do u have evidence to support that claim.

[@brianalex1017]

By the way this happens every time when you win an argument with an atheist they just get angry they truly have no logic.

[@tommybeatz4678]

benny anderson Jesus is Lord

[@brianalex1017]

@@tommybeatz4678 Agree 1000%

[@Davian_James]

Thank you Jeff for all you do. God bless! I'll be praying for these two.

[@lifegiverchurchwindsor]

Dang Jeff, be nice to the old dude from Home Alone.

[@reformedcatholic457]

For once a nice atheist, I pray he will repent and trust in Christ.

[@mattvmalone]

Yes, we don't want him to burn and be tortured in Hell for eternity for being nice.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@mattvmalone Never the less even nice people have lied, stolen etc.. broken God's law the 10 commandments and deserve hell like we all do. No one is a good person.

[@mattvmalone]

@@reformedcatholic457 The belief that everyone deserves hell if they dont believe your god is absurd and patently barbaric. Your god is nothing more than a mob boss.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@mattvmalone According to what standard is it barbaric? Is that a truth statement? If so, by what absolute authority are you appealing to?

[@mattvmalone]

@@reformedcatholic457 Common sense.

[@huydo1930]

State trooper be like :" this is different" love him

[@southerngrainz]

Jeff truly cares for everyone and wants to see god win over lives. By doing so he will go to the extreme to some in order to achieve this. This does not represent arrogance to me as some have claimed. This represents courage and love that most of us “comfortable Christians” wouldn’t dare attempt. God bless Jeff and his ministry.

[@arno7303]

Jeff and Apologia, thank you so much for this. I have learned so much by the grace of God about apologetics and the glory of God through your ministry. I pray God keeps you safe and on fire to keep preaching the good news of Jesus Christ.

[@maxambrose8839]

Bet this guy was considered the 'clever' one in his group... Keep up the good work, Pastor.

[@arthurjackson8302]

I guess my 11 year old nephew isn't a human yet because he hasn't hit his growth spurt yet. He's not a real human, cells are still dividing.

[@imaginarycanary9956]

I need to memorize this. The man isn’t only speaking to the older gentleman he is speaking to everyone who is within eat shot. 🙏🙏🙏

[@MDH_Sports]

Best video I’ve ever seen between a Christian and Atheist. Shows the full collapse of the atheistic worldview and the beauty of a worldview filtered through and built upon the lordship of Jesus Christ.

[@ThePattersonPod]

Excellent. So encouraging to see God’s truth prevail!

[@backyardchickensuk2390]

Think I need my eyes testing! Looked at the title and thought “Ooh, Pastors verses Athletes!!” This should be good! Please pray for me! 😂😂😂

[@rollmops3113]

Backyard Chickens UK lol 😂

[@kylereynhart]

Wow, okay sir let me just say! GOOD JOB! you know your stuff and you are a genius! GLORY TO GOD!!!

[@Kingjamesstreetpreacher]

Keep at it Jeff!!! 🙏🏽 @apologiastudios

[@jimjazz64]

Wowww... Just excellent the way you led the argument and concluded it with love!

[@sscliche]

I love listening to pastor Jeff. He is awesome. Wish I could meet him.

[@adelalax3553]

Pastor Jeff you reminded me of The Apostle Paul I imagined him talking like that to people

[@RS-dt6ot]

"This Atheist Votes" girl has nothing to bring to the argument! Silly!

[@baymeosplit8537]

"Jeff Destroys Atheist" ... would have been a more accurate title for this video.

[@jacobjasch4397]

Yes, but not a very Christ like title :P Gentleness...love...

[@baymeosplit8537]

@@jacobjasch4397 Are you kidding me? Christ routinely destroyed the pharisees in his debates with them. XD

[@jacobjasch4397]

@@baymeosplit8537 Yes, and even Paul said "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." But, that does not mean we go around parading to non-christians "We destroy atheists! we destroy your arguments!" Jesus was relentless, and never lost a confrontation with a Pharisee...but he didn't finish by saying "I destroyed you!"

[@DanielApologetics]

Well done, Jeff. God bless you and the ministry!

[@TheBananacoco12]

@nickj14711 Your worldview doesn't even allow evil or good.

[@randycadkins]

Well done Jeff, its always good to see how graceful you are, and polite, but undaunted as well, and we know it's by God's grace, and I praise God for brothers like you

[@Elrog3]

Graceful?! Polite?! Jeff is a complete a-hole!

[@randycadkins]

@@Elrog3 and yet, you are the one cursing the one you call this fowl Word? Have you debated atheists and had as much patience with them as Jeff, and still remember to present the gospel to them before it's over? That seems like it would be loving to me, to care for their souls enough to not just stop at being "nice" when the gospel tears down their ideologies and false atheistic faith. What is your specific problem with Jeff?

[@Elrog3]

@@randycadkins I'll be polite when its mutual. With Jeff, it isn't. Presenting the gospel doesn't make it graceful or polite. My biggest problem with Jeff is he aggressively tells people what he thinks they actually believe.

[@ryancampbell3513]

Sad: when we hold words to a specific meaning it is a game to those whom do not understand the words they use or the foundation upon which the crucial meanings stand. If the meaning of the word does not mean anything-what on earth are we talking about?! Godlessness is madness.

[@Elrog3]

You started off okay. But then you got it completely backwards.

[@raulcastro3277]

Talk about going into a gunfight with your opponent holding a straw and a hand full of spitwads.

[@Bbrits1]

I wish the pastor can use simple words and talk to the people as if he truely loves them.

[@MrWitwortel]

If you loved people you would stop teaching them that 'sin is over'

[@Bbrits1]

@@MrWitwortel what do I mean by sin is over?

[@Bbrits1]

@@MrWitwortel though so... you dont understand what I teach. Inwonder if you ever listened to the teaching?

[@lenia90]

I love Jeff Durbin and his way of talking to People sharing the Faith in our great Creator!!!!! Watching from Germany :)

[@lenia90]

John Jacobsen , Sorry but I don't know and I could care less.I have heard that he agreed on Muslim theologie.

[@jasonhinkle4083]

Jeff, you do a brilliant job of following his answers to your questions. Always be prepared to give and answer...but do it with humility and love. We must be gentle as we are shattering worldviews! The only thing that separates us from the unbeliever is understanding of the grace and love of God.

[@myjesusmysavior1000]

Defining words based on root is "word games" only when they go against what an atheist is trying to prove.

[@DaveyJay.]

Oof, Jeff. This is so good.

[@kobrowsky]

Show me the laws of logic so I can see them, have them jump on the table and sing in this microphone. Cop: "You were doing 90 in a 30 zone. It's against the law." Guy: "Show me the law." Cop: "It's written here,look." Guy: "I see that it's written that the law says that but I want the see the law, hear the law and touch the law. I want the law to tell me that what I did is against it. Have the kick me in the balls if it's real." Cop: "You're free to go." Guy: "What is freedom? Can I hold it in my hands? If not, then there is no freedom. Take me to jail."

[@SUPSUPERMAN11]

Another great video, Thank you Pastor Jeff, your entire way of communicating and knowledge is amazing.

[@aaronbrumley8937]

Jeff Durbin God bless you you’re such a good debater Lord Jesus Christ has definitely picked you for the right purpose Godspeed my brother in Christ

[@solaceboy]

"MY OWN understanding of the world." Sounds like an atheist alright.