Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Full Skills List Breakdown

[@Sandokiri]

There's one other important thing about Persuasion that stands to be mentioned - you can dump Charisma and still be a social character or Intimidate monster. The **Acolyte** background allows you to get Persuasion as a class skill, and to roll it on **Wisdom**. If you don't need Charisma for your class mechanics (bard, skald, bloodrager, oracle, paladin, most sorcerers, some arcanists, some clerics) then the background becomes a free +4 point buy. Plus, you get to be an *insightful* talky character, not just someone who can grab attention with style.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup great call out.

[@WTFsenseilol]

I've noticed that while traveling, in 1.0, I started making automatic Lore: Nature checks. I believe they are somehow tied to travel speed in the worldwound, which would mean that it is actually really important.

[@SlanderedGaming]

It's related to fatigue and exhaustion. This might work differently in the full game but I have played with both low and high Nature parties and didn't notice a difference.

[@Nikioko]

Perception is important to find locations

[@xtxschmidt]

After you take Drezen, the innkeeper at the Half Measure tavern sells goggles that give +10 perception and some benefits to bows. Popped that on Arue and now she has a +28 perception. Take that DC 30 perception checks

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup I did the exact same thing. Whoever my archer is definitely gets them.

[@Caelinus]

I made Lann a perception/DPS character and those are on him for sure. His perception is 37 now at level 11.

[@jeffreymeehan3567]

I would say that Lore: Religion is still important after unlocking teleportation portals because it ALSO helps determine how often you can rest while dungeon delving. If you have lots of Lore: Religion, you know that you can rest and regain your spells and per-day abilities more often, which means you can be a bit more generous with using your refreshable resources which, in turn, makes combat encounters a lot easier. Still not as important as Perception, though.

[@SlanderedGaming]

GREAT point that I didn't consider. Yeah definitely that helps keep it's stock high.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Fun Fact and a related tip that affects skills: People who got used to just ignoring the books you find in Kingmaker probably do want to collect them in WotR. Just put them in your personal stash chest if you don't want to lug them around. But just *having* some of them (they don't need to be on you or even in the stash you carry everywhere) will give small but helpful bonuses to some skills, depending on the specific book. I have already got over half a dozen of these and so far I'm only just now finishing Act II (I entered the dungeons under Drezen). I won't say which ones or what bonuses they give ('spoilers") just a general tip: don't ignore the random-seeming books. Not all of them are useful for skill boosts, but enough of them are...

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oh wow thanks for nothing that. I don't remember seeing that in the beta at all. I will check for it this time.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

@@SlanderedGaming yeah it will show up in your Abilities with the name of the book that gives the bonus (usually a circumstance bonus) under your abilities on your character sheet.

[@SlanderedGaming]

@@Porphyrogenitus1 Nice I will check on that.

[@rpgguyi8076]

You just need to read them 1 time, no point in keeping them

[@seabird8147]

I’ll say re: Aracana, any vendor (ime) will identify any unidentified items automatically for free if you open their shop inventory, so you’re not missing out on the items entirely without any arcana skill points

[@SlanderedGaming]

To me that feeling of picking up an amazing weapon and equipping it right then and there is crucial. You are right though there are ways around it.

[@manbearscienetist1374]

Use Magic Device has one important role: it can be used to cast Mage Armor on non-casters. This allows them to benefit from Archmage Armor, which only works if you cast the spell on yourself. Access to a 5-14 armor bonus without a dexterity cap can be a big survivability increase. It can also be used to cast other personal buffs for hard fights, such as divine power, eaglesoul, and mirror image. Finally, there are a few specific Use Magic Item skillchecks in the game.

[@SlanderedGaming]

You can do that with brew potions as well though correct? No skill involved to swallow a potion and get mage armor.

[@manbearscienetist1374]

@@SlanderedGaming You can use potions without it, but you will need to invest a feat somewhere to make them yourself. Nenio comes with Scribe Scroll, so Mage Armor scrolls will always be available.

[@SlanderedGaming]

@@manbearscienetist1374 Yeah that is a good point.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

@@manbearscienetist1374 Could you not solve the issue by ranking Knowledge World to make Nenio the party potion brewer as well? (Legitimate question - I never got far enough into the first game to need to brew potions and I play on the easiest mode, but I know you can give your party the skills that are useful to you as a player that you don't necessarily want on the MC)

[@FuckoffgoogleGetDoxxed]

Thats just one spell, how about 20 other op spells you can scroll and cast even if you have opposite magic school? Deff more op than you realise. Its just tedious to do and the inherent idea of the concept is outside power. So people tend to hate or neglect it.

