Pastor vs. Moral Nihilist

[@systemrevolt7309]

I was moved by this conversation, and I could tell Josh was as well. The ending was simply the truth of his rebellion bubbling to the service. He walked away having heard the truth. Pray for him.

[@suavemunoz924]

And btw, that "hail Satan" he threw at Jeff at the end, is just further evidence that the message of gospel penetrated. It's that jab the enemy throws to try to discourage people like Jeff from preaching and caring. Again good stuff

[@Cosigner22]

It goes to show the hidden and opposite powers at work here in both men.

[@mikegreen1429]

Suave Munoz It also hurt his argument more! If there’s no God, there’s no Satan to hail!

[@allaboutdatGDA]

Adam Smith 🦃💩

[@patricktuter8613]

@Adam Smith but God doesnt so you have no point.

[@BigVK19]

@@patricktuter8613 God doesn't tell you to have sex with your children, but he might tell you to kill them, as he did with Abraham and Isaac. Although, as the story of Gen. 22 goes, there was intervention, an intervention was not explicitly promised.

[@hannanaegeli8289]

"We don't know how Holy God is... So when we hear of His eternal punishment we think to ourselves 'that seems excessive' but that just shows we don't understand His holiness and the gravity of our sin." ---- Jeff Durbin

[@mikegreen1429]

ComeOut OfTheWorld People with NDE/out of body experiences claim that when they face the judgement of Hell, many of them agree with the punishment. They understand that they deserve it. They never understood on Earth, but once in the spiritual realm, it becomes unbearably true and impossible to argue against

[@calebgibson55]

I encourage you to look up Rethinking Hell Chris Date God bless you! :)

[@user-qv6pe6go3d]

Spot on, people stumble on the reality of hell but it’s a testament to how little we think of sin and Gods righteousness. Even as a Christian I’m taken back when I question if it excessive, but that’s the flesh it lies just like the enemy.

[@adamgilbert9176]

If you don't know how holy "he" is then how can you even presume "he" is holy? If he's beyond comprehension then why the claims that state a comprehension. If no one can know the mind of Yahweh and his way above ours then it seems you likely have no clue about this deity you worship blindly. I to was a walking contradiction just as that mythical man made god. But then again, he could be real and as vague and confusing as it seems. If that's the case, then I suggest he take a basic level one class in communication. (Which he should already know perfectly).

[@iindseycantrell912]

It’s true God and his holiness is beyond our human comprehension. But he has revealed himself through his word. Any claim we can make is what God himself has already told us.

[@danobrien6149]

“Hail Satan” was Josh’s was of acting out against his own feelings. He had a seed planted tonight. It was apparent he didn’t feel comfortable realizing the absurdity of his world view. Pray for Josh

[@trecian777]

That's a great observation. I agree

[@jean-lucbattista2492]

I think he was not comfortable Not getting heard. When he tried to explain his Position He was getting cut everytime . So I'm not sure he actually got to understand The absurdity of his position . It goes like this : Morality It's just a way of making Sure there is less suffering.. we agreed on the morals we want to Follow as a group of people . The individual will choose the path of least suffering by not going against the crowd. It actually is quite consistent. The absurdity is here: following that logic, it shows how necessary hell is. It is God showing you the way of least suffering is to follow His morals because he deals the most pain. He is the strongest. Telling us is merciful. Still believing the devil lie that hell cannot exist, he left reaffirming his allegiance to the one he sees as strongest. Sad

[@reecem367]

@a normal everyday Spider No, there are lots of devil worshippers. You don't know if he was joking or not.

[@reecem367]

@a normal everyday Spider He claims to be an atheist, but who knows whats really in his heart. Anyways, why would he even make that "joke"? What did Jeff say that was even remotely close to the effect of Josh being a satan worshipper?

[@danobrien6149]

a normal everyday Spider just because you don’t claim to be a satanist, doesn’t mean Satan hasn’t invaded your thoughts and beliefs. Regardless of wether he believes in God, or Satan, if they do in fact exist than they can affect his thoughts and beliefs, whether he believes in them or not

[@joelunruh6534]

the young man was clearly hurt by his conscious confronting him with his turning from the truth. . .

[@peachbun]

What is the truth though? I don't believe in eternal torment either... I haven't been convinced about it. I believe scripture that says the lost perish, become as ash, consume away as the fat of lambs, body and soul will be destroyed in hell, and hell itself will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Will there be some torment? Yes, but then it will end for all eternity. But from someone else's perspective, I may not be saved though if I'm supposed to have a revelation about God's love where I am so in love with God that I am okay with people burning for eternity. Instead I think Jesus came to save us from death itself. The opposite of eternal life is eternal death, and yes, that is eternal separation from God, from life... It is nothingness, nonexistence, and from a Creator, the source of life, that isn't what he would want right? I don't think the opposite of eternal life is eternal torment. And I can't be guilt tripped about sin either as if that is the reason I don't believe in eternal torment... Because I have seen progress in my life, and I have tried both routes where I try to make my own effort not to sin, and also just wait for Jesus to convict me and not worry about whether every single choice I make is right. Because intent matters... people lied in the bible in order to save the life of someone else... And people lied to secretly keep money for themselves and they wouldn't repent and were struck dead... There is a difference.

