RANT: Why Most Cycling Shoes Suck (Looking for the perfect Alternative Cycling Shoe!)

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[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Some audio hiccups in the first few seconds but then goes away.

[@adamdavis40208]

I'm just imagining there was cursing in the background that you all had to bleep

[@jaysmith1055]

Russ, have you tried the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst Pedals? I've bought them for my Rawland rSogn and love them! They are larger than the standard flat pedal, providing more stability for your foot and better power transfer and don't require the shoes to be as stiff in the sole because the pedal provides the support for your foot and not the shoe. Would be great to see you do a review of these! pedalinginnovations.com/

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Jay Smith check out our livestream today.

[@jaysmith1055]

@@PathLessPedaledTV I'll try, depends on the timing...I'm in Sydney Australia. Keep up the great work you do!

[@jaysmith1055]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Just refreshed your youtube home page and realised that it has already streamed...I'll watch it with much interest!

[@muskadobbit]

We need to convince Altra to make a cycling shoe. And not just for men, and not just in the US.

[@ericpmoss]

Totally. I am now riding Altra MT 1.5 (?) trail running shoes that have a very firm rock plate and a firmer, thinner midsole and Vibram outersole. One of the great things, besides the big toe box, is that the grip is really good, both on the pedal, and on the ground if one has to put a foot down.

[@c_steve_j]

I was getting tired of the toe-crunching of the Columbia's I was using for cycling so I decided to try out my Altra Lone Peak 4.0's and immediately felt better in the toes. I've been using the Lone Peaks ever since. Haven't noticed any wear and tear on the bottoms from the pedal pins. Might have to check out the Altra MT's.

[@srfive3]

Agreed. When I'm not riding I'm in Altras or Xeros. Really would like to see a sturdy flat pedal shoe with a wide toebox and zero drop, as transition from first mention footwear to my riding shoes it definitely feels cramped.

[@scottjohnson1560]

I’m using the Lone Peak 4 because it’s what I had. I have no plans to change.

[@devoidbmx1]

I ride in Altra Lone Peak 4's. I am often on and off the bike (pushing it, or leaving the bike to hike or walk places). Its a great combo that works for me because Lone Peaks are my favorite hiking/walking shoe and they work great on a bike. They arn't overly torn up by the traction pins.

[@leightonbohl1920]

As a very old cyclist, I gave up on spd shoes and pedals nearly 20 years ago because they gave me foot burn on long rides; but when I tried to find ‘old fashioned’ cycling shoes for clips and straps they had disappeared from the marketplace. In my subsequent search for a replacement shoe for flat pedals I came across the Camper ‘peu’ shoe. This is an ultra lightweight, foot shaped, shoe with a leather upper and a rubber (composition of some kind) that I found perfect for flat pedal cycling, even with when using clips and straps. Although the sole is thin, the design of the shoe distributes the rider’s weight evenly across the pedal. They are super comfortable for walking, and with elastic laces can be taken on and off with minimal fuss. The uppers can be waterproofed with grease (called ‘dubbing’ in the UK) if you buy the version with a suede upper. They can be expensive, but Camper runs frequent on-line sales, or you can find bargains on ebay. I usually get about 3 years wear from a pair used for walking and cycling - and I do a lot of cycling. A 100 mile ride on mixed terrain is no problem at all. Cheers for all your splendid videos!

[@ThomasMTube]

Have a look at William Lennon. They are an old fashioned hand maker of boots in the UK. They also have a range of proper old fashioned leather cycling shoes. Might be the type of thing you were looking for.

[@bisti1900]

Try the Camper Peu Pista, the tough weather version. Tey have Gore Tex liner but the most important thing is that the sole is much thicker, with a grippier and tougher rubber compound and much more rigid. I find them perfect for flat pedals.

[@srfive3]

As much as I love a light breathable shoe, I'm very thankful to have been wearing a pair of overbuilt freeriders when I crashed my gravel bike 2 miles into a planned 45 mile commute. It wasn't until 2 days later when I got out of surgery that I noticed the knuckle of my toes were black and blue on my right foot. If it wasn't for the reinforced rubber toecap and stiffer material on the shoes, probably would have broken my toes too. Still riding the same undamaged pair today, however the rest of my clothing disintegrated or otherwise melted to my flesh. For the one person who might read this, I had a chain drop during a downhill sprint in the highest gear.

[@jp93309]

Canvas Vans. I ride in Old Skools, great all around support, lightweight, breathable, durable, excellent grip because they’re made for gripping onto slippery skateboards.

[@syl_diy]

I'm trying to imagine the shoe that makes a vans seem "lightweight" an "durable"

[@Max-xl3ml]

Riding in skate shoes works pretty well but once they're broken in I find I can feel every pin and lump or bump on my pedals through the sole. Vans do make dedicated BMX shoes though so those might be just right.

[@jp93309]

Pararadis Sy Definitely lighter than those dedicated flat pedal Five Ten shoes. And cheaper, like 1/2 the price.

[@Max-xl3ml]

@@jp93309 Facts vans are wayyy lighter than any mtb shoe I've ever used. Xc mtb race shoes are probably lighter, not very walkable or casual though.

[@stevelodewick9438]

I's still cycling over in Thailand and after getting my shoes soaked in the rain multiple times I tried a pair of Keen H2 sandals and haven't worn anything else since. They have a great sole, open breathable top, have a foot shape, and can be loosened up or tightened depending on what you need at the time. There is also a Targhee sandal (couldn't find one) that probably has a slightly stiffer sole.

[@juliapoelstra3624]

Yes! Another vote for keen!

[@mikegillespie7806]

Steve Lodewick I’ve worn these year round by just adding thick wool socks (they loosen up a huge amount). In the rain they’re the best since they dry in a short time. Pins will chew at the sole, but it takes a couple of years of daily riding to have a real impact.

[@coasterigh2684]

KEEN - Yes... Keen sandals with very light ankle high socks to wick the sweat away from the sole. They are actually cooler with socks than without.

[@dog-so1vj]

I love cycling in my Keens in the summer. I used to have a pair of Merrell Water Pro's that were perfect cycling shoes for flats.

