Patri Friedman - Seasteading and Start-Up Governments

[@edmcb2682]

It was nice of Dwayne the Rock Johnson to let this guy borrow his shirt

[@kfactor09]

Pants too

[@I_leave_mean_comments]

BUt I don't wanna be a pirate!

[@flyshacker]

What's most exciting about seasteading is the increased granularity of one's ability to secede from a territorial (or aquatorial?) monopoly (government) and choose a better societal arrangement. This freedom to secede could happen in outer space as well, as orbiting residence structures dock with orbiting societies that are most attractive. Such freedom could apply significant competitive pressure on terrestrial territorial monopolies (earth governments) to change as well. A very optimistic outlook!

[@thefreepublic945]

indeed!!!

[@thefreepublic945]

indeed!!!

[@thefreepublic945]

seasteading will be used to turn international waters into extended national boarders! . . . especially being funded by big business!!!

[@copsuicide]

what would stop a country from just invading and occupying your seastead claim?

[@flyshacker]

@@copsuicide Great question. The answer is whatever defensive infrastructure the seasteaders deploy. So far, they haven't, and that's why I am not living out there! But the other way to look at it is why would anyone bother to invade? What resources are worth spending the money to invade? It almost would be like invading a tent city of homeless people. What would anyone get out of spending their own money to invade a homeless tent city?

[@JoseFernandez-lm1ry]

This is SOOO AWESOME!!!! 😉😎

[@trevorstolz8580]

The book, "The Sovereign Individual - How to Survive and Thrive During the Collapse of the Welfare State" had it's title changed because it was too provocative. It is now called "The Sovereign Individual - Mastering the Transition to the Information Age". It was co-authored by Lord Rees-Mogg and James Davidson. They argue that in the future countries will HAVE NO CHOICE but to treat their citizens like customers. What will break the back of western social welfare countries is the combination of unfunded liabilities (pensions and healthcare for old people) and the fact that the brightest and best leave most easily. Don't tax the sheeple enough and you can't fund your unfunded liabilities. Don't tax in proportion to services rendered and the best and brightest leave. Also, the rich don't use public schools, public health care or even public policing. (The rich have private security services, gated communities, etc.) Thus, it is in the best interests of countries to attract the wealthy. They wealthy will no longer be brow beaten in to "paying their fair share" (much much more, millions of dollars more than anything they receive in terms of security, education, healthcare, etc). Chicago, Detroit and South Central Los Angeles hasn't gotten the message yet. The best and brightest have already left. I saw a youtube video of a retiree who just went on cruises all the time. When "on a break" from a cruise, she's stay with relatives for a short time so as to not wear out her welcome and then go on cruises again. She said with the cost of housing, assisted living - someone cooking and cleaning for you essentially - it was cheaper to just go on cruises all the time. This is very feasible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5XSh42dp9RsfdE

[@copsuicide]

lmao that dipshit jacob rees-mogg wrote a book about this? god what a milky dork.

[@RichardAllen7753]

When was this actually taped?

[@PatriFriedman]

2011

[@MrYdady]

@@PatriFriedman I'm interested in your projects , I would like more details

[@Vndecim]

damn tax-evading Sea Amish. This is what happens when you mix Tolstoy and Iambulus ... I'm in :)

[@destructionalongthelittled2731]

.... and look at the other related links for more of this shit!!!! ... and this one is from 9/11 last year.

[@611gay5]

I agree with this in principle, but it seems to allow a back door for fascists

[@waywardgeologist2520]

Chunk Of coal, how? If a seastead becomes dictatorial, one disconnects ones own seastead and leaves. One can't do that with that current fascist/socialist system in most countries.

[@611gay5]

@@waywardgeologist2520 sounds like the equivalent of a hermit.

[@611gay5]

@@waywardgeologist2520 I think in reality if these did exist it would be a 1% "Utopia"

[@waywardgeologist2520]

if the 1% wants to start one, good for them. They will be able to keep their money instead of it being robbed by the government.

[@611gay5]

@@waywardgeologist2520 hey, that's fine too.. as long as they can't lobby in our government

[@MrYdady]

Why not change the form government all over the world. With the help of actual technology you can have an overall view of social, economic, technical, environmental impact off any given action so you can actually vote on any issue that appears with no effort whatsoever. Replace the politico-administrative system that is in place now with an algorithm seems only logic . We automate in all domain off our life but not so in the most important .

[@atigandokbau5876]

I am the pirate Would u mind

[@611gay5]

Ambiguous age/race/gender man tells of building utopian cities in the open seas

[@artemiasalina1860]

With a comment like that, can't you see why people would want to leave you and never see you again?

[@thefreepublic945]

good talk but he's still talking "business" and business is all about profit!! 😆 more systems of control not freedom

[@Pytterr]

free competition for such "control" sounds better than monopoly! =)

[@thefreepublic945]

competition is what led to the monopoly to begin with. . . it's about co creation not more war to be number one

[@Pytterr]

@@thefreepublic945 There's no free competition where there is regulation. Do you agree?

[@thefreepublic945]

"free competition" and "regulation" are both imbalanced structures that benefit the monopoly of the "elites" and not the co created abundance we should all have access to without paying tyrants.

[@Pytterr]

But free competition allows us to choose between paying a "tyrant" or a small provider of a product or service, while regulation forces us to pay tyrants on and on. Regulation creates and maintains tyrants, where free competition instead may create huge players, but won't keep perpetuate them if they don't provide a good service.

[@JoeHeine]

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