[@jamzkinman]

@@peachbun but why would a just God force you to be with Him, when you don't want to be with Him at all. Hell separation from God, which is your choice. An all loving God didn't force Adam and Eve to sin, yet they did. We have free will that is ours, and our choice is what determines to be with Him or Not. And the bible says the second death is them being cast into the lake of fire, it is forever and ever, Revelation 20:14 KJV.

[@CBALLEN]

2 Cor 2;16 To those who are perishing, we are a dreadful smell of death and doom. But to those who are being saved, we are a life-giving perfume. And who is adequate for such a task as this?

[@peachbun]

@@jamzkinman I didn't say anyone would be forced to be with him. If a person perishes and ceases to exist, they won't be with him. So, you're arguing a concept that is not part of my belief at all. I don't believe God will force anyone to be with him, but that doesn't then equal that they will be burning forever and ever. The result of their destruction is what will go on forever and ever. There are multiple scriptures that use the word forever, or forever and ever, and it isn't literal, but symbolizes a long time. Ultimately, I do not believe the fear of being burned for eternity ever saved anyone. If the love of God doesn't convince someone, why would the fear of eternal torment convince them? I do believe the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...Because we need respect for the one who gives us life... But I think death itself and non-existence is something to fear on it's own, and life is something to be thankful for. There will be a second death, but that is it. And I leave that up to God.

[@CBALLEN]

The saved and the lost ,both receive eternal,indestructible bodies at the resurrection and there is only 2 places for these people to exist in eternity.One place is with God,washed clean by the blood of Christ,the other place is FOR THOSE WHO DIE IN THEIR SIN,the eternal Hell fire,THE ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE.This is why Hell exists,it is the prison where all God haters will eternally reside.

[@Logos_Unveiled]

"The gates of hell are locked from the inside" - Cs Lewis

[@danteindoubt]

Gates keep in and prevent escape but "...I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

[@mrchrysler9736]

The Church's Development of the Hell Myth The myth of hell developed steadily after Yeshua's death in 30 CE, but it does not appear in the Old Testament, the New Testament, Yeshua's teachings, the Acts of the Apostles, Paul's epistles, or the other epistles in the canon. The explanation of how it developed in the church follows.

[@CBALLEN]

@@mrchrysler9736 Isaiah 14:9 Sheol beneath is eager to meet you upon your arrival. It stirs the spirits of the dead to greet you--all the rulers of the earth. It makes all the kings of the nations rise from their thrones.

[@Kirdo-6241]

Tim Ballentine I donated $100 to planned parenthood thanks to Jeff durbin.

[@Logos_Unveiled]

@@Kirdo-6241 ?

[@JTAPtv]

You know I almost cried at the end. It really seemed like Jeff was getting somewhere. Pray for Josh to be convicted. He needs Christ

[@tobiaswach5821]

Utterly heartbreaking

[@CBALLEN]

It's best just to pray for God to save him.

[@myjesusisall3192]

He was convicted. Pure rebellion. So sad.

[@nick-r8o8w]

Jeff did what was necessary. He planted the seed. Now we pray and let God take over

[@CBALLEN]

@@nick-r8o8w Some plant,some water,but it's God who GIVES THE INCREASE.

[@drakebrown4906]

The end made my heart drop. I used to to be that guy.. whenever someone tried to tell me about Christ I would say hail satan just to try and get under their skin. Lord forgive me.

[@mattprice443]

It's amazing, the change you experience and "how could I ever think like that" change

[@user-xf9zx7in2g]

@@mattprice443 Amen

[@Dah_J]

wow in the end he basically admitted that he knows God exists but chooses to deny him. confessing that satan exists means that God also exists

[@barrypatrickius]

God has already forgiven you if your saved.

[@mikhaelkarapetyan4040]

It just proves that it's all a condition of the heart.

[@lacya.716]

I respect pastor Jeff so much. I've seen a lot of videos with him witnessing to people. People yell, curse, throw drinks, threaten and want to fight him. It's crazy! And this kid. ... ends the talk with "hail satan." Pastor Jeff continues doing God's work.

[@ant1k]

What did he say in the end? I am not native to the English language. I would tell he said " hail satan..." but I may be wrong haha

[@lacya.716]

@@ant1k Yep. That is what he said.

[@Cosigner22]

It just goes to show that there are invisible and opposite powers at work here in both of these men.

[@kimmillard9445]

Honestly, the "Hail Satan" part really didn't bother me all that much. Over the years, I've heard the testimonies of countless people who said and did a lot worse to the people who witnessed to them before eventually turning their lives over to Christ. Planting seeds and watering is a process and we don't get a full-grown tree from the seeds we sow right away. We just don't. This young man has a lot to process in his heart and his mind right now.