[@dogonv]

Toured Kyushu with my Keens. Foot shaped. Stiffer than average. Cool. Easy to pull off when going into temples, tho that's maybe not an issue in Montana.

[@matthiasmitu]

I highly recommend Birkenstock shoes for riding your bike. As comfortable as Crocs but with a stiffer sole. Most people only know their sandals but they produce a wide range of nice looking 'proper' shoes for all occasions. It's worth having a look.

[@valeriegeeraerts2420]

Correct! Did 2000k with them in Asia, Dinant- Barcelona and Rome to the North of France. Took some Sidi MTB shoes with me in Europe and wore them maybe 25% of the time. Birkenstock are the way forward.

[@BangTheRocksTogether]

Wow! Cool. Thanks.

[@leonjones1991]

@@valeriegeeraerts2420 thanks for sharing, Your comment made me check them out.. I'll be purchasing now!

[@Kjwestfall3]

My problem is that in size 15, my birkis are so wide they get caught on the chainstays and hit my chain. The search continues….

[@backroadbikes3778]

I always rode in VANS but now I've switched to FIVE TEN "SLEUTH" slip-ons and I love them! They look like house slippers but work very well.

[@nixternal]

My opinion, Keen! I have given up clipping in as I stopped racing road & cross. Now I take my heavy ass 920 and just tour and putt around most of the time. The Keen's I have now are easily 4 years old already and still look freakin' new, still have great tread, and are the most comfortable shoes ever. I am not going to lie, there are quite a few times where I am missing the efficiency of clipless. If Keen made a cycling shoe again, then I would go go clipless (where you can clip in on one side or ride flat on the other). I have yet to find a comfortable cycling shoe for long days on the bike and that are good for walking on in a store (I've tried them all through the shop, Shimano, Bontrager, Specialized, Pearl Izumi, Giro, et al). So with that I think ALL cycling shoes suck, unless Keen makes a pair again :)

[@MrWotamonkey]

I really enjoyed this, thanks. As a reformed road cyclist and triathlete I’ve always found the shoe problem taxing; I’d love a shoe that was good for cycling and trail running, but finding something stiff enough for one and flexible enough for the other feels like searching for unicorn poop. Altra trail shoes are a good call, but I’d be worried about ripping up those expensive kicks with some grippy pins. Thanks for everything you do, you really are a force for good.

[@tjpengful]

Hi Rus, as a chiropractor and applied kinesiologist, people have different size feet some are wider and actually some people have narrow feet that looks like 'industrial design shoe". But as people age and your arches and support from muscles and ligaments support less of your body's weight and stress the feet becomes wider. Like in the Runner's world there's two philosophy minimalist(forefood) strikers, and the opposite is heel strike the one your wear from Hoka that is the more supportive shoe, I actually recommend a more supportive cycling shoe but wider the the forefoot for the size of your feet or you can work on your feet and strengthen them and make them a little more narrow to fit most shoes. i.e. The yoga pose virasana kneeling with the block between your feet and squeezing your ankles into the block and doing heel lifts on a stair step or off a curb.

[@rimtism123]

I had the SPD version of the Chrome shoes. I couldn't deal. The back portion would tear up my heel every time because it's so thin. Now I just wear Vans with flat pedals. They're flat, the waffle sole is proven in skateboarding and BMX and a fresh pair costs $50.

[@Alexdrod]

I think the cycling community is its own enemy sometimes. When I started cycling, I was super turned off by how much cyclists value conformity and mocking those who don't wear their "uniform". I've been using old running shoes for my flat pedals. Works for me and they're way lighter than typical shoes. When someone suggest flats to me, I thought it was funny because many of the options out their look like skate shoes from the 90s. Drop doesn't bother me, VIVA RUNNING SHOES!

[@brianvannostrand7762]

Running shoes won't cut it when you are pointed down the side of a mountain and really need grip. There's a reason enduro racers don't wear running shoes. Different equipment has a place in different applications.

[@JeffOehlsen]

I am right here with you. I like being clipped into my pedals if I am training, but when I am riding with the dogs, no. My feet do not align the way cycling shoes make you either. I look like a duck. Bottom line, wear the shoes that work for the riding you do. If I had the money, for sure I would start a shoe company

[@heichelbech]

Amen Alex. Old running shoes are exactly the right equipment for riding at the party pace. I hope Russ' video gets us some supple biking shoe options though. I bike in Teva sandals when its hot sometimes.

[@samchoung4406]

I said the same thing when I took my first trip to a bike park. Despite crashing many times and losing rear brake on the rental bike, the part of my body that hurt at the end of the day was my feet from using tennis shoes. Those 510's are a must for steep trails and bike parks.

[@gregkosinski2303]

@@heichelbech well yeah obviously if you’re just putzing around, a set of flip-flops will do.

[@aaronblonden6774]

I've been on this journey with you. Glad you are talking about it. I switched to flats and have been mostly using xeroshoes I have four types or my pair of new balance minimal trail runners. Those work really well for me. I don't use my mtb pin pedals though. I switched to odyssey twisted flats on every bike. Cheap and contoured platform. The thin sole let's your feet really set into the pedal. I'm glad I switched after years of clipless. I really think I'll only ride clipless in the winter. Hike a bike is way better in these shoes. The fault you mentioned with thin ness is probably true of all of the main minimal shoe makers. Those lems trailhead will probably be my next go.

[@Charles-pg6wx]

I recently started cycling in the Keen Solr sandal, which Keen lists both as a hiking sandal and a water shoe. They aren't light (mine currently weigh 366 grams each for size 11, some of that is probably dust). But they are breathable, great to walk in, more than stiff enough for cycling, and do fine with water. I haven't forded a river in them but wouldn't hesitate to do so. I've done 70-mile days on gravel with them and been happy all day. Unfortunately after about 500 miles I can see that the soles are starting to get torn up by my pedals. It isn't terrible but there is visible wear. Not sure how long they will last. At $110 MSRP I would need to get at least a couple seasons out of them to justify the cost. We'll see.

