How the NSA betrayed the world's trust -- time to act | Mikko Hypponen

Recent events have highlighted, underlined and bolded the fact that the United States is performing blanket surveillance on any foreigner whose data passes through an American entity -- whether they are suspected of wrongdoing or not. This means that, essentially, every international user of the internet is being watched, says Mikko Hypponen. An important rant, wrapped with a plea: to find alternative solutions to using American companies for the world's information needs.
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[@RobinHoodFox74]

Saying "I don't care about NSA spying on me because I have nothing to hide" is like saying "I don't care about free speech because I have nothing to say"

[@wtfisitpjur]

+NukeCorruption It's also like saying "I don't care if I get a cavity search because I have nothing to hide" and you get cavity searched multiple times a day.

[@mikeseitz1381]

+RobinHoodFox74 Isn't that what the Nazi's said? "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about!"

[@argenizt123]

Those things aren't similar but I mean I'm going to let you look stupid.

[@tensevo]

+RobinHoodFox74 True. If I was secretly spying and carrying out mass surveillance on the public then I would have something to hide. Soon every secret government document will be public and these people can be judged by the public. If they have nothing to hide then they shall have nothing to worry about. If we have learnt anything about terrorists, it is that they have nothing to hide -- They want to get their message out there! Roll on the next Edward Snowden!

[@Elcherino123]

+RobinHoodFox74 This is excellent Robinhood because this is said absolutely every time that someone asks what do you think about Snowden, etc, esp older people. Simple, to the point, and very true. Question is, how do we get these old kooks in the govt to think of it the same way?

[@NathanielHourt]

Does anyone else find it disconcerting that this guy (not a US citizen) is angrier about the US government violating the US Constitution than most US citizens?

[@corpsbum]

I wish more Americans would get a fire lit to get interested, and then excited by our losing rights and privacy in the interest of "security". Any ideas?

[@NathanielHourt]

Well, I try to do my part. I work full time on an open source project which aims to make a cryptocurrency suitable for real-world transactions (i.e. a credit card replacement) but which also has applications ranging from fully encrypted P2P communication, passwordless secure mutual authentication (for web browsing, for instance) and replacing the HTTPS PKI with a solution much less susceptible to tampering from agencies like the NSA. Will it do all those things? I can only hope, but in the meantime, it's a fun way to pay the bills. :) The project, BTW, is the BitShares Toolkit, with the financial implementation being BitSharesX (a decentralized bank and exchange). If you care to learn more about it, bitshares.org is a good place to start.

[@75Prelives]

I love my country but I fear my government.

[@75Prelives]

Jeff Hammons They won't. They've drank the government kool-aid. They all want a free handout instead. Americans like me who can and do think for themselves don't stand a chance. If I say anything, other 'sheeple' just think I'm being too extreme. And if I do it in a high-profile manner the way some have done it, then I become a target... The IRS Scandal is a prime example of this. We've become a nation of entertainers, getting fat off the government milk and cheese. Fat for the slaughter. Fools we've become to trade our freedom for he illusion of "security".

[@NathanielHourt]

But government milk and cheese are pasteurized. Bleh.

[@missmelodies52]

My dad gets so mad at people who leak government information. But I ask, if the government wants to keeps secrets, shouldn't we be given the same freedom?

[@itzenormous]

If no criminal activity, then why all of the secrecy?? Ask him that.

[@undergroundish3135]

Hmmm, that's an interesting thought Miranda. So should we allow the government to have all our info if they reciprocate? Could we trust that each side will be honest and thorough in how much they 'share' with the other. Seems doubtful, as long as deception in favor of self-interest is an unmoving block on which our society stands. As long as we consider lying OK for ANY reason, then it becomes OK for EVERY reason.

[@undergroundish3135]

@PCM Denault I doubt it. You'd not say such things if you knew my dad.

[@1828tolstoy]

If they weren't committing crimes most people would feel compelled to leak it.

[@drspastic]

@stephen miller such are the dangers of getting involved with cults such as religion

[@Coolasion]

"Search engines know more about you than your family members do".. This really made me think.. Very true in a sense....