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

Lacey man you and I as brothers in Christwe should all pray for this young man together we should all pray for him Satan has a hold of him badly and I'm sorry that he turned away from this Christian faith it's very sad. We should all go into prayer right now for this young man I think. I can start Lord Jesus for all coming to you today to pray over Josh this young man who says he's a nihilist and that he has turned away from Christianity Lord I pray that you watch over this young man 2 have them understand the Bible and your love it and what it truly means to be justifiable what year we don't live life just through love we live it according to your will and we should treat people with respect and love and out of love but we can also teach people the gospel as well. Lord I'm praying that you watch over this young man Satan has a hold of his heart and we can not let Satan win it all in the end Satan knows he's going to lose Satan knows that he has lost but he's trying to take as many people with him as he can get or Jesus we love you and we thank you so much for your sacrifice on the cross for our standing desk. Lord Jesus I acknowledge it you are Christ the very son of God that you are God made manifest in bodily form Lord Jesus and I also pray that in my heart as well that we spread the gospel message right we not wrong way and do it out of love not out of hatred toward anybody. So we're Jesus I love you and I thank you so much for everything you've done for us and also thank you for the brothers and sisters at around here we love we need to stand with each other every day we're Jesus I thank you we love you too in your name we pray all these things amen.

[@jesuswashesfeet1805]

Josh: we need to free oppressed people Also Josh: hAiLsAtAn

[@ikilledthewendigo4745]

@Phytom no child molester should go unpunished and you saying to praise them just to spite a worldview you don't agree with doesn't add up to me bro.

[@whitexchina]

I'm sure Palastinians want a Satan worshipper on their side...NOt

[@Onxide]

well I guess Satan is kinda oppressed

[@laurenmccarver9814]

Ahh, yes, the most oppressed group. Christians 🙄🙄🙄

[@TylerJordan601]

@@laurenmccarver9814 Actually yes, in Israel,China,Afghanistan and many others its illegal. Often punished by death. Even in the west a more psychological war has been waged on christians.

[@twelvedozen5075]

Ridiculous ending Kid was pissed that he couldn’t work out his absurdity

[@jesusislord6020]

He was hurt. God is working in his heart. And it hurt him because he hates God so much. Similar to when we blow up on someone because we are stressed about something.

[@debrabertelli5076]

In an alternate universe, Josh is a murderous dictator, a genocidal maniac. He'll spout some convoluted nonsense in order to justify his atrocities.

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

No one likes getting rekt

[@kimmillard9445]

@@jesusislord6020 , I totally agree with you. Josh WAS hurt and he didn't know how to process it. I really felt for him because I've been there in the conversion process. It's truly devastating when the basis of the way you view the world is shattered until you either cry out to God for His mercy, or you completely harden your heart. That said, It was a godly wound which HAD to be inflicted by Pastor Jeff in love for this young man.

[@gregcoogan8270]

he was also becoming convicted. I could see it in his eyes and body language.

[@covenantalmotherhood3610]

Praying for this young man, Pastor Jeff. You could tell his mind was really working.

[@Hoffnung7558]

Joshy boy’s true world view came out as he heard the gospel at the end there. Well done Jeff, and keep up the great work.

[@spartacusantipas4580]

Brother Jeff, that was loving, tactful, and informative. You rattled his cage. The Holy Spirit will do his work and the boy will never be the same. He got angry at the end but the damage was already done. Amen.

[@kingdomkid7225]

Wow, was not expecting the “hail satan” at the end. I thought he was actually listening and participating in good faith.

[@austinkatz1551]

He had to be a jerk to Jeff to avoid the conviction he was experiencing. People want to believe they are good but he just outright disrespected a stranger who was loving him with the truth, Josh undermined his own claim that people should love and care for other people. And another sad thing is he doesn't even care about the Palestinians his shirt refers to, he's just virtue signaling.

[@BenPeckover]

That was the silence of defeat. He had nothing so he just left with a profane statement to make him feel victorious in some superficial way.

[@timsharpe6652]

Well put Austin

[@timsharpe6652]

*said

[@austinkatz1551]

@@timsharpe6652 thanks, you know, the only reason I can try to understand an unbelievers denial of God and his gospel is because I was the same way. It's like, when you hear the Gospel and God calls you, you start to realize that if you give in to God then you will be the one sharing the Gospel and all your friends and family will see you as a "crazy Christian". From a secular point of view, it is the worst part of being a Christian, but once you accept the truth about who you are and who god is, you start seeing ALL the benefits of being a part of God's kingdom and family. One of the greatest benefits of having Christ as lord is that EVERYTHING begins to make perfect sense, if you try to make sense of the world WITHOUT God, you begin to lose your sanity because you have NOTHING to be your foundation, you have nowhere to begin attempting to explain reason, math, love, knowledge, good, evil, PURPOSE.. I thank God for saving me from losing my mind, I was adopting a nihilist way of life at a young age but God called me back and I saw how foolish I was, I paid A penalty and suffered consequences for my actions, But NOWHERE near the consequences that I or any of us deserve, God is so gracious and faithful, more than we can fully understand. GOD BLESS YOU

[@yoshi_2514]

I almost cried when Josh said "Hail Satan". Jeff was so passionate and that's how he responds.

[@ericbell940]

Passionate, yes. Delusional, yes.

[@deathconsciousness7057]

eric bell watches too mich rick & morty. it’s common among pseudo-intellectuals alike himself

[@ericbell940]

@You just got baited Proof?

[@ericbell940]

@You just got baited Proof?

[@ericbell940]

@You just got baited Devastating come back...Your christian friends must be proud of you.

[@letmeapologize]

I think Josh just had a rainstorm come in and water a seed that was already planted. Praying for his salvation and expecting to hear great news about his return to the Father real soon.

[@trecian777]

Amen!!

[@ericbell940]

Tell me how it goes. Nothing fails like prayer.