[@timwatkins6559]

I'm sure you're going to get tons of suggestions here but I ride in Astral shoes a lot. Bonus for them is that they are made to have great traction on wet rocks. Also, maybe look into the climbing world for a light approach shoe. Something like the evolv cruzer might work great.

[@LoganWangsgard]

I regularly ride gravel and mountain stuff in my Cruzers and they work great; sticky on the pedals and on the trail when you need to hike a bike.

[@aaronblonden6774]

Been eyeing those!

[@grundle.chunder]

I've been wearing Astral Brewers for mountain biking around the midwest and blue ridge mountains all summer. Best I've tried yet! Loyaks have been great for more leisurely/paved riding, which is awesome since I wear them all the time anyway. Not the widest toebox ever, but wide enough that I don't think about them.

[@SeanKWhite-lk5zf]

Five Ten Trail Cross LT is the shoe you’re looking for...they are great

[@babyface775]

Yep. This is seriously the perfect shoe for me (other than being kind of expensive) and sounds like what you're looking for.

[@mygg15]

Jepp, they are wonderful! Just don’t get the mid version they get very sweaty only around the ankle because of the d3o material there.

[@christocr]

That's what I use. It's about the best flat pedal bike shoe I've found. I just wish it didn't look so much like a skate shoe or loafer.

[@SeanKWhite-lk5zf]

@@christocr I think my black Trail Cross look more like applebee waiter shoes. ;)

[@christocr]

@@SeanKWhite-lk5zf Ha, yeah, that too!

[@michaelhimbury3820]

I live in Queensland Australia, today I bought my third pair of Keen Newports. I wear these daily, wet and dry season. Stiff soal, no overhearing and ultimately comfortable. For me it's perfect for all my bikes; gravel, commute and cargo.

[@colinhili]

I respect that you do you man. I'm all for testing different kit, personally I prefer being clipped in which instantly means I have to run cycling shoes. Yet another hang-up from many years of riding on road

[@GFClocked]

We simply need more wide version shoes. 99% of shoes are for "standard width", well obviously that won't work.

[@keithmendez8559]

Am I the only one that likes to ride in vans?

[@corcaa]

No, you're not. The vans are very grippy with my flats pedals. ;)

[@jonathangapay1724]

Vans. 👌

[@shannonstrobel6727]

I started riding while wearing the canvas Vans graduated to Adidas Superstars. I use Sambas now I have no "cycling shoes"...

[@VeloObscura]

Which ones? I have some classic Vans - the kinda lowtop converse style ones and as much as I love them; I hate cycling in them. There's so much flex when I push hard out the saddle that they just bend around the pedals and hurt my feet. I have some Etnies Maranas which are more like a skate shoe and those are great. Super comfortable and a pretty rigid sole, which I like.

[@casgian3272]

Vans with my old school MKS toeclip pedals is my go-to for any commuting or general city riding and I would never look for a "replacement". I like specific cycling shoes when I specifically want them, but Vans have always been my daily riding shoe

[@amystewart9176]

I have been on the same “sole searching” journey, and finally settled on Merrell Vapor Gloves in combination with huge Catalyst Pedals from Pedal Innovations. I realized that I wanted to wear normal shoes that work both on and off the bike, and cycling specific shoes are never wide enough. I have been wearing supple foot-shaped minimalist shoes for years and didn’t want to give them up while on the bike. So I found the solution in changing my pedals rather than my shoes. I hunted for the longest flat pedal that I could find that would support my whole foot as though I were standing on the ground. I am thrilled with the Catalyst pedals. They are long enough to support your foot from ball to heel, but not wiser than traditional pedals. I can now wear any of my minimalist shoes, or even my Rothys, to bike in. I tend to ride with the crank closer to the arch of my foot now (scooted seat forward a bit) and it really helps with hill climbs and all-day riding comfort.

[@GuthrieStraw]

Me watching the video before the 06:20 mark "He should check out Lems!" Russ: Checks out Lems

[@griinder]

I think lems are made in Montana too!

[@GuthrieStraw]

@@chrisbrookshire861 I'm pretty sure Keen does, I think they're called the Commuter Bike Sandal

[@shorelinerach01]

Lems are made in Boulder Colorado. Love Lems!!!

[@karlmouck4878]

@@shorelinerach01 Sorry, but Lems are made in China. Says so right on the label inside.

[@OhadELM]

The shoe you are looking for is the Adidas Trail Cross - That’s combine the flat pedal grippy Sole From the 510 shoes, but uses mesh durable upper! It’s pretty new in the market , but I think you should give it a try especially you! 😁 It’s supposed to be the best of both worlds!

[@mickeytaylor1499]

Holy crap 140.00 bucks on amazon. are you serious ?

[@xxgg]

Two categories you should browse are... Hiking shoes & non steel toe work shoes (good solid/structured platform without aggressive traction design which isn't always best for flat pedal with screw spikes). Highly recommended.

[@mortenreippuertknudsen3576]

Agree on the hicking shoe. I have a pair of Sportiva TX3 hicking/approach shoes they really nice for flat pedals and to toeclips due to the large stiff grippy front end of the sole. (perfect fit on 1980's Campagnolo Chorus pedals with or without clips/straps)

[@bmdt81]

I had to settle for the Five Ten Freeriders. To deal with the narrow toebox issue I sized up a whole size. Still not ideal, but passable. I switched 100% to minimalist shoes for every day and running a few years ago, and getting back into mountain biking that was a real concern. I own several pairs of Lems, and have ridden some in my Boulder Boots, but they're not quite enough protection for mountain biking. I wouldn't mind them for casual riding though. Have you tried Pedaling Innovations pedals? They pretty much address the "not enough structure" shoe issue because they catch part of your heal as well as forefoot.

[@stevesecret2515]

You finally talked about a piece of equipment that I have actually used. I declare to all of the bike world----I AM NO LONGER A NOOB!

[@scottogle5498]

I'm a Keen H2 guy. Just did the Whitefish Tamarack loop in them. I'm always on the look out for a better shoe. Thanks for the video.

[@lisawhitaker8709]

+1 for me. TransAm, ST and beyond in Commuters (heavy but spd). They needed some stitch reinforcement but very breathable. Throw a paid of neoprene toe covers and merino socks into the mix and I am ready to roll.