[@jasonbowman7190]

That's why I always start by saying ya I have this friend and use his name 😂

[@JeSsSe66]

The problem is not the fact that it disgraces our privacy as a whole (which mind you is one of the most basic human rights to ever exist) it is also the fact that nobody anywhere on the face of this planet should be granted the ability to have such great power at such great convenience. Not only because it will be abused & will always be abused, but because of the fact that it is abused.

[@tensevo]

+JessLe Berry No body has really granted this permission. The internet was built by enthusiasts as a way to openly share between computers so it was never built on security. That came later. The only way to be secure online is to never use your true identity and unplug but this I admit is getting ever harder. Soon every secret government document will be public because as I stated above the internet was built upon freedom of information between computers. All encryption will be broken sooner or later and these people can be judged by the public. If they have nothing to hide then they shall have nothing to worry about. If we have learnt anything about terrorists, it is that they have nothing to hide -- They want to get their message out there!

[@fitforsoccer000]

Edward S. should be considered a protector of our freedom in the US -- but he's portrayed as the enemy by the US gov. Thanks for this great video.

[@avok23]

Nobel price

[@wrongtimeweeder1076]

Snowden, like Assange, will always be heroes to the people, but enemies of the state.

[@donpaquette7895]

@@wrongtimeweeder1076 maybe Snowden is working for the CiA, and just a smoke screen of disinformation, most people already know much of that stuff.

[@makliberty9792]

qanon.pub, inform ur self! Assange is a Journalist, Snowden is C_A asset!

[@carolkingsafer7456]

Snowden is a CIA plant in the NSA as a MEANS to DESTROY THE NSA SO THE CIA CAN RULE OVER IT ALL 🤬

[@thedefector7386]

The NSA is like the Gestapo of internet.

[@alphanflking31]

Gestapo Period!

[@1828tolstoy]

You mean of the world.

[@lindabergman3127]

Yep 👍

[@himphamppu4767]

Not really. In what sense?

[@CakesandMuffins]

"Search engines know more about you then your family members know about you" -mindblown- This is SO true.

[@winterblue383]

Google

[@NewFriiiikan]

The search engine theory is right on the money, I cant believe how much you can learn about another human by simple scrolling through his search history. My God, were we fools to allow this to happen...

[@BrennanYoung]

+TheBrownViper It's very different, because you can't discover how people treat others at the click of a button.

[@NewFriiiikan]

I dont think that has anything to do with this video.

[@tashaihunter7760]

This man is my greatest hero. Thank-you so much for taking the time Mr. Hypponen.

[@Joefest99]

Bravest TED Talk I've heard. I fear for this man's life!

[@katimariaanakivimaki6783]

8 years has past by- now we have kind a new problems and Finland "is asked"to join NATO member..and Hyppönen is alive..maybe our fears are sometime true and sometimes not so true? Greetings from Finland 😊🙏❣

[@MyKudos78]

People like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning are today's true heroes. Hyppönen paints a bleak picture of internet surveillance and I'm afraid he has it right.

[@winterblue383]

Look into Philip Haney

[@ronneyrendon5045]

Ball torture? That’s hot. Tell me more.

[@satishgoda]

A very candid speech. Very delighted to hear the mention of Open Source towards the end of the talk.

[@andrewpaul2817]

Given the circumstances Ed couldn't have confided in any organization affiliated with the United States government. Mr. Snowden's trial would've been cloaked in secrecy, shortly before meeting his demise. It was very wise for him to go to Tokyo to release the documents, there was no alternative to his actions.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Hong Kong

[@BoryanaMilenova]

Great speech! Exactly at the target. It is a burden for every intelligent person to know this and still be forced to use the internet under these conditions. Unfortunately, I don't see how any government would give up from its surveillance means.

[@HELREAK]

Thank you for explaining why privacy matters!

[@098anne]

Brilliant speaker with an important message! I, too, would like to hear him speak on privacy as a stand alone subject. For me, it is vital to humanity, democracy, and most importantly, truth. We are all honest and dishonest to various degrees with different people, situations etc. I'm not, for example, keen on giving my medical history in its entirety to my coworkers or strangers. It is my right to compartmentalize as I see fit. Without privacy, curiosity, creativity, honesty, growth..all suffer and we are all diminished.

[@DavidAndrewsPEC]

Thank you, Mikko Hypp_ö_nen!

[@atheos7965]

I had the pleasure of listening to Hypponen live, during Dustin Expo 2019. Amazing man, and amazing speech.