[@wandertree]

@@ericbell940 Bless your heart. Nothing is more powerful than prayer. If you are not God's child, then you have no reason to expect prayer to work for you.

[@Michael-JT22]

That was a great conversation… I think he now has that stone in his shoe that will make him think more… He knows the truth… for sure! You did an amazing job Jeff… God does incredible work through you for sure 🙏🏻

[@williamringler4949]

He without a doubt has a unclean spirit in him! When The HOLY SPIRIT started speaking through Jeff it did what they all do, lashed out at Jeff and if you noticed it didn't rear its ugly presents until Jeff came out of him with the HOLY SPIRIT/ love! I feel for this man because I had an antichrist spirit in me and Jesus Christ said I was chosen like most of you reading this and sent His HOLY SPIRIT to convict me and now I Love Jesus Christ more than my own family because without Him we would not exist. HOLY HOLY HOLY is my GOD

[@barbieduggan]

William Ringler amen brother!!!!

[@sertone777]

When Jeff says he agrees with someone that rapes should die at 13:40 .....what does he mean ? What's he referring to or is a sarcastic comment he makes ?

[@Bewareofthewolves]

Sertone777 He’s referring to the death penalty

[@sertone777]

@@Bewareofthewolves so let me get this straight. It's a good thing to put somebody to death if they murder or rape ? Is this what God wants?

[@user-ps7ij6ge6d]

@@sertone777 Yes, that is acceptable, as it is justice of the flesh. Justice of the spirit, or the judgement, is handled by God. It is not a "good thing" to put somebody to death, but it is the punishment for what they have done.

[@williamringler4949]

I love you speaking the Truth and most importantly you know Truth's name is Jesus Christ! Bless you brother.

[@Elrog3]

Its more important to follow jesus than to speak truth? That set of priorities calls into question your ability to discern the truth in the first place.

[@conflictortiz8906]

Josh rejected the Gospel and left because he wants to stay in his sin that has a stronghold on him

[@ericbell940]

No I think he was tired of talking to a lunatic or else he was hungry.

[@tiredoftheliesarentyou690]

@@ericbell940 it's just as crazy to not believe believe in Christ as it is to believe. It takes just as much faith to not believe as it does to believe. Honestly, someone tell me what you get from not believing that you don't get from believing. What is the prize? Is there one?

[@ericbell940]

@@tiredoftheliesarentyou690 I am interested in truth. The definition of faith is belief without knowledge. The burden of truth is on you to show proof your god exists, go ahead. What do you mean by prize?

[@tiredoftheliesarentyou690]

@@ericbell940 I have no burden at all. Faith my contain knowledge but lack proof. The prize is what you get for your beliefs. Christian gets heaven and other religions similar. What is an atheist prize? I'm no scholar for sure but I do not need to be to understand we certainly are not here by chance. Good luck in your search for the truth.

[@ericbell940]

@@tiredoftheliesarentyou690 Yes you do have the burden. So what is your “knowledge”? Is your knowledge in god equivalent to my knowledge in unicorns? We are here because of the physical laws of nature. Your religion does not tolerate other, I think you have admitted truth is not something you are interested in

[@CarpentersMinistry1]

Jeff you have inspired me to study and preach the gospel in a way the scriptures teach us. Thank you brother.

[@sha0071972]

I'm not sure its belief that Josh lacks, he's looking for another road to glory because he loves his sin. If he agrees with Jeff he would have to give it up and acknowledge his creator.

[@ashtrik3798]

Shaun Vitek I agree

[@markgriffith3076]

Amen, totally agree

[@MrRose35]

Yep, I agree and was thinking the same thing. Especially the fact that he said he had a Christian upbringing , so he's familiar with the facts. He just doesn't want to accept it

[@aaronchambers9492]

Jeff is saving people. I’m one of them. Thank you pastor jeff. I’m on my way to mesa in February

[@scottrutter1400]

He was so offended by the Gospel. Its rocked him to the core and he proved that at the end there. He was full of rage that just spilled over. Praise God people like Jeff are patient and loving.

[@AaronShafovaloff1]

The unbeliever was hard-hearted. But thank you, Jeff, for showing us how to share the gospel.

[@jeffsatterthwaite9874]

Amazing job of showing the incongruence of the atheist materialist world view. Then at the very end we see that it is not logic or reason or philosophy or science that weds this young man to this worldview. It is a hatred for and rebellion against God. I pray he turns to Christ and is saved. Great job Jeff! Lovingly and firmly declaring the truth to this young man. God bless you!

[@edmorel134]

"He gives us a righteousness we dont deserve" Amen, praise Jesus.

[@theidentitychristispodcast]

The logical conclusion of atheism is hopelessness and despair. Ultimately, everything is meaningless so why bother? Great job in this conversation Jeff!

[@christretch]

That poor guy looks so confused and in pain. I pray he turns to God and finds faith and peace. That yall for your Apologetic teachings. I know college messed up my biblical world view, but I recently turned back to Jesus and the bible, and Biblical apologetic teachings are helping me now and would have really helped me decades ago.

[@michaeljames5881]

Wow that’s to bad “hail Satan.” He knew he didn’t have a single answer to what Jeff was saying so he said that instead.... Let’s pray for Josh that the seeds Jeff planted make an increase by the grace of God and Josh comes to Jesus for salvation!