[@pb4977]

Cool material, you speak in a straightforward yet eloquent manner. Also -> radio voice ^^

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you!

[@sergiomessias3691]

Late to the party, playing this game in 2023. Great content!!! 🎉 Thanks have been binging on your channel

[@SlanderedGaming]

Awesome! Glad you are enjoying the videos!

[@Alister222222]

Athletics can be powerful for a Trickster. If you take it as a mythic trick, you get to roll an athletics check to resist and/ or break any negative effect that goes on you. Also, if you pump it to max, you can take the Greater Mythic Trick version that will set your BAB to be your athletics rank - full BAB sorcerer FTW!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Honestly everything Trickster has is pretty freaking bananas. That's why taking a character that gets a lot of different skills is a great choice when playing them.

[@jeffreymeehan3567]

I would rank Knowledge: World above Lore: Nature for the simple fact that Know: World is also used for cooking (which does not require a feat to use). Of course cooking isn't essential either but it DOES provide some nice buffs and beneficial effects, which also includes delaying fatigue rolls. I wouldn't rank it much higher, but it definitely has more utility than Lore: Nature.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Ooooooo that's a very good point! I completely forgot about cooking thank you!

[@gordonmcinnes8328]

The way to look at skills is this: In your party you need to cover ALL the skills: Athletics, Mobility, ALL the knowledges, Stealth, Persuasion, Trickery to some degree. Look at whether it is a class skill for a party member and also the stat associated with the skill. Also Use Magic Device is BRILLIANT for giving non-spell using classes access to spells, it can can be particularly useful if you are buffing before a fight and your casters have multiple spells to cast, if the fighter/rogue/whatever is able to buff themselves they can help the action economy of the casters PLUS the ability to heal is priceless sometimes. Also highest Perception Possible @ level 1? Half-elf druid with 20 wisdom, skill focus and alertness = +16 - worth it as a mercinary if not a pc.

[@SlanderedGaming]

All facts I definitely agree with this. Nice combo for the high perception.

[@paperred5128]

Knowledge checks are all good too for identifying enemies, Arcana id's pretty much all the outsiders like Demons. The Demonslayer (rogue archetype) is a monster with Arcana checks to id stuff. Makes a fairly good segway class into Student of War prestige class, which is a monster at any skill check (Loremaster likewise for casters). Trickster also makes playing the PC as a skill-monkey super fun~

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup I definitely plan to combine a skill monkey build with Trickster.

[@Nikioko]

Perception has always been the most important skill. While for other checks you let roll the charakter with the highest skill level, percerption is normally rolled by all characters. So, a high perception level for everyone increases the chances that at least one character will notice something.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup I agree wholeheartedly.

[@derekclark5875]

Thanks for the video, man. Great point about having high perception on more than one character in case of a failed check. I hadn't thought about that at all. A surprise fireball to the face really ruins my dungeon exploration, so I need to get someone else leveled asap =)

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yup it's definitely a great idea.

[@JackdawLT]

Would Tricksters mythic tricks change skill usefulness? Would the ranking change any?

[@SlanderedGaming]

I would place Persuasion at the top of the list, then perception, and then knowledge arcane magic.

[@jlushefski]

Are there situations where only the main character makes a check? In Kingmaker, there were several times where the main character had to make persuasion attempts for instance.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Not nearly as many as Kingmaker. I cannot think of any major combat sequences you have to do on your own however, a couple of the Mythic paths do have you making Persuasion checks based on your own skill. Demon and Trickster come to mind.

[@XYZ-em5vu]

You'll find boots that give bonus ranged damage for you perception ranks, so yeah perception is a must

[@SlanderedGaming]

Oh nice I haven't found those yet. Definitely going to stick them on Lann.

[@nemaemanema3940]

do you get out of stelt when attacking, when using the trickster mythic path with 2nd rank of stelt skill, that makes it act as a greater invis? And will that give you sneak attack dmg when attacking with ranged weapons? A ranged Thug Rogue springs to mind coupled with the persuasion trickery skill to frighten everyone away while you peck them from range.

[@SlanderedGaming]

That is a very powerful combination. Greater Invisibility allows you to continue attacking while staying Stealthed. I haven't specifically checked the Trickster version but see no reason why it would work differently.

[@awesome27677]

Yeah it is. i have had to make dc40 and 50 perception checks but my god the items they revealed were amazing. literally god items.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Nice! Well worth it to pump that stat sky high.