[@MAGAIVER]

I've been using the Shimano CT-5 shoe for about 2 years, commuting with them to work every single day, walking to get lunch and also going to gym and working out with them. It is the most comfortable shoe I've ever had. I've also done a 4 day bikepacking trip with a few hours of hiking on very uneven terrain thrown in and the shoe did it fine. I like the shoe so much that I bought another pair. I also own 5 Ten Freerider shoes to ride the Enduro MTB on more technical stuff and Fizik Infinito x1 for serious XC riding but the Shimano CT-5 takes the cake overall.

[@gedrot2486]

Something people don't really mention enough when talking about shoes is how easily you can slip in and out of them and how they retain their hold onto your foot. Ideally you want a shoe that's easy to slip in and out of without having any risk of it just flopping off of your foot when you don't want it to. It was the first thing I've noticed after my first ride with the 5-10 freerider I got compared to the normal street shoes I rode with before. This is important, in my opinion at least, since due to the nature of cycling, foot injuries should be quite a bit more likely than in non-cycling activities. And having a shoe that can be easily removed by a paramedic makes things just easier for everyone involved. I'm not sure if this was an intentional design decision by the design team at 5-10 but it is going to be something I'll be looking out for when buying "cycling" shoes in the future. And considering how clipless shoes are designed however, I don't think "health" was even an afterthought. They look even less comfortable than the cheap chinese "plastic pretending to be leather"-trash I've seen in discounter stores.

[@BrianRPaterson]

Excellent video. I didn't used to think footwear choice was an interesting topic. But I've changed my mind. I rode clipless for decades - at least 25 years - and was completely bought in to the stiff, cycling-specific shoe philosophy. I loved them. Apart from setting up cleats, which always took forever to get just right. About 18 months ago I got frustrated fiddling with the cleats on some new shoes and decided to throw on some flat pedals. It turned out to be pretty awesome. The main thing is shoes don't seem to matter any more. I've ridden everything from proper Shimano MTB shoes to some cheap but fairly light hiking boots from a big box sports store. Frankly, apart from when it gets very hot, I think I prefer the boots. More grippy if I have to hike up a bit of trail, and lots of protection. If you'd asked me 2 years ago, I'd have laughed at the idea of flats. But these days I reckon they're the bees knees. AND you can wear whatever you like on your feet. That's my opinion anyway. Your mileage, as they say, may differ. Cheers

[@matthewguenther6925]

I use Pearl Izumi Drift 5787's: mesh uppers so they are pretty cool (too cool some mornings, hello neoprene booty), light, fit my foot, could use a touch more padding. After 3500+ gravel and road miles, my only real complaint is that I start to get blisters after 7-10 hours riding in them. My wife uses Pearl Izumi X-Road Fuel II's. They are essentially a trail running shoe with a stiff plate and a 2-bolt mount, she loves them and rides 90+% of the time on the flat side of her pedals, they have a similar weight to her Hoka Cliftons. This may be the shoe you are seeking, or at least very close (current is V5 ) REI carries them (or at least used to). She also has a pair of Keen cycling sandals (they unfortunately quit making) that she also loves, though they are a little heavy for my taste. My younger son rides flats and clips (yes actual toe clips) with Giro Rumble VR's with Vibram soles, they are essentially a light hiking shoe for cycling. Weigh about the same as my Vasque waterproof hiking shoes and he goes 2 sizes larger. For me, my feet run narrow and long (ironically shaped like a standard road shoe, LOL), shoes that are wide across the toes (like Keen, Merrell, New Balance, Hoka) tend to be waaaay too wide for me. When I hear someone say "Wide Toe Box", I hear "I'm going to get some nasty blisters if I wear those" I will even buy women's versions of some running shoes because they tend to run a little narrower and fit better. (and have better colors, tbh) Cheers

[@CanadianSledDog]

I use flat pedals and Altra Superiors for bikepacking and Altra Lone Peaks for urban or courier riding. The difference is cushion, the Superiors are minimal cushion and the Lone Peak are standard cushion for pavement. Superiors have a "superior" front tread area when pushing the bike up steep gravel trails. Both are zero drop and the arch is the highest part of the shoe. Both stand up to flat pedals well for me. I'm so in love with those shoes.

[@amyl7113]

I’ve been cycling in Teva hiking sandals for two summers now and they’re wonderful with MKS lambda pedals. Extremely comfortable, fairly stiff for cycling, and the sole is very grippy and durable. If it’s a bit cold, merino or waterproof socks will take the edge off

[@wisebjames]

I have a wide foot and find most all shoe manufacturers forget about us. Tried all the available bike shoes at the local bike shops and they're all made for pointy toed ppl 🤦‍♂️

[@raneksi]

Same issue for me

[@krob9145]

I also take a wider rounder toed shoe so I never bothered with cycling shoes when I noticed all were pointy toed. Getting bigger sizes just to fit the width doesn't work. Your feet end up shifting up and down the extra length with toes getting jammed part of the time leaving sore and blistered feet. I like my toes healthy. I use the stiffer soled trainers/sneakers (leather made) or leather hiking boots for rainiest days. Running shoes are just too flexible to handle rides more than 20 minutes and my skin can't stand crocs.

[@madnilo]

Been using the Nike Free line shoes for everything in life for years. It’s light, breathable, wide and comfy. Lasts long and old ones turn into my cyclying shoes and last even longer (as they’re never being walked on). I can feel and grip to my plastic pedals much better with the thin soles, and zero need for aggressive bolted pedals. I should point out that I ride gravel most days and do some casual jumps, but don’t see why it would be a problem even on mtb.

[@TheGotoGeek]

I'm using Altra Lone Peaks right now, and reasonably happy. Zero drop, 25mm thick sole. Lace management is an issue though. I'm about ready to try designing my own shoes.

[@SuperGfei]

Same here. Bought them for backpacking, but they're nice for biking too.

[@bobtilton3024]

@@SuperGfei Yep on the Altra or really any trail running shoe as it just makes sense for adventure biking.