[@ant1k]

What did he say in the end? I am not native to the English language. I would tell he said " hail satan..." but I may be wrong haha

[@michaeljames5881]

Laiza mont Yes that’s what he said :(

[@kadenmr2677]

Laiza mont What language do you speak?

[@ant1k]

@@kadenmr2677 portuguese

[@solangesmusic.1877]

@@ant1k Brazilian Portuguese? If yes, me too. (: I am from São Paulo., originally.

[@Voiiid]

Can I just say that you have motivated this first year bible college student to really get into apologetics and defend my faith and speak with confidence about my faith. Pastor Jeff and Apologia church, I really pray to have a ministry like you and to get out on the front lines and change lives, you have no idea the impact your channel and videos make in my life and many others. Thank you again, please never stop.

[@izzyvulaca]

Gosh Jeff, i honestly don't know how you do it. Really good conversation again!

[@masterdaveedwards]

That's intense Jeff...I love your Evengalistic pressure and that you stay calm and are respectful...love you bro. God's Shalom

[@sheeniebeanie2597]

This man has compassion, logic, stability, and the Holy Spirit. I can't wait to be praising Jesus for eternity in company of people like this. People who LOVE THE LORD.

[@johnnycyberpunk5243]

"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

[@TheArtistJ777]

The gospel is the great revealer. When you hear the good news of Jesus it sheds light on what's really in you.

[@BenNocella]

This was great Pastor Jeff. Thank you for being faithful.

[@phalredenferd1658]

Debating morality is always a losing battle for atheists.

[@duck-fil-a3606]

Zeke Bean i bet you don’t live like morality is subjective. Not honestly.

[@SabbatarianCalvinist]

@Zeke Bean well since morality is subjective, then I don't have a moral obligation to give you an example of anything and I chose to end the discussion right now. Whether you reply or not I win automatically because I subjectibly feel that I won. If you disagree with me you still lose because you appealed to something objective as in winning or losing.

[@duck-fil-a3606]

Zeke Bean No, I mean when a little girl is raped and murdered, I bet you don’t live like that action was subjectively immoral. I bet you don’t grant to the rapist the same freedom and authority to believe as he wants to the rapists who believes a different morality than you.

[@davidresendiz7989]

@Zeke Bean how can you demonstrate anything at all?, "THERE IS NOT OBJECTIVE MORALITY" the guy says! is that the true??????

[@matthewmanucci]

“Morality is subjective” 2 minutes later “I try not to be a dick” By what standard?

[@marcosandoval3051]

The heart Jeff has the people he talks to. Really brings me warmth!

[@cumulus1869]

He looked so uncomfortable yet he did such a good job staying calm and answering him with good arguments.

[@cumulus1869]

This pastor is such a fucking tool, he clearly doesn't want to be talking to him and he keeps strawmanning his opponent.

[@chapelmontoya7232]

Ouch, really sad. Crazy thing is I felt a really bad vibe from him by looking and listening to the way he was responding, there was no passion to what he believes. He is a hurt and angry individual.

[@HiBoBeaux]

@Nebula You are seeking hapiness and not truth. I disagree completley when you say the only difference between you and an agnostic/athiest is the lack of belief in one less God. It doesn't even make much sense to even say this, given that athiests don't believe in God. The question you should be asking is can the Christian and the athiest be true at the same time? Just because something feels right doesn't make it true. In fact, being a Christian sometimes doesn't feel good, knowing that the way you think is sinful, or the way you act. But we follow the truth, not our own feelings. It's not a hapiness quest, if we all lived like that no one would go to work.

[@HiBoBeaux]

@Nebula I never said that no one else can have morals outside of christians. The only problem is for the non christian, they're going to have a hard time objectivley coming to a conlclusion on morality beyond their own experience. The thing is, everyone says that they are moral, the question we should be asking is which morality is true. If we go with criminals morality are we heading the wrong direction? In your view it seems like there isn't an answer beyond what you've conlcuded for yourself and ONLY yourself. I said what I said because man doesn't dictate truth. " the fact of the matter is that no one can know the truth for certain because there isn't enough knowledge/information" Is this true?

[@HiBoBeaux]

@Nebula I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about what Christianity says about morality, only the claim it makes for truth. You seem to be blending in beliefs and truth together. Also you have a apparent problem with religion as a whole, which I somewhat agree with. The problem with your view is that you are in a cycle of contradictions. On one hand you say religion is all based on faith and personal experience (using your definition). But on the other you've created your own religion/belief system to combat mine based purely on your faith and personal experience. You can't escape, and I'm not saying this as a gotcha or anything, but just to point it out. You've created your own standard of truth for yourself that you follow and argue with. This is completely normal however, and I don't fault you for it at all. But you said it yourself, "all religions claim that their religion is the right one". And this is exactly my point, just because something feels right doesn't make it true. Just because someone tells you it's true doesn't mean it is. So the question is, why should I believe you if you don't claim to know the truth? Should I follow your belief system? Should I make up my own that fits where I find my pleasure? You said that we can't know the truth, so why do you talk like you do? The claim of Christianity is the truth has been written and it's independent from what you and I think. I would urge you to argue with what the Bible says rather than what people do as well.