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

I think I rank persuasion higher than you - I think it's vital that the MC have good persuasion, it helps so much and sometimes even opens up not just information but opportunities you otherwise wouldn't get. Plus it's needed for that expensive feat-tree that leads ultimately to Dreadful Carnage. That said you're right that once we get to this part of the list, it's sort of like Tigger's Dilemma - everything starts to seem vital. Everything that's left is a priority. And maybe one can't prioritize everything (without impacting combat effectiveness - or limiting your MC out of some builds that would need a different skill distribution).

[@SlanderedGaming]

I think it is EXTREMELY vita that your TEAM has good persuasion but not necessarily the MC. From what I have seen thus far there are no situations where you are by yourself and need to persuade someone therefore it's fine to let Daeran or Seelah handle that skill.

[@androsforever500]

My mc Legend path 20 lvl Beast Rider 20 lvl two handed fighter was ridiculously op with the whole cornugon smash, shatter defences, dreadful carnage and that belt that caused shaken enemies to become frightened instead. Also equipping the Areshkagal mask on my main character and the mask of the most worthy on my wolf mount made the character pretty much unstoppable. It was hilarious to watch armies of higher demons just running away in panic as the commander approached absolutely slice and dicing them away with his Falchion XD

[@ceruleanserpent387]

Trickery is a must

[@SlanderedGaming]

Absolutely!

[@Jdemers17]

Vanish stacked with invisibility in kingmaker. Havnt checked yet in wrath but I hope it does.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I haven't tried that before so I am not sure.

[@nikoskalog8862]

Great video, very helpfull

[@SlanderedGaming]

My pleasure!

[@Marinanor]

::Rolls perception:: "First!"

[@SlanderedGaming]

LOL Always.

[@ScorpionP2C]

BTW just a personal note, if you are playing at a higher difficulty than normal (not judging, just saying) UMD becomes very very useful. Being able to whip out that scroll or wand with a high DC check on a mini-boss or major-boss fight is imperative. Not disagreeing with the ratings especially on average/normal rating but on core +ai +extra enemies, you better believe you will be emptying that hoard of stuff unless you like reloading constantly while praying to RNGeesus.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Absolutely that's why in all my feats videos I stress that I am playing on normal. On day I'll try the game out on Unfaiir but that will be after it is COMPLETELY patched. I am not going to deal with bugs AND crazy difficulties.

[@satanspy]

If i put my game on auto-crusade will i still have access to the teleporting around the world map? Thanks for all your hard work brother much love from Toronto Canada!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you for the support! No you will lose access to Teleportation if you do that.

[@ScorpionP2C]

You are so incredibly polite even in disagreeing, your comment section is (with a few exceptions) as pleasurable as your vids. Be well friend!

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you! I try to be considerate of different perspectives even if I disagree with them.

[@andrewgendreau2207]

If you're a trickster and have the persuasion mythic tricks, persuasion gets OP lol.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Yeah it's pretty awesome.

[@ulricgrey5219]

Usually I find persuasion is more used for me besides perception.

[@SlanderedGaming]

You might be missing perception checks and don't realize it.

[@jies2122]

i use magic device at the start of the game and when i fuck up and my healer is dead and i see my last save was a long time ago

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂

[@kmoney890]

How much does this apply to Kingmaker? Currently playing on console while I hope/wait for Righteous to come to consoles

[@jeffreymeehan3567]

In Kingmaker, I would say that perception is still #1, doubly so because perception check DCs are sky high for noticing hidden doors, treasure, and especially hidden locations on the world map. There isn't any crafting in Kingmaker, so that puts the importance of knowledge: world and arcana down a bit. Also, because there isn't the corruption mechanic while resting, lore: religion goes way down in importance as well. On the other hand, lore: nature is used for hunting and gathering supplies while resting in the world map, and that helps a LOT with conserving rations and not spending copious amounts of time finding food (especially since Kingmaker is a lot more timer focused, so being efficient in time management is an essential skill). Stealth is still very useful, if for no other reason than to camouflage your camp site to avoid ambushes while you rest. Trickery is also a must to unlock doors and chests. Word of advice: make sure to have an arcane trickster in the party (Octavia is almost custom built for that), as failing a lock picking check prevents that character from trying again until they raise their trickery ... but ranged legerdemain (arcane trickster lvl 1 ability) gets around that restriction. Persuasion is still super useful, as it allows you to talk your way into better outcomes during dialogue events, just like here. There are certain key points in the game that plot outcomes can depend on a persuasion role, so DO NOT neglect persuasion. Mobility and Athletics are useful for getting past certain obstacles or reaching certain areas that might have treasure or challenging encounters. Use magic device, as above, really has no utility aside from giving a character the ability to use wands and scrolls that they otherwise would not be able to cast from. Useful, but far from essential. Also, there are a LOT of skill challenges that can give boat loads of exp if you pass them (the higher the DC, the more the exp reward). And these include every skill except for use magic device. My honest opinion is to try to diversify which characters will specialize in which skills to try to get most if not all of them covered. It's also a great idea to have at least one rogue, Bard, or other "skill monkey" class character in your party who can cover multiple skills at once because they get so many skill points. And again, I cannot emphasize this enough, make sure you have at least one character with high perception.