[@Larzsolice]

Everyone should see this video, in the last few minutes he suggests a path that will lead us to a brilliant and free future!

[@coppernickels]

This guy is absolutely brilliant & an excellence speaker

[@RaeesUnboxingwala]

He addressed the problem and also gave the solution, that was really cool 👍🏻

[@ingrid3291]

Not sure more government is the solution..

[@infiltr80r]

Use services like Jottacloud instead of Dropbox, SkyDrive or Google Drive. They're based in Norway, a country without a Patriot Act and good privacy laws. Always encrypt your stuff with TrueCrypt or another open source alternative. All US based companies are now sharing your private data freely with the NSA.

[@somberlight]

All clouds are borked by design. If the files are not in your own system, they're at risk. Keep in mind, that even norway will bend over when big enough power knocks.

[@chandansharma1324]

very nice video im glad you guys put all this effort into the video to make it a masterpiece!

[@8888stealth]

(Walks into the NSA building see 1,000,000 million super computers with one computer screen in the center.) "Ready to play a game?"

[@angelic8632002]

Fantastic speech, bravo!

[@goodgirlgg6]

As an American I'd like to say we also do not agree with what our government is doing. Many of us are very angry about the invasion of your privacy as well as ours. The NSA should be shutdown! I am very thankful to Edward Snowden for speaking out about this.

[@InkubusGames]

About "I got nothing to hide" - whoever think this is OK is wrong, very wrong. I work from Serbia for one Swedish company on internal tools as a programmer. Boss wanted to know how efficient his sales personnel is so he tasked me to make some sort of reports yet each report would base it's resources ONLY on regular input data they leave in system. No mail tracking, no IM tracking - nothing. Turns out, with the data they leave in the system (which company they called, how many times, how many calls, meetings scheduled, made, being logged into a system) I was able to reconstruct several dynamic report types. One report is not enough but when we look upon several reports for one individual. Even making really good estimation what they are doing when they do not leave the data into a system (going to pick up a kid, have a smoke/coffee/breakfast, distinct general idling from being incompetent to work...) One of them noticed that boss always knows how they are performing and pressed the boss that we give him rights to see those reports. So he had meeting with me and after I explained to him purpose of each report he said only this *"You who are thousands kilometres away know how I work here!"*. Yes, that was truth, but he wasn't pleased yet he understood I made that since boss told me to do so. Remember, no mail tracking, no IM spying or phone tapping. And that is only trough one program that did nothing especially spy-like or being spyware except one thing - when they are using system (for example I needed to distinct when they leave system running while being away from PC and browsing data in the system). This guy pressed boss to refrain himself from using these reports and instead think other ways to track efficiency of his sales personnel. And we did that! He changed the way he is paying them and payment was based on the signed contracts they bring in company. Now, we don't care about original reports, we don't care when they take smoke/coffee/breakfast or go to pick up kid or simply slack - we care only about final efficiency - money they bring in company. Which I think it is more correct. Even though they never put in system "I will have breakfast" I knew this info and that is not right. So refrain yourself from "I got nothing to hide" and do know there is always another way. We leave data on the net daily (AND WILLINGLY!) and every data can be reconstructed to give image of particular person what's that person doing. If they want to fight for terrorism, they don't need to put noses in our daily lives with whom we cheat our spouse and what kind of furniture we prefer.

[@Bogolyubovos]

InkOnTube thanks.. I was in sales all my life and the old way is best . Meetings and finally results ( good or bad ) are all that matter to astute managers . All this infernal nosiness is terrible!!

[@freshnuts864]

Thanks for the talk

[@McMurchie]

And not even so much as an apology from Obama or the States. The EU and the rest of the world should make a trade embargo to make them realise they need us more than they think.

[@McMurchie]

Ian Case .... uh that totally confused me

[@ronnieDaking]

Adam -亚当- But EU does the same thing

[@UndisclosedTalent]

Adam -亚当- UK surveillance laws are even worse... they are the worst in the world

[@sauntersway3980]

6 years after this video, wow blown away at the signs if the times!

[@a9nh]

This is a talk made of GOLD! This guy has woke me up.

[@Starrrwarrrs6rbluey]

So you mean me yelling at the top of my lungs because my privacy have been invaded. Didnt open your eye?