[@HiBoBeaux]

Nebula yea this isn’t anything new. It’s the new atheist belief to counter the idea that your actively denying god when you reject him. There’s many problems, but one of them is that your assuming evidence is required in order to believe something , when you don’t even live by that same standard.

[@HiBoBeaux]

@Nebula Its a presumption made by the argument.

[@bradenalexander2477]

If anybody would like to see the embodiment of "saltiness", Josh's statement at the end is a perfect example.

[@BrotherBear133]

This video brought tears to my eyes. God bless your work Apologia Studios and Jeff Durbin. May God save that young man!

[@ianhargrove1907]

Jeff your love and patience is amazing praise our God

[@barbieduggan]

Wow!!!!!! Jeff I love your interactions , I can’t believe he ended that beautiful conversation with that last statement but it shows where his heart is without Christ ......dead.

[@LacrosseColors]

Amazing debater you are Jeff, even though you arent doing it to “win”.

[@phalredenferd1658]

LacrosseColors Of course he’s doing it to win. To win souls.

[@jman29x]

Why would you do it to lose?

[@Onxide]

there is no winning or losing

[@GuitarforHISGlory]

Simply amazing. Jeff, you are setting an example for us to follow in our daily lives. Thank you!!! ❤️❤️

[@ianhutchinson6713]

Your such a blessing to hear Jeff speak the way you do about THE saviour! Love you brother!

[@EyeSayUhIsCool]

The seed was planted so beautifully. I pray that seed sprouts, keep at it Pastor Jeff. I was saved through a seed like this.

[@zachtrisler9464]

I wanna thank apologia studios for keeping there comments active! I wish more channels like this did the same!

[@joshhenderson7723]

For pipe-hitting, full flavored, unfiltered Calvinist, your love and compassion for people really comes through in these conversations. I feel the Holy Spirit and can see the fruit of His work in your life, Jeff. It’s really beautiful to watch. God bless you, brother.

[@sarahgraham5908]

Just watching this breaks my heart. Like everyone is saying you can see through the spirit that he was completely moved by the Holy Spirit working through Jeff. Pray for him . I believe he will come back to God . Praying for him and his family ! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@TheRanchNetwork]

Jeff Durbin #Legend Always prepared to adequately handle all rhetorical challenges.

[@jimmyraymond8625]

Jeff Durbin, thanks for the heart that you have for the lost. May God bless you for the ministry

[@JustSamOfficial]

Excellent Video Pastor Jeff. These are my favorite videos you guys do. Your street videos are awesome...Please make more.!

[@julieswhirled9532]

I’m surprised Josh stood there so long but it was so good - he definitely heard the gospel! Thank you for posting this video!

[@toddster8793]

I think Josh was totally convicted by the holy spirit as you talked, particularly toward the end of the conversation. I was bummed when he walked away. I felt like for a moment his heart was open, but then pride kicked in and kept him from accepting your phone number. You could see he was really wrestling with the things you presented. Praying for Josh now.

[@adrianciampa9958]

Yup... Josh was giving Jeff the look I gave my dad when I had to face the truth too. Good job Jeff. I know God is working on his heart!

[@rmlrobl]

yup! BEAUTIFUL Gospel presentation. Thanks Pastor Jeff.

[@joseph7520]

Would love to see pastor Jeff talk to Ricky Gervais.

[@lartencha9088]

AMEN

[@ericbell940]

Agreed, there is nothing he brought up that was not easily discredited. Still have never seen any evidence of god.

[@Hardspace1979]

Gervais would destroy him

[@Stanzi18]

@@Hardspace1979 Gervais has no foundation for knowledge.

[@Hardspace1979]

Jacob Stanziole niether do you or this fucking fairytale believing clown.

[@CBALLEN]

The best news of all is,everyone that Jesus died for will repent and believe.

[@s.e.garcia3635]

God works by means, always!

[@CBALLEN]

@@VladScousov No,not at all,God will cause His people to give the Gospel to His unregenerate people.That's how He chose to do it,HE LETS us be involved,He certainly doesn't need us.

[@s.e.garcia3635]

Tim Ballentine Sure but you can apply that to us even being created

[@CBALLEN]

@@s.e.garcia3635 True,but it's not for us,it's for Him and His glory.

[@CBALLEN]

@@VladScousov He saved Paul all by Himself.

[@caos1925]

I've been tempted and fallen into Nihilism a few times it is the most depressing thing, I lose the drive to do anything but then Scripture, the church community, and God always pull me out of it, for which I thank and praise Him.

[@TheDizzbozz]

amen brother

[@davegilbertson]

I'm really glad I watched til the end to comment. Early on my heart was grieved as it seemed like there was more concern for winning the argument vs a desire to see a soul won. Thank you for proving me wrong and contending. Peace and love to you brother!

[@evielit612]

I appreciate the respectful conversation it’s good to just talk and understanding and support your belief.

[@thedavidjscott_]

When I clicked on this, I totally thought the bearded guy was going to be the moral nihilist, haha.

[@Jesussaves450]

No! Hahaha he is actually a wonderful pastor. Glad you got to see one of his videos. There are so many great ones, and I have learned so much on how to evangelize, to the glory of God.

[@mattverville9227]

@@Jesussaves450 I agree, jeff is awesome. Have a blessed day sister

[@rikardotsamsiyu]

Stereotyping

[@biblebagel2960]

@@rikardotsamsiyu not necessarily. The thumbnail kinda just shows Josh talking and Jeff is just listening.