[@SlanderedGaming]

I second everything Jeffrey said. Fantastic advice.

[@kmoney890]

Thanks for the Help!

[@jeffreymeehan3567]

I forgot, there IS cooking in Kingmaker. So having someone with high know: world is usually a good idea. Here is a breakdown of resting/camp roles (and thus what skills you need to spread out among party members) in Kingmaker: Huntering: Lore Nature Camoflage: Stealth Cooking: Know World Watch: Perception (up to 2 main participants) You CAN carry rations with you that helps alleviate the need to hunt, and you can set it so that whatever supplies your hunter isn't able to find on the first roll is taken out of your rations instead of spending more time (sometimes upwards to an entire day or more) hunting until you have enough for your entire party. Note, however, that lugging around a lot of rations gets REALLY heavy really quick and weight management is an important thing until pretty much end game (where your party has so many boosts to strength that it doesn't really matter). Also, you cannot hunt or cook in dungeons, so how often you're ability to rest and regain spells/abilities is entirely dependent on how many rations you have, which means you don't want to waste those while traveling of you can help it.

[@kmoney890]

@@jeffreymeehan3567 Yeah currently a Level 3 Ranger want to see how far I can take him with a melee build, also might try to dip into sorcerer or something later for the fun of it. Noticing my weight is on average high medium - low high. Do animal companions count towards storage capacity? Hoping the Wolf I pick up next level can contribute Edit: Not really looking to min max or anything and moreso doing what’s appealing but would it be possible for me to take Eldritch Scion (mostly for the Dragon bloodline, dragons are neat) but also it sounds like the class is inherently built for Melee and Magic if I’m not mistaken? Don’t expect to be at the ceiling potential for either classes but the play style and idea is to cool for me to not try

[@Xinderkan]

So you're saying my horse shouldn't be the only one trained in perception? Interesting.

[@SlanderedGaming]

LOL absolutely not. Spread the love around.

[@TheSushiandme]

This game is a full time job with OT... im so stress playing this game... playing on core... so hard

[@SlanderedGaming]

LOL It's probably not for the faint of heart but I am trying to make it a little easier for people.

[@JDuel100]

I have a problem with games like this. I need ALL the skills on my main. o.o Which... usually ends up with me making a Rogue or something with Max possible intelligence that is absolute crap at combat. But hey, my Master of all has +12 or so in all skills by Act 2. >.

[@SlanderedGaming]

LOL Yeah it's nice there are some builds that actually benefit from lots of skills.

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

Arcana is best on a wizard so you can learn spells good way to learn more outside your level ups. I can not stress how right you are on perception who even you got for this for the love of good get them alertness on top and no it is not a sacrifice on a feat trust me its a +4 on perception and your second guy should be about that under 4 or 6 under is okay but you will miss so much with out this being pumped up.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Interesting when I start a new playthrough I will take this feat on someone and see if I feel like more is being discovered.

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

@@SlanderedGaming It also makes it so they cant be caught flat footed or surprised meaning less of them ambushed sneak attacks but for me it did seem to help having that +4 for resting and adventuring both on over map and inside maps for loot. quite a few of them ? spots that are just regent pick ups.

[@ArantyrDarkhand]

Animal companions come with perception, stealth mobility and athletics. And 4 points to expend. Then you character can get trickery, persuasion and the lores.You just need more intelligence. haha.

[@benalias9118]

4 points per level ? I was pretty sure that my horse had only 2

[@ArantyrDarkhand]

@@benalias9118 why my centiped gets 4?

[@SlanderedGaming]

I think Centipedes get a boost on skill points compared to other animal companions. I know the Triceratops, Smilodon, Horse, and Rapter only get 2.

[@jospehjack]

Your wrong. Perception in King, Queen, Prince and Princess. lol.

[@SlanderedGaming]

😂😂😂

[@dirtyizzy8566]

bump

[@SlanderedGaming]

Thank you!