[@wtchtower]

Nice talk, thanks for sharing

[@Jozie88]

Ahhh Mikko Hyppönen in TED talks! You make us proud. Another Wise mind from Finland he is.

[@Leon2101]

Truly a wonderful and intelligent speech by Mr. Hypponen. Watching this as a Pakistani citizen and agreeing completely. Let us all start the wave. PS: NSA, I'm not a terrorist.

[@robertschneider4014]

This is very good. Thank you!

[@MrJWFJWF]

Stop the video at 5:25 The perfect place to get your nicknames.

[@eca3101]

I love how he's using power point... But seriously, I completely agree with this guy

[@Majnun74]

This needs to be seen.

[@TheDavidMetcalfe]

As ever, a great presentation by Mikko Hypponen. I miss his talks from F-Secure.

[@bearlincs]

A good talk, angry, but also informed and thoughtful; how, in using and becoming dependent on US computer technology, we have become surveyed en masse and thus their colonial subjects.

[@hasdrubalsosamarquez5430]

I hate when I'm finally getting knowledgeable about a subject and realize I'm years late 😤😭😨

[@boredmad8484]

It's alright bro. Ur family is safe henceforth

[@Bigmangocrazy]

Watched this for class - Loved it

[@wittayamanaja4810]

u got great aim, keep it up man.

[@ChrisWMF]

Having a surveillance agency like that is a magnet for controversy. I dont have anything to hide. But i still think its a bad idea.

[@mckennacisler01]

This is an interesting perspective on American surveillance. I think foreign countries are correct in their attempts to separate from the U.S. surveillance state, and I hope that in doing so they will persuade Americans to take a better look at why they continue to live under it. I also think he hit the solution right on with open source, and I hope an international open source movement will also bring American citizens along with it in a pursuit of a better Internet.

[@badoocee1967]

A Great informative lecture.

[@elecrom]

Perfect !!!! It is not just about personal matters. You need to understand it encompasses all aspects of our lives including our finances, insurences, properties, licenses, etc., etc. If one agency can access all this information from the "suppose to be" secure communication, AND, if one person in such organization splits off and shares their secret with the world, Would it not be possible, today or tomorrow, someone will share the know-how of spying with terrorists and it will backfire on our entire world ?

[@tsjoencinema]

I love this guy.

[@vthilton]

Sharing, Justice and Peace for all will help Save Our Planet.

[@samspruce9308]

One of many very important talks. Definitely worth watching.

[@M.Djurhuus]

Very informativ, food for thought.

[@HeinrichChristiansen]

Any secrets anyone??? - If so Keep it offline! - Use nothing digital to keep your secrets.

[@NavinSinghreeboot]

Epic vid bro lovin this game!

[@DavidGalich77]

It is like who to trust. I just am thankful that my country allows me to know that yes I am monitored and I should be aware of that.

[@martinfranklin8282]

Love the speech

[@GustavoPineda]

He made a lot of good and arguable points. I also believe this guy will not be allowed in the USA for the rest of his life. Though I did like what he said about them

[@salasvalor01]

15:05 ... I find it absolutely hysterical that he publicly reveals someone's identity while uttering the words: "... because that's what it's about: privacy. Privacy is not negotiable."

[@spoonikle]

tweets are public. 1000% public. you tweet, you are telling the whole world somthing.

[@lohphat]

Any coincidence that Condoleezza Rice is now on the Board of Directors for DropBox? I think not. DropBox account closed and deleted.

[@glockman1727ak47]

Solid gold talk. We should be angry. It is wrong and it is rude. damn the NSA

[@revealing1372]

It is the replacement of evidence with suspicion that weaponizes collection, a great concern.

[@MrStarGi]

I have heard the analogy... if you knew in the past that a government agency infiltrated the post office and made a xerox (photo) copy of every piece of mail passed through there, the public would be in out cry.

[@MrStarGi]

NSA is potentially worldwide.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@MrStarGi It IS worldwide.

[@howardwhite1507]

he totally skipped over the fact that these commercial entities that the NSA is mining for information are the architects of the data collecting, and they are less scrupulous about how that data is used than the NSA is...

[@SiddharthMusic-uj8ox]

Enlightening speech. It's time to act.

[@saadasim]

Create a large file with random info and seed it with some key words and mail it to many people/organizations. Since there is no way to un-encrypt a random file, the NSA's computer would get tied up on useless work.