[@sm0k345]

i didn’t know who was who until half way through. jeff is a really good orator and josh is a moral relativist, so he lost the “debate” instantly

[@PrisonMike-_-]

Josh was so mature. Until the last 10 seconds. Respect for him lost

[@treasurevessel]

That conversation was absolutely heartbreaking. The man knew his position was absolute foolishness and yet persisted into insanity. That would be every single one of us without God's Mercy. It has been 3 years since this was posted and I pray that this man has come to knows the truth about the Lord Jesus.

[@envirojay]

Hard hearts. Only God can soften them and only Josh can allow him through repentance and faith in Jesus. Keep preaching truth Jeff and don't be discouraged because God is in total control of everything.

[@BillMorganChannel]

Good job Mr. Jeff. You taught him things he won't be able to forget.

[@elsablue3646]

Jeff you hit the nail on the head I think this young man has a sin he is keeping very dear and dear enough to push the beautiful savior away. I pray he goes to Jesus and He will heal Him !!

[@henrygonzalez5336]

His way of thinking doesnt make any sense at all, deep down he knows hes wrong, he knows what Jeff is saying is true, but his pride mixed with his current belief and worldview along with his sins blind him completely to the truth, may we pray he reacts on time before is too late.

[@ericbell940]

So you know what he believes deep down? Wow that must take some pride or arrogance.

[@dpd1184]

Well, you put the stone in his shoe, that's for sure.

[@sivemtshakazana]

This man's ability to engage in a Gospel-centred conversation with basically anyone is amazing. Praise God for that.

[@janehalsall4971]

Thank you God for sending Jeff to bringing lofty ideas that set themselves up against the knowledge of God down!

[@NNPerfection]

Jesus Christ is King of Kings.

[@ericbell940]

Any indication he actually exists?

[@ericbell940]

@John Burton What eye witnesses? Any outside the bible?

[@ericbell940]

@John Burton You want to add a little detail?

[@ericbell940]

@John Burton What miracles did Pilate witness?

[@ericbell940]

Do you have proof.

[@jmsto87]

“...the most important fizz there is.” Love that

[@Wink81]

Pray for Josh, and his generation.

[@leightoncorbett2754]

you generalise

[@Wink81]

Huh?

[@leightoncorbett2754]

@@Wink81 I think you generalise his generation. Can you be more specific to clarify please.

[@johngore3364]

I grew up in a Christian household. Yet strayed for years as far as I could. But I always knew God existed and knew he loved me no matter what. I always knew that I was a man in need of a Savior. I'm happy and grateful today I never gave up on God and He never let me go throughout the years. Now that I have my own boy, I know I can't control his own destiny but teaching him about God and His Love. I hope he too knows God will always be there no matter what he goes through.

[@darthollpheist1156]

This guy is a powerhouse of debate in favor of Christ. He is a warrior of The Savior. I love it. God bless.

[@christophercowan1645]

not surprised he said, "Hail Satan" at the end because throughout that entire time I could see the demonic struggle he was under!

[@ericbell940]

Please point out the demonic struggle part.

[@globext80]

I observed just his physical uncomfort, like his body heat rising and becoming agitated. My dad once brought me to a christian revival event and I made an alter call. It was not 100% genuine because I didnt want to give up sin but wanted to see what happend. But for the next 20-30 min there was Intense inner conflict as in agitated, couldn't sit still, no clear train of thought and just said "Dad I want to leave now." I HAD to leave that place. Fast forward, I gave my life to Jesus about 2 years ago and he delivered me from, amongst other things; drug addiction, porno, drinking and a depraved mind. So I would agree as personal experience there was a battle going on within him to trample the seed that was planted or watered.

[@ZachBauer1]

Wow, such a terribly sad ending to the conversation. Praying for Josh’s eyes to be opened to the truth.

[@ericbell940]

Nothing fails like prayer.

[@wandertree]

@@ericbell940 You have no impact here..

[@ericbell940]

@@wandertree Huh?

[@Lerian_V]

"Hail satan" was him letting out the ensuing struggle within. You know how when you're cleaning your apartment, dusts get agitated and start to flying.

[@iindseycantrell912]

Truly this conversation will reel in this young mans head I believe for years. His heart of stone was evident with his departing comment, but I pray that him speaking with pastor Jeff was an appointed conversation by God in His plan to give him a heart of flesh.

[@GracUntoYou]

May God's PRESENCE WISDOM AND LOVE BE WITH YOU ALL NOW AND FOREVERMORE SELAH

[@gordongraff9727]

All I heard from this young lost soul is I believe and I think ,that’s what’s been taught in this generation prideful nature of the flesh

[@kunntakentay]

That ending was really unexpected and uncalled for

[@Elrog3]

This guys preaching is uncalled for

[@kunntakentay]

@@Elrog3 how so?

[@Elrog3]

@@kunntakentay do you hear that guy in the background with the megaphone? lol And the pastor in camera view is aggressive. He leans in and stands too close. He probably has 75% of the talking time. He clearly had josh on the defensive from the start. That isn't a good way to have conversation. If something is true and your interlocutor thinks differently, you should be able to pose questions and let your interlocutor reason through their answer and come to know for themselves that they have made a mistake. But this pastor can't do that. Between questions he is saying "here's the thing josh" and telling josh what he should think. And the way he asks the questions its clear he is looking for a certain answer and is going to pounce on anything else. The aggressive attitude isn't wanted or helpful. Anthony Magnabosco's channel has plenty of good examples of how to have respectful conversations.