[@zfinch2008]

Chacos 3/4 seasons. I use wool socks or waterproof socks when the weather dictates. When I'm forced to wear closed toe shoes, I just use whatever. Waterproof hiking shoes tend to be my go-to for nasty winter conditions.

[@dusanmal]

You missed a category that I typically use though I don't have favorite and offering changes yearly: casual cleated shoes with recessed (typically SPD) cleat, typically comes with cleat cover. Advantage of this category for me is that most of them have sole stiffness just right (maybe engineering need to mount a cleat requires it). Also, most of them are more ergonomically shaped (though for traditionalists with the feet fitting the specs, old cramped fashion models do exist too). Most of them are reasonably light too.

[@blaironeil9235]

+1 - I really need the stiff sole for all-day mountain rides. I am running some older Pearl Izumi "touring shoes" (which is no longer made... but they have others that are similar like the Men's X-ALP Canyon). Recessed cleats with cover, good breathable mesh, good foot shape and comfortable toe box (for me anyway), and comfortable for walking too. Sole is tough enough to stand up the steel pins of flat pedals. Also, a tough outer edges of the sole so hike-a-bike in sharp rocks is OK and you have all the foot support you need for not get "foot fatigue" -

[@rustyshackleford9498]

Hey Russ! As a big time trail runner turned cyclist, I wouldn't hate seeing some of your running content as well. Get some Altras or Topos though. Also, Ryan Van Duzer wears a pear of sandals that have 2-bolt cleat mounts. I think they're keen brand. Wears them on a lot of his road tour videos, like the love cycles series. Last, it seems like a good solution may just be a set of pedals with fixie style straps.

[@bradsanders6954]

I would love some good fitting sandals with toe protection and a stiffer flat pedal sole. Ventilation is a good thing...........I use Catalyst pedals,great foot support.

[@nixternal]

Correct, Duzer wears the Keen sandles. If he has the SPD mounts, he has the old ones, Keen stopped making them :(

[@rustyshackleford9498]

@@nixternal that sucks they stopped making them. I never tried them and probably wouldn't now if they were still made, but they were a great alternative option for a lot of people.

[@nixternal]

@@rustyshackleford9498 I will only purchase & wear Keen shoes now. I was an Adidas fan since high school, but their shoes have gotten made crapper every year. I've tried them all and they would never last me 2 years. I tried Merrell because everyone swore by them. They didn't make it 2 years either. My current Keen's I've had since at least 2016 if not earlier, and they are still in great condition & I wear them in to the water quite a bit while out for a ride or kayaking. And to top it off, most comfortable shoe I've worn next to K-Swiss shoes from the 80s & early 90s :D

[@jamisonswift8320]

I actually ride all summer in my Chaco sandals. They hold to my feet really well, and enough of a footbed to give me protection from the flat pedal grips.

[@jayminor9757]

My 2 choices are both clip-less but for my hard to fit feet, these have worked well for me. #1- Sidi Mega Dominator MTB shoes which are heavy, I admit but very comfortable and extremely durable even in hot tropical weather. Over the last 20 years I have ridden more than 70000 k in them, much of that in southern Thailand and with appropriate socks have never had heat related issues with my feet nor with the 3 pairs of these shoes that I’ve owned, have I had other foot problems such as cramping and burning sensations. I must also mention that I ride off and on road using Time Attac pedals. #2 - Keen MTB sandals which, admittedly, are a bit heavy but, like most Keen foot wear are shaped like the average human foot and have a very comfortable, supportive foot bed. These are not great for extended rides but for a couple of hours, during monsoon season they are amazing, I’m an old guy of almost 66 years and I stick with things that work for me.

[@douglaswhite6594]

I bought a pair of Altra Lone Peak 4's specifically for a gravel adventure where I opted for flat pedals. Maybe you should check out their line of shoes. I like them in that capacity. Or you could just drill "speed holes" in Birkenstock clogs! Felix Starck used them quit a bit, if not exclusively in his documentary "Pedal the World."

[@travishumburg440]

I tried Strayes high top skate shoes and I have a super wide foot... they aren’t as floppy as a croc, and I got the mystery-hi ($30/pair) They seems slightly wider than Vans, but I’d follow the suggestions on sizing.... kitchen scale says 400g per shoe, but that doesn’t seem correct.

[@alexandergilmour8451]

My favourite cycling shoe is the Shimano S.P.D sandal,one of the main issues that I have with shoes is inevitably on a multi day trip you get wet and shoes take forever to dry out. With the sandals you have multiple options for sock thickness or indeed no sock at all, add Porelle socks and or overshoes, instant winter footwear. Granted they are still heavy but I can live with that.

[@siffoine]

Inov8 trail running shoes are great, especially in winter. Heel height is from 3-12mm depending on the model.

[@DIY-DaddyO]

Is there such a thing as some kind of rigid insole to provide some stiffness that could be removed for walking?

[@David-ks7bs]

I've recently purchased cheap hiking shoes from Decathlon, and they work surprisingly well with my Diety Deftrap pedals. Their sole is very stiff and semi-flat, and the shoes themselves are lightweight and breathable.

[@bikingchupei2447]

i'm a frequent decathlon customer, may i know which model hiking shoes you got?

[@peglor]

Five tens aren't durable enough. As soon as you puncture the sole, which I've done in a matter of months with hard off road mileage on Hope pedals, and stand on wet surfaces, the shoe draws water into the hole, which soaks straight into my sock, giving me wet feet even on dry spins. Previous to five tens I used ordinary running shoes and they actually lasted longer, because even though the pedal pins chewed the sole, they used closed cell foam between the outsole and the insole, so no water could get through. I like the superior toe protection with Five Tens over normal shoes. I have some Ride Concepts shoes too - they're a little lighter than the Five Tens, and may have a closed cell foam layer between the sole and the insole to keep the water out. I've worn through the rubber on them with biketrials use and there seems to be a hard layer behind the rubber, but they haven't been used in the wet yet.