[@user-he4cj8ti1o]

толковый мужик! даёшь топ опен сорс программы в массы!

[@rickwhite4137]

Everybody should thank Edward Snowden for his courage and enormous sacrifice. 💖 🏅🏅🏅

[@drAshutosh138]

Boy!! I liked n commented on this video ...guess i'll b watched from now on :P

[@Starrrwarrrs6rbluey]

You dont have to be on the internet for them to surveile you. Truth.

[@blakecarter374]

So sad he said this back then and now the people don't hold them accountable

[@ReadySetGoPictures]

Anyone know where I can access the slides from the NSA that Mikko used? Or is that Illegal?

[@MA-jx6in]

Love how Edward Snowden...came out..we owe him alot for what he did

[@MrCintia589]

Very good!

[@dhvzi9l448]

I guess the agent tasked with spying on me has died of boredom by now.

[@Pico_Farad]

This should have many more thumbs-ups...

[@spetro3387]

I can't believe this guy! His best argument is his privacy?! I dare this guy to go to the family members of someone who was involved in a terrorist attack and tell them that his privacy is more important than the possibility of saving lives! I would give up my privacy any day of the week if it could have given a fraction of chance of saving the life of a victim to a terrorist attack. You need to think longer, not me!

[@tsjoencinema]

Please go and live in North Korea, why won't you? Core democratic values are definitely not your "thang".

[@JohnBastardSnow]

You're been brainwashed very nicely. Terrorism is not a threat at all, but if you watch news, you get a sense that terrorism is a threat that should be prioritized. People die all the time from other stuff and if the intention is to save lives (which it's not) then a government doesn't have to fight terrorism at all, because you can save INCOMPARABLY more lives by spending that funding on other issues. The government want a control over its citizens that's why it wastes so much resources on surveillance. The intention is not to protect its citizens, but to control them.

[@JohnBastardSnow]

Jon Snow That's how to run a government 101. Put a common enemy that you need to fight. It can be a Soviet Union, then it can be terrorism. At all times, there should be a common enemy to justify all those resources spent on things that otherwise could be spent on really helping people and moving a society more democratic. A Government is a business that offers a monopoly on violence. If there's no enemy to fight, there is no business. So issues has to be invented artificially (if they do not exist) to then later be solved. That's how you maintain power. It's really the basics. There are many other things you need to do.

[@spetro3387]

Jon Snow You, sir, are brainwashed, not me. I know almost nothing about the subject, but after watching the video I feel like a few people have ruined an amazing system for investigation. Again, everyone that dislikes what I have to say is so in love with their own ego it's not even funny. I was outraged by what this guy had to say, but after a quick search of his name, it is no surprise he says what he says given he is a "computer security expert and columnist". I'm not brainwashed, I just have nothing to hide and never will, as long as my privacy is used for the good of others that is.

[@Gungelis]

Sam Petrocelli Ok, so lets say your protesting the government for an unaffiliate issue and they don't lie that. They decide to look up all the old survailance of you and find a bunch of embarassing personal stuff from your younger years. They say "shut up and stop protesting, or we'll release such information anonymously." There are sooo many things the gov has no business knowing about that arent illegal, and mass survailance is against our constitituion. What if they are spying on news agencies to prevent them from getting sources that would leak government secrets? They could effectively prevent people from exposing corruption and maintain their oppresion unopposed because people are in the dark.

[@RawLu.]

TY Mikko ;-)

[@jerrydick5664]

I'm thinking what he is saying is this opens everyone up to being vulnerable to actions merely because we may have rubbed someone wrong , or a scale goat is needed etc.

[@DaanWaardenburg]

And so it shall be!

[@Hsereal]

I'm from the States, and I'm goddamn angry that my tax money is being used for this bullshit.

[@scotty]

Always someone out there bent on f*ing things up.

[@chadmcaffee902]

He made some very good points. Because we have watched it and commented on it now Google and therefore the government knows that we disagree and disapprove. It seems that the surveillance state is already here and there is little we can do about it.

[@gonzodoty7056]

From the posts I've read and the TED itself a lot of people awe misunderstanding what the problem is. It's assuredly not 96%, it's definitely 100%. My American (Federal) government does not give two shits about the law or the constitution. The sad thing is is that those who've watched this, be it foreign or (especially) American, have gone on a list. A list deemed subversive...