[@kunntakentay]

@@Elrog3 it wasn't that bad to me, the preacher was a bit assertive but he still made really good points and asked fair questions. It seemed to me that Josh just didn't like what he was saying, not how he was saying it.

[@Stanzi18]

@@Elrog3 do you even preach the gospel or do you just criticize others who do?

[@Caleblmao]

Idk why, but that "hail Satan" jab really hurt. Everyone pray for him.

[@Elrog3]

Well you can take solace in the fact that he doesn't exist.

[@thomaskanke7922]

@@Elrog3 You can say for a fact he doesn't?

[@Elrog3]

@@thomaskanke7922 Yes. Its quite simple really. Theists say god (and I assume satan as well?) exists outside of time and that contradicts what it means to exist. The definitions of exist, existence, existent, etc all include verbs and verbs have tenses which reference time. With that said, that is simply my own view of it and I don't expect anyone to be convinced solely on the basis of that. It works for me because I don't have any other beliefs it conflicts with. For instance, if someone thinks god exists because they think the kalam/teological/ontological/etc argument is sound or they have "felt him", even if they couldn't find a flaw with that argument, it wouldn't be rational for them to change their mind until after they can find where the mistake was in their other reasoning.

[@thomaskanke7922]

@@Elrog3 Actually its completely your world view that contradicts itself. You have no explanation how a universe that is made of space, time and matter came into existence from nothing. Nothing can't create anything, especially anything so complex. At some point there had to be a beginning in this universe from a external power wich can't be "nothing" logically speaking. If God would be affected by time,space or matter he wouldn't be God. We as christinans simply belive God created the universe, with a Bible thats still accurate in comparison to Hebrew, Greek Manuscripts found thousands of years back. But to go back on topic, you can't prove that God doesn't exist, therefore can't prove anything. Also existence is a noun wich doesn't create any foundational platform for a argument having to do with proving or disproving God.

[@Elrog3]

@@thomaskanke7922 "You have no explanation how a universe that is made of space, time and matter came into existence from nothing." - Its a good thing that isn't my position then. I reject something coming from nothing. "At some point there had to be a beginning in this universe from a external power" - How do you know that? If we go down this route, I'm it could be a lengthy conversation. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to delve in on that. "existence is a noun wich doesn't create any foundational platform for a argument having to do with proving or disproving God." - Its a word and it has a meaning (like all words necessarily do). And that meaning includes verbs, which include time. If other words can be the basis for arguments, why can't this one be part of an argument against god? The entire English language is predicated upon there being time and I'd venture as far as to say the entirety of human reason is predicated upon there being time. To try and 'step outside time' and then proceed to describe describe something is just utter nonsense. There is no valuable insight to be had from that.

[@covergirl0915]

Thank you for your example Pastor Jeff. God bless you

[@edvinas77777]

I love your gentleness when you witness Jeff! praise our Lord JESUS!

[@NkredibleHulk]

We are a living soul....souls are eternal..before sin we were eternal and Christ can redeems us from death and bring us to eternal life...we have to spend eternity either in heaven or hell and when we reject Christ and the truth we spend eternity based on that choice.

[@Jesus_Saves_66]

NkredibleHulk please show me one verse that says we are eternal? Before sin yes but after sin no...

[@ericbell940]

You know this how?

[@peterock5074]

"Hail Satan" That part at the end...he may have been joking but idle words like that can be damning. Let's hope he considers what Jeff said today.

[@justtrumpem4849]

Something has a grip on him and it isn't good. The end was just so odd. He was taking it in and as soon as Jeff was opening his eyes something comes over him and he doesn't want to even give it a chance. How can you acknowledge that you still hold on to some of your Christian views or morals but then turn around and say something so despicable as in "hail satan". (I cringe as I type that.)

[@enduromite]

Blown away by ending. Praying that Josh finds his way back to Jesus.

[@surveyingfleaproductions]

Powerful! God bless you and Josh man. I hope he comes back to the faith.

[@angelaswift9908]

@19:21 ????"hail" ? Who? Josh said that as he walked away from mr. Jeff why all that conversation that's why he looked uncomfortable the entire time because he had the spirit of the enemy

[@jimmyharrison5411]

I have been watching Pastor Jeff for years and applaud what he is doing. This one is probably one of the saddest to me because the young man truly looked like he wanted to know our Lord Jesus but something is holding him back. I pray that a seed was planted in Josh.

[@joshuamartin1999]

Amen brother

[@kigo641]

His pride 😞

[@nightshade99]

I guess the last statement summed it all up. Why call yourself a nihilist then?

[@sanctuary7276]

that ending, hard to hear, perhaps not so hard to fathom...thanks Jeff, that was a really encouraging way to engage, but sad way to end. Bless you.

[@Hegetstheglory]

I’m in tears because this sounds just like someone so dear to me. It feels like true heartbreak just thinking about it. May God leave the 99 and pursue the 1! This guys foundation was on sand, not rock but he has the little foundation to know. Mustard seed, guys!!!!