[@edge8edge]

Hi Russ.... check out the "Five Ten Trailcross LT Mountain Bike Shoes" These do have the Stealth sole for that great grip on flat pedals. They have more of the look and feel of a trailcross shoe for running but they are mostly specific to cycling. Not that "over built" look of previous 5/10's. Breathable mesh upper too. Weight is little over 300G I believe. A couple open ports to help with water drainage on each side of the sole. Looks good in theory although I haven't seen that work yet. I do have a pair and they are nice but they do tend to run on the narrow side. I am not a MTB rider and my rides are more like yours. Longer and gravel, rail trails etc. So the narrow part comes into play after a lot of miles. I feel the tightness in them at that time. So I'm still on a journey of finding the right one but these might work if they made them wider. Great job as always! Thanks

[@michaelhotten752]

www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-TrailCross-SL-2020

[@jessetremaine4390]

I love riding in the 5.10 Access. The “approach” shoes have a slim stack, grippy but durable rubber, and are much lighter than the dedicated 5.10 mtb shoes.

[@tmyprod]

In the summer of 2019 I rode across the country in a pair of crocs and absolutely loved them! My usual go to bikepacking shoes are the La Sportiva Bushidos trail runners that are stiff, lightweight, and can hike well. I've also had great success with using approach shoes (like the La Sportiva TX2) for mountain biking as they have stiff, grippy soles and tend to lightweight and breathable. The main downside with approach shoes I've found is that they have zero traction in muddy hike-a-bike sections that are common up in Alaska. In the winter I'll use mountaineering boots on my fat bike and if it's really cold I'll stuff my ski book liners in some studded, insulated overboots (like the Neos Navigatiors) and my toes will stay toasty down to -30f!

[@astro61362]

Interesting video Russ. As a runner, my retired running shoes turn into my cycling shoes. But, I am always open to trying something else. I may even have to give the Crocs a try!

[@robertbonner5973]

I agree , the 5 10’s are definitely over built , which does make the hot and heavy,however, they do last a long time .

[@rintoule]

Robert Bonner I had two pairs where the sole delaminated from the upper. Great grip but poor construction. Enough said.

[@karlmouck4878]

Very timely video, Russ. Just 2 days ago I ordered a pair of flat pedals to put on my road bike. Yes, flat pedals on my road bike. Heresy I know. So I've been trying to decide what shoes to wear with my new flat pedals. Right now I'm leaning towards Vans.

[@robinheil]

I agree with your line of thinking that most cycling shoes (and most shoes in general) are constricting and crippling our feet. Picked up a pair of Altra Lone Peaks this spring, and they have been great on the bike. But I just checked, and they are indeed starting to get chewed up. Might only last until the end of next year...

[@sagehiker]

robinheil They don’t last real long on the trail either ;)

[@bigmac3006]

Is the chukka breathable? Great vid!

[@chrisdavis837]

I wear a pair of faux combat boots from Walmart. Solid platform for pressing against the pedal, thick-ish and comfortable sole for walking off the bike, and ankle support for my soon to be geriatric joints. I love them, but think they might be too heavy and warm for some. I would think all the positives I have from those boots could be achieved with a decent work shoe with a comfortable insert.

[@bryanbooya]

I’d love to see Adidas Sambas but with a Vibram sole in a simple pattern and a nylon stiffener. Little or no EVA cushioning. Not overbuilt or over padded. Lots of laces to secure the foot and adjust fit. Style that departs from the cycling shoe standard for both MTB and Roadies. Definitely all-road!

[@paulojrg]

Samba are already perfect, solid, fairly stiff sole, flat, the leather accommodates to your feet, durable, that sole grips to the pins of the pedals like an octopus to a rock, my only gripe with them is that when they get wet they are a pain to dry but it also makes them easier to conform to your foot, put some MTB booties on and you solve the problem easily.

[@danielfeary]

wait, doesn't that exist already? The Five Ten Sleuth DLX

[@michaelhlaban199]

I share your sentiments on most cycling shoes, however, I recently scooped up a pair of the newer Shimano GR5 flat pedal shoes, and they might be worth a, look! "Foot" shaped, wider toebox, breathable enough, sticky, stiff enough to pedal, soft enough that i don't bring a change of shoes when I commute to work, not boat anchor heavy, and not 5.10 chunky. I've been really happy with them, and they've pretty quickly become the go to.

[@BobInVT]

I switch back and forth pretty frequently between clipless and flats, but when riding flats my go-to shoes are a pair of Keen light hikers. I have no idea what they weigh, but they are plenty wide, the sole is a little stiffer than running shoes, and tough enough to handle the traction pins. And they are great for walking when off the bike.

[@aaronsnethen1523]

I ride in Merrell's Trail Glove which is a barefoot trail shoe. Doesn't have a stiff sole, but I get some pretty good stick on my pedal. And they don't weight a ton.

[@driventomadness117]

Same here. Mine are close to the years old now and within an inch of their life but still comfortable.

[@Pallixander]

Thanks. I am new to mountain biking and have been using my Merrell Trail Glove shoes. On the plus side: They are also footshaped (mostly), have a stiff sole and are light (230 g for 1 shoe) The negatives are: they try to shape my foot a little in a uncomfortable way and worst of all; they lack protection of the toes - a thing I was just made aware of by some rocks on my local trail. So I need something else...

[@Pallixander]

By the way: you are the first person on the planet presenting a decent argument to buy crocs...

[@pcolmenaresg]

@Path Less Pedaled, what's your take on the recent Adidas Velosamba? they seem to be the newer to this gap in the market

[@syl_diy]

Five Ten has a model called "trailcross" they released this year, supposed to be a dual purpose hike & bike shoe. Just ordered a pair, have high hopes...

[@JeromeBergquist]

I came to say the same thing. I've been riding then all season and I really like them. Way lighter than my Shimano AM7s, and much cooler too.

[@marketmavin3890]

Had mine all season also and love them. They are a little skinny though not bad but might not work for a wide foot.

[@JeromeBergquist]

@@marketmavin3890 I have large feet that are pretty wide, and I'm happy with them, though I'm at the limit of width, and wearing the biggest size they make. There isn't any extra length, so those with normal human size feet could probably size up half a size and get some extra space.

[@ryansmall5419]

Have the trailcross and think they're great. Basically an Adidas trail running shoe with Five Ten sole. For clipless the Shimano downhill shoe is great, especially if you like a wide toe box.