[@Ben_D.]

Thank you. I dont think honestly there is much to do about it though. Even if you make a local Internet in every country and a local Microsoft and a local Skype and so on, in every single country, the NSA and its brethren will have hacked it before it even leaves Alpha level programming. Its all they do, all day and all night. If we invent mental telepathy for private conversations, the NSA will employ telepaths that intercept your thoughts. I dont see a win anywhere. But for the record, I totally agree with you that it is wrong wrong wrong.

[@RalphDratman]

Each of your specific points is correct, but your conclusion (of ultimate hopelessness) is wrong. When wrong actions are being performed systematically, the world slowly adapts, and improves itself, and eventually overwhelms the corrupt system. It may take a long time. The Soviet Union violated individual rights systematically from 1917 through 1989. But then eventually it fell. The abuses in England of the workhouse, of lethal hard labor, of draconian laws affecting the poor, of debtors' prison --- all these odious practices ended. The same will eventually happen with the U.S. surveillance state. It will not last a thousand years. Even though we as individuals have no way to end a lot of injustices, nevertheless they will eventually be ended.

[@jarekwiatr3432]

many thx,

[@richmoore942]

S=Secret M=Militarized A=Armorment of R=Residential T=Technology

[@swushey]

If privacy is taken away you can not protest or dissent without retribution from the government. There are no more anonymous masses. When the government knows you, they can take away your freedom.

[@Nitrotix1]

These videos are great, but we need to take action. Send this video to your local politicians, talk about these issues with friends and family, post it on social media. Take appropriate precautions: use a secure browser, a VPN, airplane mode, proxies, local harddrives etc...

[@the1124816]

gotta blast!!!

[@YvetteE0000]

U.S. Constitution › Tenth Amendment TENTH AMENDMENT AMENDMENT X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

[@laseism]

That awkward moment when you realize the US government now has data of you watching this video.

[@lamprospan]

why is the 11:11 effect taking place in this video? really weird ... 4:10 video time

[@MarkNovbett]

I have a few questions I would like you to consider while examining this: -How about posting your entire web history and the contents of your hard drive. Would you want to post it all for your employer or a government official to see? -How many things are there in your life which you would not like to share with others? They gained access to: - Microsoft on November, 2007. Windows XP Sp 3 was released on April 21, 2008. Windows 7 was released on July 22, 2009. Anyone using these operating systems after November 2007 should know now that whatever they have ever done on their own computer in the last 5 years is known to NSA. -Yahoo on March, 2008. -Google on January, 2009. Anything you have ever typed in google and clicked on with your own mouse is now known to NSA since then. What about other google products? How many products do google have that you use? Android perhaps? Google +? Gmail? Hangout? -Facebook on June, 2009. Facebook mobile? Facebook chat? -KZbin on September 2010. Watched anything on youtube in the last 3 years? -Skype on February of 2011. Have you ever used Skype? Typed anything in it in the last 2 years? Made a video call in the last 2 years? -Apple on Oct, 2012. Steve Jobs died on Oct 5th, 2012. Do you use iTunes? Do you use a Macbook? iPhone perhaps? Questions to ask ourselves here at the end of watching: What will stop or change this? What can we do? What can "I" do and how much or if any "change" I have to face to do so?

[@dhh488]

Surveillance is just the beginning.

[@droidbrain9093]

really nice done dude good stuf so go further then where your now.

[@pinegulf]

There is no such thing as innocene. Only varying degrees of guilt.

[@danielash20]

And think of the two story below as well in background.

[@bruceree8096]

But the evidence is it front of your eyes. For example the collect history checkbox is unticked on my youtube settings but it still collects history. This can also be seen in your browser with the disable javascript function. You cant blame them, it's our responsibility to check. most of us are grown adults

[@RockCrushing777]

The man is right !

[@jetsethi]

It is damning that we stand idly by doing nothing about it. It can be convenient to just let it happen because it does not affect our day to day lives. But when does that end? More importantly, is it the Federal Gov't? Or is it people within? Ever been part of a group that doesn't agree? You'll find that someone is doing something they shouldn't and others won't act because they cannot decide on what to do, when to act, or how to stop it. Criminals thrive on this uncertainty.