[@marketmavin3890]

@@JeromeBergquist Ha I wear a 13 too! Sounds like Russ likes his shoes sloppy and these are a more form fitting. It checks all my boxes though!

[@amrcncllctble]

So, is the foot-shape a thing because you find the middle area too skinny? I have the opposite problem, I have rather narrow feet, and even shoes that are reviewed as being more narrow fit me kinda loose. I have a pair of 5.10 Kestrel BOA, and I love them, but they are still kinda wide.

[@asorens21]

I use slip on Vans while riding my MTB for now. Longest ride on them is around 27 miles of Urban/trail Riding. No complaints yet.

[@bikerbearph]

Been waiting for this shoe video! Awesome work as always!

[@Conversationpace87]

Dude it sounds like you just have a wide ass foot. Also are you saying the EVA midsole gets torn up by pedal pins but a soft n' squishy Croc does not? I'm not calling you out I'm just really surprised to hear that.

[@SiopaoSauc3]

Agreed.

[@politan83]

Russ, I would be very curious to hear what you would think about other minimalist shoes. I wear Xero Shoes Xcursions, which do run a bit hot but are otherwise quite grippy and have, for minimalist shoes, a relatively rigid sole. I didn't get the Xcursions with biking in mind- if I were doing that I would try the Mesa Trails, also from Xero. P.S. I would also love to see you try, and report on, the Catalyst Pedals (did I see those on the Kona Libre Aluminum you recently reviewed?) I appreciate your work!

[@GS-vb3zn]

Two years late to the party here but… Vans Comfy Kush slip-on’s. Fairly light weight- 280g, Toebox protection, comfortable, comes in a variety of colors and styles, canvas or suede (in my experience the canvas breaths better than this suede but the suede seems to be warmer in colder months)

[@jaioxung]

I bike in No Bull trainers. It's a Crossfit shoe; 0 drop, not super heavy, somewhat breathable, decent room in toe box

[@TheOnlyDanCarson]

What about Altra trail shoes? Famous for being foot-shapped and zero drop ✨

[@sventice]

Thank you for starting out with the assumption that flat pedals are a totally normal, acceptable thing for experienced cyclists to ride on. I've tried a lot of shoes, and sometimes just ride to the store in flip flops, but usually I prefer low-top hiking shoes. They're kind of stiff, durable, waterproof if you need it, comfortable, and when you get to your destination, you can, you know, walk around. They are a bit heavier than some other shoes, but if an extra 100-300g is an issue, you can always just give up cookies for a couple of weeks, and it balances itself out.

[@xophere]

Have you considered bigger pedals with the lens?

[@johnwelch557]

I have permanent damage from clipless shoes. Too narrow in the toe box. All day near agony. Several decades of riding, about 16 years clipless. Threw them away in 2005. Only use large flats, wide toe box shoes. I have according, to the doc, very average feet geometrically. Stiff souls, some cushion, breathable, WIDE toe box are key features. So far, impossible to find something "perfectly" acceptable. It's isn't about resting foot geometry, it's all about forward/aftward and side to side pressure. The doc says I'll have this problem "forever" unless more drastic measures are made. That ain't happening. Keep us abreast! Thanks!

[@MiceNine9]

I recently got a used pair of spikeless golf shoes for cycling and have been using them with mostly better results than my trail runners or my Chrome sneakers. Most are fairly structured and supportive through the mid foot, which can be beefed up with a rigid insole. Lots of brands make wide and extra wide sizes. There are also some meshier minimalist models out there that I haven't tried yet.

[@markmoreno7295]

I totally agree. As both my father and grandfather were cobblers, shoe lasts are not what they should be. I like spd shoes but I insist on walking in them. Most are too stiff. I have an old pair of specialized which are OK but weigh more than 600 grams. I have been looking at Giro Ventana, as well as Pearl Izumi Summit. I like a rubber sole such as Vibram. I have narrow feet at the heel and arch, but not across the box. In Japan I found a pair of Crocs which had canvas uppers but Croc soles. Each shoe weighs 211 grams, but since I bought them in a country where small feet prevail, I can only wear them with the thinest of socks.

[@scottjohnson1560]

Altra Lone Peak 4. I started riding a year and a half ago and was really confused on what shoe to buy. In the meantime while I was trying to pick out a shoe I just used my worn out pair of long peak 4’s. After nearly 4000 miles of trail, and gravel including the Midsouth 100 mud I am still wearing them and I cannot tell that they’re any worse for wears. They are lite, fit my feet really well, dry out fast and the soles have held up well against the monstrous pins in my OneUp peddles.

[@rap122462]

Many shoes come in wide versions, have you tried those.? Shimano makes a spd sandal and they fit kind of wide. However, keep in mind that cycling shoes are purposely made to hold the foot very snug. Under more spirited efforts the foot will tend to slide around and that is very bad.

[@andrewturner943]

I never liked cycling in crocs in the summer due to the how slippery they get once your feet start sweating. However, I'm giving them another shot for fall/winter riding with boiled wool socks. I gotta cross a lot of creek beds on my rides and crocs are super quick to dry and the wool should keep my feet warm even when wet. Now if only crocs had Vibram bottoms...

[@bricondrey]

I use a an older pair of Crocs Swiftwater mesh. Has a firmer sole than standard crocs and a hard rubber toe. It’s a rugged water shoe. It’s the last shoe I used for daily rides before going clipless but still my camp and alt touring shoe. Could be the one. I have the same issues with that wasp-waist shoe shape.The Giro Carbide R II has been one of the few I’ve been able to find in my size (48) that doesn’t pinch and that lets my foot breathe. Three straps, lots of mesh, MTB sole.

[@jonsteinhauser1573]

Have you ridden the Lens with the catalyst pedals ?

[@alanburdette]

I owned a pair of Bont mountain bike shoes. I found them very “foot-shaped”. Super comfortable for me but not very durable.

[@billincolumbia]

I have Bont skates, and they are definitely foot shaped. They are so much shorter than regular shoes, because they don't have the wasted material. They were also heat moldable to adjust for width.

[@christocr]

I've had Bont skates. But I've only seen Bont cycling shoes that are clip-in/cleated. No flat pedal shoes.

[@michaelpayne8337]

Sounds like Crocs are it. The Adidas mentioned in comments are good if your feet are amenable to Adidas shoe lasts. I think Teva Links were awesome. Not as sticky as 5/10’s, but purpose built, could be worn day in and day out for long days on your feet at work, and ridden on trails after work. They were impossible to destroy, and are sadly no longer made. That being said, I think there are really two categories for cycling shoes. One is clipless pedal shoes, and these cannot be thought of as shoes. They are not meant to be walked in, and if you have ever ridden a pair of clipless shoes that were too big you would understand why they make them in the shape they do and fit the way that they do. They are designed, especially road clipless shoes, for racing. Definitely not designed for comfort. The second category would be everything else. If you’re riding flat pedals, whatever you’re most comfortable shoe is is generally going to be a shoe you can ride with your bike. Personally, I think that shoe should have a bit of stiffness in the midsole to combat pedal break-over flex, and a sole that can resist being torn up by pedal teeth. Solving those two factor will make any shoe heavier than a Croc. Also, a tread that is trail worthy, and an all day level of foot comfort.

[@phillipcowan1444]

Been running 5-10 impacts on pinned flats for 2 or 3 years now. Even though they are a downhill shoe they make a good allrounder. Your right they are a trifle heavy though. I wish someone would make a higher quality version of the old Avocet touring shoe from the 80's. Concept was great. Flat bottom, walkable, decently stiff and 3 female grooves mid sole to grab the back rail of a touring pedal. Unfortunatly the quality was on par with WallyWorld bubble gum tennis shoes.

[@goldcoastjon]

Have you tried riding in lowcut Keen street shoes or Teva sport sandals? I would think they would meet your needs well for gravel riding... (I wear both all of the time around town using toe clips and straps.)

[@TZuki21]

Hey Russ, I know that this video is a bit old but have you tried leatt 1.0 flat shoe? They are fairly light, comfy for most off bike activities, comfy to walk in, zero drop and with flat pedal grip almost comparable to the freeriders. And yes, they are shaped like a foot :)

[@timtuckett723]

I am currently wearing the Five Ten crosstrail LT and I think it is getting closer to that running shoe MTB shoe cross. I have never put it on a scale but they feel great, superbly comfortable! Does not have the "foot shape" but they have been great so far.

[@1hz901]

I startet to use barefoot-shoes from solerunner along with corresponding pedales like the pedals from Ergon. This is very comfortable, light weight and the sole does not suck energy.

[@rintoule]

Let me recall, you want: Flat shoe; Grippy sole; Wide toe box; Not too heavy; and Mesh top for coolness; and Flexible but with a bit of structure in the sole. I like that as well and found it in the Specialized 2FO flat pedal shoe.

[@rintoule]

Well Ross have you looked at the Specialized 2FO flat pedal shoes yet?

[@leehyatt76]

vans are pretty good. like the mid height ones. light-ish, flat, stiff enough, affordable, possible to adapt to casual work attire

[@pushiepedlar2942]

Chrome used to make a shoe called the Mirko. Absolutely the best shoe I've ever used I wore them every day for 3 years (perhaps that is why they were discontinued... once you bought a pair you rarely needed another). I moved to the truk once the Mirko was discontinued thinking that would be similar. I was extremely disappointed. The Mirko was light, had the zero drop and a good footshape. My foot did exactly what you described in the truk (overflowing the edges) but still a good amount of stiffness in the sole to be so floppy. I've been using Vans and Converse since and they are ok. Not as durable as the Chromes and not as stiff but they tick most of the other boxes. Weight is good, breathable and a sensible shape. I still search for something as good as the Mirko though they were just perfect.

[@gauguin66]

Great video I have been on the same quest as my toes spread out a lot and I used to get numb toes all the time. I am using Altra Timp 1.5 when on flat pedals: zero drop, big toe box and quite stiff soles plus the sole stands up well to pedal pins. Last year I rode PBP in them. - For clipless I recommend Lake shoes. They have different lasts, i.e. shoe "molds" - you want their "Competition" last e.g. CX1 CARBON as it has a big toe box and not too tight in the middle or heel. Just my 2 c.

[@benboo6351]

So I've just toured 1000km in Puma suede trainers. These are also my commuting shoes. They are super comfortable, sturdy, cheap, and ubiquitous. I wear them for my desk job first before moving them on to riding use. On MKS RMX pedals they don't slip; Race Face Ride pedals are another good pairing. 5-10s are great for steel pin flats on the mountain bike.

[@AdamJReinhadt]

Have you looked at light weight climbing approach shoes? The approach shoes generally have same type of high grip rubber you find on the 5.10's. There are likely other options to consider, but Evolv has the Cruzer Classic and other options which may be closer to features you are looking for.

[@alexball5907]

Maybe you should look at barefoot running shoes? However, I suspect they won't have the structure you need (not stiff enough). Have you tried extra large platform flat pedals? These might solve the stiffness problem by spreading the pressure across a much wider area.

[@SmuggiNOLA]

Over a decade ago, specialized had these shoes called sonomas. I lived off my bike, easily 30+ miles a day going to school and working on kitchens. Those were often the only shoes I wore. Rubber was flexible enough to walk in, but hard enough it took over two years to wear down to the cleat. Tried to pick up another pair, but they seemed to be discontinued. I went with specialized tahoes, but the rubber was much softer and barely got 6 months of regular wear out of the. Since then, I haven't found a good cleated shoe that I really like. Been using mtb flat style since.

[@rustyshackleford9498]

Can't believe I forgot that Merrell makes (made?) Commuter cycling shoes. I actually have a pair of the roust ones. A quick search on Amazon revealed a few variations still available.

[@johnp9650]

Have you tried the LiteRide clog by Crocs? (not the LiteRide Croc tennis-shoe) I recently got a pair for recovery from a foot issue and will be riding in them as I transition back into riding. They have the Crocs-classic wide toe box. They have more mesh vent. They're open at the ankle & have a heal-strap, like crocs-classics. They're super comfy, & they're closed-toed.